The Hoffman Podcast

“A lot of the women in my family were silenced. …I know in my heart that speaking my truth now…is to take those skeletons out of the closet and let them dance.” – Jennifer Johnson

Writer, artist, seeker, and Hoffman Process grad, Jennifer Johnson grew up speaking the language of the arts. She sees the world with wonder, curiosity, and eternal optimism.

Before taking the Process, Jennifer wrote about her patterns, studying each like an archaeological dig. She worked hard to escape them, but couldn’t stop acting them out. Exasperated that they followed her...

“Hoffman is another place where truth resides, emerges deeper, and allows itself to flourish more in the world, in our world.” – Martin Rutte

“It is possible to change. You don’t have to repeat all of those patterns. …You’re going to be happy, and it’s okay to be happy.” – Lecia King

During the Hoffman Process, therapist Lecia King found herself feeling settled, and learning that this ‘settledness’ is a quality of being of her Spiritual Self. Through the power of the Process, Lecia began to transform the pain of her past into a deep-seated connection to who she really is.

Years later, now both a seasoned therapist and Hoffman Process teacher, this settledness is omnipresent in Lec...

.”This is the most creative thing I’ve ever experienced. …I just thought this is so wonderful because I’m not being talked at. I am being engaged, and I am being invited into an experience of myself unlike I’ve ever had.” – Sonia Choquette

Globally celebrated spiritual teacher, intuitive guide, author, and Hoffman Advisory Council member, Sonia Choquette, came to the Process guided by her intuition. Deeply connected to Spirit from a very young age, Sonia came to the Process for relational reasons. She’d noticed too many relationship “collisions” in her marriage. Her family had Holocaust...

“You can see their eyes brighter, and they finally feel like, Oh, there’s a lot of possibility … to be authentic self. That’s so powerful and meaningful for me to see that happening in China.“ – Jessie Feng

Master Certified Coach, Hoffman Process teacher, and Director of Faculty, Hoffman China, Jessie Feng joins Sadie for an inspiring conversation about growth, possibility, and healing generational patterns.

Although Jessie completed her Process in early 2025, her Process story really begins in 2011. Her relationship with her daughter was strained, so Jessie began coaching training, sure the issue was with her daughter...

“The experience of the Process was life in full, in its magnitude, in seven days.” – Natasia Schumacher

Professional Certified Coach, Certified Emotional Intelligence Practitioner, and athlete Natasia Schumacher arrived at White Sulphur Springs to take the Hoffman Process in 2018. She says, “I didn’t choose the Process; it chose me.”

As Natasia poured over her Process homework, this question stopped her: “What is your relationship to spirituality?” Eight years ago, she had no idea what spirituality or spirit meant. Her response to the question? “None.” Looking back, Natasia saw that this was the first indicator of where the Process...

“Post-Process… I could see those things differently. I could see them from the bigger view. And I could also feel how good I felt and how proud I was of myself. I knew that I could trust myself.“ – Kari Kuwahara

Kari Kuwahara came to the Hoffman Process knowing the timing was right. After a traumatic life event triggered old traumas and buried feelings, Kari was ready to do the deep work to heal her pain from her relationship with her mother. The Process offered her a way to resolve the pain of her past. Kari was ready for the f...

“Over the past few years, I’ve dug deeper into connecting with the universe, connecting with nature, knowing that I am supported by forces outside of me.” – Suha Patel

Suha Patel arrived at the Hoffman Process eight years ago. Her mantra coming in was, “I want to know who I am. I want to love myself. I want to know what I want. And I want to be able to ask for it.” Over those seven days and the eight years since, Suha has worked hard to know the answers to her questions and live into what she...

“Whether you did the Process with someone in your cohort or you find someone at a coffee shop with a Quadrinity sticker on their water bottle, there’s

“Maybe there’s a person who’s written a book, or a professor who’s done some kind of research, and then they build a curriculum based on that perfectly wonderful approach to things. But that is not the Hoffman Process, right? Because, really, Bob Hoffman understood things more intuitively. …This is a wisdom tradition program.“ – Jo Mattoon

Welcome to season 13 of Love’s Everyday Radius. Our guest is beloved Hoffman Process teacher, Jo Mattoon. In this fascinating conversation, Jo shares the ongoing changes happening within Hoffman Institute Foundation and the new Hoffman centers worldwide. Behind the scene...

