After the Session: Two Therapists Telling It Like It Is
Welcome to After the Session, where two seasoned therapists step out of the office and into real-life conversations. Hosted by Dwain and John, this podcast is for anyone looking to navigate life with a little more insight, humor, and common sense. We bring our experience as therapists—and as regular guys—to the table, breaking down the intersection of mental health, faith, and everyday life. Whether we’re talking about relationships, personal growth, or just sharing stories over coffee and cigars, After the Session is a space for honest, meaningful, and practical conversations. If you’ve ever left therapy thinking, I wish w...
Are We Losing Our Minds Over Politics?
In this episode of After the Session, we explore the psychological impact of politics, elections, and fear on our everyday lives. Why do political differences trigger such strong emotional reactions? Are we losing perspective, personal agency, and relationships? We discuss psychological regression, accountability, and staying grounded in an increasingly divided world.
Has Friendship Become a Lost Art?
In this episode of After the Session, Unfinished Notes, we explore why making friends seems harder as we get older. Somewhere between careers, family responsibilities, and busy schedules, many of us have lost touch with the friendships that once came naturally. Friendship requires more than intention; it requires investment, vulnerability, consistency, and time. How do we build meaningful connections and become better friends at any age?
Things We’ve Learned from the Therapy Chair
In this episode of After the Session, John and I sit down and reflect on a few things we’ve learned from the therapy chair. After years of listening to people work through relationships, loss, change, anxiety, and all the messiness of being human, we’ve picked up a few lessons along the way. Some of them are simple. Some are hard. And honestly, some of them we’re still learning ourselves.
Hey Matt Walsh, Some Good Points. But Have You Met Every Therapist?
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, Matt Walsh makes some legitimate criticisms of therapy. There are therapists who overpathologize normal struggles, turn every problem into trauma, and can inadvertently reinforce a person’s identity as a victim. But here’s the problem with broad generalizations: neither John nor I have met every therapist. We believe good therapy should do more than help people understand what happened to them. It should help them decide what they are going to do with it. We talk about the difference between validating someone’s story and keeping them stuck in it, th...
When Does Our Stuff Start Owning Us?
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore our relationship with stuff—from meaningful collections and everyday clutter to the more complex reality of hoarding. Why do we hold on? What do our possessions represent? And when does keeping become something that keeps us?
Put the Damn Phone Down!
In this episode of After the Session, Unfinished Notes, we consider how constant distraction may weaken our ability to regulate emotions, tolerate conflict, read social cues, and remain present with the people right in front of us. What are we losing when our phones become an escape from discomfort, conversation, and connection?
Road Rage & Other Signs of the Human Condition
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we’re going to have a little rant—about traffic and what happens to perfectly reasonable people behind the wheel. Why do we become impatient, distracted, entitled, and downright aggressive? Maybe the problem isn’t sociopathy. Maybe we’ve simply forgotten there’s a human being in that other car.
These Aren’t Rules—They’re Patterns We’ve Noticed
What if the patterns we notice in counseling aren’t rules for living, but invitations to pay attention? In this episode of After the Session, Unfinished Notes, we explore the recurring patterns that shape our thoughts, relationships, choices, and behaviors—and how noticing them can create space for greater awareness, freedom, and meaningful change.
Can Trauma Become the Beginning of Growth?
Joining us today is Cathy Downen, Licensed Professional Counselor, National Certified Counselor, founder of Christian Counseling Connection, and a PhD candidate whose research focuses on post-traumatic growth. Together, we'll explore a question many people ask: Can trauma become the beginning of growth? While trauma changes us, it doesn't have to define us. We'll discuss how people move beyond merely surviving adversity to discovering deeper resilience, renewed purpose, stronger relationships, and a more mature faith.
Has Your Pain Become Your Identity?
We all carry wounds, but healing begins when pain no longer defines who we are. In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore the difference between being victimized and adopting a victim identity, and why reclaiming responsibility—not blame—is often the first step toward genuine freedom and growth.
What If You're Managing the Wrong Problem?
Stress often isn't the real problem—our unmanaged stressors are. In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore how boundaries, assertiveness, and challenging cognitive distortions can reduce the sources of stress rather than simply managing our reactions. Greater agency begins by addressing what we can influence, not merely calming how we feel.
