HR Voices
HR Voices is a scenario-based podcast for People Leaders who’ve actually had to make the call. Each episode brings experienced HR and People leaders into realistic, anonymized workplace scenarios—the kind you recognize immediately. Performance issues. Messy conflicts. Investigations that don’t fit neatly into a policy box. Instead of talking about their own companies, guests react to outside cases and walk through how they’d think it through in real time. There are no right answers here. What you’ll hear is judgment: how seasoned leaders balance risk, fairness, legal reality, and humanity when the stakes are high and the pa...
When the Data Tells a Different Story Than the Manager
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On HR Voices, Rebecca Taylor and guest Stacy Winsett, Chief People Officer at RATP Dev USA, work through a termination scenario that collapses into a six-figure settlement. A manager fires an employee after a heated call, then backdates the performance notes, and metadata in discovery exposes it. Stacy argues the real failure runs deeper than the firing: a manager carrying two open headcount gaps and fourteen direct reports was never flagged as a risk. The conversation moves from documentation discipline to psychological safety to workforce planning. Essential listening for HR and people-ops leaders who want to...
The Four Words That Keep HR in the Room
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On this episode of HR Voices, Rebecca Taylor and Julianne Galli, VP of People at Kindbody, work through a fabricated but painfully familiar scenario: a 61-year-old senior director is retitled "Director of Special Projects," stripped of his reports, and files an age discrimination complaint eight months before his pension vests. They argue the real risk isn't the age claim, it's that the decision was made with no HR in the room. Julianne shares the four-word tactic she uses to insert friction without becoming the obstacle, and the two draw a hard line on what AI can...
The Talent Engine No Software Can Replicate
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On HR Voices, host Rebecca Taylor talks with Paul Yater, who holds the unusual dual role of Chief Information Officer and Head of Human Resources at 84 Lumber, a building materials supplier with 7,600 associates across 320 locations in 34 states. Paul explains how the company promotes 96% of its store leadership from within, hiring up to 4,000 people a year into entry-level manager-trainee roles. He breaks down the machinery behind that pipeline, the training facility, the learning system, the structured onboarding, and argues that the real driver is a pay-it-forward culture no software can replicate. The conversation closes on where AI...
Tend Your Team Like a Garden
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On HR Voices, Rebecca Taylor and Sara Birmingham, Chief People Officer at Shutterstock, work through a familiar trap: a manager wants to put a newly remote, recently accommodated employee on a PIP, and the request looks airtight. Sara makes the case that most performance problems are management problems in disguise, and that the first three months under an accommodation are a re-onboarding, not a fair sample. They get into why managers who go quiet on anxious employees create the very problem they later want to act on, how to broker the conversation that prevents it, and...
The Case Against Treating Everyone the Same
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On this episode of HR Voices, Rebecca Taylor talks with Alisa DiBeasi, CHRO at PHINIA, about a problem nearly every People team is facing: rising requests for flexibility and accommodations, and managers handling them inconsistently. Alisa makes the case that the usual fix, one uniform rule for everyone, is what actually breaks fairness, because the roles and lives underneath it were never the same. She lays out a different model built on reciprocity, employee-led wellbeing councils, and listening without rushing to diagnose. It's a practical playbook for any HR leader trying to be fair at scale without...
The Three Moves That Enable AI Success
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On HR Voices, host Rebecca Taylor sits down with Weston Fillman and Gabrielle Caron from 1Password to unpack the Meta firings over faked keyboard activity and what they reveal about how HR is supposed to roll out AI. Wes runs people operations and employee relations. Gab leads talent, culture, and growth. They argue Meta got the tool right and the rollout wrong, that change management in the AI era has to be the rollout itself, and that 1Password's 98% AI adoption is a starting line rather than a finish line. For HR and People leaders being asked to...
