I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin

On what seemed like an ordinary day, Jessica Brown was driving to her parents' house for lunch when her world was shattered, her brother Edan had been stabbed to death.

If you're a regular listener of I Catch Killers, you’ll recall one of the most confronting conversations ever on this show, the moment Gary sat face to face with Anthony Jones, the man who took Edan's life. But that was only half the story.

Now, we hear the other side of the story.

In this episode, Jessica opens up about what it tr...

In part two of this conversation, former SAS soldier and Survivor winner Mark Wales returns to I Catch Killers for a raw and honest discussion. Mark opens up about surviving childhood sexual abuse and the difficult decision to pursue justice decades later, the mental toll of war and elite military service, and how he rebuilt his life through business school, boxing, reality TV, and writing.

Gary and Mark also dig into some big-picture issues: the case for national service, escalating global conflicts in the Middle East, Russia-Ukraine and the Indo-Pacific, the changing face of modern warfare, and...

Mark Wales joined the military as a wide-eyed 17-year-old recruit, and quickly rose through the ranks, eventually leading one of Australia's most elite special forces troops in some of the most dangerous combat environments on earth. He saw the war in Afghanistan evolve from targeted counter-terrorism into something far more complicated, and ultimately, far less certain.

In this episode of I Catch Killers, Mark opens up about what it takes to earn a place in the SAS, the psychological toll of repeated deployments, and how he watched the Afghan war slowly lose its sense of purpose from...

Between 2010 and 2017, eight men vanished from Toronto's gay village. The man responsible was hiding in plain sight, a landscape gardener who moonlighted as a shopping centre Santa Claus.

In part two of his chat with Gary, former Toronto Homicide Inspector Hank Idsinga reveals the full story behind the Bruce McArthur serial killer investigation. From a tip about cannibalism on the dark web, to dismembered victims discovered inside backyard garden planters, this is one of the most disturbing cases in Canadian criminal history. Hank also reveals how his team arrived just in time to save the life of...

Serial killers, child victims, sleepless nights, near death experiences. This is what working in homicide actually looks like.

Hank Idsinga spent 34 years with the Toronto Police Service, 18 of them in Homicide, before retiring as one of Canada's most experienced and decorated investigators. 

In this episode of I Catch Killers, Hank and Gary, two former homicide detectives with a combined seven decades experience, share the reality of what this work demands. Hank revisits the cases that defined his career, including serial gang murderer Mark Moore, the heartbreaking case of a seven-year-old Katelynn Sampson whose story sparked a...

What does it really take to break the cycle of crime? 

In Part 2 of this conversation, Gary sits down with Lincoln Tarrow-Lynch, a man caught up in crime since he was a kid, who’d spent years dealing drugs, battling ice addiction, and surviving on the fringes of society, to uncover what finally turned his life around.

Lincoln opens up about his first adult prison sentence, losing his mother while behind bars, and walking out of jail with nothing but a plastic bag and no support network. He shares how Rainbow Lodge, a post-release residential pro...

What happens when the system meant to protect a child chooses to punish them instead? Lincoln Tarrow-Lynch's earliest memory is watching his father being arrested. By five, his mother was in prison. By twelve, he was committing petty crime, living on the streets, and being abused by adults, yet the system kept sending him back to the danger it knew was there.

In this episode of I Catch Killers, Gary sits down with Lincoln to trace the fault lines of a childhood shaped by neglect, abuse, and a justice system that criminalised a child who simply needed...

For 18 months, Jas Rawlinson went undercover to investigate illegal massage parlours across Brisbane. What she discovered was venues hiding exploitation, debt bondage and human trafficking in plain sight. 

In part two of her chat with Gary on I Catch Killers, Jas shares the personal stories of women she met inside these venues, her chilling encounters with men on underground forums, and her frustrating attempts to get police and media to take action.

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Jas Rawlinson is a fearless journalist, author and advocate. But before she was any of those things, she was a girl trying to survive in a home filled with domestic violence and coercive control. Jas grew up watching her father abuse her mother. She carried that shame into her first relationship, where love bombing turned into sexual abuse. But Jas didn't stay silent. She reclaimed her story and her power. And now, she's on a mission to expose the systems that exploit vulnerable women.

In this episode of I Catch Killers, Jas explains the difference between physical...

Gaz Wright picks up where the war stories ended in part one of his chat with Gary on I Catch Killers. In this episode, they get into the story that really matters - how one man crawled out of a back bedroom in a shot-up trap house, white-knuckled his way through heroin withdrawal, and rebuilt himself from nothing into one of Australia's most unlikely voices for change. 

