Health Care Rounds
Smart conversations with the people moving health care forward. Health Care Rounds podcast brings together the leaders changing the future of health care and pharma, from how it's delivered and paid for, to where it's headed. Each episode goes deep on the decisions, innovations, and ideas reshaping the industry from the inside out. Hosted by John Marchica, CEO of Darwin Research Group and a longtime industry insider, every episode has one goal: leave you thinking differently than when you arrived.
What’s Next for Value-Based Care & Health Tech w/ Dr. Patrick Conway, CEO, Optum
Healthcare affordability is the top concern for Americans, and value-based care has been the promised answer for decades. But scaling it across an entire country is a different problem than proving it works.
Dr. Patrick Conway, CEO of Optum, joins host John Marchica, CEO of Darwin Research Group, to discuss what he learned architecting value-based models at CMS and how he is now applying those lessons at national scale, from integrated care in the home to AI-powered clinical tools to making specialty medicines actually affordable for the patients who need them most.
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The Hype and Reality of Medical Breakthroughs w/ Mary Roach, Author, Replaceable You
There's a wide gap between how medical breakthroughs get announced and what they actually do for patients. Few people have spent as much time inside that gap as Mary Roach, the author of eight New York Times bestsellers, including REPLACEABLE YOU: Adventures in Human Anatomy and STIFF: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers.
Mary has spent years reporting on medical innovation and tracing the often complicated journey from scientific breakthrough to real-world impact on patients. More often than not, it’s a journey that’s far messier than the hype would have you believe.
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The Trust-First Model Transforming Medicaid Care w/ Dr. Toyin Ajayi & Mike Roaldi, Cityblock
More than 70 million Americans are covered by Medicaid, and the people with the most complex needs, those juggling mental illness, housing insecurity, and chronic disease simultaneously, are the ones the traditional health care system is least equipped to reach.
Dr. Toyin Ajayi, Co-Founder and CEO, and Mike Roaldi, President of Cityblock Health, join host John Marchica to break down how a trust-first, interdisciplinary care model is producing measurable outcomes for over 100,000 Medicaid and dual-eligible members, and why value-based care may be more essential than ever as federal Medicaid policy undergoes some of its most significant changes in...
Why Nobody is Winning The Payer-Provider AI Arms Race w/ Dr. Marc Harrison, TowerBrook Healthcare Institute
American health care is too expensive, too inconsistent, and too difficult to navigate. And the payer-provider AI arms race that has emerged over the last several years is making all three problems worse, not better.
Dr. Marc Harrison, Chair of the TowerBrook Health Care Institute, former CEO of Intermountain Health, and co-founder of HATCo, joins host John Marchica to examine why the health care system remains stubbornly stuck in an analog model and how AI-driven abundance could finally close the gap between the care Americans need and the care they can actually access.
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Mailbag: Virtual Nurses, Bundled Payments, and Single Payer
On this week's mailbag, John tackles three reader questions: How are health systems using AI to address the nursing shortage, and do these solutions solve the underlying problem? Are bundled payments becoming the norm for value-based payment models, and what does CMS's shift toward mandatory models like TEAM and CJR-X mean for providers and suppliers? And will the U.S. ever become a Canadian-style, single-payer system?
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Real Health Care Happens Between Doctor Visits w/ Wei-Li Shao, President, Omada Health
Between 80% and 90% of health outcomes are shaped by what happens between doctor visits. Yet the entire U.S. health care system, from payment models to primary care, is built around the visit itself.
Wei-Li Shao, President of Omada Health, joins host John Marchica to break down why persistent, in-between-visit care is the missing layer in chronic disease management, and how pairing GLP-1 therapy with the right behavioral support program could be one of the most powerful levers the health care system has yet to fully pull.
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🎙 ABOUT WEI-LI SHAO
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When MisInformation Becomes a Health Crisis w/ Dr. Joshua Sharfstein, Johns Hopkins
Health misinformation is no longer a fringe problem on the margins of public health. It has a measurable body count, and the systems that once reliably corrected it, local journalism, trusted institutions, and federal health agencies, are eroding fast.
