Wallowing in the Shallows
Welcome to Wallowing in the Shallows, the podcast that skirts the perilous drop-off of a deep dive into television and movies. We are two friends and academic nerds aspiring to become TV and movie geeks. We draw on our opinions and research to review television and movies, such as Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Shakespeare. We think of it as sitting around the dinner table bs-ing with friends about what we watched that week. Wallowing in the Shallows can be reached at witstvpod@gmail.com. New Episodes on Thursdays.
WITS chats 'Project Hail Mary' | dir. Phil Lord and Christopher Miller | 2026
Rebecca and Tori chat about 'Project Hail Mary.' If the audio is weird, we apologize but we recorded right after we left the theater and have done minimal editing to keep it real, i.e., like you're listening to us talk about the movie live. We still manage to include spoilers.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Brothers in Arms clip | Dire Straits | Brothers in Arms (Official Music Video) | 23 Feb 2010 | YouTube
Project Hail Mary clip
Amazon MGM Studios | Project Hail Mary | âRoommatesâ - Official Clip...
WITS chat 'Dogma' | dir. Kevin Smith | 1999
Rebecca and Tori chat the 1999 film, 'Dogma,' directed by Kevin Smith. We talk the impact of the movie on us, our thoughts about beliefs and organized religion (don't come for us--it's our opinions based on our personal experiences). We tangent, so be prepared.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Podcast Jazz Bossa Nova Acoustic Guitar Good Mood Music | by Denis-Pavlov-Music from Pixabay
Shining Star Flourish: Sound Effect by u_it78ck90s3 from Pixabay
Spotlight Flourish: Sound Effect by StudioKolomna from Pixabay
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WITS chats 'pina' | dir. Wim Wenders | 2011
Rebecca and Tori continue their Recommended By series, Picks from the Criterion Closet, with the 2011 documentary, 'pina.' Recommended by Katya Zamolodchikova, we venture on a journey to interpret contemporary dance. As self-professed dance Luddites, we can only discuss our interpretations using our meager knowledge of the language of dance. Forgive us if we get it entirely wrong.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Podcast Jazz Bossa Nova Acoustic Guitar Good Mood Music | by Denis Pavlov music on Pixabay
Sound Effects
Shining Star Flourish: Sound...
WITS chats 'Waking Ned Devine' | dir. Kirk Jones | 1998
Rebecca and Tori chat the 1998 Kirk Jones film, 'Waking Ned Devine." We discuss community, morality, and our mutual love of Maurice.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Podcast Jazz Bossa Nova Acoustic Guitar Good Mood Music | by Denis-Pavlov-Music on Pixabay
Clip
Kev Walsh | Waking Ned Devine (1998) BluRay | 17 Dec 2024 | YouTube
Sound Effects
Shining Star Flourish: Sound Effect by u_it78ck90s3 from Pixabay
Spotlight Flourish: Sound Effect by StudioKolomna from Pixabay
Explicit
We somehow wander...
WITS chats 'The Watermelon Woman' | dir. Cheryl Dunye | 1996
Rebecca and Tori chat their next Recommended By flick from the Criterion Collection, 'The Watermelon Woman.' We discuss issues related to the social construct of 'race,' queerness, identity, and white privilege and gatekeeping.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Sound Effects
Shining Star Flourish: Sound Effect by u_it78ck90s3 from Pixabay
Spotlight Flourish: Sound Effect by StudioKolomna from Pixabay
Clips
Minnie Riperton clip: Minnie Riperton - Topic | 7 Aug 2018 | âLovinâ Youâ | YouTube
'The Watermelon Woman' | Criterion Channe...
WITS chats 'Hamnet' | dir. Chloe Zhao | 2025
Rebecca and Tori chat about the recent Golden Globe winner for Best Motion Picture - Drama and Oscar Best Picture nominee, 'Hamnet.' Spoiler alert: we love it!
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Podcast Jazz Bossa Nova Acoustic Guitar Good Mood Music | by Denis Pavlov Music from on Pixabay
Sound Effects
Shining Star Flourish: Sound Effect by u_it78ck90s3 from Pixabay
Spotlight Flourish: Sound Effect by StudioKolomna from Pixabay
Leaves Rustling in Wind: Sound Effect by storegraphic from...
WITS chats 'Black Girl' (1966)
Rebecca and Tori don't chat, we dive deep into Ousmane Sembene's 1966 classic, 'Black Girl.' This is the next installment of our Recommended By series based on the Criterion Collection Closet Picks. In this podcast, we get political as we discuss colonialism, post-colonialism, economic slavery, racism, and abuse.
