Unmuted: Voices of Leaders
Hosted by Charisse Deschenes and Kellye Mazzoli, Unmuted is the podcast for leaders in local government and public service who want real conversations about the parts of leadership no one talks about. We explore both the challenges and the wins, from navigating burnout to rediscovering purpose, with honesty and heart. Each episode offers candid insights, personal stories, and practical takeaways to help you grow, stay well, and stay connected in the work you love.
Beyond the Influence: Redefining Leadership and Identity without Alcohol
Ending the year with an important topic, this conversation explores the profound impact of alcohol on leadership and personal well-being. Kellye and Charisse discuss the physiological and emotional effects of alcohol, share personal experiences of quitting drinking, and highlight the benefits of clarity and confidence gained from an alcohol-free lifestyle. They also delve into the changing landscape of non-alcoholic options in social settings and the importance of emotional regulation for effective leadership.
Takeaways
Alcohol numbs stress and is culturally woven into coping mechanisms.Removing alcohol can lead to immediate improvements in sleep and cognitive clarity.Curiosity...A Real UNMUTED Holiday Conversation
In this holiday-themed episode of Unmuted, hosts Charisse and Kellye explore the realities of holiday celebrations, emphasizing the importance of presence over perfection. They discuss evolving traditions, the joy of unplanned moments, and the leadership lessons that can be drawn from holiday experiences. The conversation highlights the significance of protecting holiday time, reflecting on the past year, and looking ahead to the future with intention. The hosts share personal anecdotes, favorite holiday foods, and lighthearted moments, creating a warm and engaging atmosphere for listeners.
Takeaways
The best holidays are about being present with loved ones.Leaders...Inside the City Executive Circle: A Private Space for City Leaders
City executives are expected to lead with clarity, composure, and confidence while carrying significant political, organizational, and emotional responsibility. What they are rarely given is a private place to think, process, and recalibrate.
In this episode of Unmuted, Kellye Mazzoli and Charisse Deschenes explore why the City Executive Circle was created and why it was intentionally designed as a private leadership environment for city executives. This is not a generic leadership space. It is built specifically for city managers, assistant and deputy managers, and department directors who need clarity, steadiness, and connection without public exposure.
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The Art of Changing and Finding Clarity in Transition
Charisse and Kellye talk the complexities of transitions and change, particularly in leadership roles. They discuss the discomfort that often accompanies change, the importance of self-awareness, and the need for quiet reflection during times of transition. The conversation emphasizes that transitions are not just about changing circumstances but also about identity and personal growth. The hosts encourage listeners to embrace change as an opportunity for growth and to recognize the signs of misalignment in their lives.
Takeaways
Transitions can shake your foundation, even positive ones.Awareness is the first step in leadership maturity.Discomfort during transitions...From City Management to Entrepreneurship
Kellye and Charisse discuss the potential challenges and opportunities faced by city management professionals as they transition into entrepreneurship. They explore the identity shifts that occur when leaving traditional roles, the transferable skills gained from city management, and the importance of coaching in supporting leaders. The conversation emphasizes the need for clarity, sustainability, and the creation of supportive environments for city managers and executives. Ultimately, they encourage listeners to embrace new possibilities and stay true to their passions while navigating their careers.
Takeaways
City management leaders are feeling overwhelmed and uncertain about their future.Many are...Taking and Holding Space: Leadership in Action
Kellye and Charisse explore the critical balance between holding space and taking space in leadership. They discuss how these dynamics shape team interactions and the importance of being aware of one's default patterns in managing space. The conversation emphasizes the need for leaders to practice presence, clarity, and regulation to foster a healthy team environment where all voices can be heard and valued.
Takeaways
Leadership involves managing the flow of space intentionally.Holding space means being present without absorbing others' emotions.Taking space provides clarity and direction for the team.Both holding and taking space are...Family Ties: Setting Boundaries for Holiday Peace
Charisse and Kellye discuss the challenges of integrating work and family life, especially during the holiday season. They explore how to manage stress, the importance of setting boundaries, and the art of sharing personal experiences without oversharing. The conversation highlights the significance of being present with family and the value of choosing presence over pressure.
Takeaways
Balancing work and family during holidays is challenging.Setting boundaries helps manage stress effectively.Sharing experiences without oversharing is an art.Being present with family is crucial.Choosing presence over pressure is a valuable practice.Work stress doesn't pause for...Post Election Hangover: What Happens After the Votes Are In
Kellye and Charisse discuss the transition period following elections, referring to as the "post-election hangover." They explore the challenges leaders face in local government during this time, emphasizing the importance of maintaining calm and clarity amidst changing priorities and political climates. The conversation highlights the need for intentional leadership, effective communication, and the ability to navigate uncertainty while keeping the community's needs at the forefront.