Dr. Joshua Sharfstein, Vice Dean for Public Health Practice and Community Engagement and Distinguished Professor of the Practice at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, and co-author of "Information Sick," joins host John Marchica to examine why the collapse of local news and the flood of health misinformation now constitute a public health crisis in their...
Mailbag: Debunking Vaccines Myths
A few weeks ago we conducted a survey of Our Take readers that included both listeners to our podcast and those who don’t (the latter group, we assume, was interested enough to complete a survey). We asked for questions you would like John to answer, and we got some great ones, including today’s question about vaccines and the long-debunked link between the MMR vaccine and autism spectrum disorder. In this first mailbag episode, John reviews the evidence, calls out the "revised" CDC website, and provides his thoughts on the cost of misinformation and disinformation — and what to do abo...
Health Care's Affordability Crisis Is Getting Worse w/ Larry Levitt, CEO-Elect & EVP, KFF
Health care is 18% of U.S. GDP, the number one affordability concern for consumers, and the single biggest line item employers are trying to manage. Every major policy fight in American health care, at its core, comes down to money and who bears the cost.
Larry Levitt, incoming CEO of KFF and one of the most trusted nonpartisan voices in health policy, joins host John Marchica to examine why value-based care has yet to deliver on its promise, and why a deepening public distrust in science and health institutions may be the most dangerous obstacle standing between...
Are We Measuring Health Care Quality All Wrong? w/ Dr. Rachel Werner, Professor of Medicine, UPenn
Decades of quality measurement programs were designed to make U.S. health care better. The evidence suggests they have, just not nearly as much as anyone hoped, and sometimes in ways that hurt the patients who needed help most.
Dr. Rachel Werner, Professor of Medicine, Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, joins host John Marchica to examine why well-designed quality incentives so often produce unintended consequences, and why the long-term care system, despite years of reform attempts, remains structurally broken.
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Mailbag: The State of Value-Based Health Care
After a year of interviews about value-based care, the same things keep coming up. Fee-for-service is still the problem. Payers want to pay less, providers want to bill more. And twenty years in, the people who helped build value-based care are grading it a C-minus.
In his first solo episode, host John Marchica goes back through the transcripts and pulls out what guests agree on: the problems value-based care is trying to fix, the fixes they keep proposing — mandatory participation, full-risk capitation, payer-provider integration — how it's going so far, and where the real progress is likely to come...
Why Health Care Reform Keeps Falling Short w/ Dr. Elliott Fisher, Dartmouth Institute
Decades after the research that proved high-spending regions don't produce better care, and 20 years after the term "accountable care organization" was coined, the U.S. health care system still runs overwhelmingly on fee-for-service. The incentives haven't changed, and the results show it.
Dr. Elliott Fisher, Professor of Health Policy at the Dartmouth Institute and the Geisel School of Medicine and the researcher who coined the term ACO, joins host John Marchica for a frank look at why value-based care has fallen short of its promise, and whether a public utility model for health care regulation might be...
Inside the Rural Health Transformation Program w/ Dr. Tim Ferris, InterSystems
Rural hospitals in the U.S. have been closing at a steady pace for over 50 years, and the country now has one of the lowest rates of acute hospital beds per capita among OECD nations. A five-year, $50 billion federal program aims to slow the bleeding, but it may only be a stopgap.
Dr. Tim Ferris, Vice President of the Health Care Practice at InterSystems and former National Director of Transformation for the NHS in England, joins host John Marchica to unpack the Rural Health Transformation Program, why value-based care models built for large health systems don't translate t...
The Affordability Crisis Behind Value-Based Care w/ Dr. Michael Chernew, Harvard
U.S. health care spending keeps rising, quality scores keep climbing, and yet the care most Americans receive has barely improved. The measurement systems designed to drive better outcomes may be making things worse.
Dr. Michael Chernew, Professor of Health Care Policy at Harvard Medical School and former Chair of MedPAC, joins host John Marchica to examine why decades of quality measurement have failed to move the needle on actual care quality, and whether value-based payment models can survive the incentive distortions they were built to fix.
