The Shadow Of The Man

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By: THAT Andi

Why do people go to Burning Man year after year, some for decades? Isn't it all a big party or is there more to it than that? The Shadow Of The Man show explores the impact and influence Burning Man has had on people over time in their own words. New long form interviews from a wide range of participants come out weekly. You will hear from the founders to key volunteers to regular participants. No one person has the answer to what Burning Man is all about but by listening to these series of interviews you get a clue...

EP 65 Lady Bee
#65
Today at 4:00 AM

Episode 65 with Lady Bee is out now! Meet Lady Bee, a long-time member and former art curator for the Burning Man organization. The conversation traces her journey from discovering the event in 1995 to her influential career managing art grants and archival collections that document the culture's material history. Lady Bee reflects on the evolution of the Burning Man community, emphasizing how the movement shifted from a small, unstructured gathering into a global "permission engine" that fosters collaboration over competition and brings public art into the mainstream. Her story is a historical testimony to the power of decentralized creativity and...


EP 64 Shadow Shorts #10
#64
Last Friday at 6:00 AM

Shadow Shorts #10 is out now! Recorded at BRC in 2025 participants were challenged to explain BM‘s impact in 5 minutes or less. Each Shadow Short is one person’s story, please enjoy this short story of how Burning Man has impacted and influenced people over time.

Meet Ivan as he explains his personal evolution as a veteran burner, tracing his journey from a frequent wedding photographer on the playa to his current pursuit of a responsibility-free experience focused on pure enjoyment. Ivan reflects on how the event serves as a "happy place" that fosters a unique sense of comm...


EP 63 Ryan Doyle
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05/11/2026

Episode 63 with Ryan Doyle is out now! Meet Ryan Doyle, a prolific artist and long-time Burning Man participant. The conversation explores Doyle’s extensive history within the community, specifically his foundational role in building legendary art cars like Robot Heart and various fleet vehicles for the Department of Public Works. Beyond mere technical construction, his story delves into the evolution of the event's culture, tracing Doyle’s journey from the "punk rock circus" scenes of the late 1990s to his current work with electric vehicle conversions and large-scale industrial art in Detroit. He reflects on how the collaborative spirit of r...


EP 62 Christine Nash
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05/04/2026

Episode 62 with Christine Nash is out now! Meet Christine Nash, a long-time veteran of Burning Man who shares her extensive history with the event’s creative community. Nash recounts her evolution from an attendee in 1996 to her current roles co-owning art complexes in Los Angeles and volunteering with Media Mecca, where she bridges the gap between journalists and artists. The conversation explores how the event serves as a transformative catalyst for self-sufficiency and artistic growth, highlighting the shift from massive spectacles to the intimate performance art and "serendipitous" encounters that define the desert experience. Her story documents the enduring so...


EP 61 Shadow Shorts #9
#61
05/01/2026

Shadow Shorts #9 is out now! Recorded at BRC in 2025 participants were challenged to explain BM‘s impact in 5 minutes or less. Each Shadow Short is one person’s story, please enjoy this short story of how Burning Man has impacted and influenced people over time.

Meet Mary Pia who describes her journey from being a scammed solo traveler in 2019 to finding a sense of belonging through volunteering with a camp community. Her narrative emphasizes the beauty of coming out of one's shell by engaging in daring social interactions and shared rituals like sunrise humming. Her story illustrates how...


EP 60 Jorge Luis Gamboa VIII
#60
04/27/2026

Episode 60 with Jorge Luis Gamboa VIII is out now! Meet Jorge Luis Gamboa VIII, a regional contact and long-time Burning Man participant known as the Ambassador. The conversation traces Gamboa's journey from his first trip to the Nevada desert in 2010 (fueled by a series of personal hardships) to his leadership within the Motropolis and Mo communities, which emphasize humanity and collaboration. Jorge recounts the evocative history of the Mo Road Show, a cross-country adventure on a 60-foot bus that fostered a deep sense of collective identity and mutual support among its diverse international passengers. He explains the transformative power...


EP 59 Kim Cook
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04/20/2026

Episode 58 with Kim Cook is out now! Meet Kim Cook, a longtime leader within the Burning Man organization who discusses the global evolution of the event’s culture. Cook details her transition from a "Burning Man adjacent" background in the arts to senior roles such as Director of Art and Civic Engagement, Director of Creative Initiatives, and Director of Global Activation, where she worked to bridge the gap between the desert festival and the wider world. A primary theme of the conversation is the porous definition of a "Burner" as She argues that the community’s core ethos of crea...