With nothing but the clothes on his back and his Staffy, Bonnie, Gaz boarded a one-way flight to Cairns and started over. He handed in his first-ever résumé at a b...

The criminal underworld is a grubby place, it welcomes anyone willing to make bad choices. And Gaz Wright made plenty of them.

In this episode of I Catch Killers, Gary sits down with Gaz, a former gang leader, drug dealer, and serious violent offender from Melbourne’s western suburbs, who served almost a decade in prison, and who once called the police on himself hoping they’d shoot him dead. Then, the karma he'd accumulated finally caught up with him in the most brutal way possible. Still, Gaz found a way forward.

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What’s been done in the 5 and half years since 23 year old Celeste Manno was brutally murdered in her bedroom by a man she barely knew? According to Celeste’s mum, Aggie Di Mauro, not much. 

In part two of Aggie’s chat with Gary, Aggie lays out in forensic detail why the Victorian Government's response to the Victorian Law Reform Commission's 45 stalking recommendations has been nothing but "lip service." Aggie makes a compelling case for the mandatory electronic monitoring of stalkers who breach intervention orders, dismantling every official excuse offered against it, and exposes the dangerous gap in...

When 23-year-old Celeste Manno was brutally murdered in her own bedroom in November 2020, her mother Aggie knew it could have been prevented. A former coworker had stalked and harassed Celeste for over a year, and the warning signs were everywhere. Police were told. Courts were involved. Intervention orders were issued. Somehow, none of it was enough.

In this episode of I Catch Killers, Aggie Di Mauro exposes the catastrophic system failures that preceded Celeste's murder, a justice system she believes let her daughter down, and the fight for a coronial inquest that five and a half years...

Being locked up in prison is hard - but often the real test comes when you're released.

In part 2 of this discussion, Tahlia Isaac takes Gary inside the raw reality of life in a women's maximum-security facility: 22-hour lockdowns, mothers crying for children they can't reach, Aboriginal matriarchs ripped from their communities, and women imprisoned for nothing more than driving without a licence. 

Then comes the moment when the doors swing open…to no money, support, or protection.

Tahlia argues that the system doesn't need fixing, it needs to be completely torn down and...

Tahlia Isaac sat in a watch house, facing serious criminal charges, with no phone, no money, and a face beaten by her abusive partner. Her lawyer told her she was going to prison. So she set her life on fire.

After using drugs recreationally as a teenager, Tahlia quickly fell into a spiral of addiction, toxic relationships, drug dealing, and serious criminal charges. But that's only half the story.

In this episode of I Catch Killers, Tahlia challenges everything you think you know about who ends up in prison and why.

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Australia's war on tobacco has backfired spectacularly, and the consequences have become deadly. 

In this episode of I Catch Killers, former ABF and AFP detective Rohan Pike takes us deeper into the self-inflicted tobacco wars and its consequences - including the booming unregulated vape industry, with almost all vapes sold in Australia now illegal. Rohan also tells us about serving as an AFP officer in Islamabad in the aftermath of 9/11, his role in the high-profile Jihad Jack case, and leading Australia's first ever foreign bribery investigation.

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A decade ago, Australian Border Force Tobacco Strike Team leader Rohan Pike issued a stark warning: skyrocketing tobacco excises would unleash organised crime and fuel a dangerous illicit market. Today, his prediction has become reality - firebombings terrorise suburban streets, borders are breached daily, and innocent people are being murdered as a result of the multi-billion-dollar black market.

In this episode of I Catch Killers, Rohan takes us inside Australia's self-inflicted tobacco wars, revealing how violent crime syndicates smuggle millions of illicit tobacco products into the country every day, why current enforcement strategies are failing, and what...

Tens and thousands of Australians are scammed out of millions every year. However, the exploitation doesn’t stop there - a shocking number of scammers are human trafficking victims, involuntarily held in prison-like compounds and violently punished if they don’t meet their targets. 

In part 2 of her chat on I Catch Killers, detective turned romance scam investigator Kylee Dennis reveals the red flags that indicate you're talking to a scammer, how scammers use psychological manipulation to create a perfect storm of emotional and financial devastation, and the connection between romance scams, organised crime, and transnational criminal netwo...

On a quiet Sunday afternoon, former NSW Police detective Kylee Dennis got a call from her elderly mum - she’d met a man online. Within hours, Kylee had unravelled a web of lies and realised her mum was caught in a romance scam.

In this episode of I Catch Killers, Kylee lifts the lid on the murky, billion‑dollar world of romance scams - how they’re built, who they target, and the shame that keeps victims silent. She also shares her remarkable career in the NSW Police Force, from Marrickville general duties to undercover stings and hi...

