You Are Not So Smart

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You Are Not So Smart is a show about psychology that celebrates science and self delusion. In each episode, we explore what we've learned so far about reasoning, biases, judgments, and decision-making.

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346 - No Nocebo Effect - Helen Pilcher
346 - No Nocebo Effect - Helen Pilcher episode artwork
Today at 4:59 AM

The suffering is real, but the source may not be what you assume. That's the essence of the nocebo effect, the placebo effect's evil twin. As neuroscientist Dr. Helen Pilcher explains, illness is not simply a matter of biology. Our thoughts, conscious or otherwise, can make lead to symptoms in unexpected ways. 

Previous Episodes

How Minds Change

Dr. Helen Pilcher

This Book May Cause Side Effects

David McRaney’s Twitter

David McRaney’s BlueSky

YANSS Twitter

YANSS Facebook

Newsletter

Patre...


345 - A Pox on Fools - Thomas Levenson
345 - A Pox on Fools - Thomas Levenson episode artwork
08/03/2026

MIT professor Thomas Levenson, the author of the book A Pox on Fools, takes us through the same repeating patterns throughout history which have led to antivaxxers and vaccine hesitancy since the very first vaccines.

Previous Episodes

How Minds Change

Thomas Levenson

A Pox on Fools

A History of Vaccines

David McRaney’s Twitter

David McRaney's BlueSky

YANSS Twitter

YANSS Facebook

Newsletter

Patreon


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344 - Intellectual Humility - Tenelle Porter
344 - Intellectual Humility - Tenelle Porter episode artwork
08/03/2026

Can intellectual humility be measured? What influences it and affects it, limits it and enhances it? What even is it, scientifically speaking? We explore all of this and then play an episode of How to Be A Better Human featuring psychologist Tenelle Porter telling comedian Chris Duffy how she is researching how to conduct better research into intellectual humility.

Previous Episodes

Transcript at TED

How to Be A Better Human

The Gateway Drugs to Intellectual Humility

Tenelle Porter's Research

Tenelle Porter's Website

The Illusion of...


343 - Misguided - Matthew Facciani
343 - Misguided - Matthew Facciani episode artwork
07/06/2026

What is misinformation? How does it differ from disinformation or just plain ‘ole propaganda? How do we protect ourselves from people with nefarious intentions using all of these things to affect our thoughts, feelings, and behavior? That’s what we discuss in this episode with Matthew Facciani, social scientist and author of Misguided: Where Misinformation Starts, How it Spreads, and What We Can Do About It.

Matthew Facciani's Website

The Misguided Podcast

Misguided

Kitted Shop

The Story of Kitted

How Minds Change

David McRaney's BlueSky

<...


342 - The Conspiracy Theorist Who Changed His Mind
342 - The Conspiracy Theorist Who Changed His Mind episode artwork
06/22/2026

Tim Harford of the podcast Cautionary Tales sits down with David McRaney to hear a story from David's book, How Minds Change, about how (and why) a prominent conspiracy theorist realized he was wrong.

Charlie Veitch was certain that 9/11 was an inside job. The attack on the World Trade Center wasn’t the work of Al-Qaeda, but an elaborate conspiracy. He became a darling of so-called “9/11 truthers” until he actually visited Ground Zero to meet architects, engineers and the relatives of the dead.

The trip changed his mind. His fellow “truthers” did not take Charlie’s conversion...


341 - Positive Rants - Heather Barnes
341 - Positive Rants - Heather Barnes episode artwork
06/08/2026

Communications professor Heather Barnes teaches us how to use what she learned teaching at Second City, managing the Museum of Science and Industry, and taking classes at the Alan Alda Center for Communicating Science to truly engage with difficult people through the power of positive rants.

Kitted

Previous Episodes

How Minds Change

Heather Barnes

Improv@Work

Second City

The Center for Enlightened Disagreement

Alan Alda Center for Communicating Science

David McRaney’s Twitter

David McRaney’s BlueSky

YANS...


340 - Thinking Sideways - Jennifer Shahade
340 - Thinking Sideways - Jennifer Shahade episode artwork
05/25/2026

There are more possible chess moves than atoms in the universe, and chess champion Jennifer Shahade tells us how we can borrow from the best chess players' decision-tree approach to avoid considering every possible option and instead "think sideways" to consider the best choices on the board.