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Why Patient-First Culture Is a Business Strategy w/ Don Calcagno, Founder, ValuesEdge
Value-based care has been the defining promise of health care reform for two decades. Yet new evidence still takes an average of 17 years to reach standard clinical practice, payers and providers remain structurally misaligned, and most VBC models still prioritize payment mechanics over actual patient outcomes.
Don Calcagno, Founder of ValuesEdge and former Chief Population Health Officer at Advocate Health, joins host John Marchica to talk about why value-based care is still in the early innings despite years of promise, and how closing the structural gap between payers and providers is the real unlock that the industry k...
Why Membership Medicine Could Save Primary Care w/ Larry Kutscher, CEO, MDVIP
Primary care physicians are burning out, and patients are paying the price. With the average primary care visit lasting just 15 minutes, the volume-based treadmill is pushing doctors out of the profession and leaving patients without meaningful, preventive care.
Larry Kutscher, CEO of MDVIP, joins host John Marchica to make the case for a fundamentally different model. They dig into why membership medicine may be the structural fix that value-based care never delivered, and how reducing patient panels from thousands to hundreds could be the key to restoring both physician fulfillment and long-term patient outcomes.
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Why Health Care Treats Instead of Prevents w/ Dr. Barry R. Davis, Author, The Preventioneers
Health care spends trillions treating disease, but far less preventing it. The gap between what we know works and what actually gets implemented may be the most expensive problem in medicine.
Dr. Barry Davis, physician, professor, and author of Preventioneers, joins host John Marchica to explore why prevention so rarely makes it from research to reality, and what it would take for health system leaders to finally close that gap. ================================================
🎙 ABOUT DR. BARRY R. DAVIS
Barry R. Davis is a physician-scientist, biostatistician, and clinical trialist whose career has centered on prevention — not only as a medica...
What’s Really Holding Back Value-Based Care? w/ David Snow, Chairman & CEO, Cedar Gate Technologies
Value-based care has been the goal for decades. So why does it still feel like we're moving in slow motion? The answer may come down to data, incentives, and the willingness to cross what one industry veteran calls "the rickety bridge over a chasm of death."
David Snow, Chairman and CEO, Cedar Gate Technologies, an IQVIA Business joins host John Marchica to discuss why technology has finally caught up to the promise of value-based care, how prospective bundles are changing the game for providers and payers, and what it will take to move American health care past t...
Rebuilding Pediatric Care From the Ground Up w/ Danish Qureshi, Founder & CEO, Zarminali Pediatrics
Pediatric care is one of the most fragmented and underfunded corners of the American health system. Parents are left as de facto care coordinators, specialists work in silos, and children with complex needs fall through the cracks. What would it look like to actually fix that?
Danish Qureshi, Founder and CEO, Zarminali Pediatrics joins host John Marchica to discuss the personal experience that sparked a new model for pediatric care, why fragmentation in pediatrics is a problem the system has ignored for too long, and what it takes to build an integrated multi-specialty practice designed around children...
Lessons From Leading a Safety Net Hospital w/ Tesa Anewishki, President & CEO, Loretto Hospital
On Chicago's West Side, a 100-year-old safety net hospital serves a community where the average life expectancy is 20 years shorter than it is just seven minutes away. Loretto Hospital collects 32 cents on the dollar, runs on 84% Medicaid, and still finds ways to innovate, collaborate, and show up for people that the rest of the system has left behind.
Tesa Anewishki, CEO, Loretto Hospital joins host John Marchica to discuss what it really takes to lead a safety net hospital, how community-rooted care models are closing the gap on health disparities, and why collaboration beats competition when people's l...
How the VA Proved The Pharma Model Wrong w/ Dr. Eric Scott, U.S. Dept. of Veteran Affairs
The VA is one of the largest integrated health systems in the country, but it operates unlike anything in the private sector. What can pharmacy leaders and health system executives learn from an organization that has embedded pharmacists into clinical care for decades, given them prescriptive privileges, and built virtual urgent care teams from the ground up?
