SALTovation: Making Sense of State and Local Tax

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Welcome to SALTovation. The SALTovation show is a podcast series featuring the leading voices in state and local tax (SALT). Here we talk about issues, strategies, and planning tools to help you make sense of SALT. Because, in SALT, there is no “one and done.” SALT is a puzzle of ever-changing pieces. Solving that puzzle is our business at SALTovation. Tens of thousands of listeners know they won't get tax talk as usual with the SALTovation team. Our team is known for straight-talk with a flair for fun, providing clarity and opinions that move businesses forward with confidence. Attorney, CPA, spea...

Lessons from the Field on Tax Litigation and Compliance
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In this episode, we’re joined by Dave Kupiec, CPA, JD, and Natalie Martin, JD, of Kupiec & Martin, LLC, for a deep dive into Illinois tax law. Drawing on their extensive experience with the Illinois Department of Revenue and major corporations, they unpack the recent Pepsi case, offering insights into the state’s Tax Tribunal and appellate process.

We explore the importance of strong documentation, how administrative decisions can impact taxpayers, and key strategies for navigating Illinois’s complex tax landscape.


Key Takeaways:

The Pepsi case shows how complex Illinois tax disput...


Incentives and Impediments: Navigating Colorado’s Business Landscape
#119
07/04/2025

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we unpack the complex and shifting economic landscape of Colorado, focusing on how recent tax policies are reshaping the business environment. We continue our conversation with Ed Sealover, VP of Strategic Initiatives at the Colorado Chamber of Commerce, and explore key legislative developments, including new targeted tax credits designed to spark innovation and boost tourism across the state.

We take a closer look at the evolving role of the Taxpayer’s Bill of Rights (TABOR) and its ripple effects on efforts to reform business personal property taxes and discuss the co...


Revenue, Reform, and Resistance: Colorado’s Fiscal Crossroads
#118
06/25/2025

As Colorado heads into 2025, big fiscal decisions loom. In this episode, we sit down with Ed Sealover, VP of Strategic Initiatives at the Colorado Chamber of Commerce, to unpack the state’s growing budget deficit and what it could mean for both businesses and residents.

We explore hot-button issues like the proposed rollback of software tax exemptions and the controversial retail delivery fees. Ed breaks down the tough balancing act lawmakers face, and how to fund essential services without stifling economic growth.

From the halls of the Capitol to the boardrooms of local businesses, we ex...


Illinois vs. Everyone: Digital Goods, Legal Fights, and the Future of Tax Policy
#117
06/04/2025

This week we continue our conversation with Diane Yetter, President and Founder of Yetter Tax and the Sales Tax Institute. We unpack recent changes to Illinois tax law—specifically through the lens of the PetMeds case—and explore the broader impact of South Dakota’s use tax ruling. We also break down what these shifts mean for taxpayers and why it’s more important than ever to stay alert in the ever-changing world of state and local taxation.

From choosing the right software to understanding key decision factors like taxability content, geographic coverage, and platform compatibility, listen for prac...


From Sales to Income Tax: States Are Watching
#116
05/21/2025

More than a dozen states have repealed the 200 transaction threshold for economic nexus, aiming to ease the burden on small sellers. Our guest Diane Yetter, President and Founder of Yetter Tax and the Sales Tax Institute, breaks down what these changes mean for businesses, particularly those navigating multi-state sales. Diane explains why small sellers can no longer rely solely on transaction counts to determine nexus and why a broader understanding of tax obligations is now essential. 

We unpack the benefits of these reforms, the challenges that persist, and what steps businesses should take to stay compliant in a...


Brent Reeves, Co-Founder of CereTax: Balancing IT and Tax
#115
04/30/2025

In this episode of the Saltovation Podcast, we continue our conversation with Brent Reeves, co-founder of CereTax. Brent unpacks the power of API-first architecture and explains why seamless integrations are critical, often solving problems businesses don’t even know they have.

Together, we explore key topics like audit readiness, the pitfalls of legacy systems, and the importance of building tax processes right from the start to avoid costly missteps. Brent also shares insights on the growing trend toward technology-enabled services, where automation is enhanced, not replaced, by human expertise.

