Drawn to Darkness
Do your friends think you're weird because you rattle off facts about serials killers and watch horror movies to relax? We're here for you! Drawn to Darkness is a biweekly podcast where two best friends take turns discussing our favorite horror and true crime. Our cover art is by Nancy Azano. You can find her work on instagram @nancyazano.Our intro and outro music is by Harry Kidd. Check him out on instagram @HarryJKidd.
John Carpenter's Halloween (1978)
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In this Halloween episode of Drawn to Darkness, we're going back to where it all began with John Carpenter's iconic 1978 slasher Halloween. And we've brought along a special guest, Steve from Horror Makes Us Happy, to help us decide whether Michael Myers is still terrifying nearly 50 years later.
We discuss the birth of the modern slasher, Laurie Strode as the ultimate Final Girl, the rules of surviving a horror movie, and whether Michael Myers is more frightening with or without a motive. We also unpack the Boogeyman as a figure of...
Incidents Around the House by Josh Malerman
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In this episode of Drawn to Darkness, we dive into Josh Malermanâs shiver-inducing 2024 horror novel Incidents Around the House, a deeply unsettling story about a relentless entity known as âOther Mommyâ who asks again and again âCan I go into your heart?â In this episode, we unpack the child narrator, Bella and the effectiveness of horror seen through a childâs limited perspective, parental guilt, bad parenting decisions, the traumatising consequences of family secrets, infidelity, exorcisms, what exactly Other Mommy is, and how this book somehow manages to pull off an actual jump scare. <...
The Lady of the Dunes: Hunting a Cape Cod Serial Killer
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This week, we discuss Oxygenâs The Lady of the Dunes: Hunting a Cape Cod Serial Killer. For almost 50 years, the woman found brutally murdered in the dunes outside Provincetown in 1974 was known only as the Lady of the Dunes. Three generations of investigators became obsessed with giving her back her name, surviving lost evidence, institutional resistance, red herring suspects. Eventually, forensic genetic genealogy did what decades of traditional investigation could not: identified her as Ruth Marie Terry. And once Ruth had her name back, the mystery of who killed her became considerably le...
Widow's Bay with guest Liz Sower from Ghosts in the Burbs
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In this episode of Drawn to Darkness, we head to the foggy shores of Widowâs Bay with very special guest Liz Sower of Ghosts in the Burbs. This Emmy-winning Apple series follows widowed mayor Tom Loftus, who is determined to transform his economically struggling New England island into the next Marthaâs Vineyard. Unfortunately, local fisherman Wick insists the island is cursed, Tomâs teenage son Evan is sassing him, and the town appears to be cursed as increasingly bizarre supernatural events suggest that Wick may be right.
We discuss why Wi...
Dr. Death with Joshua Jackson
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This week, we swap fictional scientists playing God for a very real doctor doing harm as we dive into Dr. Death, the TV series based on the Wondery podcast about Christopher Duntsch, a Dallas neurosurgeon who, over roughly two years, operated on 38 people, maimed 33 and killed two. And no one stopped him.
Joshua Jackson trades Pacey Witter's charm for terrifying narcissism as Duntsch, who was charismatic but catastrophically bad at surgery. Â But the question hanging over the entire series is even more disturbing: was he unbelievably incompetent, o...
Renny Harlin's Deep Blue Sea
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In this episode of Drawn to Darkness, we dive into Renny Harlinâs gloriously ridiculous, surprisingly good 1999 shark thriller, Deep Blue Sea. We talk genetically modified super-smart sharks, questionable science, the ethics of experimenting on animals, the filmâs connections to Jaws and Jurassic Park and whether the sharks are actually the villains, or prisoners staging an elaborate escape from âAlcatraz for sharksâ. Expect discussion of Samuel L. Jacksonâs legendary mid-speech demise, Stellan SkarsgĂ„rdâs extraordinarily no good very bad day, Thomas Janeâs unexplained shark-wrangling skills, whether Saffron Burrows deserved her fate, and M...