“If we imagine fear as this tight fist that says, I’m not going to let go, I need to keep you safe, love comes in as just this warm hug, and it’s like, It’s all right, sweetheart, I’ve got you, you don’t have to hold this burden anymore. And the fear doesn’t want to do this…. It is doing it because it does not believe there is another path for you in order to survive or get your needs met.” – Cory Muscara

Cory Muscara

Former monk and down-to-earth sp...

“It was this conversation between three generations — but I was the only one who could speak. Someone wise told me to recognize the gifts that come with change. That was really a gift. There’s a connection there across generations. And that’s really what Hoffman does.”
– Mike Ingrasci

Hoffman’s Director of Marketing, Mike Ingrasci, sits down with Drew to talk marketing, brand, and his Hoffman experience. The son of Raz and Liza Ingrasci, founders of the Institute, Mike’s experience of Hoffman goes way back. He shares, “I think that I got H

“There was something about the Process that really allowed me to understand that there’s also a lot of healing that comes from pleasure and play and connection, and to really disentangle the parts of me that were so attached to being a sufferer, to being someone who struggled.” – Sara Bissell Rubin

Medical Sociologist and Hoffman Process grad, Sara Bissell Rubin, holds a PhD in the neuroscience of pain and is a chronic pain educator. Sara joins Sadie to talk about the physical and emotional experience of pain, th...

“It was always in a weird way, I wouldn’t say triggering, but I just didn’t like it. And then by the end, I really did love it. It just felt really heartwarming when different people in the Process, even still, since we all – a lot of us still keep in touch, and they call me Bubba, it makes me smile.” – Julie Shapiro

Hoffman grad, Julie Shapiro, found herself at a crossroads. She knew what she wanted to change in herself. Yet, she also felt unable to make that change. There’s change we can make through our ch...

“I often feel like the work is kind of a disintegrative work that we’re doing, we’re allowing the patterns and the structures to release, so that there’s sort of nowhere left to go, because there’s nothing left to lose.” – Julia Bodkin

Beloved Hoffman Process facilitator and psychotherapist, Julia Bodkin, first took the Process in India in her very early adulthood. After living quite a bit of life, she took it again in Australia. Now, as a trained professional in many healing modalities, Julia facilitates the Process in the U.K. She brings a lifetime of ex...

“At the very end, we’re all the same, and we want the same thing, which is we want to feel like we’re worthy of love and belonging.”
— Markus Bihler

The Chairman of Hoffman Institute South Africa, Markus Bihler, is a different person than he was before taking the Hoffman Process. One beautiful outcome of his Process was the journey he made from his head to his heart.

Markus spent 35-plus years of his life as a “medical anomaly,” namely, “as somebody who had a head but no body.” He live...

“Wisdom is a little bit more than just knowledge or experience; it’s a felt sense of

“It’s not just a job. It’s really a mission, a purpose to be part of something that really does contribute to the rest of the world.
It’s healing for people. It’s love for people. It’s Spirit for people.” – Robin Linde

Today’s episode is an exciting two-for-one. Robin Linde, Senior Director of Operations – Infrastructure, joins Drew for a video walkabout of Santa Sabina, Hoffman’s new retreat site. A ’97 Hoffman grad, Robin also sits down with Drew for a conversation about her relationship to the Process and to Hoffman. 

After complet...

“I feel like we are our own greatest science experiment.” – Jake Daigle

As Hoffman’s Facility and Land Manager, Jake Daigle weaves his love and care for the land with his love and care for the Hoffman Process. He found an intimacy with the land and wildlife at the IONS site in Petaluma when he and his wife, Christine, were caretakers there for many years. Now, as we transition to Santa Sabina, Jake looks back on his time at the Hoffman Retreat Site in Petaluma, working for Hoffman and supporting the students who have transformed there over the year...

“You know, there’s that old saying, anywhere you go, there you are.
The Hoffman Process brings that magic with it wherever it goes.”
– Perry Dorsey Jr.

Today’s guest is Perry Dorsey Jr., Hoffman Institute’s retreat site manager and a beautiful human being. As we transition from Petaluma Retreat Center to our new Santa Sabina Retreat Center, we invited Perry to share his wisdom with you. He tells the story of how the land nurtured him during his Process. The land continued to do so as he stepped into his important role at Hoff...

