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In this episode of *The Scope Podcast*, hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner dive into the unexpected fallout from their recent interview with Derek Braun, the organizer behind the 2026 FEI World Cup Finals. Initially excited about the opportunity to discuss the event and its challenges, things took a turn when Braun requested the removal of the episode and all related social media clips. 

Jen and Karen reflect on the interview's dynamics, including how questions surrounding ticket prices and spectator turnout led to Braun’s discomfort. They discuss their intentions behind the que...

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In this episode of *The Scope Podcast*, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker welcome Derek Braun, the president of Split Rock Jumping Tour and organizer of the highly anticipated 2026 World Cup Finals in Fort Worth. The trio dives into the behind-the-scenes efforts that made this event a standout success, with Derek sharing insights on his team’s meticulous four-year planning process and attention to detail.

Listeners will hear about the seamless execution of the event. Derek emphasizes the importance of creating a perfect environment for both horses and riders, detailing how ev...

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In this episode of **The Scope Podcast**, hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner welcome special guest Dr. Magda Wylie from South Carolina Equine Associates to dive into the intricacies of the pre-purchase exam (PPE) for horses. With Karen’s limited personal experience but a strong medical background as an athletic trainer, the conversation kicks off with a candid discussion about the purpose and importance of the PPE.

Dr. Wylie dispels common misconceptions, emphasizing that pre-purchase exams are not black-and-white pass/fail scenarios but rather comprehensive risk assessments tailored to buyer expectations an...

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In this episode of *The Scope* Podcast, hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner dive into the latest scandal rocking Wellington International. The episode kicks off with a light-hearted discussion about weddings, rompers, and family introductions, but quickly transitions to serious topics surrounding the alleged misconduct of the former Wellington International CEO, Murray Kessler. 

As they unpack the allegations against Kessler, including claims of employee battery and the subsequent fallout, Jen and Karen emphasize the importance of factual reporting in the equestrian community. They also explore how the U.S. Equestrian Federation (U...

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Join hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner in this lively episode of *The Scope Podcast* as they dive into the fascinating and controversial world of braiding in the hunter world. Titled "Braider Gate," this episode unpacks the recent drama surrounding the U.S.E.F.  rule mandating horses to have six consecutive hours of rest, creating a stir among braiders and show organizers.

### Key Topics Covered:

- **The Braiding Dilemma**: Explore why braiding has become a hot-button issue this winter at the World Equestrian Center (WEC) and how new r...

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In this episode of *The Scope Podcast*, hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner dive deep into the world of deviled eggs and the complexities of drug regulations in horse shows. With a mix of humor and expert insight, they kick things off discussing the art of making the perfect deviled egg—those delightful Southern staples that Jen claims she could whip up for dinner any day.

As the conversation shifts from culinary delights to the serious topic of the new USEF drug rule set to take effect on June 1, 2026, the duo un...

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In this episode of Scope, Jen Barker and Karen Tanner dive into the complexities of advancement in equestrian sports, exploring the fine line between ambition and readiness. With a nostalgic nod to the 80s and 90s, they share personal hair journeys while transitioning into a serious discussion about the pressures trainers  feel up allow riders to "move up" in jumping levels. 

The hosts dissect the notion of advancement as a status symbol and the potential pitfalls it can create for both riders and trainers. They emphasize the importance of competency over me...

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In this captivating episode of **The Scope Podcast**, hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner dive into the wild world of true crime, focusing on the notorious case of Rita Crundwell—responsible for the largest municipal fraud in U.S. history. 

Join them as they explore the intricacies of Crundwell’s 20-year embezzlement scheme that siphoned off a staggering $53 million from her hometown of Dixon, Illinois. From her charming demeanor as the town's comptroller to the shocking revelations of her lavish spending on horses, spa visits, and luxury vehicles, Jen and Karen peel...

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Join co-hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner for lively discussions that dive deep into the world of sports, especially focusing on the unique dynamics of equestrian athletics. In this episode, they explore the fascinating intersection of gender in sports, the role of sponsorship, and the emotional connections that shape the rider-horse bond.

From the fun of imagining a Flavor Flav-themed party in Vegas to dissecting the importance of representation in equestrian sports, Jen and Karen bring their signature humor and insight to the conversation. They tackle thought-provoking q...

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In this episode of **The Scope Podcast**, hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner welcome the multi-talented Maxi Witrak, a comedian, actress, fitness trainer, and graduate of Johns Hopkins University, who hails from Los Angeles. Maxi shares her fascinating journey through the equestrian world, detailing her early experiences in various riding disciplines, including Arabian and Morgan shows, fox hunting, and endurance riding. 