EP 58 Shadow Shorts #8
#58
04/17/2026

Shadow Shorts #8 is out now! Recorded at BRC in 2025 participants were challenged to explain BM‘s impact in 5 minutes or less. Each Shadow Short is one person’s story, please enjoy this short story of how Burning Man has impacted and influenced people over time.

Meet Pam, a twenty-five-year veteran of the gathering, who discusses her transition from a casual attendee to a dedicated volunteer on the "Swift" production team. The conversation highlights the metaphysical and communal depth of the event, emphasizing how the challenges of the desert environment foster a unique form of "trauma bonding" and a co...


EP 57 Arash
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04/13/2026

Episode 57 with Arash is out now! Meet Arash, the creator and host of the longest-running Burning Man podcast (the Burner Podcast). We talk about the history and evolution of burner media, highlighting the technical and emotional challenges of documenting a community defined by radical self-expression and human connection. Arash reflects on his decade-long journey from being an "annoyingly responsible" co-lead at the event to finding personal liberation through physical labor and artistic service. He talks about the transformative power of the Burning Man community, the importance of maintaining creative work as a gift rather than a commodity, and the...


EP 56 Ranger Beauty
#56
04/06/2026

Episode 56 with Ranger Beauty is out now! Meet Ranger Beauty, a veteran volunteer with over two decades of experience at Burning Man. We explore her extensive history with the event, spanning her roles as a Black Rock Ranger, an emergency medical volunteer, and a DJ for the pirate radio station Radio Electra. Throughout the interview, Beauty emphasizes the importance of radical self-reliance, the practice of gifting without expectation, and the profound interpersonal connections fostered within the Burning Man community. Her story talks about the evolution of the culture through the eyes of a long-time participant while highlighting the diverse...


EP 55 Shadow Shorts #7
#55
04/03/2026

Shadow Shorts #7 is out now! Recorded at BRC in 2025 participants were challenged to explain BM‘s impact in 5 minutes or less. Each Shadow Short is one person’s story, please enjoy this short story of how Burning Man has impacted and influenced people over time.

Meet Don who has participated in Burning Man  for twenty-two consecutive years. The conversation highlights how the event serves as a massive creative outlet, where Don helps manage a solar-powered village and operates a daily margarita bar. A central theme of his story is the perso...


EP 54 The Assless Chaplain
#54
03/30/2026

Episode 54 with The Assless Chaplain is out now! Meet the Assless Chaplain, who reflects on his twenty-year evolution within the Burning Man community. The conversation transitions from his reckless, unprepared origins in 2005 to his modern role organizing a themecamp that operates a wedding chapel on the playa. He discusses the concept of radical self-reliance and the shift from "weird people trying to feel normal" to a more structured, communal environment. The Chaplain emphasizes the transformative power of ritual, explaining how officiating ceremonies allows him to process personal grief and foster human connection through the ten principles. Ultimately, his story...


EP 53 Miss P Segal
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03/23/2026

Episode 53 with Miss P Segal is out now! Meet P. Segal, a foundational figure in the San Francisco Cacophony Society and the early evolution of Burning Man. The conversation traces the historical significance of 1907 Golden Gate, a massive Victorian residence that served as a creative clubhouse where artists collaborated on subversive urban pranks and planned the first desert excursion of the "Man" in 1990. Miss P details her transition from a caterer and restaurateur to a therapist, eventually returning to her roots by developing Art House, a non-profit initiative dedicated to establishing permanent housing co-ops for displaced artists. She shares...


EP 52 Shadow Shorts #6
#52
03/20/2026

Shadow Shorts #6 is out now! Recorded at BRC in 2025 participants were challenged to explain BM‘s impact in 5 minutes or less. Each Shadow Short is one person’s story, please enjoy this short story of how Burning Man has impacted and influenced people over time.

Meet a long-time attendee named Papa Smurf who explains his profound personal transformation fostered by the Burning Man community. The conversation highlights how the event serves as a catalyst for growth, helping the guest transition from a shy "wallflower" to a confident individual who successfully navigated recovery from alcoholism w...


EP 51 Cab Spates
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03/16/2026

Episode 51 with Cab Spates is out now! Meet Cab Spades, a long-time participant in Burning Man and a community leader in Hawaii. Cab talks about his history with the event since 2005, detailing the logistical evolution of the festival from a seamless, low-tech gathering to a complex operation involving massive shipping containers and permanent infrastructure. Cab explains the concept of Buddhist economics, a holistic worldview where value is measured not just in currency, but through human relationships, environmental impact, and personal satisfaction. He connects these festival experiences to his work in Hawaii, specifically his Optimistique festival, which integrates permaculture, wellness...