The Manager Accountability Trap Most Organizations Walk Into
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In this episode of HR Voices, Rebecca Taylor is joined by Margie Zyble, CHRO at UC Health Cincinnati, to work through a high-stakes scenario: a company's forced ranking system produces racially disparate outcomes, a manager refuses to rank her team in the bottom tier, and HR must advise on both. Margie draws on her experience to separate the two problems, explain why most manager defiance traces back to a skill gap rather than principled dissent, and make the case for running an enablement phase before any accountability conversation begins. This episode is for HR leaders, ER...
The Paradox of Well-Meaning Messages
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HR Voices explores real and fabricated anonymized employee relations scenarios through the lens of experienced HR and People leaders. In this episode, Rebecca Taylor is joined by D'Mar Phillips, VP of People and Culture at RS Americas, to work through "The Social Media Outing": a manager discovers via personal social media that a direct report is gay, tries to signal inclusion without disclosure, and faces a confrontation. D'Mar unpacks the difference between intent and impact, explains why HR should always talk to the employee first in a trust rupture, and lays out his core operating philosophy...
The Expectations Nobody Wrote Down
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On HR Voices, host Rebecca Taylor and Jeannie Virden, Chief People Officer at Central Health, work through a layered employee relations scenario: an employee with an approved work from home accommodation whose manager wants to move to a PIP three months later. They unpack why the accommodation is often a distraction from the real issue, how unstated remote expectations set people up to fail, and what documentation a PIP actually requires. Jeannie makes the case that strong HR slows managers down, asks for the paper trail, and reframes "you could" into "should you." For any people...
Purpose, People, and Process: The Three Things That Hold in HR
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In this episode of HR Voices, Rebecca Taylor is joined by Paul D. Brubaker, VP of HR for North America at KARL STORZ, to work through one of the most complex scenarios an HR leader can face: a confidential misconduct investigation has leaked from inside the function, and now HR must run two simultaneous inquiries without contaminating either one. Paul walks through his sequencing framework, explains why maintaining an open mind during a contested investigation is a form of rigor, and reflects on the two inputs that carry teams through organizational change. This episode is for...
The $400K Retention Mistake: When One Counteroffer Becomes Four
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A single counteroffer—a 22% raise to retain a valued analyst—triggered a pay equity crisis within weeks. Three teammates discovered the increase, demanded comparable raises citing discrimination, and two threatened to leave. The retained employee, furious her confidential salary became public knowledge, now distrusts leadership. HR must decide: conduct a broader compensation audit, address the perceived precedent, or risk losing the entire team.
This scenario exposes the hidden cost of reactive compensation decisions. Danessa Quadros, VP of People at WHSmith North America, walks through how to stabilize the situation, investigate root causes without making three more...
The Promotion That Never Came: Investigating Pregnancy Discrimination at Work
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A marketing manager files a pregnancy discrimination complaint after being passed over for a director promotion. The role went to a male peer with less tenure. The hiring committee's written notes cite "bandwidth" concerns three times — only for her candidacy. The company insists the decision was legitimate business planning. HR's investigation reveals a pattern that looks less like strategy and more like unconscious bias.
This scenario sits at the intersection of legitimate operational concerns and illegal discrimination under the Pregnancy Discrimination Act. The word "bandwidth" does significant work here — and none of it is defensible. When...
The $400K Distraction: What Happens When Senior Leaders Undermine HR Policy
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According to a 2024 Society for Human Resource Management report, 67% of organizations now encourage pronoun sharing as part of workplace inclusion efforts — yet only 23% report zero employee objections. A company updates its inclusion policy to ask employees to share pronouns optionally in email signatures and during introductions. One employee refuses, stating that mandatory pronoun sharing — even optional in structure — violates his religious beliefs. Another employee argues that the absence of a mandate makes the policy toothless and fails transgender colleagues. HR is caught between religious accommodation requests, LGBTQ+ inclusion obligations, and a policy that tried to thread the needle...
What to Do When a Manager is Accused of Theft?