Previous Episodes

How Minds Change

Jennifer Shahade’s Website

Thinking Sideways

Does chess need intelligence?

David McRaney’s Twitter

David McRaney's BlueSky

YANSS Twitter

YANSS Facebook

Newsletter

Patreon


Ho...


339 - Enlightened Disagreement
339 - Enlightened Disagreement episode artwork
05/11/2026

Northwestern University just launched the Litowitz Center for Enlightened Disagreement, a real-world institution devoted to "research-backed approaches to cultivating open-mindedness, identifying one’s own cognitive biases, working collaboratively with others despite disagreement and more."

In this episode, David McRaney details his time as a resident of the Center, teaching students how to ask questions that activate a person's introspection, and then follow up with questions that evoke a person's motivated reasoning, then keep going until the other side articulates things they may have never considered before, and, in so doing, reveal the deeper motivations and values generating di...


338 - May Contain Lies - Alex Edmans (rebroadcast)
338 - May Contain Lies - Alex Edmans (rebroadcast) episode artwork
04/27/2026

Alex Edmans, a professor of finance at London Business School, tells us how to avoid the Ladder of Misinference by examining how narratives, statistics, and articles can mislead, especially when they align with our preconceived notions and confirm what we believe is true, assume is true, and wish were true.

Alex Edmans 

May Contain Lies

What to Test in a Post Trust World

How Minds Change

David McRaney’s Twitter

David McRaney’s BlueSky

YANSS Twitter

YANSS Facebook

Newsletter

Kitte...


337 - Cognitive Surrender - Gideon Nave and Steven D. Shaw
337 - Cognitive Surrender - Gideon Nave and Steven D. Shaw episode artwork
04/13/2026

How is AI reshaping human reasoning? What is cognitive surrender, and how do we avoid its negative impact? What is system three thinking, and how can we get the most out of it? Artificial intelligence researchers Gideon Nave and Steven D. Shaw have some answers, some questions, and some suggestions.

Previous Episodes

Thinking: Fast, Slow, and Artificial

Gideon Nave's Website

Steven D. Shaw's Website

How Minds Change

David McRaney’s Twitter

David McRaney's BlueSky

YANSS Twitter

YANSS Facebook

Newsletter

...


336 - The 3.5 Percent Rule - Erica Chenoweth (rebroadcast)
336 - The 3.5 Percent Rule - Erica Chenoweth (rebroadcast) episode artwork
03/30/2026

If you want to overthrow a dictator, resist an authoritarian regime, or create a movement that can change the national status quo, you don't need half the country, you only need 3.5 percent of the population to join – but there are some caveats, and Erica Chenoweth whose research led to the discovery of the 3.5 Percent Rule, explains them to us in this episode.

Previous Episodes

Erica Chenoweth's Website

Why Civil Resistance Works (the paper)

Why Civil Resistance Works (the book)

The TED Talk

The Q&A

Li...


335 - Align Your Mind - Britt Frank (rebroadcast)
335 - Align Your Mind - Britt Frank (rebroadcast) episode artwork
03/16/2026

Therapist, teacher, speaker, and trauma specialist Britt Frank tells us all about her new book, Align Your Mind, an all-access pass to understanding, befriending, and leading the multiple voices within yourself.

Grounded in the latest research on Parts Work and Internal Family Systems, and offering proven techniques from Frank’s clinical practice and personal challenges, this engaging guide is a user manual to your own mind—and presents a road map for finding peace, confidence, and a deeper understanding of who you truly are.

Patreon

Previous Episodes

Britt Frank’s Practice

...


334 - Magical Thinking - Matt Tompkins (rebroadcast)
334 - Magical Thinking - Matt Tompkins (rebroadcast) episode artwork
03/02/2026

In this episode, the story of Clever Hans, the horse who changed psychology for the better. We also sit down with psychologist and magician Matt Tompkins. Matt is the author of The Spectacle of Illusion, a book about the long history of the manipulation of our own magical thinking and how studying deception can help us better understand perception, memory, belief, and more.

