Make Trades Great Again
Whether you're a seasoned professional, a newcomer, or simply interested in the trades, the "Make Trades Great Again" podcast offers something for everyone. Our goal is to promote the value of skilled trades, provide essential resources, and build a strong community of passionate individuals.Industry Insights - Educational Content - Community Stories - Technology in TradesTune in now and be part of the movement to make trades great again!
Give It The Old College Try
This episode explores the diverse paths young people take after high school, including college, trades, and entrepreneurship. We discuss the importance of financial literacy, the value of hard work, and how social media is changing perceptions of trades and career opportunities.
Joined by our pod-partners John Mesenbrink & Tim Ward, hosts of the Appetite For Construction Podcast
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Andy's Odd Job
In this episode, Andy and Eric explore the fascinating history and ongoing renovation of a 110-year-old bank building in Missoula. They discuss the building's unique architecture, outdated plumbing systems, and innovative solutions for modern upgrades.
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Milwaukee's New Lighting - PIPELINE
Milwaukee is expanding the lighting category again in 2026. A couple notable new lights shown this year at PIPELINE are the usb-c rechargeable clip light and flat flashlight. Hayley Stamerra, product manager at Milwaukee Tool talks all things lighting in this week's episode.Â
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Packout at Pipeline with Nick Trawicki
Our annual trip to Milwaukee PIPELINE is always great fun. This year we talked all things Packout with product manager Nick Trawicki.Â
Packout was first released in June of 2017. Since its launch, Packout has expanded to literally hundreds of products that are mostly intended to save us time on and off the job site.Â
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Feast or Famine?
There are pockets of the US that are struggling, other areas that are as busy as ever. What gives?Â
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Top 5 Skills Apprentices Need Master To Be Successful
Calling all apprentices (and those training them)!Â
One of our most listened to episodes went live back in April 2024 and still tallies downloads today so we decided it was time for a followup!Â
We changed it up a little from our first list of 5 Things Apprentices Should Do Every DayÂ
Thanks for listening, have a great day!Â
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Rewind! Wives Special! Knowing what you know now...
This episode aired in August '24 and had been one of our most downloaded ever, give it a listen, we hope you enjoy it. We will be back with new episodes soon!Â
Ever think "If only I knew then what I know now" ?
We are so pumped to bring you this and the next episode with special Guests Heather Aune & Sheryl Mickelson, the obvious better halves of the MTGA team.Â
Sheryl runs the office and a good part of the business for Mickelson Plumbing & Heating.Â
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Andy Hates Combi Boilers Too
The guys revisit a topic they’ve been getting a lot of feedback from. It started with a recent MTGA episode titled “Eric Hates Combi Boilers”.
In this episode, Eric and Andy discuss the pros and cons of combi boilers, common issues, applications, and backup strategies for heating systems. They share insights on system reliability, application scenarios, and practical tips for homeowners and professionals.
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We Installed a Radiant Cooling System...You Can Too!
Andy and Eric discuss their recent project installing a Viessmann air-to-water heat pump system, exploring its performance, efficiency, and potential applications in radiant cooling and heating. They share insights on system design, energy savings, and practical considerations for HVAC professionals.
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The Boys Are Back Together in Montana
Eric is flying out to work with Andy on the Mickelson P&H shop!Â
This episode features a deep dive into radiant heating design, heat pump integration, and insulation strategies for shop construction. Hosts Eric and Andy share practical insights, calculations, and real-world examples to optimize energy efficiency and system performance.
Key Topics
Radiant slab design and insulation
Low water temperature operation and energy savings
Heat pump integration and buffer tanks
BTU load calculations and insulation impact
Climate considerations for radiant cooling and heating
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Eric Hates Combi-Boilers
Should we stop installing combi-boilers?Â
Eric and Andy discuss the pros and cons of combi-boilers, the longevity of different heating systems, and practical advice for choosing the right water heating solutions for North American homes.
Chapters
00:00 The Combi-Boiler Debate
05:20 Longevity and Efficiency of Heating Systems
10:44 Indirect Water Heaters vs. Combi-Boilers
15:49 The Importance of Proper Sizing
20:53 The Future of Combi-Boilers
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Who is Mark Wille
Hey MTGA fans, we're excited for you to meet a good friend of ours, olease give it a listen!Â
Mark Wille shares his journey from childhood in construction to becoming a leader in building science and education. Discover his insights on trades, education, leadership, and his innovative children's book series that aims to inspire the next generation of builders.
Key Topics
Journey from childhood in construction to industry leader
The importance of trades and vocational education
Innovative approaches to inspiring youth in construction
Building science and energy efficiency advancements
Trouble with Trying New Equipment
We explore the challenges and lessons learned from installing new heat pump systems, including a detailed account of a failed project. We discuss equipment selection, troubleshooting, and the realities of integrating innovative technology into residential heating and hot water systems.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to New Technologies in HVAC
02:44 Challenges with New Equipment Installations
05:21 Case Study: Air to Water Heat Pump Installation
08:00 Understanding System Limitations and Performance
10:44 The Importance of Proper Equipment Selection
13:35 Learning from Past Experiences
16:16 Customer Expectations and Communication
18:58 Technical Challenges and Support Issues
20:16 Navigating Equipment...