We're Not Financial Planners...But Money Comes Up All the Time.
Money isn't just about numbers. In therapy, it often reveals deeper stories about fear, security, identity, relationships, and hope. While therapists don't give financial advice, they help people understand the beliefs and emotions driving financial decisions, because lasting change often begins beneath the budget.
Are You Feeling Better… or Actually Healing?
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore a question that often gets overlooked: What if feeling better isn't the same as healing? While relief is important, lasting healing often requires us to look beneath the symptoms to the deeper wounds, beliefs, and patterns that keep us stuck. Join me as we discuss why the absence of pain isn't always the presence of health, and how genuine transformation begins when we address the problem beneath the problem.
The Slow Drift: How We Lose Our Way One Small Step at a Time
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore the subtle danger of the slow drift—how small compromises, unchecked distractions, and misplaced focus can gradually pull us away from our purpose. Discover practical insights to recognize the drift, realign your heart, and stay anchored in what truly matters.
It Didn't Start There: The Story Behind Your Trigger
Why do certain comments, situations, or interactions affect us so deeply? In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore the hidden story behind emotional triggers, how old wounds shape present reactions, and practical ways to pause, gain insight, and respond with greater wisdom and intention.
What Voice Do You Believe?
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore a simple but powerful question: What voice do you believe? Fear, shame, criticism, past wounds, and truth all compete for our attention. The voices we trust shape our thoughts, emotions, relationships, and choices. Join us as we discuss how to identify unhealthy narratives and cultivate a healthier, more grounded perspective.
What Do You Want Now, and What Do You Want Most?
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore the tension between what we want now and what we want most. Through the lens of delayed gratification, we discuss impulse, discipline, relationships, and personal growth, examining how today's choices shape the future we ultimately hope to build.
Can AI Replace Human Connection?
In this episode of After the Session, we explore whether AI can replace human connection in therapy and emotional support. We examine its strengths, limitations, and risks, including empathy simulation, accountability, and relational depth, while asking what truly drives human change: information, or authentic relationship and community.
When Everything Isn't Either/Or
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore why life rarely fits into neat either/or categories. From relationships and personal growth to faith and mental health, we discuss the dangers of black and white thinking and how wisdom often emerges through nuance, tension, curiosity, and both/and perspectives.
Are We Being Formed or Just Informed?
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore why transformation is about more than acquiring information. We discuss how habits, attention, relationships, and repeated behaviors shape who we become. Are we simply consuming knowledge, or are we being formed into wiser, healthier, more grounded, and more loving human beings?
Do You Want Me, or Just Need Me?
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore the tension between wanting a partner and needing a partner in couples. When emotional desire blends with dependency, relationships can become pressured and unclear. We also consider how couples can recover curiosity and connection as a path back toward healthier attachment and emotional presence.
The Circle Keeps Moving: Music, Meaning, Memories, and Mortality
Before listening to this episode, take a few minutes to listen to the song Circle by Harry Chapin and then return to it again afterward. The song serves as a companion to this conversation and captures much of the heart behind what we explore here. In this episode of After the Session, we reflect on how music, memory, loss, meaning, and mortality shape the human experience. We discuss the emotional circles we revisit throughout life, the stories we carry, and how growth often means learning to move forward while honoring what remains behind.
The Circle Keeps Moving: Music, Meaning, Memories, and Mortality
In this episode of After the Session, we explore how music, memory, loss, meaning, and mortality shape the human experience . We discuss the emotional circles we revisit throughout life, the stories we carry, and how growth often means learning to move forward while honoring what remains behind.
Unfinished Notes: The Other 167 Hours.
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore the other 167 hours after therapy ends and real life begins. Growth is not confined to the counseling room. It happens in ordinary moments, difficult conversations, quiet reflections, setbacks, choices, and the slow practice of becoming different over time.
Are You Grown Up Without Growing Up?
Why do intelligent, capable adults sometimes react emotionally like wounded children? In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore the “inner child,” family systems, emotional development, and how unresolved experiences from early life continue shaping relationships, conflict, anxiety, and connection long after childhood officially ends.