Whether you're a tax professional or ju...


Brent Reeves, Co-Founder of CereTax: Accidental Beginning to Technological Insights
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04/16/2025

We’re talking with Brent Reeves, a seasoned entrepreneur and trailblazer in tax technology, on the SALTovation podcast this week. Brent shares the story behind launching SureTax and how that journey led to the creation of his latest venture, CereTax.

We dive into what it takes to disrupt the sales tax space—from building agile teams to staying ahead of constantly shifting compliance demands. Brent breaks down how his approach to solving real-world tax challenges with smart, scalable tech has helped businesses of all sizes stay compliant and future-ready.

Join us as we explore the art...


California Tax Developments: The Implications of New Regulations with Michael Cataldo: Part 2
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03/19/2025

This week on the SALTovation podcast we continue our conversation with Michael Cataldo. Michael breaks down Public Law 86272 and how it affects businesses in California. He discusses the market-based sourcing rules and key cases like Bindley and Luber, which highlight the challenges of tax compliance in the state. Meredith, Stacey, and Michael talk about Governor Newsom’s budget proposals and how they could impact financial institutions, especially with the potential switch to a single sales factor for apportionment. 

Listen for tips on how to navigate California’s tricky tax regulations and how upcoming changes could impact the futur...


California Tax Developments: The Implications of New Regulations with Michael Cataldo
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03/05/2025

This week on the SALTovation podcast, Michael Cataldo breaks down the key market-based sourcing regulations that will shape state tax practices in 2025 and beyond. We explore the shifting landscape of state and local taxation, with a strong focus on California’s latest regulatory developments.

Join us as we unpack the complexities of these changes, their broader implications, and why tax professionals must stay ahead of the curve. We also dive into the controversial “look-through” approach, which redefines how service-based income is sourced—a debate extending far beyond California’s borders.

Key Takeaways:

Michael Cataldo discusses...


Data Security and Tax Administration Insights with Ryan Minnick, COO at FTA: Part 2
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02/19/2025

This week on the SALTovation podcast we continue our conversation with Ryan Minnick, COO at FTA, about the technological hurdles tax agencies are facing today. We examine the tension between user-friendly taxpayer portals and the need for strong security measures, noting that legislative complexities and resource limitations contribute to cumbersome interfaces. Ryan highlights the importance of balancing accessibility and security to improve voluntary compliance. He also discusses the significant financial investment required to modernize tax systems and advocate for greater understanding from tax practitioners regarding the complexities of state tax administration.


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Data Security and Tax Administration Insights with Ryan Minnick, COO at FTA
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02/12/2025

This week on the SALTovation podcast we speak with Ryan Minnick, COO at FTA, about the crucial role The Federation of Tax Administrators plays in connecting tax administration authorities across the United States, encompassing all 50 states and several major municipalities. We delve into the organization's pivotal role in fostering collaboration among tax agencies, emphasizing its efforts to streamline communication and share best practices among its diverse members. Ryan shares how the FTA endeavors to provide vital support and resources to its stakeholders, underscoring the importance of the FTA in navigating the complexities of state and local taxation.

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Grassroots Effort to Simplify Colorado Sales Tax with Paul Archer: Part 2
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01/31/2025

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we continue our conversation with Paul Archer, exploring the complexities of Colorado's sales tax system and the grassroots efforts to simplify it. Paul shares his journey from attending a national political convention to collaborating with key industry leaders in advocating for tax reform. Judy and Paul discuss the formation of a coalition that successfully passed important legislation aimed at improving audit fairness and simplifying sales tax processes. Paul also emphasizes the need for collaboration and long-term planning in driving meaningful change in tax policy and supporting local businesses.

Join the...