How did Charles Manson convince multiple people to murder nine innocent victims?

In this episode of I Catch Killers, forensic psychologist Dr Jeff Smalldon recounts his dealings with Manson and the women devoted to him, and reveals how they tried to recruit him. Jeff also reveals what he's learnt about the mindset of murderers, the secret to gaining the trust of a serial killer, and the chilling three word message Ted Bundy sent him.

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Imagine opening your letterbox to a letter from Ted Bundy or a handmade Christmas card from John Wayne Gacy. Forensic psychologist, Dr Jeffrey Smalldon, doesn't have to imagine. He's communicated with some of the most notorious serial killers in American history.

In this episode, Gary and Jeff unpack Gacy’s charm and lures, how predators pass as “normal”, the double homicide that changed Jeff’s life, and what decades evaluating murderers reveal about psychopathy, empathy, and survival on death row.

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When his community started making their own weapons and scheming to kill cops, Brodie Finegan Forbes knew it was time to leave the sovereign citizen movement. Scared, alone, and homeless, he did the worst thing a sovcit can do - he went to the police. 

In part two of his chat with Gary, Brodie takes us inside his journey of escaping the sovereign citizen movement, and shares what he’s learnt since. 

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At 21, Brodie Finegan Forbes found himself in the centre of the sovereign citizen movement, which he calls a ‘decentralised, pseudo-legal cult’.

The combination of a troubled childhood, loss of his burgeoning music career, and societal and psychological pressures led him to 24-hour Zoom ‘echo chambers’ where he learned how to challenge authority, take on judges, and terrorise people with paperwork. He was part of a ‘chosen few’ who had figured out a ‘secret’. At least that's what he thought...

In this episode, Gary chats with Brodie about the lure of the sovereign citizen movement, how he ended up livi...

In Part 2 of Gary’s discussion with former detective Dr Vince Hurley and reformed prisoner Claude Robinson on I Catch Killers, the unlikely duo pull back the curtain on a justice system that is failing victim survivors, perpetrators, and the public alike. They argue that the current approach to tackling domestic violence is little more than a "ten-billion-dollar business" that prioritises prison beds over prevention. However, they may have a solution. 

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Is the ‘tough on crime approach’ working to keep people safe? 

In this episode of I Catch Killers, Gary is joined by two men from opposite sides of the law who have arrived at the same radical conclusion - the justice system is broken for everyone.

Dr Vince Hurley is a former Detective turned academic, and Claude Robinson is a former heroin addict and prisoner who now runs Rainbow Lodge, a residential center helping high-risk men transition from prison back into society. Together, they challenge everything we think we know about the justice system. 

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What are the steps a lone actor takes when preparing a violent attack? Can they be stopped?

In Part 2 of forensic psychologist turned detective Ian Cherrington’s chat with Gary Jubelin on I Catch Killers, Ian unpacks warning signs and ‘leakage’ that suggest planning is underway. 

Ian shares practical ways to support people showing early extremist views, and explains how lone actors differ from the ‘sovereign citizen’ movement.

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As a teenager, Ian Cherrington became fascinated by the psychology of serial killers - a fascination that would shape his entire career. He began as a forensic psychologist studying the minds of serial killers before making an unconventional leap into frontline policing as a detective in the UK. After years investigating homicides and linking crimes across the country, Ian transitioned into counter-terrorism and lone actor threat assessment, positioning himself at the cutting edge of one of modern policing's most pressing challenges.

In Part 1 of his conversation with Gary Jubelin on I Catch Killers, Ian recounts the harrowing...

After 40 years of silence, former sex crimes detective Graeme Simpfendorfer confronted the man he says abused him in a recorded phone call.

In part two of his powerful conversation with Gary Jubelin on I Catch Killers, Graeme opens up about the anxiety of giving a police statement, a process he’d navigated countless times professionally, but never as a victim survivor, and takes us inside the harrowing years-long fight for justice. 

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Graeme Simpfendorfer spent 27 years in the Victoria Police, leading elite squads in Homicide and Sexual Offences. He was a veteran detective catching predators until a training lecture on grooming behaviours unlocked a trauma he had suppressed for decades. Graeme realised that as a teenager, he had been the victim of the very crimes he spent his professional life investigating.

In this episode, Gary and Graeme discuss the "war of attrition" that followed when a top detective had to report his own abuser. Graeme reveals the clinical reality of recording a sting call and the struggle of wearing...