For the first time, we are spoiler-free for the first 25-ish minutes because we encourage you to listen to us for the spoiler-free segment, go watch the film if you haven't seen it, then come back and listen to the rest of the podcast. We were so engrossed in...
WITS chats a Double Feature | The Pink Panther (1963) & A Shot in the Dark (1964)
Rebecca and Tori chat about Blake Edwards' 1963 classic, 'The Pink Panther,' and its follow-up, the 1964, 'A Shot in the Dark.' In our most spoiler-free episode to date, we discuss Peter Sellers' life, scenes that made us laugh the most, what didn't age well, and what was ludicrous. We kind of sing too.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Shining Star Flourish: Sound Effect by u_it78ck90s3 from Pixabay
Spotlight Flourish: Sound Effect by StudioKolomna from Pixabay
Podcast Jazz Bossa Nova Acoustic...
WITS chats 'Evolution' | dir. Ivan Reitman (2001)
Rebecca and Tori celebrate the anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth by chatting about the 2001 flick, 'Evolution.' We discuss some high points and some low points, overuse a couple of catch-phrases, and question some of the science.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Shining Star Flourish: Sound Effect by u_it78ck90s3 from Pixabay
Spotlight Flourish: Sound Effect by StudioKolomna from Pixabay
Smooth Criminal clip: Michael Jackson | Michael Jackson - Smooth Criminal (Official Video - Shortened Version) | 2 October 2009 | YouTube
Evolution clip: UltraScheiben...
WITS chats 'Best in Show' | REPLAY
We're re-releasing our episode for 'Best in Show' in honor of Catherine O'Hara.
We'll be back next week with a new episode!
WITS chats 'Black Narcissus' (1947)
Rebecca and Tori chat about their second recommendation from the Criterion Closet Picks, 'Black Narcissus.' Recommended by director Edgar Wright, we discuss British colonialism, emotional repression, and the many mirror representations between characters.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Podcast Jazz Bossa Nova Acoustic Guitar Good Mood Music | by Denis-Pavlov-Music | Pixabay
Twinkle Twinkle Little Star | by Maksym Dudchyk Music | Pixabay
Shining Star Flourish: Sound Effect by u_it78ck90s3 from Pixabay
Spotlight Flourish: Sound Effect by StudioKolomna from Pixabay
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WITS chats 'Casablanca'
Rebecca and Tori chat the 1942 classic film, 'Casablanca.' We cover some production history as well as character development and plot points. We chat some about the continuing relevance of the film.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Shining Star Flourish: Sound Effect by u_it78ck90s3 from Pixabay
Spotlight Flourish: Sound Effect by StudioKolomna from Pixabay
Sound Effect
Typing: from Pixabay
Movie Clip
Raindog's House of Oddities | Shocked that Gambling Is Happening - Casablanca (1942) | 16 Jun 2022 | YouTube
<...WITS chats Jane Austen's 'Persuasion' | 1995
Rebecca, Tori, and returning guest host, Louise, chat the 1995 movie, 'Persuasion.' We can't believe it took us this long to get around to Austen!
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Shining Star Flourish: Sound Effect by u_it78ck90s3 from Pixabay
Spotlight Flourish: Sound Effect by StudioKolomna from Pixabay
'Persuasion' clip
Mistress of Pemberley | "Frederick Wentworth's Letter (full scene) - Persuasion (1995) ES/PT-BR | 15 Dec 2024 | YouTube
On the power and effects of Gowland's lotion, in cutaneous eruptions, and, for restoring the...WITS chats The Criterion Collection | 'Room with a View' (1995)
Rebecca and Tori begin a new series: Recommended By: Recommendations from the Criterion Closet. This week, our movie, "Room with a View,' is recommended by Nick Offerman. We rave about characters, performances, and production.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Sound Effects
Shining Star Flourish: Sound Effect by u_it78ck90s3 from Pixabay
Spotlight Flourish: Sound Effect by StudioKolomna from Pixabay
Sources
Clip Source: Dwyer, Elizabeth | âRoom with a View Clipâ | 19 Sep 2012 | YouTube | https://youtu.be/8eE7FR8q8tg?s...
WITS chat Diner (1982)
Rebecca and Tori ring in the New Year chatting about the 1982 movie, Diner, written and directed by Barry Levinson. We discuss gender dynamics and the transition into adulthood, while Tori waxes nostalgic about how the movie relates to her family. We get into some character development, the portrayal of women, and the cultural context of the 1950s.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Shining Star Flourish: Sound Effect by u_it78ck90s3 from Pixabay
Spotlight Flourish: Sound Effect by StudioKolomna from Pixabay
Typing: Sound...