How can I just be in the sensing of my life and the experiences that I have,
rather than having to wrestle and fight those?” – Cindy Murray

We are thrilled to have beloved Hoffman teacher and coach, Cindy Murray, as our guest today. Cindy responds to Drew’s question – Why the Process? – sharing a few reasons. Cindy had been very successful in her career as a psychotherapist and educator. After suffering a traumatic brain injury, Cindy was shaken. She’d relied heavily on her intellect in her career for success. How would she move forward now...

“The relationship I have with my girls now is just remarkable. It’s remarkable. I’m so blessed.”
– Steve Cieciuch

Husband, father, avid skier, and fly-fisher, Steve Cieciuch is living, in his words, a remarkable life. Steve begins his story recounting the 2004 horrific avalanche in British Columbia that he survived, but which took the life of his skiing partner and friend. Steve has lost five friends. Concurrently, Steve and his wife were trying to start a family. Over the years, they experienced five miscarriages. Eventually, they gave birth to two beautiful daughters.

In 2019, f...

“I wanted to live my very best life. I wanted to know who I really am.” – Jan Docherty

Do you ever wonder who you really are? Today’s guest, Jan Docherty, did. She wanted to know who she really is and what she could accomplish living as her true self. Jan came to the Hoffman Process to find the answers to these questions. She left knowing herself and loving herself, too.

Jan joined Sadie for this forthright conversation about self-knowledge, passion, and healing. Jan is passionate about life. Adopted early on, life was unconven...

“I’ve just started to tap into that, trusting a little bit faster over time. Because I see that when I make these decisions that feel aligned with what I want, and I believe is right for me, that on the other side, I haven’t regretted one of those decisions.” Allison Kahler

Allison Kahler attended the Hoffman Process in 2024 after experiencing multiple big life changes. The Process helped her integrate these changes. One year later, Allison returned for the graduate Q2 in search of the catalyst that would move her forward into her new life.

“It’s huge to find out that who you are is really not who you’re afraid you are,
and not all the patterns you’ve been acting out.” – Andy Milberg

Beloved Hoffman teacher, Andy Milberg, has been teaching the Process since August 1991. Bob Hoffman, founder of the Hoffman Process, trained Andy to become a teacher. One thing Andy is known for is his articulate, nuanced ability to explain the foundational theory of the Process – Negative Love.

Drew and Andy dive deep into the Negative Love Syndrome and how it plays out in our lives. Showing...

“I have all these learned behaviors, and … was seeing them play out in my own family, with my own children, and thinking about the generational transference of hurt and wounds and wanting to do what I could to minimize that.” – Carrie Levine

Certified nurse-midwife and functional medicine practitioner Carrie Levine has had a lifelong interest in deep exploration. She completed the Hoffman Process in 2024, having learned about patterns years earlier from reading Bob Hoffman’s book, No One Is to Blame. She truly understood Bob Hoffman’s realization that “No one is to blame.”

Self-described...

“Oddly enough, it’s the vulnerability that connects us.
It’s not the perfect; yeah, that’s like Teflon.” – Mike Depatie

Mike Depatie, Founding Partner of KHP Capital Partners, attended the Hoffman Process in 2005. At the Process, Mike looked around the room and felt like he didn’t belong. He wasn’t even sure it was right for him because he felt he had a kind of Leave-it-to-Beaver childhood. Mike stayed through that discomfort and came to understand that even though he felt he had nothing in common with those he was with, he had come to love...

“Welcome your enemy, welcome the darkness. Let everybody come and sit with you at the table.
Welcome with open arms, with love, with light. …That is when everything dissolves, and you are free.”
– Tamsyn Strydom

Before discovering the Hoffman Process, Tamsyn Strydom shares that her life had “quietly begun to shut down.” She felt overwhelmed, facing unexplained health challenges and struggling to get out of bed after relocating to a new country.

Coming to the Process with a Hoffman scholarship and a quiet, desperate urgency to heal, Tamsyn felt hope. She knew that do...

“I used to believe that I needed to transcend being human to be enough,
and now I see

“Trust in your inner knowing. Absolutely. And know that your angels do have your back.” – Nicole Olivier

Screenwriter and Hoffman Process graduate Nicole Olivier has a profound ancestral history. As a daughter of families active in France and Norway’s WWII Resistance, she grew up hearing family stories of moral courage and being of service. Nicole has woven these ancestral stories into her life’s work and art.

Nicole is mindful of her ancestral patterns and epigenetics; how trauma was passed down and lives inside of her. During her childhood, she witnessed...