EP 50 Naomi Most
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03/09/2026

Episode 50 with Naomi Most is out now! Meet Naomi Most who relates her early, unscripted solo adventures—such as her first trip in a Jetta that broke down—to her later involvement in more organized camps like the "Human Car Wash" and the experimental performance art scene at Thunderdome. Central to their discussion is the concept of serendipity, where Naomi explains how the festival’s environment fosters intuitive discovery and unique human connections that are difficult to replicate in default society. Beyond the desert, the dialogue explores Naomi’s family h...


EP 49 Shadow Shorts #5
#49
03/06/2026

Shadow Shorts #5 is out now! Recorded at BRC in 2025 participants were challenged to explain BM‘s impact in 5 minutes or less. Meet Sigardona, a Russian-born Californian who progressed from a curious first-time attendee to a camp leader managing a unique underwater photography installation. Their conversation highlights the deep social bonds formed through shared adversity and the way the "playa" inspires participants to think outside the box in their daily lives. His story explains the lasting impact of the community by showing how the festival's creative spirit extends in...


EP 48 Joseph Buchman
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03/02/2026

Episode 48 with Joseph Buchman is out now! He is a former professor and census volunteer, who details his transformative journey within the Burning Man community. The narrative follows his transition from a grieving, skeptical Scout Master to a dedicated participant after a religious-like experience at the Temple helped him heal from a family tragedy involving suicide. Central themes include the healing power of communal art, the logistical complexity of the Black Rock City Census, and the environmental ethics of Playa Restoration (Resto). Ultimately, the source serves as a deep dive into how the event’s Ten Principles, specifically gifting an...


EP 47 Quest Skinner
#47
02/23/2026

Episode 47 with Quest Skinner is out now! Meet Quest Skinner, a multi-talented artist and "poly-camperous" burner who shares her transformative decade-long journey at Burning Man. The conversation centers on Skinner’s evolution from a first-time attendee in 2015 to a vital leader in Art Support Services, where she now utilizes her expertise in fabrication and logistics to help artists realize massive projects amidst the harsh desert elements. She emphasizes the importance of community resilience and mentorship, recounting how she found purpose in "fixing" art and empowering others through technical certifications and practical sk...


EP 46 Shadow Shorts #4
#46
02/20/2026

Shadow Shorts #4 is out now! Recorded at BRC in 2025 participants were challenged to explain BM‘s impact in 5 minutes or less. Meet an Australian attendee named Mel, who talks about the concept of personal recalibration, exploring how Black Rock City's surreal, Mars-like landscape and commitment to artistic expression allow adults to rediscover a lost sense of childlike curiosity and play. Mel highlights the importance of immediacy, using the metaphor of an approaching storm to illustrate why one must embrace life’s vibrant moments before they vanish. Ultimately, the episode serve...


EP 45 Nicholas Powers
#45
02/16/2026

Episode 45 with Nicholas Powers is out now! Meet Nicholas Powers, a professor and reporter who details his decades-long journey through Burning Man. His story follows Powers’ evolution from a "lone wolf" seeker to the founder of a people of color camp, highlighting how the festival acts as a catalyst for human solidarity and deep psychological healing. Central to their discussion is the idea that the harsh desert environment—particularly during the recent "mud burn"—strips away superficial "sparkle pony" personas to reveal a raw, authentic human connection and "an...


EP 44 Erin Douglas
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02/09/2026

Episode 44 with Erin Douglas is out now! Meet Erin Douglas, the visionary creator of the Black Burner Project. The conversation traces Douglas’s evolution from a hesitant first-time attendee in 2017 to a prominent community leader who uses portraiture and storytelling to increase the visual identity and inclusion of people of color at Burning Man. Central to her story is Douglas’s transition from a career in finance to one in creative photography, a shift that culminated in her landmark 2022 installation of thirty-foot-tall sculptures on the playa. By docu...


EP 43 Shadow Shorts #3
#43
02/06/2026

Shadow Shorts #3 is out now! Recorded at BRC in 2025 participants were challenged to explain BM‘s impact in 5 minutes or less. Meet Angelina to explore how Burning Man fosters profound personal growth. Angelina describes how the event allowed her to reclaim her creative identity through fire dancing and art, providing a necessary emotional balance to her highly analytical professional life. A central theme of the discussion is the shift in perspective from impossibility to empowerment, as she reflects on overcoming the logistical hurdles of traveling from the UK to the desert. Her...


