Gray to Great

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By: Great Gray Trust Company

Rewrite your practice growth playbook. Hosted by Dan dal Degan—known to many as Triple D—this bi-monthly podcast pulls back the curtain on what it takes to thrive as a corporate retirement plan advisor in an increasingly tech-centric business world. As a former powerhouse sales leader at Salesforce and Oracle, now sitting on the board of Great Gray Trust’s holding company, Dan’s sales experience and curiosity provoke compelling conversations with top advisors. Each episode of ‘Gray to Great’ focuses on the crucial parts of the business that often get overlooked: prospecting, referral business, challenger selling, client service, tech adoptio...

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22. The Secret Superpower Advisors Are Not Using: Dr. Melissa Milanak on Sleep, Stress, and Sustainable Success
22. The Secret Superpower Advisors Are Not Using: Dr. Melissa Milanak on Sleep, Stress, and Sustainable Success episode artwork
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Sleep is the secret superpower that most high-performing advisors have access to and very few are actually using. Dr. Melissa Milanak, PhD, has spent decades working with trauma survivors, professional athletes, and corporate executives, and her work keeps pointing to the same conclusion: quality sleep is the foundation everything else is built on, and most high performers are quietly undermining it every single day. 

In this episode of Gray to Great, host Dan Dal Degan sits down with the clinical psychologist, executive consultant, and founder of MIND Impact Consulting for one of the most unexpectedly practical c...


21. Detaching from the Outcome: Greg Cantone on Resilience, Communication, and What Really Drives Success
21. Detaching from the Outcome: Greg Cantone on Resilience, Communication, and What Really Drives Success episode artwork
10/06/2026

Dan Dal Degan sits down with Greg Cantone, Managing Director of Retirement Solutions at Citizens Private Wealth, for a conversation that is as much about mindset as it is about the business. Greg spent twelve years doing stand-up comedy in New York City while building his career in financial services, and the overlap between those two worlds shapes everything about how he communicates, connects, and advises clients today. 

Greg and Dan explore what it really means to read a room, why listening is the most underutilized skill in the advisory business, and how Greg's experience being part o...


20. Private Markets, A Year Later: Charlotte Hickey and Josh Anderson on What Has Changed and What Hasn’t
20. Private Markets, A Year Later: Charlotte Hickey and Josh Anderson on What Has Changed and What Hasn’t episode artwork
09/13/2026

A year ago, Charlotte Hickey of BlackRock and Zachary Rosenoff of Marsh McLennan Agency joined Gray to Great for a conversation about private markets in defined contribution (DC) plans. In this follow-up episode, host Dan Dal Degan reconnects with Charlotte and welcomes a new voice to the conversation: Josh Anderson, AIF®, CEPA®, Vice President, Investments at the Workplace Retirement Group of Raymond James. 

In this follow-up episode, Josh and Charlotte revisit where the conversation stands today, from the initial wave of plan sponsor concern following the August 2025 executive order to the more constructive dialogue that has emerged sin...


19. How Matt Compton’s Record Keeping Roots Made Him a Stronger Plan Advisor | Matt Compton
19. How Matt Compton’s Record Keeping Roots Made Him a Stronger Plan Advisor | Matt Compton episode artwork
08/27/2026

In Episode 19 of Gray to Great, Dan Dal Degan sits down with Matt Compton, AIF, CRPC, Partner, Retirement and Wealth Services at Alera Group. Matt spent over eleven years at Principal Financial Group on the record keeping and administrative side before transitioning to plan advising in 2019, and that background shapes everything about how he serves clients today. He and Dan explore what it really means to be a plan advisor, how integrating retirement benefits into the broader employee benefit relationship creates better outcomes, and why day-to-day plan oversight matters as much as the investment process. 

Matt also s...


18. Many Advisors Talk About Culture, Bryan Farwell and Jesse Hernandez Actually Built It
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08/05/2026

Many advisory teams are built around a book of business. Bryan Farwell and Jesse Hernandez built theirs around a belief. In Episode 20 of Gray to Great, the partners at Prevail Innovative Wealth Strategies join host Dan Dal Degan for a candid conversation about passion, partnership, and what it takes to serve plan sponsors and participants the way they deserve to be served. Jesse brings over 30 years of experience on the record keeping and wholesaling side of the business, and Bryan brings a deep background in banking, private wealth, and entrepreneurship. Together they make the case that the advisors who...