Radio Rental with Terry Carnation
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In this episode, we enter the unsettling world of Radio Rental, the horror anthology podcast that presents supposedly true encounters through the fictional setting of a video rental store. Presiding over the tapes is Terry Carnation, played by Rainn Wilson who breaks up stories of serial killers, possible stalkers, doppelgĂ€ngers, disturbing childhood memories and glitches in reality with comments on rewinding tapes, Jane Fonda workouts and Hot Sauce for Tots. We cover Volume One, episodes one through seven, examining why stories such as â404 Not Foundâ, âLaura of the Woodsâ and âThe Babysitterâ linger long a...
Scott Derrickson's The Black Phone
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In this episode of Drawn to Darkness, we continue our accidental-but-now-definitely-intentional basement series with Scott Derricksonâs 2021 supernatural horror-thriller The Black Phone, based on the Joe Hill short story. We unpack the filmâs very Stephen âKingianâ mix of coming-of-age trauma, small-town fear, ghostly intervention, and very bad decisions approaching weirdos in windowless vans. We discuss Finney and Gwenâs bond, the horror already inside their home, the 1970s stranger-danger atmosphere, Ethan Hawkeâs deeply unsettling performance as The Grabber, and why the film works so well by leaving some of its worst horrors impl...
David Fincher's Mindhunter
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In this episode of Drawn to Darkness, we examine David Fincherâs tragically incomplete Netflix series Mindhunter. Set in the late 1970s, the show follows FBI agents Holden Ford and Bill Tench, along with Dr Wendy Carr, as they begin interviewing imprisoned serial offenders in an attempt to understand patterns of behaviour, develop the science of criminal profiling, and prevent future violence. We discuss why Mindhunter remains one of the most frustrating cancellations in television history, how the show turns conversations into scenes of dread, and why its slow-burn tension is more unsettling th...
Jonathan Demme's Silence of the Lambs
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In this episode of Drawn to Darkness, we dive into Jonathan Demmeâs classic and deeply unsettling 1991 psychological horror-thriller, Silence of the Lambs. Â We unpack the filmâs use of dread over jump scares, the power of what is left unseen, the terrifying precision of Anthony Hopkinsâ performance, Jodie Fosterâs Clarice navigating the male gaze in a manâs world, and why Catherine Martin deserves more credit for being a total badass. We also discuss the book, the filmâs real-life serial killer inspirations, the horror of charming and sophisticated monsters, the questionable...
The Cask of Amontillado by Edgar Allen Poe
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In this episode, we celebrate one year of Drawn to Darkness by raising a glass to Edgar Allan Poeâs revenge-soaked classic, "The Cask of Amontillado", a story about wounded pride, wine snobbery, and one extremely committed masonry project. Expect talk of Poeâs tragic life, literary feuds, mysterious deaths, buried-alive panic, Freemasons, creepy crypts, and why you should never follow a frenemy to a second location. We also discuss the unsettling question the story refuses to answer: what exactly did Fortunato do? Was this revenge for a real wrong, a thousand tiny slig...
Devil in the White City by Erik Larson
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Devil in the White City by Erik Larson
In this episode of Drawn to Darkness, we dive into Erik Larsonâs The Devil in the White City, a packed, fact-filled account of the 1893 Chicago Worldâs Fair and the terrifying crimes of H. H. Holmes. Along the way, we unpack Daniel Burnhamâs impossible project management nightmare, Frederick Law Olmstedâs dramatic hatred of flowerbeds, power boats, and mediocre gravel paths, the invention of the Ferris wheel, the rise of Kodak snapshots, Juicy Fruit, Cracker Jack, the dishwasher, spray paint, z...
Steven Spielberg's Jurassic Park
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In this episode of Drawn to Darkness, we ask the important questions: Is Jurassic Park actually horror? And would not having a favourite dinosaur be a dealbreaker?