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In an exit interview, a departing employee discloses that her manager has been stealing several thousand dollars from petty cash over the past year. She estimates the total theft at thousands of dollars but admits she never reported it earlier due to fear of retaliation. HR must now investigate an allegation with a departing witness, limited evidence, and a manager who has no indication anything is coming. Claude Silver, Chief Heart Officer at VaynerX, walks through the investigation step-by-step: verifying access logs, reviewing security footage, interviewing witnesses with access to petty cash, and assessing whether financial discrepancies...
Why "Overqualified" Is Often a Cop-Out and a Legal Risk
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A hiring manager consistently rejects candidates over 50, citing "overqualification" as a retention risk—but never mentions age explicitly. HR notices the pattern and must now assess whether the business justification is legitimate or a cover for ADEA violations. In this episode, Natalie Breece, Chief People and Diversity Officer at thredUP, reveals how to separate genuine fit concerns from coded bias, what questions expose a manager's real decision-making process, and how to protect both candidates and the organization without triggering retaliation claims. The scenario forces a choice: educate the manager, investigate the risk, or do both simultaneously.
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When the Best Manager in Your Restaurant Has Sticky Fingers
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A departing employee drops a bombshell in her exit interview: she watched her manager steal from petty cash for over a year. She estimates several thousand dollars. She says she didn't report it sooner because she feared retaliation and needed her job. Now HR holds a disclosure it can't ignore—but the witness is walking out the door, the manager has a strong performance record, and the evidence is thin.
In this episode of HR Voices, host Rebecca Taylor sits down with Laura McLand, VP of Human Resources at Sun Holdings, to work through thi...
Where HR Can Build the Most Trust from Layoffs
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A CFO hands HR a layoff list. HR runs the numbers and finds it disproportionately skews toward employees over 55 and women in senior roles. The CFO says it's based on performance ratings. HR pulls the data and finds significant rating inconsistencies. The CFO wants to proceed. Now what?
In this episode of HR Voices, host Rebecca Taylor sits down with Lizzie Garner, Chief People Officer at ClearChoice Dental Implant Centers, to work through this fabricated-but-deeply-familiar scenario about the moment HR has to decide whether to push back, proceed, or put themselves on the list.
What You Do When Your Employee Wants to Come Back
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A high-performing employee leaves voluntarily, makes complaints about her manager during the exit interview, and those complaints are noted informally but never investigated.
Eighteen months later, she applies to come back—to the same manager's team. Now HR is stuck: rehiring her means placing her back under the manager she complained about, but not hiring her could look retaliatory for protected complaints.
In this episode of HR Voices, host Rebecca Taylor sits down with Jill Gawrych, CHRO at Springs Window Fashions, to work through this fabricated-but-very-real scenario about the boomerang empl...
Should You Still Hire Him If He Lies?
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A top candidate for a senior finance role is discovered to have misrepresented their MBA degree during a post-offer background check, having dropped out after two years. Despite 15 years of strong experience and excellent references, the hiring manager insists on making an exception, arguing the degree is irrelevant. This directly conflicts with the organization's HR policy, which mandates rescinding offers for material misrepresentations, creating a high-stakes dilemma for HR.
The core tension lies in balancing a manager's desire for a seemingly perfect candidate against the critical need for integrity in a finance role and...
How a Complaint is a Request in Disguise
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Multiple employees witnessed harassment and said nothing. Some told their managers. Some figured it wasn't their place. Now HR is investigating—and the question isn't just what happened, it's what do you do with the people who saw it and stayed quiet?
In this episode of HR Voices, host Rebecca Taylor sits down with Robert C. Whitehouse, Chief People Officer at MiQ Digital, to work through this fabricated-but-very-real scenario about bystander accountability.
Robert brings a grounded, values-first approach to what could easily become a punitive exercise. He walk...
Why You Shouldn’t Policy for Your Worst Employee
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A company installs productivity monitoring software on remote employees' laptops. One employee discovers it, doesn't remove it, but starts staging his screen—working on a decoy window while handling personal matters.
When HR confronts him with footage showing low productivity, he flips the script: the monitoring was never disclosed, it violates state surveillance law, and it constitutes an unlawful search. Sound familiar?