17. Go Fast Alone, Go Far Together: How Michaela Scott Built a Practice Worth Cloning, and What She Wished She’d Known Sooner | Michaela Scott
17. Go Fast Alone, Go Far Together: How Michaela Scott Built a Practice Worth Cloning, and What She Wished She’d Known Sooner | Michaela Scott episode artwork
06/30/2026

In this episode, Michaela Scott, Principal and Founder of Strategic Retirement Benefits Group and RPAG Council Member, shares her inspiring journey of becoming a leading and award-winning retirement plan advisor, emphasizing the importance of clarity, client selection, prioritizing your time, and how to build a strong team. Discover her insights on creating impact, fostering a positive culture, and mentoring the next generation.

More About Michaela Scott:
Michaela is the Founder and Principal of the Strategic Retirement Benefits Group, partnering with businesses on the financial portion of their benefits program – specifically their retirement Plans. She has been re...


16. Advisors Plan for Everyone’s Retirement—Except Their Own | Andrew Mirolli
16. Advisors Plan for Everyone’s Retirement—Except Their Own | Andrew Mirolli episode artwork
03/24/2026

In this episode, Dan Dal Degan speaks with Andrew Mirolli, co-founder of buyAUM, about the unique challenges and opportunities faced by financial advisors, particularly in the context of succession planning and retirement. Andrew shares his journey from a financial wholesaler to a business owner focused on helping advisors navigate their transitions. The conversation delves into the emotional aspects of selling a business, the importance of planning for life after work and the need for a structured approach to succession. Andrew emphasizes the significance of finding purpose in the next chapter of life and offers advice for business owners looking...


15. It’s Not Where You Start, It's Where You Finish: Participant Education & an Unexpected Secret to Retirement Readiness | Mark Forbes
15. It’s Not Where You Start, It's Where You Finish: Participant Education & an Unexpected Secret to Retirement Readiness | Mark Forbes episode artwork
03/10/2026

In this episode of Gray to Great, Dan Dal Degan speaks with Mark Forbes of Strategic Retirement Partners about helping participants cross the retirement finish line with confidence. Mark draws on more than 30 years in the industry to explain why intimidation around investing is often the biggest barrier and how small, consistent actions, supported by compounding and automation, can meaningfully improve outcomes.

This conversation explores why retirement is a marathon rather than a sprint and how budgeting decisions connect to allocation and long-term outcomes. It also addresses the emotional side of retirement, including finding purpose beyond the...


14. The #1 Secret to Simplicity: Engagement, Education, and Plan Design | Doug Bermudez
14. The #1 Secret to Simplicity: Engagement, Education, and Plan Design | Doug Bermudez episode artwork
02/19/2026

In this episode of Gray to Great, Doug Bermudez, Managing Director at Strategic Retirement Partners, joins Dan Dal Degan to discuss the role clear communication plays in improving retirement outcomes for plan sponsors and participants. Doug shares how his background as a bilingual advisor has shaped his approach to participant education. He explains how organizations can simplify complex retirement concepts and communicate in ways that reflect employees’ real-world needs, time constraints, and financial realities.  

Doug explores how advisors can balance brevity with impact, use technology to improve engagement, and apply thoughtful messaging to support better decision-making. He als...


13. What Advisors Need to Know as Gen Z Becomes the Newest Plan Participants | Kristine Meyer
13. What Advisors Need to Know as Gen Z Becomes the Newest Plan Participants | Kristine Meyer episode artwork
12/16/2025

In this episode of Gray to Great, Kristine Meyer of Stiles Financial Services joins Dan Dal Degan to explore what adaptability looks like as workforce demographics continue to shift. She discusses the importance of understanding client needs, communicating effectively, and adjusting to generational differences. Kristine reflects on the realities of Gen Z entering the workforce and how advisors can align with evolving expectations and new plan demographics. She also shares her path into the field, how she builds client relationships, and why adaptability matters as plan demographics shift. Kristine's insights provide valuable takeaways for both plan advisors and participants...


12. How Wealth and Retirement are Converging from an RIA Trailblazer | Scott Colangelo
12. How Wealth and Retirement are Converging from an RIA Trailblazer | Scott Colangelo episode artwork
11/20/2025

In this episode of Gray to Great, Dan Dal Degan interviews Scott Colangelo, chairman of Prime Capital, discussing his journey from starting at Edward Jones to establishing the first RIA in Kansas. Scott shares insights on building a scalable retirement advisory firm, the convergence of wealth management and retirement advising, and his advocacy efforts in the industry. He emphasizes the importance of finding passion in one's work and the impact of education on participants' financial futures. 


More About Scott Colangelo:
Scott Colangelo is the Chairman of Prime Capital, where he has been instrumental i...