Grassroots Effort to Simplify Colorado Sales Tax with Paul Archer
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01/24/2025

This week, Paul Archer joins the SALTovation podcast to discuss his efforts to simplify Colorado's complex sales tax system, which he describes as a significant burden for businesses. Currently serving as a senior missionary in Nairobi, Kenya, Archer shares his journey from being a business owner to advocating for tax reform. He highlights the challenges of navigating a convoluted tax structure that varies widely across municipalities. Archer’s commitment to change began when he recognized the detrimental effects of the existing sales tax system on local businesses and sought to collaborate with legislators and community leaders. Through his experiences an...


Simplifying Sales Tax in Colorado: A Conversation with Legislator Cathy Kipp: Part 2
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01/17/2025

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we continue our conversation with Legislator Cathy Kipp. Her recent election to the Colorado State Senate marks a significant development in Colorado's tax landscape. Cathy discusses the importance of stakeholder engagement, as tax professionals and legislators work together to simplify the tax system for small businesses. The conversation reveals the frustrations faced by taxpayers and the necessity for clear regulations amidst the state's unique home rule provisions. Kathy sheds light on the collective effort to improve tax compliance and ease the burdens on businesses while navigating the intricate legal framework of Colorado's...


Simplifying Sales Tax in Colorado: A Conversation with Legislator Cathy Kipp
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12/20/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we are taking a deep dive into the complexities of Colorado's sales and use tax administration, highlighting ongoing challenges and the need for reform. Legislator Cathy Kipp prepares to take her seat in the Colorado State Senate in January 2025 and discusses the significance of this moment in Colorado's tax landscape. Cathy talks about the importance of stakeholder engagement, as tax professionals and legislators work together to simplify the tax system for small businesses. Listen as Cathy explains many of the frustrations faced by taxpayers and the necessity for clear regulations amidst the...


The Evolution of IPT: Why Tax Education is So Important with Chris Muntifering (Part 2)
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11/18/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we continue our conversation with Chris Muntifering, Executive Director at the Institute for Professionals in Taxation. We explore the role of the Institute for Professionals in Taxation (IPT) and its unique position in the landscape of tax organizations, highlighting how it distinguishes itself from competitors like the Council of State Taxation. Chris discusses the rigorous process behind IPT's advocacy efforts, including the criteria for supporting cases that benefit its members and the importance of engaging younger professionals as the landscape of tax professionals continues to evolve.


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The Evolution of IPT: Why Tax Education is So Important with Chris Muntifering
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11/11/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, Chris Muntifering, Executive Director at the Institute for Professionals in Taxation. Chris shares his journey from a finance graduate to a seasoned tax professional, emphasizing how he fell into property tax and eventually became a key player in IPT. Chris discusses the importance of education in tax management, with IPT providing resources for professionals at all levels, from basic to advanced training across various tax disciplines. Listen this week as we explore the importance of community, mentorship, and continuous learning in the field of taxation.

Key Takeaways:

Chris's journey...


The Importance of Consulting with Industry Veteran Kim Blascoe: Part 2
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10/25/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we continue our conversation with industry veteran Kim Blascoe. Kim discusses the critical need for upskilling talent within public accounting firms to meet the growing demand for advisory services. Kim shares why firms must assess their current skill sets and develop their teams to deliver effective advisory services as the industry shifts from a compliance-focused model to a more client-centric approach. Listen this week as we discuss how firms can adapt to these changes, and navigate the challenges posed by competition, and the increasing complexity of client needs.

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The Importance of Consulting with Industry Veteran Kim Blascoe
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10/11/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, industry veteran Kim Blascoe. With over three decades of experience, Kim shares her professional journey from owning a tax and accounting practice to leading Whipley's national accounting practice and her current role at CPA.com. Kim sheds light on the importance of mentoring in accounting, the strategy behind merging firms, and how to best support CPA firms in their growth and transformation efforts. Listen as we discuss the challenges CPA firms face today, from technology adoption to talent retention.

Key Takeaways:

Mentoring and Career Development: Kim finds immense value...