We dive into Steven Spielbergâs iconic dinosaur summer blockbuster, from trembling cups of water and bloody goat legs to whatever chaos theory is, Chekovâs electric fences, and Jeff Goldblumâs unbuttoned shirt. Along the way, we unpack the filmâs blend of adventure, horror, and sci-fi, discuss whether the dinosaurs were scientifically accurate (spoiler alert: no), and debate the ethics of cloning extinct...
Martin Scorsese's Goodfellas
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In this episode of Drawn to Darkness, we dive into Martin Scorseseâs Goodfellas, the âglorious,â âclassicâ mob epic that somehow feels both iconic and unsettling.
From razor-blade-sliced garlic in prison to cocaine-fuelled paranoia and helicopter chases, we unpack the rise and fall of Henry Hill, a kid who always wanted to be a gangster, and ended up a broke, bored âschnuckâ in witness protection. We explore the filmâs unforgettable characters (Jimmy the Gent, Tommy the loose cannon, and Karen, our MVP), iconic scenes (Funny how?), and the uneasy tension between glamour...
Ryan Coogler's Sinners with guest Makeda Pennycooke
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In this episode of Drawn to Darkness, we dive into Ryan Cooglerâs Sinners, a genre-bending vampire period drama set in 1930s Jim Crow Mississippi. Joined by special guest Makeda Pennycooke, life and anti-racism coach, we unpack a film that is as gorgeous as it is unsettling, layering horror, history, and music. We break down vampire lore, our favorite characters, standout performances (Michael B. Jordan playing twins), the transcendent musical moments, and the symbolism woven throughout, from religion and ancestral knowledge to systems of white supremacy, power, and assimilation.
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Amy Berg's West of Memphis with Gillian Pensavalle
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Welcome back to Drawn to Darkness. This week, we are joined by special guest Gillian Pensavalle from True Crime Obsessed to discuss West of Memphis (2012), Amy Bergâs documentary that revisits the case of the West Memphis Three. In 1993, Stevie Branch, Michael Moore, and Christopher Byers were murdered and with little evidence and rising panic about satanic rituals, police quickly focused on three local teenagers: Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin, and Jesse Misskelley. Despite inconsistent confessions, lack of physical evidence, and alibis, all three were convicted, and Echols was sentenced to death. We...
Chatroom: Bedguard with Josiah Furcinitti
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In this bonus âChatroomâ episode of Drawn To Darkness, I (Annie) chat with horror author Josiah Furcinitti to discuss his chilling short story Bedguard, featured in the anthology Lies Beyond, a horror anthology exploring death, fear, and the unknown. In Bedguard, Anna is at first only worried about the growing distance between herself and her husband David. But when he starts suffering from terrifying nightmares, seeing mysterious scratches on his body, and falling violently out of bed, Anna realises too late that something unspeakable is targeting them. Â
Listen to me read Bedgu...
Sugarcane by Julian Brave NoiseCat and Emily Kassie
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In this episode, we discuss the National Geographic documentary Sugarcane, which investigates the legacy of St. Josephâs Mission residential school in Canada. Prompted by the discovery of unmarked graves at former school sites, the film follows members of the Williams Lake First Nation, including Julian Brave Noisecat and his father Ed, as they search for truth about what happened to children forced to attend the school. Through survivor testimony, archival material, and difficult conversations within families and communities, the documentary reveals the profound and ongoing consequences of the residential school system, where In...
Mexican Gothic by Silvia Moreno Garcia
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In this episode, we descend into Mexican Gothic, Silvia Moreno-Garciaâs 2020 bestselling novel set in 1950s Mexico. When glamorous socialite NoemĂ Taboada receives a disturbing letter from her cousin Catalina, who claims sheâs being poisoned in her new husbandâs remote mountain mansion, she travels to High Place to investigate. There she finds a crumbling English manor transplanted into the Mexican countryside, steeped in decay, silence, and red flags. Catalina is wasting away under the watchful eye of her sinister husband Virgil, his ancient patriarch Howard, and the sanctimonious housekeeper Florence. The house r...