Unfinished Notes: How to Deal With "Jerky" People
Some people drain every room they enter. In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we talk about how to deal with difficult personalities without losing yourself in the process. We explore boundaries, emotional regulation, conflict, manipulation, and the difference between compassion, avoidance, and healthy self respect in everyday relationships.
Unfinished Notes: When Being Nice is Actually Dishonest
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore how avoiding conflict to keep peace can erode trust, weaken intimacy, and disconnect us from ourselves. Real kindness tells the truth, even when it risks discomfort and requires courage.
Unfinished Notes: The Risk and Promise of Intimacy
In the episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, John and Dwain explore intimacy as gift and risk, examining how fear, control, and avoidance distort connection while honesty, presence, and responsibility restore it. They unpack common pitfalls, challenge cultural narratives, and point toward a deeper vision of relational closeness that remains unfinished.
Hope Beyond Yourself
In this episode of After the Session, John and Dwain explore the nature of hope that extends beyond self reliance. They discuss how misplaced hope fuels anxiety, how suffering reshapes perspective, and how grounding hope in something greater fosters resilience, responsibility, and meaning in everyday life and relationships and purpose.
Unfinished Notes: Why Do We Default to Negative Even When We Know Better?
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore why we default to negativity even when we know better. Drawing on negative bias, temperament, and lived experience, this episode examines how the mind prioritizes threat over gratitude, and how intentional awareness, emotional regulation, and perspective shifts can retrain attention toward healthier, more balanced ways of thinking and relating.
Unfinished Notes: The Attention Audit: What's Stealing Your Attention and How to Take it Back
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore the idea of an attention audit, helping you notice what is quietly shaping your thoughts, emotions, and behavior. We examine the hidden forces competing for your focus and offer practical ways to reclaim your attention, so you can live with greater clarity, intention, and alignment with what truly matters.
Where Repair Begins, Hurt Heals
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore how moments of hurt in relationships are not the end of the story—they are often the beginning of meaningful change. When rupture is acknowledged and worked through, it creates space for healing, restores trust, and deepens connection. Repair is where growth happens, and relationships become more honest, resilient, and whole.
Unfinished Notes: Blended Families? They Really Can Work!
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore the real dynamics of blended families. We talk honestly about what makes them hard, what helps them work, and where hope grows. With practical insight and lived experience, this conversation highlights the patience, boundaries, and grace that can turn complicated families into meaningful ones.
The Hidden Power of Sacrifice
In this episode of After the Session, we explore the hidden power of sacrifice. Growth often requires letting something go. Comfort, control, or old identities. Sacrifice is not loss for its own sake. It is the quiet exchange that makes room for maturity, deeper love, and a more meaningful life.
Unfinished Notes: Wow, That Hurts; Unkind Words!
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore the sting of unkind words and why they linger long after they are spoken. We reflect on emotional pain, the stories we attach to criticism, and how learning to process hurt differently can strengthen resilience, clarity, and the way we relate to others.
Unfinished Notes: Are You Becoming the Kind of Person Who Can Face Death?
Death rarely announces itself directly. It hides in control, anxiety, and regret. In this episode, we explore what we’re actually afraid of, how memento mori sharpens clarity, and three practical ways to face mortality without panic—so maybe death becomes a teacher that can bring focus, clarity, and alignment.
Unfinished Notes: Busy…But Avoiding?
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore the difference between productivity and avoidance. A full calendar can hide an empty center. Is constant motion courage or escape? What are we not facing? And what might change if we slowed down long enough to tell the truth?
Unfinished Notes: Guarding Your Mind in a Loud World
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore how optimism is formed, how negativity and learned helplessness take root, and why the brain carries a built in negative bias. We examine common cognitive distortions and how guarding the mind requires intentional thought, discipline, and courage in a loud world.
The Work of Love
In this episode of After the Session, we explore the work of love, how it grows beyond feeling into commitment, sacrifice, and steady presence. We examine attachment, maturity, and covenant, asking what makes love endure when emotion fades, conflict rises, and real life replaces romantic expectation.
Unfinished Notes: The Door Knob Confession
In this episode of After the Session: Unfinished Notes, we explore the “door knob confession” — the vulnerable truth a client shares just as the session ends. Why does it happen? What does it reveal about safety, timing, and resistance? And how should therapists wisely respond when something big lands late?