American Tradesperson Series w/ creator John Mesenbrink
Join us as we explore the impactful work of John Mesenbrink and his innovative series on rebuilding communities after wildfires, workforce development in the trades, and the future of construction technology.Â
Discover how these stories highlight resilience, industry challenges, and opportunities for growth.
Key Topics:
Wildfire rebuilding process and community impact
Workforce development in the trades and education programs
Innovations in construction materials and methods
Infrastructure challenges and solutions post-disaster
Future trends in construction technology and sustainability
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Giant Water Heaters Everywhere!
In this episode, Eric shares a detailed case study of a residential hot water system issue, exploring piping mistakes, system design flaws, and practical solutions for improving hot water performance in large homes.
Key topics:
Piping mistakes in residential water systemsProper sizing and piping of indirect water heatersTroubleshooting hot water shortages in large homesChapters
00:00 Introduction and Weather Talk
02:42 The Hot Water Dilemma
05:30 Understanding the Boiler and Water Heater Setup
08:29 Piping Issues and Their Implications
11:18 The Design Flaw in Hot Water Systems
14:11 The Importance of P...
Keep it Simple Stupid
In this episode, hosts Eric and Andy share insights on using AI for writing scope descriptions, the importance of simplicity in estimates, and practical tips for effective communication in trades. They also recount personal stories from a recent vacation and discuss the impact of technology on their work.
Key Topics:
Using AI to write scope descriptionsBalancing detail and simplicity in estimatesCommunicating scope of work effectivelyPersonal stories from vacation and workImpact of technology on trade professionsText the guys your ideas & feedback!
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Going after the work you want - Listener Write-in
Thanks to Connor for writing in with his question: How do you attract the kind of clients and work you want to do?Â
Do you say no to work or is it best to take anything and everything that comes along?Â
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Doing the work you want to do - Listener Write-in
Send us Fan Mail
Thanks to Connor for writing in with his question: How do you attract the kind of clients and work you want to do?Â
Do you say no to work or is it best to take anything and everything that comes along?Â
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Who's Answering The Phone?
After a careful, long drawn-out (five minutes) process of consideration in selecting the exact perfect AI CSR system, intrepid business mogul Eric Aune has officially entered the AI universe lol.Â
Eric & Andy talk about the new AI agent answering the phones for Aune Plumbing & Heating.Â
What are you thoughts about AI answering systems for serivce businesses?Â
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Are Service Body's Best for a Van Buildout?
Andy and Eric share insights on HVAC projects, tool upgrades, vehicle organization, and industry trends. They discuss practical tips for van setup, the pros and cons of service bodies, and share humorous stories from the field, offering valuable advice for tradespeople and enthusiasts alike.
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Robots answering the phone?
In this episode, Eric and Andy explore the practicalities, frustrations, and potential of AI-powered call answering systems in small businesses. They share personal experiences with automated systems in auto repair, healthcare, and customer service, debating their effectiveness and future prospects.
In the end one of the guys is planning to sign up and start using an ai answering service, who do you think it will be?Â
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Eric's Frozen Sewer & Water Debacle
Minnesota winters are relentless and physics will show no mercy! Today's episode brings back the classic MTGA format where Eric hits record without Andy knowing what the topic is. The guys cover dealing with Eric's frozen sewer and water as well as the silliness surrounding a simple battery change on the Transit. As always, thanks for listening.Â
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Fan Mail: How Can I Get Into Service Work?
Many trade professionals find themselves at a crossroads: should they continue focusing solely on installations, or is it time to branch out into the service side of the trade? In this post, we'll delve into actionable strategies for making that transition. Whether you're a seasoned installer or just starting your career, understanding the nuances of service work can open up new opportunities and enhance your skillset.
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Why we go to tradeshows: AHR Expo recap & trends
In this episode, Eric and Andy share their insights from the 2026 AHR Expo, highlighting the biggest product launches, technological innovations, and industry trends they observed. Whether you're an HVAC professional or just interested in the latest industry developments, this episode offers a comprehensive overview of what’s new and exciting.
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Making Changes In The New Year
In this episode, Eric and Andy discuss the challenges and opportunities that come with the new year, focusing on revamping business practices, particularly in maintenance contracts and price book management. They emphasize the importance of marketing strategies for 2026 and navigating seasonal challenges in the HVAC and plumbing industries. The conversation also touches on equipment insights and future business plans, highlighting the need for adaptability in a changing market.
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Let's Talk About Bruno!
Most know him as @ nample all over social media but there is so much more to our longtime friend Bruno Friedmann hailing from Germany.Â
We talk shop of course and encourage everyone to stay to the end to learn about Bruno's escape from communism and the start of a very fruitful career in the trades.Â
To Bruno, thank you for joining us. Your friends, Andy & Eric.