How Minds Change

David McRaney’s BlueSky

David McRaney’s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Matt Tompkins

The Spectacle of Illusion

Prisoners of Silence

<...


YANSS 333 - Selective Perception - Jay Van Bavel
YANSS 333 - Selective Perception - Jay Van Bavel episode artwork
02/16/2026

How can two people watch the same video yet see two different things? How can two people witness the same event but arrive at two different truths about what they witnessed? How can the same evidence lead people to drastically different realities? In this episode, Dr. Jay Van Bavel at NYU explains.

Kitted Executive Academy

The Power of Us Website

They Saw A Game

Jay Van Bavel’s Twitter

Jay Van Bavel’s Website

How Minds Change

David McRaney’s Twitter

David McRaney’s BlueSk...


332 - Concordance Over Truth Bias (rebroadcast)
332 - Concordance Over Truth Bias (rebroadcast) episode artwork
02/02/2026

In this episode, we sit down with three disinformation researchers whose new paper found something surprising about both our resistance and our susceptibility to both true news we wish was fake and fake news we wish was true.

Our guests are three of the scientists exploring a newly named cognitive distortion, one that every human being is prone to exhibiting, one that is so common and so easily provoked that nefarious actors depend on it when distributing disinformation and propaganda.

Samuel Woolley, Katie Joseff, and Michael Schwalbe will share their methods, findings, and takeaways. They...


331 - Wicked Problems - Martin Carcasson
331 - Wicked Problems - Martin Carcasson episode artwork
01/19/2026

Dr. Martin Carcasson tells us how he, as the Director of the Center for Public Deliberation at Colorado State, trains people how to facilitate deliberation and overcome wicked problems so that they can "spark processes that are particularly designed to avoid triggering the worst in human nature and tap into the best."

Kitted Executive Academy

The Center for Public Deliberation

The Listen First Coalition

Better Together America

Martin Carcasson

The Toulmin Model

Wicked Problems

How Minds Change

David McRaney’s Twitter


330 - A More Beautiful Question - Warren Berger (rebroadcast)
330 - A More Beautiful Question - Warren Berger (rebroadcast) episode artwork
01/05/2026

Warren Berger has made a career out of classifying, categorizing, and making sense of the many varieties of questions that we ask and in this episode he explains how we can ask more beautiful questions that can lead to all manner of better outcomes.

Warren Berger's Website

Warren Berger's Twitter

A More Beautiful Question

Carl Sagan on Asking Questions

Neil deGrasse Tyson Explains Why The Sky Is Blue

The Real Reason the Sky is Blue

How Does Rayleigh Scattering ACTUALLY Work? (The Blue Sky)

<...


329 - Point Taken - Steven Franconeri
329 - Point Taken - Steven Franconeri episode artwork
12/22/2025

Dr. Steven Franconeri explains the powerful insights and opportunities offered by a game he and his team created for having better disagreements about just about anything, but especially about the sort of topics that often lead to arguments, fights, and terrible holiday dinners.

Kitted Executive Academy

Point Taken

The Visual Thinking Lab

Steven Franconeri

How Minds Change

David McRaney’s Twitter

David McRaney’s BlueSky

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon


Hosted by Simplecast, an A...


328 - Shape - Jordan Ellenberg (rebroadcast)
328 - Shape - Jordan Ellenberg (rebroadcast) episode artwork
12/08/2025

We sit down with Jordan Ellenberg, a world-class geometer, who takes us on a far-ranging exploration of the power of geometry, which turns out to help us think better about practically everything

His writing has appeared in Slate, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Boston Globe, and he is the New York Times bestselling author of How Not to Be Wrong – but in this episode we will discuss his new book, Shape: The hidden geometry of information, biology, strategy, democracy and everything else.

Kitted Executive Academy

Jo...


327 - The Trolley Solution - Joshua Greene
327 - The Trolley Solution - Joshua Greene episode artwork
11/24/2025

Philosopher, neuroscientist, and psychologist, Joshua Greene tells us how the brain generates morality and how his research may have solved the infamous trolley problem, and in so doing created a way to encourage people to contribute to charities that do the most good, and, in addition, play quiz games that can reduce polarization and possibly save democracy.

