State of Love & Trust Podcast

Jason and Paul welcome Jamison Wake to the show to discuss his life as a pastor turned rocker. After nearly two decades as a Christian minister, Jamison Wake traded the pulpit for the stage. On his new album, The Wheel, he explores fatherhood, masculinity, faith, American life, and personal reinvention through cinematic, anthemic rock. We talk about leaving the ministry, rediscovering his musical roots, confronting disillusionment, and finding new ways to build community through music.

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Jason and Paul return to their Superlatives series and have fun analyzing Pearl Jam's Lightning Bolt from a differnet point of view. Best Bass Riff...Most Introspective Lyric, Song Most Lyrically Relevant in 2026...and so many more. Plus, Sheehan Perera aka Concertpants joins the fun.

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Jason and Paul sat down with legendary conservationist and environmental activist Captain Paul Watson at the 2026 Ohana Storytellers stage. Watson is best known for aggressively confronting illegal whaling for more than 50 years and has been detained and jailed many times. Watson co-founded or was highly influential in the formation of Greenpeace, Sea Shepherd, and his latest venture, the Captain Paul Watson Foundation.

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Jason and Paul return to the Ohana Storytellers stage in 2026 for not one...but two conversations. This epiosde focuses on the chat with Pearl Jam's Mike McCready and graphic novelist Mark Sable. Mike's new book Farewell to Seasons is a love letter and re-writing of the Seattle music scene of the 80s and 90s. It's an incredible book that allows Mike to properly grieve his losses and find peace, and some closure, through the process.

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Jason and Paul are excited to preview the 2026 (and 10th ever) edition of the Ohana Festival. Pearl Jam returns to the stage for their first live show(s) since the departure of drummer Matt Cameron. Who will be the new drummer? Plus, they look at the festival as a whole and discuss the bands they are looking forward to seeing, the incredible speakers at the Storytellers Stage and the incredible art inside The Cove. All that plus so much more at the incredible Ohana Festival.

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Jason and Paul celebrate 17 years of Pearl Jam's Backspacer with a Retro Review. The shortest album in Pearl Jam's career, Backspacer is often overlooked by fans yet provided one of the band's biggest hits in Just Breathe. However, there is plenty of great rock surrounding it. So is it underrated? Hmm...

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Jason and Paul make a special trip to Seattle to celebrate Pearl Jam's Ten at 35. They host a panel discussion at the famed London Bridge Studio (where Ten was made) with its co-owner and producer Eric Lilavois. Pearl Jam is celebrating their debut record turning 35 by completely employing producer/engineer Josh Evans to remix their live performance of the record, front to back, from their 2016 concert in Philadelphia. That newly remixed performance of Ten in its entirety will be cut to vinyl by the legendary Levi Seitz...who also shares a few words. Then, the big surprise, Pearl Jam's...

Jaosn and Paul return to their Retro Review series to analyze and discuss Pearl Jam's fourth LP on its 30th birthday -- No Code. While the record was their third number 1 in a row...it quickly fell out of commercial favor and split the fan base. Now, 30 years later, it's often regarded as the band's best. What do we think?

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Jason and Paul return to their LP2EP series to figure out some way of distilling Pearl Jam's iconic Ten down from 11 songs to fit inside the 30 minute constraint of an EP. Nothing says "happy 35th birthday" like this!

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Jason and Paul return to their Retro Reviews series for a monster of an album -- celebrating its 35th birthday it's the iconic Metallica aka the black album. Metallica sold over 20 million records in the U.S. alone with five incredibly successful singles and a Grammy for "Enter Sandman". The guys discuss and analyze this iconic record...and no, it's not all sunshine and happy faces.

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Jason and Paul welcome Identity Crisis lead singer Reece Gonzales to the show other discuss his young band's new EP, keeping the spirit of grunge and alt-rock alive in 2026, songwriting, and much, much more. Reece talks about the challenges of trying to make it in an AI and social media driven world and who influenced his love for our favorite bands. Identity Crisis' new EP Starve is out now -- streaming everywhere and available on vinyl on their website.

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Jason and Paul return to their series profiling the most significant recording studios in music history by chatting with David Catching, owner of Rancho de la Luna studio in Joshua Tree, California. This desert oasis has produced countless records, collaborations, stories and friendships over its 30 year history. David has a million stories and shares some of them with us detailing why Rancho is a legend of the desert.

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Jason and Paul return to their Retro Review series to analyze and rank all 11 songs on Nirvana's debut Bleach. The 37-minute LP was recorded at Reciprocal Studio in Seattle, WA in 1989 for a mere $600 and was the beginning of Nirvana's legendary, if short, career. It's also the only album to not feature Dave Grohl on drums.