In this episode of HR Voices, host Rebecca Taylor sits down with Lynnette Heath, CHRO at nVent, to work through this fabricated-but-very-real scenario and unpack how a s...
The Retaliation Question Every HR Leader Will Face (And How to Navigate It)
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An employee files a harassment complaint against her supervisor. HR investigates, finds it unsubstantiated, and reassigns her to a new manager. Three months later, she receives her first negative performance review in five years. Is it retaliation or real performance issues?
In this episode of HR Voices, host Rebecca Taylor sits down with Lisseth Zouhbi, Chief People and Culture Officer at Child Care Resource Center, to work through this fabricated-but-very-familiar scenario and unpack how an experienced HR leader would actually approach it.
Lisseth brings a calm, methodical pe...
The Negotiation Mistake Every New Hire Makes
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A state passes a pay transparency law. A company scrambles to comply by posting wide salary ranges like $60K–$120K "to preserve flexibility." Then employees see the ranges and start filing complaints. Sound familiar?
In this episode of HR Voices, host Rebecca Taylor sits down with Ami Graves, CHRO at Bell Techlogix, to work through exactly this scenario and uncover what a strong HR leader actually thinks about when the gray areas pile up. Ami brings 25+ years of HR leadership experience and an unusually direct perspective on where the real risk lives—and i...
The Hiring Complaint Every HR Leader Should Prepare For
Can a neurodiversity hiring program open you up to “reverse discrimination” claims—and how do you respond if it does? In this HR Voices episode, Rebecca Taylor is joined by Paula Nuzzi, CHRO at Tartar Gate, LLC, to unpack a fictional but highly realistic case: a tech company modifies interviews, mentorship, and accommodations to better hire candidates with autism and ADHD—then faces a complaint from a rejected, non-neurodivergent applicant. Paula breaks down how to design inclusive programs without creating legal risk, what ADA compliance really means in practice, and why communication and candidate experience are make-or-break. She shares an on-th...
Politics at Work: Angela Shaw on Polarization, Protected Speech, and Behavior Standards
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Politics at work isn’t new—but post‑election spikes in tension can stall teams and swamp HR. Angela Shaw, SVP of Talent at Amplify Credit Union, unpacks a practical, defensible approach to political polarization at work—without blanket bans that create more risk. She explains why strong HR starts by separating beliefs (which you can’t control) from behaviors (which you must), and how to equip managers to address refusal to collaborate, Slack blowups, and “hostile environment” complaints. Angela walks through an investigation playbook—listen first, talk to witnesses, then the accused—plus interim guardrails and tight communic...
Scaling AI with Humanity: S&P Global’s CPO on Skills, Spark Assist, and 7,000 Change Leaders
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AI is racing ahead—but how do you bring a 40k+ global workforce along without losing the human connection? Girish Ganesan, Chief People Officer at S&P Global, shares how his team is redesigning work around skills and tasks while keeping “humanity as the multiplier.” He outlines three macro challenges—pace of change vs. org readiness, the shift from roles to skills, and maintaining connection across 41 countries—and the practical ways S&P Global is responding. Expect concrete examples: making change tangible at the workflow level, rolling out a companywide AI Academy, launching Spark Assist (an internal g...
Handling Viral Misconduct: Due Process, Deepfakes, and Franchisee Realities
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Handling Viral Misconduct: Due Process, Deepfakes, and Franchisee Realities
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When a customer films a frontline worker spewing racist slurs and the clip explodes online, how do you protect your brand without abandoning due process?
Amrita Bhaumik, VP of HR at Team Car Care—the largest Jiffy Lube franchisee—shares a clear, defensible playbook for high-stakes, high-speed incidents. Leading a large employee relations function across a distributed retail network, Amrita explains how to investigate quickly and fairly when social pressure is peaking and deepfakes muddy the truth.
She breaks down who to inte...
Keystrokes, Screenshots, and Trust: An HR Playbook for Employee Monitoring
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Thinking about rolling out productivity monitoring for remote teams—or living with the fallout from doing it too fast?