Captive Audience: A Real American Horror Story
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In this episode of Drawn to Darkness, we pivot back to true crime with Captive Audience: A Real American Horror Story, a three-part docuseries about the kidnapping of Steven Stayner and the traumatic ripple effect. Weâll discuss Stevenâs story, how he was abducted at age seven while walking home from school and held captive for seven years by Kenneth Parnell. What makes the story even more unsettling is how ânormalâ his life appeared from the outside. Steven attended school, played sport, and yet could not free himself from his abuser until Parnell...
Trainwreck: Poop Cruise
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In this episode, we dive into Trainwreck: Poop Cruise, Netflixâs lowbrow, sensational documentary about the 2013 Carnival Triumph disaster, when an engine room fire left more than 4,200 passengers and crew stranded in the Gulf of Mexico with no power, no air conditioning, no refrigeration, and, most importantly, no functioning toilets.
We begin with discussion about losing power during floods, blizzards, hurricanes, and honeymoons gone wrong, but end up discussing human behaviour under extreme stress. As we discuss the "characters", we unpack how quickly civility can erode when basic systems fail, why so...
Hereditary by Ari Aster
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In this episode, we tackle Hereditary, Ari Asterâs devastating 2018 debut and one of the films most often credited with launching a new era of âelevated horror.â After the death of her estranged mother, miniature artist Annie Graham struggles to process her complicated grief. When her daughter Charlie dies in a shocking accident, the family fractures under the weight of blame, guilt, and unbearable loss. What begins as a family drama about grief, resentment, and inheritance curdles into something far darker as supernatural events occur and Annie Graham and her family discover that their...
Aileen: Queen of the Serial Killers by Emily Turner
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In this episode, we discuss Aileen: Queen of the Serial Killers, Emily Turnerâs documentary about Aileen Wuornos, a rare, hands-on female serial killer whose life is steeped in trauma, exploitation, and state violence. We discuss our views on the death penalty and then unpack whether Aileenâs childhood abandonment, sexual abuse, homelessness, and years of sex work made her into a "monsterâ. We discuss nature vs nurture, the deeper horror of the targeting of sex workers; misogynistic and homophobic rhetoric, and the way prosecutors, cops, lawyers, and her âadoptiveâ mother profited from Aileen's st...
Guillermo Del Toro's Frankenstein
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In this episode, we discuss Guillermo del Toroâs gorgeous and gothic adaptation of Frankenstein, an epic, operatic exploration of creation, obsession, abandonment, and the horror of living after being rejected by the world. We discuss our own life goals and the hollowness that can follow achieving your greatest ambition, before diving into this reimagining of Mary Shelleyâs ground-breaking novel. We unpack the cinematic devices, symbolism, use of light and colour, as well as each character and what motivates them. We explore themes of immortality as a curse, intergenerational trauma, scientific overreach, colon...
A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens
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In this Christmas special of Drawn To Darkness, we swap favourite festive films (from Die Hard and Itâs a Wonderful Life to The Muppet Christmas Carol and Scrooged) before diving into Charles Dickensâ A Christmas Carol. Weâll discuss the plot and characters (Scrooge, Marley, the three spirits, Fezziwig, Tiny Tim, Fred), unpack life in Victorian London with its filth, disease, child labour, workhouses, debtorâs prisons and ghost-obsessed spiritualism, and trace how Dickens wrote this âghostly little bookâ as a sledgehammer blow against capitalism, greed and cruelty. Along the way weâll call out Di...
The Tuskegee Syphilis Study (via Youâre Wrong About)
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In this episode we unpack the history and ethics of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study (1932â1972), guided by Michael Hobbes and Sarah Marshallâs reporting in Youâre Wrong About. We recount how U.S. Public Health Service researchers recruited 600 Black men in Macon County, Alabama under the promise of treatment for âbad blood,â then withheld effective care, even after penicillin became a simple cure, so they could watch the disease progress. We explore why the study was âbad scienceâ as well as immoral; the racist assumptions baked into its design (e.g., claims that syphilis affec...