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Jason and Paul welcome filmmaker Danilo dos Reis to the show to discuss long-awaited documentary Montana Grind. The film explores how building skateparks across Montana has affected the youth of rural and native communities. The skateparks are personally motivated by Pearl Jam bassist Jeff Ament and his Montana Pool Service non-profit, along with the Montana Skatepark Association and countless others. dos Reis followed a number of kids as they grew into young adults highlighting how the simple concept of having a place to skateboard keeps kids out of trouble, enhances their self esteem, and builds community. You can stream...

Jason and Paul return their Soundtracking series where they discuss the albums of the year that affected them the most. They might the most critically acclaimed. They might be underground cult hits. They might something off the beaten path. Whatever they are, they are the soundtrack of that year for the guys. What are yours?

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Jason and Paul welcome Dead Pioneers' founder and vocalist Gregg Deal back to the show to discuss their new album Wagon Burner. Gregg discusses songwriting in the United States in 2026, educating versus entertaining and why it's not his responsibility for you to "get it". It's a great conversation fit for a commencement speech and anyone who wants to punch nazis. Wagon Burner is out June 26.

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Jason and Paul welcome Soundgarden co-founder and guitarist Kim Thayil to the show to discuss his new memoir 'A Screaming Life: Into the Superunknown with Soundgarden and Beyond.' Kim candidly speaks about discovering punk and his early years of music, coming to terms with identity, songwriting for Soundgarden, the loss of Chris Cornell, and what's to come with the final Soundgarden album.

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Jason and Paul are joined by singer/guitarist Jamie Stephen Hall of Tigercub. We dive into Jamie's musical roots in Sunderland...to Brighton, his songwriting process, exposing too much, and how Pearl Jam's Stone Gossard helped sharpen his skills. Tigercub's new record Nets to Catch the Wind is as heavy as it is beautiful.

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Jason and Paul welcome Sheehan Perera (Concertpants) back to the show to discuss the latest ruling against Ticketmaster and Live Nation. A jury decided the concert mega-company is, in fact, a monopoly having broken anti-trust laws. So now what? We discuss what the sentencing might be including the possibile separation of the two companies. Plus, what does the ruling mean for venues, promotors, artists, and music fans?

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Jason and Paul welcome back to the show 90s and 2000s rock aficionado, content creator, and Smashing Pumpkins superfan Jacob Givens back to the show to discuss the five most influential Smashing Pumpkins songs. Across 35 years, 13 studio albums, soundtracks and more, the Smashing Pumpkins are one of the most influential bands of the 90s and have evolved record after record through the genius of Billy Corgan. Like him or not...you cannot deny how prolific a songwriter he is. This was a difficult challenge to say the least.

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Jason and Paul celebrate 20 years of Pearl Jam's self-titled record by shrinking it from an LP...to an EP. It's always a difficult task...especially so with 🥑. Plus, Lyric and Live Cut of the Week return with a track from Dark Matter - Waiting For Stevie.

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Jason and Paul celebrate the 35th anniversary of the lone Temple of the Dog record by reviewing it...retroactively. In the wake of Andrew Wood's death, Chris Cornell sought to mourn through music...writing music to honor his friend who'd died of a drug overdose. In doing so he convinced Wood's former Mother Love Bone bandmates, Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard, to help him flesh out and record the music along with Soundgarden drummer Matt Cameron...and lead guitarist Mike McCeady (who'd been recently jamming with Ament and Gossard in a new project which would eventually become Pearl Jam...

Jason and Paul celebrate Dark Matter at two years old by taking the record and completely changing the order of the songs! It's called a retracking and Pearl Jam's 12th album finally gets the treatment. Do the guys completely change it up...or make subtle tweaks? Plus, two old segments finally return. It's the Lyric and Live Cut of the Week -- Got to Give.

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Jason and Paul welcome back photographer Geoff Whitman to the show to discuss his new book chronicalling Pearl Jam's Dark Matter World Tour. Whitman pulls back the curtain on life in the pit, the split-second decisions behind iconic shots, and the stories you didn’t see from one of the biggest tours in the world. React \ Respond is packed with raw, intimate moments that capture the band at full power. If you’ve ever wondered what it takes to document a tour like this, this is as close as it gets.

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Jason and Paul celebrate 300 epiosdes by welcoming back King Ultramega and Metal Allegiance founder Mark Menghi and Alice In Chains frontman William DuVall to the show. They discuss their collaborations across both KU and MA with the tracks "Rusty Cage" and "Black Horizon" respectively. Then the guys talk about collaborating, egos, seeking vulnerability and truth in the music making process and the inspirational organism that is the live music experience. It's a hell of a conversation. One worthy of such a milestone.

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Jason and Paul celebrate their impending 300th episode milestone with a mailbag for the ages. Answering questions from listeners, patrons and special guests of the pod to boot!

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Jason and Paul welcome back former Billboard, SPIN, and Spotify writer Jessica Letkemann and Sheehan Perera aka Concertpants back to the show to celebrate Pearl Jam's 'Gigaton' on its 6th birthday. If you've enjoyed this series before you know what to expect. Conversations around the band's most introspective lyrics, most infectious grooves, risks that didn't land, lyrics most relevant in 2026 and many more.