Sarah Chandler, VP of HR at Hensley Beverage Company, joins host Rebecca Taylor to unpack a nuanced, high-stakes scenario: company-wide keystroke, mouse, and screenshot tracking sparks employee backlash, privacy concerns, and attrition risk.
Sarah shares how seasoned HR leaders influence from the middle—starting with the business need, then addressing trust—to design guardrails that are fair, compliant, and actually useful.
She breaks down when monitoring might be appropriate, how to define...
AI Hiring Under Fire: CHRO Kristen Duckett on Mobley v. Workday, Governance, and Accountability
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What happens when an AI hiring tool is accused of discrimination—and your brand, hiring engine, and employee trust are all on the line?
In this episode, Rebecca Taylor sits down with Kristen Duckett, Chief Human Resources Officer at WorldStrides, to dissect the Mobley v. Workday case and what it means for HR leaders using AI in talent selection.
With a background in executive recruiting and hands-on experience leading an AI steering committee, Kristen details how to build real governance—not just policies on paper. She explains automation bias and why explainability feat...
The Streisand Risk: Social Media, Non-Disparagement, and HR’s Next Move
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What should HR do when a former employee posts about culture after signing a settlement with a non-disparagement clause—sue, ignore, or investigate?
Jens H Jensen, Vice President of People & Culture at Echo Americas, brings a global HR lens to a real-world “social media retaliation” scenario (Sue v. Bevins). He breaks down why “being right” legally can still be wrong for brand and business, how jurisdiction and remote work complicate action, and why leaders must model disciplined scenario planning over impulse.
Jens outlines a pragmatic way to weigh reach vs. the Streisand effect, le...
From Data Overload to Discernment: US Bank’s SVP of HR on Outcome-Driven Work in the AI Era
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AI is accelerating everything—but speed without clarity creates noise.
Clark Jessop, Senior Vice President of HR at US Bank and HR lead for the company’s digital, data & AI, and product teams, shares how he helps leaders manage acceleration without losing focus. He explains why discernment is the defining human skill in the AI age, how to simplify decision flows and clarify decision rights, and where human judgment must be protected.
Clark breaks down shifting HR from calendar-driven to outcome-driven, co-creating solutions with business partners, and reducing friction so teams can move...
Building a People-First Airline: Breeze Airways’ CPO on AI, Frontline Comms, and Hypergrowth
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How do you keep a fast-growing, always-in-motion workforce informed, aligned, and delivering standout service—while adding a new aircraft every month?
Jeff Weber, Chief People Officer at Breeze Airways, shares how the airline is scaling a people-first culture across a distributed, frontline operation.
Founded during COVID by David Neumann, Breeze targets underserved airports with a “seriously nice” guest experience—and it shows with NPS in the 70s. Jeff, who came from software, breaks down what it takes to staff a point-to-point model across many locations, onboard 1,000+ new hires a year, and give teams th...
Engagement for Success: FreshDirect’s CPO on Redefining Performance, Purpose, and Growth
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In a farm-to-door, 24/7 operation, how do you keep 2,500 people aligned, motivated, and truly high-performing?
Claire Ko, Chief People Officer at FreshDirect—the pioneer of online grocery delivery—shares how her lean people team supports a complex, tech-enabled business spanning production, logistics, merchandising, and corporate functions.
Claire offers a view inside FreshDirect’s direct relationships with farms and fisheries, food-waste reduction efforts, and a new fair-trade initiative sending $1 per bunch of organic bananas back to farmers—purpose that fuels pride and performance.
She breaks down “Engagement for Success,” a company-wide framework that centers...
Retaining Frontline Talent: America’s Car‑Mart’s CHRO on Side Hustles, Boomerang Culture, and Whole‑Health Wellness
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How do you keep a largely frontline workforce engaged across 135 dealerships and 12 states—while embracing the rise of side hustles? Jules Gianneschi, Chief Human Resources Officer at America’s Car‑Mart (a publicly traded, integrated auto sales and finance company based in Rogers, AR), shares how her team builds a purpose-led culture around a clear mission: keeping customers on the road. Jules explains why normalizing second jobs can actually improve retention, how whole‑health wellness (physical, mental, and financial) drives performance, and why authenticity at work reduces “energy tax” and boosts productivity. She breaks down Car‑Mart’s “boomer...