EP 42 John Law
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02/02/2026

Episode 42 with John Law is out now! Meet John Law, a foundational figure in the San Francisco underground art scene. He is here to promote an upcoming documentary about SantaCon, while simultaneously tracing the cultural lineage that connects the Suicide Club, the Cacophony Society, and the early years of Burning Man. Law emphasizes that these movements were rooted in a philosophy of creating one’s own culture through collaborative, non-commercial, and often transgressive experiences. He offers a critical perspective on how Burning Man evolved from a gr...


EP 41 Joshua Martelli
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01/26/2026

Episode 41 with Joshua Martelli is out now! Meet Joshua Mortelli, who explores the deep intersections between Burning Man subculture and his professional life as an off-road race promoter. The conversation details Mortelli’s evolution from a "digital burner" studying online forums to a seasoned theme camp leader for a collective known as Camp Zoom, emphasizing the importance of year-round community and ancestral creative draws. Central to the dialogue is the concept of knowledge transfer, as Mortelli explains how he adopted the Burning Man organization's op...


EP 40 Shadow Shorts #2
#40
01/22/2026

Shadow Shorts #2 is out now! Recorded at BRC in 2025 participants were challenged to explain BM‘s impact in 5 minutes or less. Meet Jonathan who discusses his transition from a long-time observer to an active participant and first-time volunteer for emergency services. Their dialogue highlights the logistics of radical self-reliance, as Jonathan travels from Hawaii with minimal gear to participate in the event's rituals of renewal and catharsis. Ultimately, the episode illustrates how the culture of the desert gathering influences the "default world" by encouraging practitioners to integrate values like immediacy an...


EP 39 Debi "Crackerjack" Mansour
#39
01/19/2026

Episode 39 with Debi “Crackerjack” Mansour is out now! Meet Debbie "Cracker Jack" Mansour, a dedicated leader in the regional Burning Man community. The conversation explores the tension between Black Rock City purists and those who find deep meaning in smaller events, ultimately arguing that being a "burner" is defined by embracing the culture and ten principles rather than geographical location. Mansour recounts her transformation from a sheltered background to a "neurospicy" community leader, highlighting her creative contributions such as mandatory virgin tours and "complimentary heckling." Her journey illustrates the...


EP 38 Tex Burner
#38
01/12/2026

Episode 38 with Tex Burner (aka Tex Allen) is out now! Meet Tex Allen, a longtime member of the Burning Man community who shares his journey from a "weird kid out of suburbia" to a prominent performance artist. The conversation explores the transformative power of presence and radical gifting, specifically through Tex’s two major long-term projects: distributing over 50,000 clown noses to bypass social barriers and founding the Church of Hugs to foster human connection. Tex describes how these "social experiments" originated from personal moments of frustration or grief, eventually evolving into gl...


EP 37 Shadow Shorts #1
#37
01/09/2026

Shadow Shorts #1 is out now! Recorded at BRC in 2025 participants were challenged to explain BM‘s impact in 5 minutes or less. Each Shadow Short is one person’s story, please enjoy this short story of how Burning Man has impacted and influenced people over time.

This  episode features Liz, who reflects on her seventeen-year history with  Burning Man. The conversation highlights how the event serves as a sacred, collaborative space that fosters human connection, gender fluidity, and a deep appreciation for limitless artistic creation. Liz explains that the festival’s demanding environment taught her e...


EP 36 Harley Dubois
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01/05/2026

Episode 36 with Harley Dubois is out now! In 1988 She was enrolled at the Berkeley Psychic Institute when she found a great apartment in SF at 1907 Golden Gate. Over the next few years she unwittingly held afterparties for Cacophany Society events. In 1990 when the SF park police shooed away Larry Harvey and friends from Baker beach a meeting was convened in her living room to decide what to do with this “Burning Man”. She didn’t take the bait originally in 1990 but after hearing from the “Zone Trip #4” returnees (like her neighbor Miss P Segal) she first hit the Black Rock Deser...


EP 35 Stuart Mangrum
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12/15/2025

Episode 35 with Stuart Mangrum is out now! He has worn many hats over the years, currently known as the host of the Burning Man Live podcast. Start has been a member of the Cacophany society for many years and first hit the playa in 1993. His first year at Black Rock City he was roped into doing the playa’s first newspaper, the Black Rock Gazette which he was the editor of for a few years. In 1995 he started what is arguably the first real themecamp (Tiki camp) that was designed in advance and implemented on playa. He argues that th...