Twelve months after the brutal murder of her daughter Audrey Griffin, Kathleen Kirby returns to discuss the "numb" reality of her life. Unable to grieve while fighting for justice, Kathleen has stepped in where the system failed - organising community walks and personally tracking down overlooked CCTV footage.

Gary and Kathleen explore the devastating "ripple effect" of homicide and the lack of support for families left behind, from administrative coldness regarding Audrey’s belongings to the confusing pain of waiting for a coroner’s report.

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In 1974, a 17-year-old girl in Sydney answered the door to a man claiming to be an encyclopaedia salesman who carried nothing with him and left her with a chilling "full body rush" of fear.

Decades later, that woman's daughter - award-winning author Candice Fox - realised this family story aligned with the timeline of two unsolved homicides from the same neighbourhood. Candice details how this personal connection led her to report the encounter to police and attempt her own investigation into the deaths of Lynette White and Maria Smith and how these tragedies formed the inspiration for...

Author Candice Fox doesn't just write crime; she lives it through research for her books, including a chilling five-hour, "full-contact" visit in a San Quentin jail with one of America’s worst serial killers, the notorious "Toolbox Killer.”

In this episode of I Catch Killers, Candice gives host Gary Jubelin a peek into a childhood she calls a madhouse…growing up with more than 150 foster siblings and a father who worked as a parole officer, giving her a glimpse into humanity’s darkest corners before she even hit double digits. Hear how she channels real‑world evil into compe...

On a stormy day, Cameron Hardiman’s Air Wing team got a call: there was a man in the middle of Bass Strait clinging to a broken yacht. What should have been a routine rescue turned brutal. 

In Part 2, Cameron explains how that terrifying rescue pushed him into the AFP, where he broke up raids in the Solomon Islands, and played delivery driver for a $200 million cocaine bust. Cameron was eventually diagnosed with PTSD, and he talks to Gary Jubelin about the end of his police career.

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Cameron Hardiman has taken an unusual path in his 35-year police career. Starting out as a cop, Cameron was nearby for the Russell St bombing and witnessed the aftermath of Betty Grech’s murder by her husband Michael Grech. 

Given the opportunity to be a detective or in the Air Wing, Cameron chose the latter and spent 14 years in a helicopter. Gary Jubelin speaks to Cameron about why he chose the chopper, and the variety of work you experience policing from the sky.

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After 14 years in maximum security, Anthony Jones is a changed man, but the path was written in blood. He survived a horrific prison ambush where he was doused in boiling liquid and stabbed ten times, yet he chose to forgive his attackers rather than retaliate. Gary explores Anthony’s radical transformation from a "broken boy" into a qualified pastor and his mission to lead the "No Chance Movement" for at-risk youth .

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At a 2010 house party, Anthony Jones was involved in a drunken brawl, which led to a tragedy that impacted countless lives. Anthony stabbed his friend, Edan Brown, who died from the injuries. 

Charged with murder, Anthony broke the criminal code and pled guilty as the first step to taking responsibility for his actions - a move that saw his own mother disown him in open court. With the Brown family’s blessing, Gary Jubelin sits down with Anthony to uncover the "pure evil" of his childhood and the rage that led him into a spiral that culminated in...

For a world champion, life in the spotlight is a bizarre mix of extreme wealth and unexpected betrayals. As Jeff Fenech rose to international superstardom, he found himself inside the inner circles of men like Mike Tyson and Kerry Packer. From training a heavy-hitting legend to experiencing the extravagant generosity of a billionaire, Jeff saw a side of the world few ever encounter.

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For Jeff Fenech, the Newtown Police Boys Club wasn't a place to find a career - it was a place to find a fight. By age 13, Jeff was a "troublesome teenager" already hardened by street gangs and stints in youth detention centres. Everything changed when he met legendary trainer Johnny Lewis, a man who would become his father figure and steer him toward the discipline of the ring.

The rise of the "Marrickville Mauler" was nothing short of a boxing miracle. From the 1984 Olympics to winning a world title in only his seventh professional fight, this is...

After sparking the Wood Royal Commission, Deborah Locke had a target on her back. Her “police family” turned on her, and Deborah feared for her life. In Part 2, Gary and Deborah talk about the fallout from being a whistleblower and what’s changed in policing since the Wood Royal Commission. 

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For Deborah Locke, joining the NSW Police was a ticket to a better life. After joining the police in 1984, Deborah found herself in the seedy underbelly of police corruption. Bribery, drinking, and sexual harassment were commonplace - until Deborah decided she had to stand up for what was right, even if it cost her everything.

The Wood Royal Commission was a turning point in Australian policing. This is the story of how it came to be.

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