Takeaways
Leadership is tested when conditions change.Elections are part of the natural cycle, not a crisis.Local government should remain non-partisan.Communication gaps can lead to assumptions and rumors.Community...Keeping that Post Conference Glow Alive
Kellye and Charisse explore the phenomenon of the "conference glow." You know, that invigorating energy and connection felt during conferences. They discuss the challenges of maintaining this energy upon returning to daily routines and share strategies for integrating insights and connections into everyday life. The importance of reflection, intentional outreach, and creating a supportive community is emphasized as key to sustaining the glow beyond the conference experience.
Takeaways
The conference glow is a shared experience that energizes participants.Returning to routine can cause the glow to fade, but it's a natural process.Intentional actions can help...Hope is Not Naive: Optimism, Pessimism, and Leadership
Charisse and Kellye explore the delicate balance between optimism and pessimism in leadership, particularly within public service. They discuss the importance of hope as a catalyst for innovation, the risks associated with inaction, and the need for grounded optimism. The dialogue emphasizes the significance of creating a culture that encourages responsible creativity while managing risks effectively. The speakers also highlight the emotional and physical aspects of leadership, advocating for awareness and curiosity as essential traits for effective leaders.
Takeaways
The tension between risk and progress is a daily challenge for leaders.Hope is often misunderstood as...Structure, Freedom, and Leadership Energy
Kellye and Charisse explore the complex relationship between structure and freedom in leadership. They discuss the importance of finding a balance between being overly structured and too loose, emphasizing that both extremes can lead to feelings of being stuck. The conversation delves into the concepts of outer and inner structure, the rhythm framework of anchors, focus blocks, and margins, and the necessity of adapting one's structure to align with personal energy and creativity. Ultimately, they advocate for a dynamic approach to structure that supports individual growth and well-being.
Takeaways
Both too much and too little structure...The Leader Within: Seeing Yourself Clearly
Charisse and Kellye explore the deeper aspects of leadership, focusing on self-awareness, the inner story of leaders, the impact of their presence on teams, and the importance of personal growth. They emphasize that true leadership is about serving others and understanding how one's leadership style affects those around them. The conversation encourages leaders to reflect on their own experiences and the emotional footprint they leave behind, ultimately guiding them towards more intentional and effective leadership practices.
Takeaways
Leadership is about self-awareness and understanding your inner story.Your leadership style impacts how others experience you.Helping others...Leadership Lessons from Paw Paw: The Art of Being Scrappy
In this heartfelt episode, Charisse helps Kellye share the profound impact her grandfather, Paw Paw, had on her life and leadership philosophy. As Kellye reflects on his legacy, she highlights the lessons of scrappiness, resourcefulness, and the importance of humor in leadership. Through personal anecdotes, Kellye illustrates how Paw Paw's unconditional love and support shaped her understanding of leadership and resilience. This conversation serves as a tribute to the values he instilled in her and the lasting influence he has on her approach to life and work.
Takeaways
Paw Paw embodied the essence of being scrappy...Election Season: Strategies to Prepare Staff and Onboard Council
Charisse and Kellye discuss the complexities of election season, sometimes known as 'silly season.' They explore the challenges faced by public service staff, the importance of preparation, and the need for clear communication and policies. The conversation covers scenario planning for potential election outcomes, effective onboarding for new councils, managing project timelines, and navigating the use of public resources. The episode emphasizes the significance of maintaining public trust and neutrality during politically charged times.
Takeaways
Silly season refers to the election period when public service work is scrutinized.Neutrality is not just a best practice...Don't Give A Ding: Turning Off Notifications, Turning On Productivity
Kellye and Charisse discuss the detrimental effects of constant notifications on focus and decision-making for city leaders. They explore the neuroscience behind distractions, the concept of decision fatigue, and the importance of creating a culture that prioritizes deep work. The conversation emphasizes practical strategies for managing distractions, including auditing notifications, batching tasks, and establishing boundaries to reclaim focus and enhance leadership effectiveness.
Takeaways
Constant notifications create a dopamine loop that distracts the brain.It takes an average of 23 minutes to regain focus after a distraction.Burnout is often a result of mental fatigue from constant interruptions.95...Can You Really Lead When You Feel Uninspired?