Grey Gardens by the Maysles brothers
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Welcome back to Drawn to Darkness, the podcast where we deep dive into our favourite horror and true crime. In this episode, we head deep into the peeling wallpaper, raccoon-infested attic, rotting walls and shingles, and extraordinary psychology of Grey Gardens, the 1975 direct-cinema documentary that follows Big Edie and Little Edie Beale, two formerly glamorous socialites now living in overwhelming decay and filth in their once-grand Hamptons estate. We unpack the house as gothic horror, Little Edieâs charm, yearning, and self-loathing (as well as her fabulous head scarves), Big Edieâs pride in he...
Stranger Things: Season 4
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In this extra-long deep dive, we unpack the entire âepicâ and âmetalâ Stranger Things Season 4. This season is a tonal shift from goosebumps to true horror. Weâll explore Vecna/Henry Creel/001, Maxâs near-death escape thanks to Kate Bush, as well as the way the show blends horror, sci-fi, action, and 80s nostalgia. We discuss each characterâs best moments and arc, as well as our favourite scenes, the Russian prison plotline, Eddieâs heroism, our hopes and dreams for Season 5, and the showâs major themes: grief, depression, friendship, shame and sacrifice.
Crime Scene: The Vanishing at the Cecil Hotel
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Welcome back to Drawn to Darkness, the podcast where we deep dive into our favourite horror and true crime. In this episode, we discuss Crime Scene: The Vanishing at the Cecil Hotel, the Netflix documentary about the disappearance of Elisa Lam, the 21-year-old Canadian traveller whose tragic death in a Los Angeles hotel sparked global obsession, online conspiracy, and some of the strangest internet theories you've ever heard. We unpack the chilling elevator footage, the Cecilâs cursed history, the disturbing overlap of mental illness and mythmaking, and the dark side of web sl...
Wes Craven's Scream
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Do you like scary movies? We do! In this episode of Drawn to Darkness, we discuss Wes Cravenâs Scream, the self-aware slasher that revived the genre and was a gateway to loving horror movies for so many of us.
From Drew Barrymoreâs unforgettable 12-minute opener to the Woodsboro house party, we explore how the film subverted horror tropes, dissect Sydney Prescottâs role as trauma survivor and feminist final girl icon, and argue why Matthew Lillardâs Stu might just be the MVP of the movie.
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Rosemary's Baby with Mia Farrow
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This week, we discuss Rosemaryâs Baby, the 1968 horror classic that turned pregnancy into psychological nightmare fuel. We unpack gaslighting husbands, demonic covens, and the claustrophobia of a New York apartment with a high incidence of unfortunate happenings. Rosemary and her husband Guy move into a grand old New York apartment, despite eerie warnings and a mysteriously blocked closet and when they meet their eccentric neighbours, things turn sinister. We'll discuss topics such as the filmâs sound design, use of colour (yellow), 1960s gender politics, and reveal how Rosemaryâs Baby captures both s...
The Yellow Wallpaper by Charlotte Perkins Gilman
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In this episode, we discuss Charlotte Perkins Gilmanâs gothic gut-punch, The Yellow Wallpaperâa claustrophobic descent into isolation, medical misogyny, and one very cursed interior design choice. Expect talk of gaslighting physicians, barred windows, nailed-down beds, and that unforgettable last line.
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We cover the full plot of The Yellow Wallpaper. If youâve never read it, pause here and come back after. Content include post-partum depression, gaslighting, horrible horror husbands, confinement, suicidal ideation, racism and eugenics, and a descent into madness.
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Catch and Kill by Ronan Farrow
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In this episode, we discuss Catch and Kill by Ronan Farrow, the explosive exposĂ© that revealed how Harvey Weinstein and a network of enablers in Hollywood, politics, and media silenced victims of sexual assault for decades. Farrowâs investigation was blocked by NBC, he was stalked by private investigators, and threatened with legal intimidation, but ultimately published in The New Yorker, sparking the global reckoning we now know as the #MeToo movement.