From Design to HR: People-First Culture, Co-Leadership, and AI in HR
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What happens when a designer leads HR? Michael Bodziner, Co–Chief Human Resources Officer at Gensler—the global architecture and design firm with 56 offices and 6,400 people—shares how a 40-year career from intern to studio director to CHRO shaped a people-first approach that boosts retention and performance. Michael explains how he translated retail customer-experience thinking into an employee-experience playbook, why “don’t let fear be the deciding factor” guided his leap into HR, and how focusing on strengths—“aces and spaces”—builds higher-performing teams. He details the shift from transactional HR to strategic partnership, Gensler’s co-leadership model (i...
Employee Voice at Scale: EDF’s CHRO on Skills-Based Growth, Pay Equity, and AI Hiring Risks
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When politics and technology collide with your mission, how do you keep people engaged and moving forward?
Elizabeth Mattila, SVP and Chief Human Resources Officer at the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF), shares how a 1,000-person, global NGO sustains morale, builds true employee voice, and modernizes talent practices.
Elizabeth explains EDF’s science-driven, bipartisan approach to advocacy—and how transparent communication, town halls, and a clear legal strategy help teams stay focused even amid policy headwinds.
She details two structural levers for engagement: a new, peer-elected Staff Council that represents employees worl...
Chelle O’Keefe, CHRO at Associa
Integrating at Scale: Associa’s CHRO on Culture, Identity, and Bottom‑Up AI
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How do you integrate 16 acquisitions at once without losing the soul of each local business?
Chelle O’Keefe, Executive Vice President and Chief Human Resources Officer at Associa—the largest property and community management company in North America—shares a practical playbook for scaling culture while honoring local identity.
With 30,000+ communities and 4 million homeowners across the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, Associa grows primarily through M&A. Chelle explains how her team balances standardization with auton...
Stephanie Lovinger Roseman, Chief People Officer at Fortis Fire & Safety
Onsite-First HR: Fortis Fire & Safety’s CPO on Transparency, Incentives, and Practical AI
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How do you build trust and clarity for a largely frontline, onsite workforce amid inflation pressures and AI-fueled change?
Stephanie Roseman, Chief People Officer at Fortis Fire & Safety—a national provider of fire suppression, alarms, and integrated security—shares a practical playbook.
She breaks down what her latest employee survey surfaced (financial squeeze, job security, career growth, and communication) and how Fortis turns data into action: branch-level insights, manager enablement, and company-wide town halls.
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Heather Brazik Smith, Chief Human Resources Officer at BrightStar Care
Care for Caregivers: Bright Star Care’s CXO on Community, Consistency, and AI in Hiring
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How do you build connection and consistency for a largely solo, non-desk workforce?
Heather Bresick-Smith, Chief Experience Officer at Bright Star Care (formerly CHRO), shares how the home healthcare franchisor is reshaping employee experience across 13–14k caregivers through community, clear lanes of ownership, and smart tech.
Heather breaks down the shift from HR to Experience—employee, client, and soon owner experience—plus formal change management to drive franchisee adoption. She reveals Bright Star’s n...
Sunaina Lobo, Chief People Officer at Omnissa
AI-Native HR: Omnissa’s CPO on Hyper-Personalization, Skills Intelligence, and Human Connection
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How can HR lead AI adoption without losing the human core of work?
Sunaina Lobo, Chief People Officer at Omnissa—an AI-driven digital workforce platform carved out of VMware—shares how she’s building a modern “hire-to-retire” experience just six weeks into the role.
Sunaina explains why people teams must be change leaders, not just technology adopters, and how AI lets HR leapfrog legacy models like shared services to deliver truly personalized, scalable support.
She walks...