Dr. Eric Scott, Former Chief of Pharmacy, US Department of Veterans Affairs, joins Health Care Rounds to discuss what makes the VA uniquely positioned to innovate, how the evolving role of pharmacists challenges private sector norms, and what a mission-driven h...
How Health Systems Build Elite Clinical Leaders w/ Dr. Jonathan Stallkamp, CMO, Main Line Health
Physician leadership can make or break a health system. What does it really take to earn doctors’ trust and move an organization forward?
Dr. Jonathan Stallkamp, Chief Medical Officer of Main Line Health, joins host John Marchica to discuss building physician engagement, developing future clinical leaders, and strengthening culture inside a complex health system.
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🎙 ABOUT JONATHAN STALLKAMP
Dr. Jonathan Stallkamp serves as Senior Vice President and Chief Medical Officer for Main Line Health. Dr. Stallkamp, a leader focused on safe, high-quality and equitable care, joined the System in 2005.
As the Chief Medi...
A New Blueprint for Rural Health Care w/ Natalie L. Baggio, President, Corewell Health South
Regional health leaders are being asked to do the impossible right now: deliver on systemwide strategy while staying deeply responsive to the realities on the ground. In rural markets especially, the pressures around access, staffing, and infrastructure are forcing health systems to rethink what “care delivery” looks like in practice.
Natalie Baggio, President, Corewell Health South joins Health Care Rounds host John Marchica, CEO of Darwin Research Group, to discuss balancing local priorities with system strategy, strengthening workforce pipelines to improve retention and reduce burnout, and expanding access through partnerships and new care models.
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Standing Strong as an Independent Health System w/ Dr. Allen Smith & Dr. Sam Ash, South Shore Health
Independent community health systems are under increasing pressure as health care continues to consolidate. What does it really take to remain independent while continuing to deliver high-quality care at scale?
Dr. Allen Smith, President & CEO, and Dr. Sam Ash, CIO of South Shore Health join Health Care Rounds host John Marchica, to discuss maintaining independence as a community health system, building connected infrastructure across care settings, and approaching technology adoption with discipline and purpose.
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🎙 ABOUT ALLEN L. SMITH, MD, MS
Allen L. Smith is President and CEO of South Shore...
Making Health Care Costs Simple and Transparent w/ Mark Cuban, Co-Founder, Cost Plus Drugs
We’re ringing in 2026 with Mark Cuban!
Prescription pricing remains one of the most opaque and frustrating parts of the health care system, leaving employers, providers, and patients struggling to understand where costs come from and who truly benefits.
Mark Cuban joins Health Care Rounds to talk about why prescription pricing became so complex, how a lack of transparency drives higher costs, and how his company Cost Plus Drugs is stripping away unnecessary layers and markups to deliver simpler, more predictable pricing built on trust.
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Physician Leadership in a New Era of Health Care w/ Dr. Sowmya Viswanathan, Baycare
Health systems are facing unprecedented pressure as physician burnout, workforce shortages, population growth, and rapid technology adoption collide. Leaders are being asked to improve care quality, support clinicians, and transform delivery models all at once.
Dr. Sowmya Viswanathan, Chief Physician Executive at BayCare Health System, joins Health Care Rounds podcast to discuss physician engagement and burnout, BayCare’s shift toward academic medicine, how technology and AI can restore joy in practice, and why flexible physician alignment models are critical for the future of care.
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🎙 ABOUT THE DR. SOWMYA VISWANATHAN
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Why Primary Care Is Under Strain w/ Dr. Greg Whisman, Chief Medical Officer, CareMore Health
Primary care sits at the center of American health care, yet clinicians face mounting burnout, shrinking margins, and a system that often rewards procedures over prevention. With physician shortages growing and patient needs rising, the future of primary care is at a crossroads.
Dr. Greg Whisman, Chief Medical Officer at CareMore Health, joins Health Care Rounds to discuss the pressures driving the primary care crisis, why reimbursement and workforce models need a reset, and how team-based care, tech enablement, and value-based strategies can restore sustainability and meaning to frontline medicine.