“Just like I can choose to stop making that line on that canvas,
I have choice to stop making that pattern in life.” – Veta McFall

Professional artist and Hoffman Process graduate Veta McFall felt a growing call for change within as she approached her 40th birthday. Until then, she’d been a commissioned portrait painter of people and animals. This was a call for deeper creativity. It started a mysterious process as she began to paint with her hands and watch the abstract art appear without any expectations. Veta had no idea what the paintings...

“By doing this work, we know there’s something powerful about how
the human heart opens in the presence of other open-hearted humans.”
– Matt Brannagan, CEO, Hoffman Institute Foundation

We open season 12 of The Hoffman Podcast with Matt Brannagan, Hoffman Process teacher and Hoffman Institute’s new CEO. In conversation with Drew, Matt reflects on this moment of transition and the thoughtful leadership handoff shaped by Raz and Liza Ingrasci. Their generosity, wisdom, and long-term vision laid the foundation for what Matt terms “Hoffman 3.0.” It’s an evolution rooted in continuity, care, and purpos...

“In the Process, I came to realize … how nature in my own life had been such a healing force.”
– James Bonilla

We wrap up season 11 with New York-born Puerto Rican writer and retired professor emeritus, James Bonilla.

James’s story is filled with transformation, healing, and wisdom. Born with congenital cataracts, at the age of nine, his right eye was injured in school by a fellow student’s actions. For over ten years, James was blind. At the age of 19, doctors removed the cataracts (although the childhood injury remained). On his way home from th...

“So much of what I was trying to address was so buried deep within me. It was like scratching an impossible itch, and then, finally, I got to Hoffman, and I was like, Oh my gosh, I can reach the spot. Wow.”
– Emma Swift

Singer-songwriter Emma Swift sits down with Sadie to talk about her time at the Hoffman Process, a time she says was “utterly magical.”

Emma’s story incorporates many lands. Her homeland is Australia. Her new home is Nashville, Tennessee. The rolling hills of Northern California and White Sulphur Springs are...

Brian James Daly, somatic healer, men’s team leader, and addiction coach, shares his Process journey and his following journey of embodiment. Embodiment is where it’s at for Brian. He calls it the ground game because it took him deep into himself to see those parts of himself that he’d been carrying hidden for so long. And once seen, they can be integrated and somatically expressed.

Brian shares that where he came from, “everything looked really

“It is my life that I claim. That sense of empowerment wouldn’t

Welcome to today’s episode with host Sadie and a medical panel of three Hoffman Process graduates who are also esteemed medical practitioners. Our host, Sadie, Carrie Levine, Dr. David Hanscom, and Dr. Kash Trivedi engage in this powerful conversation. They cover the connection between emotional health and physical health, the mind-body connection, finding the safety within needed to heal, and so much more.

With her background as a licensed Nurse Practitioner, Sadie guides the panel with insightful questions. Our guests answer through their embodied learning from both the Process and their many years of medical practice. Th...

“I can only describe the Process in poetry, because it’s that spiritual for me.” Jessica Harjo

In July 2022, Jessica Harjo came to the Hoffman Process to learn how to parent after realizing the coping mechanisms she’d developed to help her manage the weight of motherhood and career no longer worked for her. And of course, she came for so much more than she could imagine.

As a Native woman with a complex multicultural ancestry – Indigenous, San Carlos Apache, Indigenous, Chicana, Mexican, Filipina, Japanese, and European – Jessica found the Process to be deeply spiritual. She shares t...

“I reclaimed my Power to create. …
There’s no amount of suffering that is beyond what can’t be healed.”
Dr. Angela Le

Dr. Angela Le specializes in women’s reproductive and hormonal health through acupuncture, Chinese Medicine, and Somatic Experiencing.

In 2014, Angela was going through a Dark Night of the Soul. She was desperate. She then remembered hearing about the Hoffman Process twenty years earlier. Feeling great relief to finally ask for help, she registered and then arrived for her Process three weeks later.

In hindsight, Angela shares she “would ha...

“We’re 100% Divine and 100% human. It’s in that shared common connection between the two of those that real magic happens.” Drew Horning

Hoffman teacher, coach, and podcast host, Drew Horning, sits in the guest chair today to share about his time in the Process and so much more.

Drew originally came to the Process in 2013 for support with marital relationship issues, having heard about Hoffman from someone in his men’s group. Looking back, Drew says Hoffman was one of the most profound experiences of his life. Just a year later, in 2014, he began h...