From Passion to Paycheck: Revolutionizing the CPA Pipeline with Alicia Gelinas Part 2
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09/25/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we continue our conversation with Alicia Gelinas, President & CEO of COCPA. Alicia takes a deep dive into the evolving nature of professional networking, the impact of technology on relationship-building, and the significance of in-person interactions in an increasingly virtual world. With a focus on enhancing the CPA profession, she navigates through the challenges posed by remote work, the Amazon effect, and the need for robust personal connections within the CPA community. Alicia also discusses her vision for the future, aiming to leave a legacy of a connected, supportive, and forward-thinking CPA community.<...


Women to Watch in Sales Tax: Meredith Smith
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09/13/2024

In this episode of the Women to Watch in Sales Tax series, Diane Yetter of the Sales Tax Institute sits down with Meredith Smith, senior tax manager at TaxOps. Meredith shares her journey from starting in public accounting with a focus on income tax to becoming a self-taught sales tax expert at TaxOps. She sheds light on her role within TaxOps' State and Local Tax Group and offers insight into her pride in being adaptable and client-focused in the sales tax domain.

Meredith discusses the importance of being a good listener, particularly in the advisory side of...


From Passion to Paycheck: Revolutionizing the CPA Pipeline with Alicia Gelinas
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09/11/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we speak with Alicia Gelinas, President & CEO of COCPA. Alicia explores the evolving landscape of the accounting profession, the need for better marketing to young professionals, salary disparities, and the importance of creating supportive professional networks. She also touches on the critical role of advocacy and lifelong learning and offers insights into the systemic challenges and solutions facing the field today. Listen this week as Judy and Alicia discuss the critical role of professional associations like the COCPA in advocating for CPAs and enhancing community engagement among accounting professionals. 

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Winning Strategies: How to Approach SALT Litigation with Sam Breslow Part 2
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09/04/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we continue our conversation with Sam Breslow on the complexities of state and local tax regulations, highlighting the challenges of accessing historical tax information, the implications of different source and destination tax laws, and the intricacies of Colorado's local tax system. Through real-world case discussions like Ohio's VBF case and Illinois's leveling the playing field regulations, Sam provides valuable insights for businesses navigating the labyrinth of tax compliance. Listen this week to get expert tips on managing voluntary disclosure agreements and learn about the ongoing efforts to simplify tax!


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Winning Strategies: How to Approach SALT Litigation with Sam Breslow
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08/28/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we speak with Samantha Breslow, a seasoned expert in state and local tax, who is serving as a prominent attorney at HMB, a firm recently acquired by Kilpatrick. Sam shares her thoughts on the intricacies of tax compliance, the significance of maintaining professional relationships, and the hurdles faced when dealing with aggressive tax authorities. Listen as we take a deep dive into the Colorado local tax landscape, revealing the challenges and strategies for navigating the state's unique taxing jurisdictions. 

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Mastering International VAT: Insights from Florian Hanslik, Partner at terraVAT GmbH Part 2
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08/15/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we continue our discussion with Florian Hanslik, a seasoned tax professional specializing in VAT. Listen as we take a brief detour from U.S. taxation to explore European VAT systems. We cover the regulatory framework, audit processes, and the fascinating trajectory of VAT towards digitalization within the EU. Florian provides foresight into the increasing digitalization of VAT compliance and how businesses need to adapt to these evolutionary changes in the tax landscape.

Key Takeaways:

EU VAT Directive and Adaptation: The VAT Directive sets standard guidelines that EU countries must...


Mastering International VAT: Insights from Florian Hanslik, Partner at terraVAT GmbH
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08/01/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we speak with Florian Hanslik, a seasoned tax professional specializing in VAT. Transitioning from a rich background in politics to becoming an indirect tax expert, Florian discusses how his international upbringing and previous work with the European Parliament seeded his deep interest in global tax systems. Florian discusses the importance of understanding VAT in different countries, the role of comprehensive networks, and the need for businesses to be proactive in managing their VAT obligations, especially in an era of rapid e-commerce growth. Florian also notes significant future changes, particularly in the taxation...