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Why Health Care Reform Keeps Failing w/ Dr. David Shulkin
Behind every headline about rising premiums is a deeper truth: our health care system is structurally unsustainable.
In this episode of Health Care Rounds Podcast, former US Secretary of Veteran Affairs, Dr. David Shulkin, explains why real reform requires more than subsidies and payment tweaks. We cover everything from misaligned incentives to lessons from the VA’s population-based model and what it’ll take to actually fix U.S. health care.
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🎙 ABOUT THE DR. DAVID SHULKIN
The Honorable David J. Shulkin was nominated by President Trump to serve as the ninth Sec...
The New Model for Specialty Pharmacy w/ Jigar Thakkar, PharmD
Specialty pharmacy plays a critical role in patient outcomes, but health systems often struggle to manage operations effectively while maintaining continuity of care.
In this episode of Health Care Rounds, host John Marchica talks with Jigar Thakkar, PharmD, CEO of Longitude Rx, about how his company is helping leading health systems reimagine specialty pharmacy through technology, data integration, and partnership.
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🎙 ABOUT JIGAR THAKKAR, PHARMD
Jigar is leading Longitude Rx, the first launched solution from Longitude Health. Previously, he built a $470 million specialty pharmacy at OU Health, served as Managing Director at FTI Cons...
Making Value-Based Care Work at Scale w/ David Carmouche, MD
Across the country, health systems are chasing the promise of value-based care, but few have figured out how to make it work.
David Carmouche, MD, Executive Vice President and Chief Clinical Transformation Officer at Lumeris, joins host John Marchica to discuss what it really takes to make value-based care work at scale.
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🎙 ABOUT DAVID CARMOUCHE
David Carmouche, MD, is the Executive Vice President & Chief Clinical Transformation Officer at Lumeris. Dr. Carmouche is a visionary leader in transformational healthcare delivery, with a unique blend of provider, payer, retail, and integrated delivery network leadership exper...
Curing Nursing Burnout Through Education w/ Dr. Adele Webb
Burnout among health care workers remains a critical issue years after the height of COVID-19.
In this episode of Health Care Rounds, Dr. Adele Webb, Executive Dean of Healthcare Initiatives at Strategic Education, Inc. shares insights from a national survey of health care workers, revealing what’s really driving nursing burnout and how education can help retain talent.
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🎙 ABOUT DR. ADELE WEBB
Adele Webb earned her Bachelor of Science in Nursing degree from the University of Akron, her Master’s in Nursing from The Ohio State University, and her Ph.D. in Nursing f...
The New Rules of Health System Leadership w/ John D’Angelo, MD, FACEP
What does it take to lead 100,000 health care workers through constant disruption?
In this episode of Health Care Rounds, host John Marchica sits down with John D’Angelo, MD, FACEP, President & CEO of Northwell Health, to discuss his journey from physician to chief executive. Dr. D'Angelo shares critical lessons learned from managing COVID-19 surges, his vision for maintaining organizational culture across 100,000 employees, and where he sees the greatest opportunities in healthcare delivery.
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🎙 ABOUT JOHN D’ANGELO, MD, FACEP
A physician first and foremost, Dr. John D’Angelo leads with compassion. With over...
Fighting Back Against Insurance Denials w/ Neal Shah
Insurance denials are exploding, and they’re costing lives.
In this episode of Health Care Rounds, host John Marchica sits down with Neal Shah, CEO of CareYaya and Counterforce Health, to unpack the broken insurance system and the AI-driven surge in claim rejections. Neal shares how his personal caregiving experiences shaped his mission, why most patients never appeal, and how new tools can help level the playing field for families, physicians, and hospitals.
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🎙 ABOUT NEAL SHAH
America's Chief Elder Officer. CEO of CareYaya Health Technologies. Working hard to improve health...
Treating Healthcare's Misinformation Problem w/ Dr. Geeta Nayyar
Why do people trust Google and TikTok more than their doctors?
Dr. Geeta Nayyar, MD, MBA, the author of Dead Wrong: Diagnosing and Treating Healthcare's Misinformation Illness, joins the show to break down how misinformation spreads, why patient trust continues to decline, and what health leaders must do to lead the cure.