Kitted Executive Academy

Pods Fight Poverty

Give Directly

Giving Multiplier

Joshua Greene's Website

Moral Tribes

The Trolley Problem in Real Life

A Buddhist Monk Faces The...


326 - The Origin of Language - Madeleine Beekman
326 - The Origin of Language - Madeleine Beekman episode artwork
11/10/2025

We sit down with Dr. Madeleine Beekman, a professor emerita of evolutionary biology and behavioral ecology at the University of Sydney, Australia, whose new book, The Origin of Language, presents a completely new and fascinating theory for how language emerged in homo sapiens, in human beings, in you and me and the rest of us.

Madeleine Beekman

How Minds Change

David McRaney’s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon


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325 - Cognitive Dissonance - Part Two (rebroadcast)
325 - Cognitive Dissonance - Part Two (rebroadcast) episode artwork
10/27/2025

In this episode we welcome Dr. Sarah Stein Lubrano, a political scientist who studies how cognitive dissonance affects all sorts of political behavior. She’s also the co-host of a podcast about activism called "What Do We Want?" and she wrote a book titled Don’t Talk About Politics which is about how to discuss politics without necessarily talking about politics.

Sarah Stein Lubrano's Website

Sarah Stein Lubrano's Substack

Sarah Stein Lubrano's Twitter

Kitted

How Minds Change

David McRaney’s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show N...


324 - Cognitive Dissonance - Part One (rebroadcast)
324 - Cognitive Dissonance - Part One (rebroadcast) episode artwork
10/13/2025

In this episode, the story of a doomsday cult who predicted the exact date and circumstances of the end of the world, and what happened when that date passed and the world did not end.

Also, we explore our drive to remain consistent via our desire to reduce cognitive dissonance. When you notice you’ve done something you believe is wrong, then you will either stop doing that thing or stop believing it is wrong. And if you believe something is true but you come across some information that disconfirms that belief, you’ll either change your beli...


323 - Job Therapy - Tessa West (rebroadcast)
323 - Job Therapy - Tessa West (rebroadcast) episode artwork
09/29/2025

Are you unhappy at your job? Are you starting to consider a change of career because of how your current work makes you feel? Do you know why? 

According to our guest in this episode, Dr. Tessa West, a psychologist at NYU, if you are currently contemplating whether you want to do the work that you do everyday you should know that although this feeling is common, psychologists who study this sort of thing have discovered that our narratives for why we feel this way are often just rationalizations and justifications.

In fact, it turns o...


322 - Intellectual Humility - Tenelle Porter
322 - Intellectual Humility - Tenelle Porter episode artwork
09/15/2025

Can intellectual humility be measured? What influences it and affects it, limits it and enhances it? What even is it, scientifically speaking? We explore all of this and then play an episode of How to Be A Better Human featuring psychologist Tenelle Porter telling comedian Chris Duffy how she is researching how to conduct better research into intellectual humility.

Previous Episodes

Transcript at TED

How to Be A Better Human

The Gateway Drugs to Intellectual Humility

Tenelle Porter's Research

Tenelle Porter's Website

The Illusion of...


321 - Easy Crafts for the Insane - Kelly Williams Brown (rebroadcast)
321 - Easy Crafts for the Insane - Kelly Williams Brown (rebroadcast) episode artwork
09/01/2025

This episode is about suicide prevention and awareness. Author Kelly Williams Brown tells us about her book, Easy Crafts for the Insane, in which she recounts how, after she gained fame and success as a NYT bestselling author, her world came apart. Then an anti-anxiety-drug-induced manic state nearly ended her life.

988

Suicide Prevention Month

Kelly Williams Brown's Website

Easy Crafts for the Insane

Kelly's Twitter

Kelly's Instagram

Kelly in Vanity Fair

Gratitude Journaling Study

Seneca on Being Wretched

The...


320 - Misguided - Matthew Facciani
320 - Misguided - Matthew Facciani episode artwork
08/18/2025

What is misinformation? How does it differ from disinformation or just plain ‘ole propaganda? How do we protect ourselves from people with nefarious intentions using all of these things to affect our thoughts, feelings, and behavior? That’s what we discuss in this episode with Matthew Facciani, social scientist and author of Misguided: Where Misinformation Starts, How it Spreads, and What We Can Do About It.