WITS chats Scrooge-Off 2025 | Round 4
Rebecca and Tori along with guest host, Debra, wind up Scrooge-Off 2025. This final round finds us discussing the 1984 'A Christmas Carol,' starring George C. Scott and the 1951 version starring Alastair Sim. Who will take the crown?
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental by Sound Atelier licensed through Jamendo Music.
A Christmas Tale by Aleksey Voronin on Pixabay
Sound Effects
Record Scratch: Sound Effect free on Pixabay
WITS chats Scrooge-Off 2025 | Round 3
Rebecca and Tori are joined by Debra to delve into Round 3 of the 2025 Scrooge-Off. This episode's contenders are the Patrick Stewart and George C. Scott. And, the winner is...
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental by Sound Atelier licensed through Jamendo Music.
A Christmas Tale by Aleksey Voronin on Pixabay
Sound Effects
Record Scratch: Sound Effect free on Pixabay
WITS chats Scrooge-Off 2025 | Round 2
Rebecca and Tori are joined again by Debra to continue with Scrooge-Off 2025. Guy Pearce returns after trouncing Reginald Owens in Round 1. Pearce is up against Patrick Stewart. Who will emerge the winner of Round 2?
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental by Sound Atelier licensed through Jamendo Music.
A Christmas Tale by Aleksey Voronin on Pixabay
Sound Effects
Record Scratch: Sound Effect free on Pixabay
WITS chats Scrooge-Off 2025 | Round 1
Rebecca and Tori are joined by Christmas movie aficionado, Debra, in our first ever Scrooge-Off. We pit a couple of versions of "A Christmas Carol" in a head-to-head competition. Round 1 finds the 1938 Reginald Owens version against the 2019 Guy Pearce version. The 2019 version takes us to some unexpected, dark places. Merry Christmas?
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental by Sound Atelier licensed through Jamendo Music
A Christmas Tale by Aleksey Voronin available on Pixabay
Sound Effect
Record Scratch available on Pixabay
Sources
Leo G. Carroll - WikipediaA Christmas Carol...WITS chat the Star Wars Holiday Special 1978
Rebecca and Tori are joined by Nancy and Jeff to watch and chat about the 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special. The first part of the podcast has some of our live reactions and the last part is our discussion. If you want to skip the reaction, the discussion starts at 22:00.
1978 Star Wars Holiday Special clips
Star Wars Coffee | The Star Wars Holiday Special 1978 (Full) (No Commercials)| 9 Oct 2021 | YouTube
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental by Sound Atelier licensed through Jamendo Music.
A Christmas Tale by Amaksi free on Pixabay
Sound...
WITS chats Marvel Zombies | S1 E3-4
Rebecca and Tori wrap up their chat about Marvel Zombies season 1. We discuss the animation style, character connections, and the intense themes of hope and despair. We love it.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental by Sound Atelier licensed through Jamendo Music.
The Epical Trailer: Music by Dmitrii Kolesnikov free on Pixabay
Sound Effects
Record Scratch: Sound Effect free on Pixabay
Celebratory Music: #Uppbeat (free for Creators!) | Upbeat.io
BâMax | Thor Ragnarok | It's my birthday | 23 Jan 2018 | YouTube
Sources
ScreenCrush | Marvel Zombies BREAKDOWN - MC...WITS chats Marvel Zombies | S1 E1-2
Rebecca and Tori chat about Marvel Zombies, season 1, episodes 1 and 2. We mispronounce several names and get on a tangent about Mahershala Ali. We skim the major themes, ponder the various characters, discuss the animation design, and school ourselves on zombie lore.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental by Sound Atelier licensed through Jamendo Music.
The Epical Trailer: Music by Dmitrii Kolesnikov free on Pixabay
Record Scratch: Sound Effect free on Pixabay
WITS chats Mocktober | Spinal Tap II
Rebecca and Tori chat about Spinal Tap II: The End Continues. We compare it to the original and talk about the scenes and cameos that we liked. We bring in some information from a number of interviews with the cast.