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Nikki Krueger of Santa Fe AHR Podcast Day 1
Meet the legendary Nikki Krueger of Santa Fe live on tape from the AHR Expo Podcast Pavillion in lovely Las Vegas, NVÂ
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Our Favorite Little Tool Episode
The guys chat about tools, some favorites and the importance of proper care for tools that may save your life some day.Â
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Frozen Houses, Oh my!
In this episode of the Make Trades Great Again podcast, Eric and Andy discuss the unusual winter weather conditions, including the challenges of frozen pipes and heating systems.Â
They share experiences diagnosing heating issues, the impact of wood-burning fireplaces on home heating, and the importance of maintaining heating systems during extreme cold.Â
The conversation also touches on the significance of snowpack for moisture release and the challenges of DIY repairs, particularly with Triangle Tube boilers.
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See You In Vegas Baby!
In this episode of the Make Trades Great Again podcast, hosts Eric and Andy discuss their upcoming attendance at the AHR Expo in Las Vegas, focusing on the latest innovations in the HVAC industry. They explore the importance of product quality versus value, particularly in furnace options, and share insights on dealer networks and the challenges of selecting the best products for their customers. The conversation also delves into new thermostat technologies and the significance of networking at industry events.Â
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Navigating Plumbing Supplies: Local vs Online
In this episode of the Make Trades Great Again podcast, hosts Eric and Andy discuss the nuances of sourcing plumbing supplies, weighing the pros and cons of local suppliers versus online shopping. They delve into the importance of support and warranties when purchasing products, sharing personal experiences with manufacturers and the challenges of product issues. The conversation also touches on the impact of private equity in the plumbing industry and the future of local supply houses.
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Questions about the Triangle Tube Shutdown
1. The Importance of Communication:Â
During our discussion, we emphasize how critical it is for manufacturers to communicate recalls effectively. One listener from Kirksville, Missouri, shared their story about discovering a recall on their Triangle Tube Challenger, which they were never informed of. This raises concerns about the accountability of manufacturers in ensuring their customers are aware of potential hazards.
2. Understanding the Triangle Tube Challenger:Â
We delve into the specifics of the Triangle Tube Challenger and the issues that can arise with its hybrid heat exchanger design. Eric and Andy reflect on their own experiences with th...
Our Pet’s Heads are Falling Off…
In this episode of the Make Trades Great Again podcast, hosts Eric and Andy discuss their recent work experiences, focusing on the challenges they face with equipment, troubleshooting, and customer interactions. They share stories about a boiler installation, equipment failures, and the importance of proper gas line sizing and venting. The conversation highlights the complexities of HVAC work and the necessity of effective communication with customers.
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Foreman Woes - Listener Mail
Andy and Eric discuss the challenges faced in the plumbing and construction industry, particularly focusing on management issues, team dynamics, quality control, and the importance of documentation.Â
They address a listener's concerns about managing a team with varying skill levels and the pressure to meet deadlines. The discussion emphasizes the need for skilled labor, effective training, and accountability in the workplace, as well as the significance of thorough testing and quality assurance in plumbing work.
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Technically it’s Illegal: What Would You Do?
Eric was called out to look at a heating system. Oddly it was a tank water heater installed to heat a radiant system, but that’s not right! Right?Â
How would you handle the situation? Give us a listen and let us know by sending a message using the link below👍🏼
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Real Talk BS Session
In this episode of the Make Trades Great Again podcast, Eric and Andy discuss various challenges faced in the HVAC industry, including customer expectations, the importance of technology in service management, and the frustrations that arise from customer interactions. They share personal anecdotes about job bids, gas connections, and the impact of customer attitudes on their business. The conversation emphasizes the need for clear communication and the role of technology in improving service delivery, while also inviting listener feedback to enhance future episodes.
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Must-Have Tool for Every Field Tech
In this episode, we discuss how personal (wearable) gas monitors can save lives by detecting CO levels before they become dangerous. Don’t wait for a crisis to start thinking about safety!Â
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Boiler Co. Calls It Quits
Eric and Andy discuss the abrupt closure of Triangle Tube, a significant player in the HVAC industry, and the implications of this decision. They explore the reasons behind the closure, including operational challenges and recalls that have plagued the company. The discussion also touches on the quality and reliability of Triangle Tube products, the impact on contractors and customers, and the future of the HVAC market in light of this development.
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Trolling Socials
In this conversation, Eric and Andy discuss the practicality and perceptions surrounding new technology in the plumbing and hvac industries. They explore the common criticisms of fittings like sharkbites while emphasizing their effectiveness in specific scenarios, particularly in radiant manifold installations.
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Adapting to Rising Material Costs in the Trades
Summary
The guys discuss the challenges faced by tradespeople in the heating and plumbing industry, particularly focusing on the rising costs of materials and how these affect pricing and customer relationships. They explore the impact of seasonal changes on their work, the necessity of adapting to market fluctuations, and the importance of clear communication with clients regarding price adjustments. Additionally, they touch on innovative product solutions that can help mitigate some of these challenges.
Takeaways
Material costs have significantly increased, affecting pricing strategies.Maintaining quality while managing costs is...