Matthew Facciani's Website

The Misguided Podcast

Misguided

Kitted Shop

The Story of Kitted

How Minds Change

David McRaney's BlueSky


319 - Love Factually - Eli Finkel and Paul Eastwick
319 - Love Factually - Eli Finkel and Paul Eastwick episode artwork
08/04/2025

Two psychologists who study love, relationships, and human mating behavior pick apart the movie "The Notebook" and tell us what it gets right and what it gets wrong when it comes to portraying how humans actually, truly think, feel, and behave. Eli Finkel and Paul Eastwick are the cohosts of the Love Factually podcast, a show that discusses the romantic/scientific accuracy of movies, and on this episode we listen in as they examine one of the most popular romance movies of all time.

Love Factually Website

Love Factually Substack

Eli Finkel's Website<...


318 - The Intention Action Gap - Britt Frank (rebroadcast)
318 - The Intention Action Gap - Britt Frank (rebroadcast) episode artwork
07/21/2025

In this episode, we sit down with therapist Britt Frank to discuss the intention action gap, the psychological term for the chasm between what you very much intend to do and what you tend to do instead. It turns out, there's a well-researched psychological framework that includes a term for when you have a stated, known goal – a change you'd like to make in your life – something you wake up intending to finally do or get started doing, but then don't do while knowing full well you are actively not doing what you ought and wish you had done by n...


317 - Don't Talk About Politics - Sarah Stein Lubrano
317 - Don't Talk About Politics - Sarah Stein Lubrano episode artwork
07/07/2025

Sarah Stein Lubrano tells us about her new book, Don't Talk About Politics, which urges us not to lose hope or become frozen in frustration when it comes to polarization and faulty discourse because the good news is that we don't just know, scientifically, why the marketplace of ideas is currently failing us, we know how, scientifically, we can do better. 

Sarah Stein Lubrano's Website

Don't Talk About Politics

Motivated Numeracy Paper

How Minds Change

David McRaney’s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

New...


316 - Cultures of Growth - Mary C. Murphy (rebroadcast)
316 - Cultures of Growth - Mary C. Murphy (rebroadcast) episode artwork
06/23/2025

In this episode we welcome psychologist Mary C. Murphy, author of Cultures of Growth, who tells us how to create institutions, businesses, and other groups of humans that can better support collaboration, innovation, performance, and wellbeing. We also learn how, even if you know all about the growth mindset, the latest research suggests you not may not be creating a culture of growth despite what feels like your best efforts to do so. 

Mary Murphy’s Website

Cultures of Growth

Carol Dweck at Google

Paper: A Culture of Genius

How...


315 - May Contain Lies - Alex Edmans
315 - May Contain Lies - Alex Edmans episode artwork
06/09/2025

Alex Edmans, a professor of finance at London Business School, tells us how to avoid the Ladder of Misinference by examining how narratives, statistics, and articles can mislead, especially when they align with our preconceived notions and confirm what we believe is true, assume is true, and wish were true.

Alex Edmans 

May Contain Lies

What to Test in a Post Trust World

How Minds Change

David McRaney’s Twitter

David McRaney’s BlueSky

YANSS Twitter

YANSS Facebook

Newsletter

Kitte...


314 - Fluke - Brian Klaas (rebroadcast)
314 - Fluke - Brian Klaas (rebroadcast) episode artwork
05/26/2025

In this episode we sit down with Brian Klaas, author of Fluke, and get into the existential lessons and grander meaning for a life well-lived (once one finally accepts the power and influence of randomness, chaos, and chance). In addition, we learn not to fall prey to proportionality bias - the tendency for human brains to assume big, historical, or massively impactful events must have had big causes and/or complex machinations underlying their grand outcomes. It’s one of the cognitive biases that most contributes to conspiratorial thinking and grand conspiracy theories, one that leads to an assumption th...