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Jason and Paul welcome legendary multi-instrumentalist, songwriter, and producer Alain Johannes for a deep conversation about the art of collaboration, creativity, and the quiet role of the musician who helps great music happen.

Known for his work with Chris Cornell, Queens of the Stone Age, Eleven, Mark Lanegan, and many others, Alain has spent decades shaping some of rock’s most powerful and emotional records—not always in the spotlight, but often at the very center of the creative process.

In this conversation, Alain reflects on the philosophy of collaboration versus creating alone, how...

Jason and Paul welcme musician, producer, and co-owner of the legendary London Bridge Studio to the show to discuss how the studio that birthed Pearl Jam's Ten, Alice In Chains' Facelift and Sap, Soundgarden's Louder Than Love, Candlebox's self-titled and Lucy, and many, many more adds it's own personality to every recording over its 41 years in service to music. Musicians reveal themselves, find truth in their music and discover how the pacific northwest's crown jewel recording studio can affect their careers in indelible ways.

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Jason welcomes comedian and podcaster Dean Delray to the show to discuss his life of lives beginning as a rock club booker, then a touring musician, then a Harley Davidson salesman, then a standup, then a podcaster. All the while, with rock in his blood, Dean has paid tribute to AC/DC's Bon Scott for decades. Every time adding more and more premier rock stars to the roster culminating in this month's final edition. The stories and inspiration are boundless.

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Jason and Paul welcome singer/songwriter Chris Pierce to show as he readies his new album Songs for the Heavy Hearted. Chris has written and performed socially concious, deep and meaningful songs for over two decades, toured with the likes of Neil Young and has the respect of some of most revered in Americana music. We dive into his songwriting process, lyrical perspectives and how he articulates his feelings about the current state of the world through his music. Chris has an indiegogo campaign to help fund the promotion and production of the record with some pretty great perks...

Jason and Paul welcome indie rocker Zach Person to the show to discuss his still young and burgeoning career. The Atlanta-based Person combines a blues based rock with modern grooves and an urgent vocal delivery with aplomb. Person is set to release new music this year after his first to LP's in 2021 and 2024. The self-admitted fan of Seattle's music scene infuses that asthetic with Nashville, Austin and more.

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Jason and Paul continue their celebration of Pearl Jam's Yield album by revisiting their "Write Your Own..." series. The guys pick through the lyrics from acrsos the album to create a new piece of art that encompasses the album in their eyes. Plus, the 2026 Grammys! Jason and Paul give their 3 big takeaways from the annual awards show and how they think music industry is adapting to the latest cultural shifts....or vice versa.

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Jason and Paul return to their Retro Reviews series where the review records from a contemporary perspective. This week it's Pearl Jam's 1998 record Yield.

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Jason and Paul begin a new series to find out what albums created the soundtrack to a year. It could be any year but we begin with 2016. The goal of this series is find the music that makes you feel seen, heard, empowered, lifted up and so much more. And maybe in the process you'll find new records to love as well.

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Jason and Paul welcome filmmaker Matt Finlin and EB Research Project CEO Michael Hund to the show to discuss their documentary 'Matter of Time' chronicling the journeys of EB patients and seeking the cure. Eddie Vedder, his wife Jill, and their daughters are huge supporters of the project to eradicate this disease and this new documentary beautifully paints the picture from the viewpoints of a handful of patients all against the backdrop of Eddie's 2023 solo concerts in Seattle.

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Jason and Paul welcome a slew of guests to the show to honor 25 years of official Pearl Jam bootlegs by picking their favorite shows from Pearl Jam's Dark Matter World Tour. They called the best shows in 2000 the Ape|Man shows. Mixer/engineer Brett Eliason, mixer Greg Nelson, and photographer Geoff Whitman share their thoughts on Pearl Jam's wildly successful Dark Matter tour in the year's final episode.

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Jason and Paul are feeling the holiday season and decided to resurrect Pearl Jam's old holiday fan club singles as fodder for another playlist. The band put out 27 vinyl singles with multiple tracks. So what EP-length playlist would you make...and what would the theme be?

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Jason and Paul welcome filmmaker Amy Berg to the show to discuss her latest project, a documentary chronicalling the heartbreaking yet beautiful career and life of singer/songwriter Jeff Buckley -- It's Never Over, Jeff Buckley. Amy relates her treatment of Jeff's story to her own as a single mother and a little bit about her next project...a documentary on Chris Cornell.

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Jason and Paul celebrate Vitalogy by giving it the Superlatives treatment and do so with community legends -- Music For Rhinos author and music journalist Jessica Letkemann...and PJ20 author and music journalist Jonathan Cohen. They discuss the best and surprising moments from Pearl Jam's third studio album.

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