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🎙 ABOUT DR. GEETA NAYYAR
Geeta Nayyar, MD, MBA, is a globally recognized chief medical officer, technologist, and bestselling author who helps leaders leverage a human approach to innovation, including rapid advances in AI, to achieve better health and busin...
The Truth About PBMs and Drug Pricing w/ Dr. Alan Pannier
Pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs) play a pivotal role in drug pricing, yet their practices often remain shrouded in a black box of rebates, spread pricing, and misaligned incentives. In this installment of our Pharma Series, Alan Pannier, Senior Vice President of Product Strategy at SmithRx, breaks down how legacy PBMs use opaque contracts and vertical integration to drive up costs, why employers are beginning to push back, and how transparent, cost-based models are reshaping the future of pharmacy benefits.
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🎙 ABOUT ALAN PANNIER
Alan Pannier, Pharm D,MBA has extensive experience in the pha...
How Health Systems Win in Specialty Pharmacy w/ Dr. Tim Affeldt
Specialty pharmacy is big business. And while PBMs and big pharma dominate the spotlight, health systems are quietly carving out their own advantage.
In this episode of Health Care Rounds, host, John Marchica, sits down with Tim Affeldt, PharmD, Vice President, Specialty/Infusion Operations, Fairview Pharmacy Services, to unpack why health systems don’t just belong in specialty pharmacy - they may be unqiuely positioned to lead it.
From tighter care integration and faster clinical decisions to improved outcomes and patient experience, Dr. Affeldt lays out a clear case: when pharmacists are embedded in the care...
Better Health Policy Starts with Better Data w/ David C. Radley, Ph.D., M.P.H.
What happens when state health policymakers lose access to the very data they rely on?
In this episode of Health Care Rounds, John Marchica talks with David C. Radley, Ph.D., M.P.H., Director of Data and Analytics at The Center for Evidence-Based Policy and Senior Scientist at the Commonwealth Fund. They explore how states use administrative data to make informed Medicaid decisions, and why recent threats to public data infrastructure could undermine that progress.
Dr. Radley breaks down how his team turns raw data into actionable insights, how states are planning for the...
Building Sustainable Primary Care for Seniors w/ Tom Yackel, MD, MPH, MS, MBA
Value-based care isn’t a new idea—but making it work in today’s fragmented system is anything but simple. In this episode of Health Care Rounds, John Marchica talks with Dr. Tom Yackel, Chief Clinical Excellence Officer at CenterWell Senior Primary Care, about what it really takes to deliver high-quality, cost-effective care to Medicare patients.
Dr. Yackel shares insights from his decades-long career in primary care, informatics, and practice leadership, explaining how CenterWell is scaling value-based care models in communities that need it most. From the business realities of Medicare Advantage to why primary care must be run...
How Patient-Reported Outcomes Create Value and Improve Health w/ Trafford Crump, Ph.D
Value-based care is more than just a buzzword - it’s a fundamental shift in how we measure success in health care. In this episode of Health Care Rounds, John Marchica sits down with Dr. Trafford Crump, Associate Professor at McGill University, to discuss how patient-reported outcomes (PROs) can help us better understand the value of care from the patient’s perspective. Trafford explains where PROs fit into clinical trials, delivery systems, and the broader goals of value-based care and why measuring what actually matters to patients is harder (and more important) than it looks.
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Pharmacy as a Strategic Asset in Health Systems w/ Dr. Tyson Frodin, AVP of Pharmacy, MultiCare
In another installment of our Pharma Series, we're joined by Dr. Tyson Frodin, Assistant Vice President of Pharmacy at MultiCare, to explore the evolving role of pharmacy in health care. Tyson shares insights from his diverse career path - from his early experience in telehealth on a Navajo reservation, to leading pharmacy initiatives at a top health system in the Pacific Northwest. They dive into the challenges of critical access hospitals, the importance of innovation in pharmacy, and how MultiCare is leveraging technology to improve patient care.
🎙 ABOUT DR. TYSON FRODIN
Dr. Tyson Frod...