WITS chats Mocktober | This Is Spinal Tap
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Sources
C. J. Vanston - WikipediaValerie Franco - WikipediaSpinal Tap II: The End Continues | Rotten TomatoesInside 'Spinal Tap 2' with Director Rob ReinerIn 'Spinal Tap II,' the aging metal band is still...WITS chats Mocktober | What We Do in the Shadows
Rebecca and Tori chat about the mockumentary, "What We Do in the Shadows." We discuss the origins of the movie, chose a word to describe each of the main characters, vampire tropes, and production style. Throughout the podcast we talk about what we loved about the production style and revel in the mundanity.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Sound Effects
Flight of the Conchords clip: Kenneth Lloyd | Flight of the Conchords - The Most Beautiful Girl (in the Room) | Jan 30, 2011 | YouTube
Sources
10 Common...WITS chats Mocktober | Incident at Loch Ness
Rebecca and Tori chat the 2003 mockumentary, 'Incident at Loch Ness.' We discuss cameos, characters, the funny, and we tangent. We land on "...it's a movie."
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Sound Effect
'We Interrupt' by Otto from Pixabay
News clip: Alaskaâs New Source | The Winner of Fat Bear Week 2025 Has Been Chosen | Sep 30, 2025 | YouTube
Sources
Analog Indulgence | Miller Lite Beer (2003) Television Commercial - Mud Wrestling | Dec 2, 2020Loch Ness Monster - WikipediaCryptozoology - WikipediaWITS chats Mocktober | This Is Spinal Tap
Rebecca and Tori continue Mocktober with a chat about the iconic mockumentary, 'This Is Spinal Tap.' We discuss each of the band members and highlight our favorite lines. We also manage a tangent about David Hasselhoff. In general, we laugh a lot.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Rob Reiner Talks This Is Spinal Tap as Film Returns to Theaters (Exclusive)The Untold Truth Of Spinal TapClassic Rock History | Complete List of Spinal Tap Band MembersTumblr | zeroenthusiasm | List of Spinal Tap Drummers -- All DeceasedThis Is Spinal Tap Review...WITS chats Best in Show | Mocktober 2025
WITS starts off Season 3 with Mocktober, a series of chats about mockumentaries. Rebecca and Tori begin with the classic 'Best in Show.' We take a wee dive into each of the main characters (including the dogs) and rave about Fred Willard's performance.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Sources
Mockumentary - What Is It Actually? Characteristics & FilmsPhiladelphia Cream Cheese - WikipediaWhat Do Actual Dog Handlers Think of âBest in Showâ? - InsideHookMental Floss | 15 Prized Facts about Best in ShowBest in Show (2000) - Decent FilmsThe Real-Life Inspiration Behind Fred...WITS re-releases Shakespeare | Richard III
Hello WITSy people, Rebecca and Tori have work and family obligations to take care of this week, so we are re-releasing our Richard III episode to wind up Shakespeare in September. In the second week of October, we'll be back with new episodes created especially for the month of October and in November and December, we'll be doing some Jane Austen and a few Christmas podcasts. We hope you'll join us!
WITS chats Shakespeare | Hamlet
We're late posting our latest episode...life. What can we say. This week, Louise joins us again to chat about two productions of Shakespeare's 'Hamlet,' Grigori Kozintsev's 1964 and Gregory Doran's 2009 productions. We talk about the different approaches the directors and actors take, what our expectations are for productions of Hamlet, and relate Hamlet to 'Gilligan's Island' (iykyk).
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Remember the way | by Mid-Air Machine; licensed under a Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License available on Free Music Archive
Sound Effect
Record Scratch...
WITS chats Shakepeare's "Much Ado About Nothing"
Rebecca, Tori, and special guest, Louise, return to chat about the 1993 Kenneth Branaugh and 2013 Josh Whedon productions of Shakespeare's "Much Ado About Nothing." We delve into some character analysis, performance comparisons, and Shakespearean themes. We discuss gender dynamics, visual aesthetics of the adaptations, and identify our spotlight scenes and shining stars. And, we have a lot of fun.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Remember the way | Mid-Air Machine | licensed under a Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License at Free Music Archive
Sound Effects
Record Scratch: Sound Effect...
WITS chats Shakespeare's 'Julius Caesar'
Rebecca, Tori, and special guest, Louise, chat about two different productions of Shakespeare's 'Julius Caesar,' the 1953 Joseph Mankiewicz classic film and the 2019 Phyllida Lloyd all-female cast based on the 2012 adaptation. We compare the two productions, touching on what we identify as high and low points in each, character relationships, and production.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Remember the way | Mid-Air Machine; from Free Music Archive
Sound Effect
Record Scratch: free on Pixabay
Sources
A Hidden Underground Chamber Has Been Found...WITS chats Chief of War | Season 1 Episodes 3-5
Rebecca and Tori continue their wallow in the Apple TV+ series, Chief of War. We chat about the politics, colonialism, cultural representation, and the various personal relationships. Rebecca continues to bring in the wisdom of the hosts of the podcast Feathers and Fire.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental by Sound Atelier licensed through Jamendo Music.