As the conversation unfolds, Maxi draws parallels between the adrenaline rush of performing in comedy and the pressures of competing in horseback riding. She reflects on her childhood experiences under h...

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Join hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner in this lively episode of "The Scope Podcast,” where they dive into the world of coaching dynamics through the lens of "Red Flag, Green Flag, Pink Flag." 

### Key Highlights:
- **Pushing Comfort Zones**: Jen and Karen explore the green flags of a coach who encourages growth while also recognizing the delicate balance needed to avoid overwhelming students. 
- **Assessing Progress**: The duo tackles the complexities of progress in training, debating whether lack of improvement is a coach's fault or a matter of indi...

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In this episode of *The Scope Podcast*, hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner delve into the world of equestrian sports with a special guest, Daniel Geitner, the 2025 USEF National Horseman of the Year and co-founder of the United States Equestrian Trainers Association (USETA). 

Join us as we explore the origins of USETA, a groundbreaking organization aimed at giving equestrian trainers a united voice to address their concerns with governing bodies like USEF and USHJA. Daniel shares the story behind the association's inception, sparked by frustrations voiced at horse shows, and discusses i...

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Join co-hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner on this part two episode of *The Scope Podcast* as they dive deep into the evolving landscape of NCEA equestrian sports, particularly focusing on the recent transition of the UC Davis equestrian team to a club sport.

The hosts discuss the controversial replacement of equestrian with stunt as an NCAA Division 1 sport at UC Davis, examining the implications for female athletes and the broader equestrian community. They emphasize the need for solidarity among women’s sports rather than tearing each other down. 

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In this sure-to-be controversial episode of *The Scope Podcast*, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker explore the intricacies of Title IX and its implications for equestrian sports, alongside the recent downgrade of the UC Davis equestrian team from a Division 1 varsity sport to a club sport. With heartfelt sympathy for the affected athletes, they express hopes for the team’s future while emphasizing the need for other Division 1 equestrian teams to recognize this shift as a warning signal.

The conversation delves into the financial challenges facing equestrian programs, specifically when compared to...

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In this thought-provoking episode of *The Scope* podcast, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker dive into the nuanced world of equine care, exploring the fine line between effective horsemanship and an overwhelming reliance on excessive services. As trends like massage therapy, cryotherapy, and various supplements gain popularity, the duo questions whether these treatments are truly necessary for every horse.

Karen and Jen tackle the implications of this shift, pondering if the rise of "extra" treatments is creating barriers to entry in equestrian sports, making them less accessible to aspiring riders and...

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As we step into the new year, it's the perfect time for equestrians to reflect and set intentions that will elevate their riding experience and horse care practices. In this episode, we delve into five transformative New Year’s resolutions tailored specifically for horse lovers. 

1. **Purge, Clean, and Repair Equipment and Tack**: Learn the importance of starting fresh by decluttering your tack room or tack trunk. We’ll discuss how regular maintenance can extend the life of your gear and enhance safety.

2. **Establish an Organizational System**: Discover effective strategies for o...

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In this thought-provoking episode of *The Scope Podcast*, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker take a closer look at a compelling statement made by their recent guest, Ronny Riemer, the esteemed German riding instructor. Ronny stirred the pot with his assertion that he doesn’t have clients—he has students—and emphasized that his primary concern lies not in the happiness of these individuals, but rather in the care of their horses and his role as an exceptional athletic coach.

As Karen and Jen delve into this provocative viewpoint, they explore the im...

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Join cohosts Karen and Jen in this exciting episode as they sit down with Ronny Reimer,  known online as The German Riding Instructor. Ronny shares his unique insights into the newly formed United Dressage and Jumping Club (UDJC) and his unofficial title as the “ultra supporter.” 

Dive into a rich discussion about how European equestrians cultivate a community-centered atmosphere at horse shows.  

Listen in as he describes how, as co-founder of the Local Champions Tour, he’s using the European equestrian model to help make the sport more accessible for Ameri...

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In this engaging episode of the Scope Podcast, hosts Karen and Jen dive into an array of listener questions that cover essential topics in the equestrian world. 

- **OTTBs vs. Warmbloods:** Tune in as they discuss the pros and cons of Off-the-Track Thoroughbreds vs. warmbloods. 
  
- **Decline in Horsemanship:** Karen and Jen explore some possible reasons behind  the perceived decline in horsemanship skills. 

- **Professional vs. Amateur Riders:** The hosts analyze  discuss when and why professional riders compete against amateur...