Women to Watch in Sales Tax: Tram Le
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07/31/2024

In this enlightening episode of "Women to Watch in Sales Tax," host Diane Yeter sits down with Tram Le, Senior SALT Manager at TaxOps, to delve into the intricacies of state and local tax compliance. Tram shares insights into the multifaceted services provided by TaxOps and underscores the importance of proper tax strategy and audit support. As an expert in the nuanced area of sales tax, Tram's perspective is a must-listen for those navigating this often misunderstood field.

TaxOps is portrayed as a small yet powerful boutique firm that is a one-stop solution for state and local...


Defining and Developing a Sales Tax Automation Cycle with Judy Vorndran (Part 2)
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07/14/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, Judy Vorndran focuses on the current challenges facing the accounting profession, particularly the shrinking pipeline of accountants. Judy highlights how the SALT field offers a dynamic and intellectually stimulating career path. She also discusses the various career trajectories within the field, from litigation to compliance to technology implementation, each presenting unique challenges and opportunities.

*The number of taxing jurisdictions in the U.S. is hard to capture at any one point since it is a moving target. As of June 2024, by some counts, there were over 13,000 taxing jurisdictions combined from 45...


In the Halls of Power & More: Hot Topics with Diane Yetter (Part 2)
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07/09/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, Diane Yetter, President and Founder of YETTER Tax and the Sales Tax Institute shares insights on streamlining tax administration, the impacts of COVID-19 on tax enforcement, and the critical importance of choosing the right tax automation solutions. Diane also addresses the complications arising from differing taxability rules within Colorado, Louisiana, and Arizona, highlighting the need for conformity and how the current tax automation tools often fall short. 

SALTovation listeners can get 10% off Sales Tax Institute training with discount code: SALTovation10

Key Takeaways:

Streamlining Tax Administration: The necessity f...


Defining and Developing a Sales Tax Automation Cycle with Judy Vorndran
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07/02/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, Judy Vorndran discusses the vital role data plays in sales tax compliance, especially in an era where businesses often operate beyond traditional storefronts. She elaborates on why software often fails to completely address tax needs, and takes an in-depth look at the complexities introduced by home rule jurisdictions and how they influence the overall tax compliance profile of a business.

*The number of taxing jurisdictions in the U.S. is hard to capture at any one point since it is a moving target. As of June 2024, by some counts, there...


In the Halls of Power & More: Hot Topics with Diane Yetter
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06/18/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, Diane Yetter, President and Founder of YETTER Tax and the Sales Tax Institute returns to share valuable insights into sales tax education, significant legislative updates, and advances in the industry. Diane discusses the challenges businesses face with Nexus, audit complexities, and the importance of choosing the right sales tax software. She also shares her experience testifying before the U.S Senate Finance Committee, emphasizing the need for standardized e-commerce thresholds and reduced compliance burdens for businesses. 

SALTovation listeners can get 10% off Sales Tax Institute training with discount code: SALTovation10


Unlocking Collaboration and Trust in the Tax Law Community with Nancy Prosser Part 2
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06/04/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we continue our conversation with Nancy Prosser, General Counsel at the Multistate Tax Commission, on the purpose and work of the MTC in promoting uniformity and assisting taxpayers with compliance in state and local tax matters. She explains how the MTC develops model statutes and regulations, and the challenges they face in getting states to adopt them. Nancy also shares insights into the selection process for uniformity projects and highlights the current projects focused on the taxation of digital products and partnerships. 

Listen this week as Nancy addresses the complexities o...


Unlocking Collaboration and Trust in the Tax Law Community with Nancy Prosser
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05/21/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we speak with Nancy Prosser, General Counsel at the Multistate Tax Commission. Nancy shares her experiences navigating through the complexities of introducing major legislative tax changes and discusses the intricacies of rule-making and policy development. She also talks about the importance of collaboration and transparency within the tax community, be it through engaging with different states' revenue departments or fostering constructive dialogues within the MTC.

Listen this week as we take a look at the evolution of tax legislation and policy from the trenches of legal administration to the broader...