EP 34 Dean Barlese
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12/01/2025

Episode 34 with Dean Barlese is out now! Meet Dean Barlese, a Paiute elder, to explore the complex relationship between the Burning Man festival and the indigenous community whose ancestral lands host the event. Barlese reflects on the historical growth of the gathering since 1990, noting how it has transitioned from a small nuisance to a source of mutual support through solar projects, emergency funding, and cultural exchanges like the land blessing ceremonies. However, the dialogue also highlights significant friction regarding the desecration of sacred sites, specifically the practice...


EP 33 Wolfie
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11/15/2025

Episode 33 with Wolfie is out now! Meet Wolfie, the current mayor of Illumination Village, an established and art-focused camp at the Burning Man. The conversation explores her decades-long history with the event, beginning with a chance encounter with the festival's founders at a beach burn in the 1990s and evolving into her sophisticated role as a community leader. Wolfie details the logistical complexities of managing a large-scale village on the Esplanade, emphasizing the shift from being a passive spectator to a participatory contributor who fosters a...


EP 32 Kay Morrison
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11/01/2025

Episode 32 with Kay Morrison is out now! Meet Kay Morrison, a long-time Burning Man organizer and founding board member of the nonprofit Burning Man Project. The conversation traces Morrison's journey from her roots in non-violent direct action protests to her accidental discovery of the festival in 2000, illustrating how her background in activism shaped her appreciation for the event’s gift economy and communal values. They discuss the evolution of the culture, specifically the rise of regional networks and the role of theme camps like the Iron Monkeys, a blacksmithing co...


EP 31 Paradox Pollack
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10/15/2025

Episode 31 with Paradox Pollack is out now! Meet Paradox Pollock, an artist and performer who reflects on the experimental origins of Burning Man. Pollock describes his early involvement with Desert Site Works, a collective that staged deeply immersive, 48-hour rituals on the Nevada playa long before the event became a mainstream phenomenon. These performances, which explored the human life cycle from conception to death, served as the foundational creative blueprint for the large-scale operas and ritualized theater that defined the festival's artistic identity throughout the 1990...


EP 30 Metric
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10/01/2025

Episode 30 with Metric is out now. Meet Metric, a long-time resident of Gerlach and a pivotal figure in the structural evolution of Burning Man. The conversation traces his journey from a San Francisco sound engineer in the 1990s to the manager of the Black Rock Desert ranch highlights how individual initiative and "hustle" helped transform the event from a transient gathering into a year-round institutional presence. Key themes include the technical artistry of the "Man Crew," the preservation of regional pioneer history, and the transition of the Burning Man...


EP 29 Diva Marisa
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09/15/2025

Episode 29 with Diva Marisa is out now. Meet Marisa who first heard about Burning Man as a 12 year old girl living in the bay area by reading about it in a Cacophany Society newsletter. She first hit the playa in 1999 to sing in Pepe Ozan’s opera. Death Guild has been a San Francisco club since 1993, and the themecamp Death Guild/Thunderdome was founded by David King. In 2002 Marisa sang at the first SF decompression and in 2003 she started with Velocity Circus. In 2004 she started working in leadership for Death Guild/Thunderdome which she has been involved in ever si...


EP 28 Monique Schiess
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09/01/2025

Episode 28 with Monique Schiess is out now. Meet Monique, a pivotal co-founder of AfrikaBurn, the largest regional Burning Man event. The conversation explores the evolution of the burn movement in South Africa, detailing how Schiess and a small group of "renegades" adapted the desert festival model to a landscape defined by extreme economic inequality and a history of activism. A significant portion of the dialogue addresses the philosophical tensions between grassroots anarchy and the "corporatized" top-down structures that often emerge as these events scale. Schiess shares her personal journey of ...


EP 27 Danger Ranger
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08/15/2025

Episode 27 the Season Premiere is out now. Meet Michael Mikel (aka Danger Ranger)  a foundational figure in the Burning Man community and a co-founder of the Cacophony Society. He details the movement’s origins in the Suicide Club, a 1970s group dedicated to living intensely through urban exploration and absurdist pranks. The narrative traces the evolution of these "experiences beyond the pale" from San Francisco beach burns to the establishment of Black Rock City, highlighting the transition from anarchic art projects to a large-scale organized event. Danger Ran...


EP 26 The First Year In Review
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08/08/2025

Episode 26 the Season One Recap is out now. The inaugural season of the Shadow of The Man show is now over, next week Season 2 will launch with the Season Premiere EP 27 with none other than Danger Ranger! Learn about what happened behind the scenes in Season 1 and get a sneak peek at Season 2

This episode recounts the wobbly but promising beginning of this show and all of the startup problems the show faced. Over time these issues were ironed out and the show started to get more regular and professional. The issue of equity in the show...