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Join hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker in this exciting episode of the **Scope Podcast**, where they dive into some of the most common questions Jen receives as a horse trainer. 

In this episode:

- **Karen** poses typical inquiries like “How much does a Junior Hunter cost?” and “How do I teach my horse to change leads?”
- **Jen** shares her insights and experiences from the world of equestrian sports, providing practical advice and tips for listeners.
- The duo then turns to ChatGPT for answers to the same...

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In this episode of *The Scope Podcast*, Jen Barker dives into the world of equine transportation with a special guest, her brother, John Barker an experienced truck driver and self-proclaimed "equine relocation specialist" for Johnson Horse Transportation. 

Join Jen and John as they explore the ins and outs of shipping horses, sharing invaluable insights for horse owners looking to prepare their animals and equipment for a smooth transport experience. John candidly reveals the essential things he wishes every client knew about his job, including common practices that can complicate the process, s...

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Join hosts Jen, a seasoned professional horse trainer and rider, and Karen, a dedicated horse show parent and former client of Jen's, as they dive into the fascinating world of horse training and client relationships in this week’s episode. 

In a fun and insightful game they call “Red Flag, Green Flag, Pink Flag,” Jen presents various scenarios to Karen, who helps determine whether each situation is a red flag (a serious concern), a green flag (a positive indicator), or a pink flag (somewhat concerning but requiring more information). 

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'Tis the season! Karen and Jen have made their lists and checked them twice...listen to find out who has been naughty and who has been nice!

Also, Karen and Jen discuss great gifts for clients and sweet surprises for trainers--and even get some help from Adriane Potter of The Tack Room in Camden South Carolina. You won't want to miss any of the recommendations! 

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**Want to see the red flags in all of their glory? This episode is also available on The Scope Podcast’s YouTube Channel!!**

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Join hosts Jen, a seasoned horse trainer and rider, and Karen, a dedicated horse show parent and one of Jen's former clients, for a thought-provoking episode of The Scope Podcast! In this entertaining new segment, "Red Flag, Green Flag, or Pink Flag," the duo dives into some controversial practices in Equestrian Sports. 

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Join hosts Karen and Jen in this insightful episode as they dive into the world of catch riding, working students, and the dynamics of working off riding lessons in equestrian sports. They explore the nuances of these important topics, shedding light on the challenges and opportunities available for young riders and their families.

- **Young Riders:** Karen and Jen discuss the realities of very young children and the physical demands of working off riding lessons. They highlight alternative ways for parents to engage with their child's equestrian journey, including trading services...

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Join hosts Jen, a lifelong equestrian professional and rider, and Karen, a dedicated parent of an equestrian trained by Jen, as they dive into an essential conversation about accessibility in horse sports. In this episode, Jen presents a **five-prong plan** designed to open the doors of equestrian sports to new riders without the immediate pressure of purchasing or leasing a horse.

Jen breaks down each point of their plan, focusing on the importance of preserving lesson barns, riding schools, and beginner programs that serve as vital entry points for aspiring equestrians...

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Karen and Jen discuss the USHJA Trainer Certification Program and explore why it hasn't gained traction. They delve into the reluctance of well-known equestrian professionals to embrace the certification and suggest ways to encourage lifelong professionals to take the certification test and lead live teaching sessions. 

Karen, who is both a certified personal trainer and a certified athletic trainer, highlights the fact that these professions require not only certification but continuing education, raising the question of why the same standards shouldn't apply to horse trainers. The hosts emphasize t...

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Join Karen and Jen as they dive into the complexities of balancing client needs with the demands of life on the road. In this insightful episode, they explore the challenges faced by busy trainers who are frequently away at horse shows, leaving some clients behind. 

What happens when a trainer can't be there for every lesson? Should they find a substitute instructor to step in, and if so, how should pricing be handled? Jen and Karen discuss the expectations of clients left at home, the pressures trainers face upon returning, and t...

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Before they get to the episode Karen and Jen begin with a hilarious exchange about a potential guest; Xavier Legette, horse lover, wide receiver for the Carolina Panthers Football team and former South Carolina Gamecock. X, have your people call our people! 

Now on to the show…

Building on their previous discussion about the tensions between equestrian professionals and amateur clients, Karen and Jen shift the focus to the positive aspects that unite them.

Listen in as they explore what professionals truly appreciate about horses, the sport, and...