We unpack the bookâs chilling revelations, from Weinsteinâs predatory patterns, to the role of lawyers, executives, and journal...
Unknown Number - The High School Catfish by Skye Borgman
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In this âaround the water cooler special,â we break from our usual schedule to talk about the Netflix documentary Unknown Number, a story so shocking it has everyone buzzing, so we just had to talk about it too!
The case begins in 2020 in tiny Beal City, Michigan, where 12-year-olds Owen and Lauren were the townâs golden couple. But their sweet small-town romance turned into a nightmare when they became the targets of a relentless campaign of vile and anonymous text messages. What started as cruel taunts to break them up escala...
The Sixth Sense by M. Night Shyamalan
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Do your friends roll their eyes when you bring up your favorite ghost movie? Do you instantly know the significance of a red balloon? Weâre here for you. Welcome back to Drawn to Darkness, where we deep dive into our favourite horror and true crime.
In this episode, though decades have passed, Annie finally makes Caroline sit down for M. Night Shyamalanâs 1999 classic, The Sixth Sense, the movie that made âI see dead peopleâ an instant cultural touchstone. We talk creepy dolls, inattentive parents, and claustrophobic closets. Expect tangents about 19...
The Act: Gypsy Rose Blanchard and the murder of Dee Dee Blanchard
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This week we dive into The Act, Huluâs dramatization of the harrowing true story of Dee Dee and Gypsy Rose Blanchard. Though many of us would fake sick for the occasional day off, this takes it to the next level. Itâs a case of Munchausenâs by proxy, blurred lines between victim and perpetrator, and the disturbing question of how far someone will go for sympathy and control.
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Physical, emotional, and medical child abuseReferences to sex, BDSM, and needlesDisturbing dental procedures and feeding tubesO...Carrie by Stephen King
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Do your friends think youâre weird because you like horror and true crime? Then join us on Drawn to Darkness.
In this episode, we discuss Carrie, Stephen King's infamous debut novelâand the one that almost didnât make it out of the trash can. That is, until Tabitha King fished it out and told her husband to keep going. Good thing she did. Without Carrie, we might not have had Pennywise, Annie Wilkes, or even Stranger Things.
We unpack the horror and tragedy of Carrie White: a teleki...
Heaven's Gate - The Cult of Cults
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âThis cult has everything.â â Caroline, channeling Stefon from SNL, before we unpack the many strange and disturbing facets of the four-part docuseries Heavenâs Gate: The Cult of Cults, and one of Americaâs most infamous mass suicides. This cult mixes a strange blend of UFO mythology, musical theatre and the apocalypse. Starting with a light-hearted chat about what kinds of cults we might actually fall for (spoiler: cats, lots of TV, introvert-friendly, and insomnia-curing ones), we'll explore how a desire for belonging, meaning, and transcendence can be exploited by supposedly charismatic leaders like Marsha...
Steven Spielberg's Jaws
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Would you have gone back for a bigger boat? Then join us on Drawn to Darkness for our summer special. This week we celebrate the 50th anniversary of the movie that made people afraid to step into the oceanâand sometimes even a pool or a bath. Thatâs right, weâre diving into Jaws, Steven Spielbergâs 1975 man-versus-monster masterpiece.
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This episode contains discussion of implied dog death (though we have a theory that Pippit lived), on-screen gore, severed limbs, and the death of a child...
Mike Flanagan's Midnight Mass
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Welcome back to Drawn to Darkness. In this episode, we take on Mike Flanaganâs Midnight Mass, a seven-episode horror drama thatâs equal parts theological meditation and vampire apocalypse. Set in a dying island town with economic and emotional wounds, the show explores what happens when miracles start to occurâat a terrible cost.
We dive deep into the showâs literary devices, biblical allusions, long monologues, and that slow burn of dread. We also fangirl over gorgeous Riley and hate-watch Bev Keenâs every move. This episode also asks some bigge...