313 - The 3.5 Percent Rule - Erica Chenoweth
313 - The 3.5 Percent Rule - Erica Chenoweth episode artwork
05/12/2025

If you want to overthrow a dictator, resist an authoritarian regime, or create a movement that can change the national status quo, you don't need half the country, you only need 3.5 percent of the population to join – but there are some caveats, and Erica Chenoweth whose research led to the discovery of the 3.5 Percent Rule, explains them to us in this episode.

Previous Episodes

Erica Chenoweth's Website

Why Civil Resistance Works (the paper)

Why Civil Resistance Works (the book)

The TED Talk

The Q&A

Ho...


312 - Chaos and Complexity - Neil Theise (rebroadcast)
312 - Chaos and Complexity - Neil Theise (rebroadcast) episode artwork
04/28/2025

Professor Neil Theise, the author of Notes on Complexity,  provides an introduction to the science of how complex systems behave – from cells to human beings, to ecosystems, the known universe, and beyond – and we explore if Ian Malcolm was right when he told us in Jurassic Park that "Life, um, finds a way."

Previous Episodes

Neil Theise's Website

Notes on Complexity

Conway's Game of Life

The Santa Fe Institute

Technosphere

How Minds Change

David McRaney’s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Newslet...


311 - Cascades of Change - Greg Satell (rebroadcast)
311 - Cascades of Change - Greg Satell (rebroadcast) episode artwork
04/14/2025

In this episode we sit down with Greg Satell, a communication expert whose book, Cascades, details how rapid, widespread change can sweep across groups of people big and small, and how understanding the psychological mechanisms at play in such moments can help anyone looking to create change in a family, institution, or even nation, prepare for the inevitable resistance they will face.

• Special Offer From Greg Satell

• Greg Satell's Website

• Greg Satell's Blog

• Greg Satell's Twitter

• Newsletter

• How Minds Change

• David McRaney’s Twitter

• Kitted


310 - Align Your Mind - Britt Frank
310 - Align Your Mind - Britt Frank episode artwork
03/31/2025

Therapist, teacher, speaker, and trauma specialist Britt Frank tells us all about her new book, Align Your Mind, an all-access pass to understanding, befriending, and leading the multiple voices within yourself.

Grounded in the latest research on Parts Work and Internal Family Systems, and offering proven techniques from Frank’s clinical practice and personal challenges, this engaging guide is a user manual to your own mind—and presents a road map for finding peace, confidence, and a deeper understanding of who you truly are.

Previous Episodes

Britt Frank’s Practice

Align Your M...


309 - They Thought We Were Ridiculous - Andy Luttrell (rebroadcast)
309 - They Thought We Were Ridiculous - Andy Luttrell (rebroadcast) episode artwork
03/17/2025

In 1974, two psychologists, Daniel Kahneman and Amos Tversky, as the New Yorker once put it, "changed the way we think about the way we think." The prevailing wisdom, before their landmark research went viral (in the way things went viral in the 1970s), was that human beings were, for the most part, rational optimizers always making the kinds of judgments and decisions that best maximized the potential of the outcomes under their control. This was especially true in economics at the time. The story of how they generated a paradigm shift so powerful that it reached far outside economics...


308 - Magical Thinking - Matt Tompkins
308 - Magical Thinking - Matt Tompkins episode artwork
03/03/2025

In this episode, the story of Clever Hans, the horse who changed psychology for the better. We also sit down with psychologist and magician Matt Tompkins. Matt is the author of The Spectacle of Illusion, a book about the long history of the manipulation of our own magical thinking and how studying deception can help us better understand perception, memory, belief, and more.

How Minds Change

David McRaney’s BlueSky

David McRaney’s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Matt Tompkins

The Spectacle of Illusion

Prisoners of Silence


307 - Concordance Over Truth Bias
307 - Concordance Over Truth Bias episode artwork
02/17/2025

In this episode, we sit down with three disinformation researchers whose new paper found something surprising about both our resistance and our susceptibility to both true news we wish was fake and fake news we wish was true.

Our guests are three of the scientists exploring a newly named cognitive distortion, one that every human being is prone to exhibiting, one that is so common and so easily provoked that nefarious actors depend on it when distributing disinformation and propaganda.

Samuel Woolley, Katie Joseff, and Michael Schwalbe will share their methods, findings, and takeaways. They...