Sound Effects
Shining Star Flourish: Sound Effect by u_it78ck90s3 from Pixabay
Spotlight Flourish: Sound Effect by Dzianis Honczarow from Pixabay
Print Source
Linnekin, Jocelyn. "Hawaiians." In Oceania, 95-97...
WITS chats Ironhearat | Season 1 Episodes 3-6
Rebecca and Tori finish Marvel's series, Ironheart, episodes 3-6. We discuss representation, moral choices, and the impact of father figures. We delve into our thoughts about criticism of the show, and we talk about Casey Kasem.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental by Sound Atelier licensed through Jamendo Music.
The Epical Trailer: Music by Dmitrii Kolesnikov free on Pixabay
Sound Effects
Record Scratch: Sound Effect free on Pixabay
Shining Star Flourish: Sound Effect by u_it78ck90s3 from Pixabay
Spotlight Flourish: Sound Effect by Dzianis Honczarow...
WITS chats Chief of War | Season 1 Episodes 1 & 2
Rebecca and Tori chat about AppleTV's 'Chief of War.' We apologize for butchering the Hawai'ian names. We're going to practice. We talk some of the buzz about the series, work on getting the characters' relationships and story lines straight, and discuss what is historically accurate and inaccurate based on our own research and that of the podcast, Feathers and Fire.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental by Sound Atelier licensed through Jamendo Music.
Sources
Jason Momoa - WikipediaHawaii Star | Hawaii Traditional ClothingTraditional Clothing in Hawaii: From Past to PresentWorld Atlas | Hawaii through Ancient...WITS chats Ironheart | Season 1 Episodes 1 & 2
Rebecca and Tori chat about Marvel's Ironheart, season 1, episodes 1 and 2. We do make a bit of social commentary so if that's not your jam, we understand. We discuss casting, characters, along with strong and weak points. Overall, we both enjoyed the first two episodes.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental by Sound Atelier licensed through Jamendo Music.
The Epical Trailer: Music by Dmitrii Kolesnikov free on Pixabay
Record Scratch: Sound Effect free on Pixabay
WITS chats Marvel | The Fantastic 4: First Steps
Rebecca and Tori chat about the newest Fantastic 4 flick, 'The Fantastic 4: First Steps.' We introduce a couple of new segments to the podcast (we experiment, what can we say). We do a little comparison with the older Fantastic 4 movies, discuss the character dynamics, and educate ourselves a little on the comics.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental by Sound Atelier licensed through Jamendo.
The Epical Trailer: Music by Dmitrii Kolesnikov free on Pixabay
Interstitial music generated by Vozart.ai
Sound Effects
Record Scratch: Sound Effect free on Pixabay<...
WITS chats Murderbot | Season 1 Episode 10
Rebecca and Tori wind up their wallow in Apple TV's Murderbot. We chat about how we feel about the final episode and spend some time doing a character arc review. We discuss what we hope to see in Season 2.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Sound Effect
Crickets | Sound Effect by felix_quinol from Pixabay
Sources
All Systems Red Summary And Themes By Martha WellsWITS chats Murderbot | Season 1 Episodes 8-9
Rebecca and Tori chat episodes 8 and 9 of the Apple TV series, Murderbot. We discuss the differences between the two episodes and the novella and touch on what we consider the high points. We also try to figure out when Murderbot began to obtain his humanity.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
WITS chats Star Wars Rogue One & Andor Season 2 Wrap-Up
Tori is joined by Nancy and Jeff to chat about Rogue One post-Andor and wrap-up their discussion of Andor season 2. We go off the rails a couple of times, but manage to convey our thoughts about how Rogue One was different after the Andor series.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Star Wars Style March & Battle Music | Humanoide Media Music by Luis Humanoide from Pixabay
Sound Effect
Record Scratch: Sound Effect free on Pixabay
WITS chats Murderbot | Season 1 Episodes 5-7
Rebecca and Tori continue their wallow in the Apple+ series, Murderbot. We chat about differences between the series and the novella, especially Leebeebee. We dive into a discussion about Arada's and Ratthi's character development.
Music
Apache Rock Instrumental | by Sound Atelier; licensed from Jamendo
Sources
Nerdy Show | 20June2025 | Murderbot Season 1Episode 7 Ending Explained | Murderbot vs. Grathin | YouTube