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In this thought-provoking episode, hosts Jen, a seasoned horse trainer and rider, and Karen, a devoted horse show parent and former client of Jen's, delve into the complex relationship between professional horse people and their amateur clients. They tackle the often contentious divide that exists in the equestrian world, exploring the feelings of elitism that some professionals exude and the frustrations that arise from clients feeling sidelined in their horse’s training and care.

Karen introduces key topics that frequently spark discord, such as the high costs associated with equestrian sports.  She...

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In this powerful episode, Jen and Karen sit down with Andrew Ellis, an equestrian known for his roles as a horse show manager, announcer, and starter. Andrew shares his gripping story of resilience and recovery following a devastating riding accident at the age of 13 that not only changed the course of his life but also set him on a path of addiction.

As Andrew recounts his journey, he opens up about how the accident led to a long hospital stay and the emotional turmoil that followed, which he sought to cope...

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Join Karen and Jen for an insightful episode that dives deep into the world of horse sales. With Jen drawing on her experience in selling and buying horses as well as opinions collected from other trainers, she sheds light on the common pitfalls and unprofessional behaviors that potential buyers often exhibit--like "kicking tires,' failing to follow up after a trial, or riding a horse for too long despite knowing it's not the right fit. 

Karen, bringing her perspective as a parent who has navigated the leasing and buying of multiple h...

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In this thought-provoking episode, Jen and Karen dive deep into the whirlwind of controversy sparked by Jen's recent statements. Last week, Jen suggested that trainers should have a say in their riders' attire for the show ring and the social media images they share. The commentary ignited a firestorm of reactions from listeners, many voicing concerns that Jen's views may contribute to the already overwhelming pressure to present a perfect image in the equestrian world. 

Using social media comments as a springboard, Jen and Karen explore the multifaceted reasons behind the i...

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Karen and Jen discuss the often overlooked role of clients in shaping a barn's brand. They explore the intricate relationship between branding and client expectations, from the necessity of custom tack trunks and horse clothes, to the financial contributions for horse show exhibitors parties. 

Tune in to hear how a rider's attire in the show ring not only reflects personal style but also serves as a visual extension of the barns brand. The conversation highlights the importance of social media in today's equestrian world and how adhering to a barn's full s...

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In this enlightening episode Jen and Karen welcome a special guest; Luke Tanner, Karen's son. As one of the few boys in a sport traditionally dominated by females at the amateur level, Luke shares his unique perspective on the equestrian community.

Join the conversation as they explore Luke's experiences competing in horse shows, where he enjoyed a warm reception free from typical body comparisons and mean-spirited rivalry. Luke found himself frequently recognized with sportsmanship awards, a distinction that sparked discussions about gender dynamics in competitive environments. 

Together, they delve i...

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When you think NCEA/NCAA Equestrian, powerhouse teams such as Georgia, SMU, Auburn and the University of South Carolina probably spring to mind. But it was actually the College of Charleston that brought an NCEA Trophy back to South Carolina in 2025. Led by Head Coach, Natasha "Tash" Vitkovic, and Assistant Coach, Hope King, the Cougars clenched the NCEA Single Discipline National Championship Runner Up Title. 

Single discipline teams compete in just NCEA Jumping Seat and do not field a Western Team. Generally favored by smaller schools, single discipline teams can be s...

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In this episode, Karen and Jen tackle the contentious issue of class limits within USEF Hunter Jumper competitions. The hosts reference articles from The Plaid Horse Magazine by Robin Greenwood and Nina Thornton, and draw on their own experiences. 

As the hosts explore the pros and cons of class limits, the conversation flows into multiple scenarios that demonstrate just how complex this issue is. They discuss everything from accessibility, enforcement issues, and of course, horse welfare. 

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Certified Athletic Trainer, Tamara Harris discusses her role with The University of South Carolina Equestrian Team--from treating minor pains and strains and mixing the Gatorade "just right," to handling 911 calls in the event of an emergency. Tamara also offers up advice on what barns should include in their own emergency plans, and the medical supplies that no barn should be without.  

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Karen's son hopes to Door Dash his way to his first horse purchase--and he's considering importing--impossible right?! Well maybe not. Sure, its going to take A LOT of "Dashing," but importing horses isn't reserved for the super rich. In this episode, Karen has lots of questions for Jen on her experience traveling to Europe to try horses, importing horses off of videos and so much more. Get ready for real talk about the pitfalls and the upsides of importing in the five figure price range. 

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Karen and Jen, a dedicated horse show parent and a seasoned horse trainer, dive into some of the the crucial aspects of purchasing a horse. They explore the importance of enlisting professional help when making such an significant investment, discussing how expert guidance can prevent costly mistakes that often arise from online purchases or amatuer decisions. 

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