Holistic Leadership: Building Community and Embracing Change with Sandra Wiley (Part 2)
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05/07/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we continue our conversation with Sandra Wiley, President of Boomer Consulting - an organization dedicated to guiding CPA firms towards success by leveraging leadership, talent, growth processes, and technology. From the hard truths about work-life balance to the strategic dilemmas CPA firms face, Sandra discusses the importance of embracing change, spreading decision-making power, and having the correct mindset. Listen this week as we talk about the growing significance of the accounting profession and the incredible potential it holds for future generations of professionals.

 

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Holistic Leadership: Building Community and Embracing Change with Sandra Wiley
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04/23/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we speak with Sandra Wiley, President of Boomer Consulting - an organization dedicated to guiding CPA firms towards success by leveraging leadership, talent, growth processes, and technology. Sandra shares her unique perspective and critical strategies that drive CPA firms. Building a connected community through meaningful relationships can enable firms to create a culture that fosters collaboration and allows individuals to thrive. Listen this week as we discuss the progressive edge of CPA firms today, focusing on community, leadership, and diversity.


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Billing Time vs. Delivering Value: Shifting Mindsets in the CPA Industry
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04/11/2024

This episode originally aired on: https://www.boomer.com/post/e174-billing-time-vs-delivering-value-shifting-mindsets-in-the-cpa-industry

On this episode of the Boomer Briefing Podcast, Allen Gregory, Partner, Federal Tax at TaxOps, talks about billing time versus delivering value to clients. Allen and host Marc Staut, Shareholder and Chief Innovation and Technology Officer at Boomer Consulting, dive into how removing hourly rates can add value to client relationships and improve an accounting firm’s client retention.

Allen shares how TaxOps has used value-based pricing since its inception. This experience has taught us how fixed-fee pricing creates collaborative client relationships and a cul...


Challenging California's Underground Regulations: Exploring the ACMA's Advocacy Efforts with Paul Miller (Part 2)
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03/27/2024

This week we continue our discussion with Paul Miller, Vice President & Deputy Director of the ACMA, and David Swetnam-Burland, Partner at Brann & Isaacson. As remote sellers navigate the new state tax laws and consumer privacy regulations, the need for federal legislation to provide clarity and consistency for businesses operating across multiple states has increased. Listen as we discuss the impact of local home rule cities, such as in Colorado, on compliance efforts and how the ACMA advocates for federal solutions to protect their members and promote industry growth. 

Topics discussed in this episode:

The MTC's updated int...


Challenging California's Underground Regulations: Exploring the ACMA's Advocacy Efforts Part 1
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03/08/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, Meredith interviews Paul Miller, Vice President & Deputy Director of the ACMA, and David Swetnam-Burland, Partner at Brann & Isaacson. Both discuss the changes in tax regulations that have taken place after the Wayfair decision, the ACMA's mission, and the legal challenges that businesses face today. They also talk about the efforts being made to address the complications that arose after the Wayfair ruling, which led to a significant shift in sales and use tax obligations for remote sellers.

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The Power of Data: Vertex’s Approach to Keeping Pace with Tax Changes Part 2
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02/29/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we continue our conversation with Mike Bernard, VP of Tax Content and Chief Tax Officer at Vertex, a global provider of indirect tax software solutions. We examine the threefold increase in fee impositions within three years, underpinning the expectation of continued expansion in this domain. We also explore the burgeoning landscape of state and local taxation, where green fees, neighborhood assessments, and intricate policies intertwine with local economies and legislative nuances. Mike also shares insights on the future of sales and use taxes, the impact of commercial real estate devaluation, and the...


The Power of Data: Vertex’s Approach to Keeping Pace with Tax Changes with Mike Bernard
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02/16/2024

In this episode of the SALTovation podcast, we speak with Mike Bernard, VP of Tax Content and Chief Tax Officer at Vertex, a global provider of indirect tax software solutions. As tax complexities increase and technology advances, Mike shares his invaluable insights drawn from his vast experience in the tax domain. We delve into the role of a Chief Tax Officer at a software company, the importance of understanding clients' unique needs, and the challenges of implementing and upgrading tax technology. Mike also shares insights on the future of sales tax compliance and the work Vertex does to advocate...