Charisse and Kellye explore the complexities of inspiration, particularly when it's feeling a little dim. They discuss the importance of showing up even when motivation is lacking, the value of small moments of joy, and the impact of external noise on your days. The conversation emphasizes the ebb and flow of inspiration, encouraging listeners to embrace their feelings and recognize that it's okay to not always feel inspired. Through personal anecdotes and practical tips, they highlight the significance of community, self-care, and honesty in nurturing creativity back alive.
Takeaways
It's okay to feel uninspired sometimes.Showing...Unpacking Mental Health Language: Beyond Buzzwords
Kellye and Charisse discuss the impact of language, particularly the misuse of terms like gaslighting, narcissism, and trauma. They emphasize the importance of using precise language to avoid diluting the meaning of these serious concepts and the potential harm that can arise from casual usage. The conversation explores the consequences of mislabeling behaviors and the stigma associated with mental health diagnoses. The hosts also offer practical solutions for communicating more effectively and mindfully.
Takeaways
The words we choose shape our perceptions and interactions.Misusing mental health terms can dilute their meaning and impact.Gaslighting is a...Redefining Work-Life Balance: Why Words Matter
Charisse and Kellye explore the multifaceted nature of productivity, emphasizing that it extends beyond traditional work metrics to include roles such as caregivers, community members, and friends. They discuss the importance of recognizing invisible work, the need for integration over balance in work and life, and the significance of engagement. The conversation also highlights systemic changes needed in workplace culture to foster trust and measure productivity by outcomes rather than hours logged. Listeners are challenged to reflect on their contributions outside of work and to engage more deeply with their communities.
Takeaways
Productivity is not just...Stay or Go? Choosing Alignment Over Obligation
Kellye and Charisse explore the complex decision-making process leaders face when considering whether to stay in their current roles or move on. They discuss the importance of aligning personal values with organizational culture, recognizing signs of misalignment, and the emotional and physical toll that such decisions can take. The conversation emphasizes the need for self-reflection, courage, and practical steps to navigate these challenging crossroads in leadership.
Takeaways
The decision to stay or go is deeply personal.Our bodies often signal misalignment before our minds do.Not every rough patch in a job means it's time to...Beyond the Spark: Understanding Passion Fatigue in Leadership
Charisse and Kellye explore the complexities of maintaining passion in public service roles. They discuss the gradual fading of enthusiasm, the challenges of identity tied to public service, and the importance of recognizing signals of change. The dialogue emphasizes the need for self-reflection, the acceptance of evolving values, and the encouragement to embrace new possibilities for personal growth and fulfillment.
Takeaways
When passion fades, it may signal a need for change.It's common for public servants to feel a sense of obligation.Identity can be deeply tied to one's role in public service.Recognizing the shift...Unveiling Kellye: A Personal Interview About Passion and Purpose
Charisse interviews Kellye Mazzoli, who shares her journey from a challenging childhood to becoming an assistant city manager and eventually transitioning into coaching. She discusses the significant influences in her life, the importance of education, and the role of mentorship in shaping her career. Kellye reflects on the challenges faced in city management, including navigating media scrutiny and the personal battles of leadership. She emphasizes the need for resilience, emotional intelligence, and intentionality in leadership roles. As she looks to the future, Kellye expresses her desire to help others in the field of city management and to create a...
From Small Town to Public Service: Charisse's Journey
Kellye interviews Charisse Deschenes, exploring her journey from childhood in a small town to a career in public service. Charisse shares her experiences in local government, the challenges she faced, and the importance of taking a sabbatical for personal growth. She discusses her new venture, Lead from Center, which focuses on health coaching for leaders in local government, emphasizing the need for support and connection in the profession. The conversation highlights the significance of knowing one's values and the impact of community service.
Takeaways
Charisse's diverse upbringing shaped her perspective on community.Her early passion for...Navigating the Discomfort Zone
Kellye and Charisse explore the concept of discomfort as a necessary component of growth, particularly in leadership roles. They discuss the allure of comfort and its potential to stifle innovation and progress. The conversation delves into various types of discomfort—identity, skill, and relational—and how embracing these challenges can lead to personal and professional development. The hosts share personal anecdotes and practical strategies for reframing discomfort as a pathway to growth, emphasizing the importance of recognizing signals that indicate it's time to step out of one's comfort zone.
Takeaways
Support Systems: Navigating Leadership Isolation
Charisse and Kellye discuss the critical role of support systems in leadership. They explore the consequences of isolation, the different types of support available, and how to build and maintain these systems effectively. The conversation emphasizes that leadership is not a solo endeavor and that seeking support is a sign of strength, not weakness.
Takeaways
Leadership doesn't mean doing it all alone.Independence isn't always strength without support.Without support, even the strongest leaders burn out.Isolation distorts perspective and decision-making.Trusted peers and mentors are essential for clarity.Burnout accelerates without a release valve.Strong...Get Out of Town: The Conference Advantage for City Managers
Charisse and Kellye discuss the critical importance of attending conferences for city managers and leaders. They explore the value of networking, the return on investment, and the personal and professional growth that comes from engaging with peers. The conversation emphasizes the need to overcome guilt associated with attending conferences and offers practical tips for maximizing the experience. Ultimately, the hosts encourage listeners to embrace opportunities for connection and recharge their morale through these events.
Takeaways
Conferences provide essential networking opportunities.Connection is vital for city managers.Attending conferences can lead to fresh ideas.It's important to...Decoding LinkedIn's Green Banner: More than Just "Open to Work"
Kellye and Charisse discuss the implications of the 'Open to Work' banner on LinkedIn, exploring its significance in the job market and the messages it sends about employee engagement and leadership. They emphasize the importance of understanding the motivations behind this public declaration and how leaders can respond effectively to such signals from their employees. The conversation also touches on the need for empowerment and ownership in career decisions, encouraging individuals to reflect on their professional paths and the environments they work in.
Takeaways
The 'Open to Work' banner is a significant signal.Employees often post...Perfectionism is Sneaky
Kellye and Charisse discuss the pervasive issue of perfectionism among leaders. They explore how perfectionism manifests as high standards and fear, leading to stress and isolation. Through personal anecdotes, they highlight the hidden costs of striving for perfection, including mental and physical health impacts. The conversation emphasizes the importance of authenticity in leadership and the need to detach self-worth from outcomes. They encourage listeners to embrace vulnerability and lead without the pressure of perfection.
Chapters
00:00 The Hidden Costs of Perfectionism
01:37Â Personal Stories of Leadership and Perfectionism
04:43 Decision-Making Under Pressure
08:28 T...
Digesting Feelings: The Truth About Emotional Eating
Kellye and Charisse delve into the complexities of emotional eating and the subconscious behaviors that lead to emotional sabotage. They explore how leaders often suppress their emotions, leading to unhealthy coping mechanisms, and discuss the neuroscience behind these patterns. The conversation emphasizes the importance of awareness and practical steps to break the cycle of numbing behaviors, ultimately guiding listeners towards healing and healthier choices.
Chapters
00:00Â Understanding Emotional Eating and Its Impact
08:29Â The Neuroscience of Emotional Sabotage
16:23 Â Breaking the Cycle of Emotional Numbing
Takeaways
Emotional eating is a way to...The Creative Dance: How Movement Fuels Innovation
Kellye and Charisse explore the significance of movement and creativity in our lives, emphasizing the importance of presence and play over productivity. They share personal experiences with activities like roller skating, swimming, and dancing, highlighting how these practices reconnect them with joy and self-expression. The conversation delves into the science behind movement's impact on creativity and leadership, discussing the dangers of burnout and the necessity of cultivating creativity in both personal and professional realms. Ultimately, they encourage listeners to reclaim their right to play and find joy in the process of movement and creation.
Chapters
00:00 Reconnecting...
Brief Origins of Our Unmuted Journey
Charisse and Kellye introduce their podcast, sharing their motivations for creating a space where public service professionals can openly discuss their experiences in life, work, and leadership. They emphasize the importance of authenticity, vulnerability, and community, aiming to connect with listeners who may feel isolated in their journeys. The episode outlines what listeners can expect in future episodes, including personal stories, reflections, and discussions on various topics related to personal growth and public service.
Chapters
00:00 Welcome to Unmuted: Setting the Stage
03:22 The Journey of Self-Discovery
05:57 Personal Stories and Professional Backgrounds
08:14 What to Expect...
Why Another Podcast? Why Unmuted?
Kellye and Charisse discuss the motivations behind their podcast, focusing on the challenges and personal experiences of leaders in local government. They emphasize the importance of connection, personal and professional development, and the need for wellness in public service. The hosts share their journeys, the significance of stepping away from traditional roles to gain perspective, and their commitment to supporting fellow leaders through shared experiences and insights.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Unmuted Podcast
05:40 Health and Wellness in Public Service
11:13 Backgrounds and Shared Experiences
Takeaways
Feeling alone in our thoughts and feelings during...
(Trailer) Unmuted: Voices of Service-Driven Leaders
In this trailer, Charisse and Kellye, former city executives turned life and health coaches, invite you to stop performing leadership and start reclaiming your vitality and life. They plan to share personal stories, the unlearning they've done, and the tools they now teach to help you come off mute and lead without leaving yourself behind.