11. The 2 Secrets to Scale Efficiently as a Retirement Plan Advisor | Lloyd Engleman
11. The 2 Secrets to Scale Efficiently as a Retirement Plan Advisor | Lloyd Engleman episode artwork
11/06/2025

In this episode of "Gray to Great," host Dan Dal Degan and guest Lloyd Engleman, a Managing Director of Alkeme Financial Services of Accelerate Retirement, discuss the intricacies of scaling efficiently as a retirement plan advisor. They explore strategies for success, the importance of building trust with clients, the power of the RPAG platform, and the evolving landscape of retirement planning. Lloyd shares personal stories of growth, mentorship, and the impact of effective communication in the industry. Engleman reflects on the profound impact of his work, emphasizing the life-changing potential of effective retirement planning.


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10. The Lead Generation Blueprint for Retirement Plan Advisors | Steven Puckett
10. The Lead Generation Blueprint for Retirement Plan Advisors | Steven Puckett episode artwork
09/25/2025

In this episode of "Gray to Great," Dan Dal Degan speaks with Steven Puckett, Managing Partner of Fiduciary Pension Partners, about the evolving landscape of corporate retirement planning. They discuss the importance of personalized, 1:1 consulting, especially during challenging times like the COVID-19 pandemic, and how proactive communication can lead to business growth. Steve shares his effective lead generation strategies, including the use of webinars and maintaining a human touch in an increasingly automated retirement ecosystem. He emphasizes the significance of client education and storytelling in building trust, as well as the importance of mentorship for young professionals entering the...


9. Applying Unreasonable Hospitality to Closing the Retirement Plan Access Gap | Phil Senderowitz
9. Applying Unreasonable Hospitality to Closing the Retirement Plan Access Gap | Phil Senderowitz episode artwork
09/17/2025

In this episode of "Gray to Great," Dan Dal Degan interviews Phil Senderowitz, a 2025 Plan Advisor of the Year in the Covering the Gap category, focusing on the importance of providing retirement solutions for small and mid-size businesses. They discuss the impact of recent legislation, the significance of understanding client needs, and the value of specialization in the retirement planning industry. Phil shares his personal journey into retirement planning, lessons learned from market downturns, and insights on how to effectively engage with clients to ensure their financial well-being.

More About Phil Senderowitz:
Phil is an Investment...


8. Private Markets in Defined Contribution Plans: Navigating the New Frontier, Part 2 | Charlotte Hickey, Zachary Rosenoff
8. Private Markets in Defined Contribution Plans: Navigating the New Frontier, Part 2 | Charlotte Hickey, Zachary Rosenoff episode artwork
09/12/2025

This episode is the second of a two-part special edition of the Gray to Great podcast, dissecting private assets in defined contribution plans with 2 special guests: Zachary Rosenoff, Director of Investments at Marsh McLennan Agency, and Charlotte Hickey, Director of National Accounts at BlackRock.

In this special episode of Gray to Great, host Dan Dal Degan engages in a rich conversation with guests Charlotte Hickey and Zachary Rosenoff about the evolving landscape of retirement planning and investment strategies in relation to the incorporation of private assets in defined contribution plans. They discuss the impact of recent legislation...


7. Private Markets in Defined Contribution Plans: Navigating the New Frontier, Part 1 | Charlotte Hickey, Zachary Rosenoff
7. Private Markets in Defined Contribution Plans: Navigating the New Frontier, Part 1 | Charlotte Hickey, Zachary Rosenoff episode artwork
09/05/2025

This episode is the first of a two-part special edition of the Gray to Great podcast, dissecting private assets in defined contribution plans with 2 special guests: Zachary Rosenoff, Director of Investments at Marsh McLennan Agency, and Charlotte Hickey, Director of National Accounts at BlackRock.

In this special episode of Gray to Great, host Dan Dal Degan engages in a rich conversation with guests Charlotte Hickey and Zachary Rosenoff about the evolving landscape of retirement planning and investment strategies in relation to the incorporation of private assets in defined contribution plans. They discuss the impact of recent legislation...


6. The Power of Specialization for Retirement Plan Advisors | Rick Unser
6. The Power of Specialization for Retirement Plan Advisors | Rick Unser episode artwork
08/01/2025

In this episode of "Gray to Great," host Dan Dal Degan is joined by Rick Unser, a managing director at Creative Retirement Planning Services. They discuss Rick's career journey, focusing on his specialization in private equity retirement plans. Rick shares insights on the importance of curiosity and specialization in career development, emphasizing the value of building relationships and becoming a trusted advisor. The conversation also touches on the complexities of retirement planning, the evolving market, and the significance of understanding both B2B and B2C dynamics. Rick offers advice for younger advisors and highlights the importance of continuous...


5. Meeting Clients Where They Are... Even at a Rest Stop | Virginia Ryan
5. Meeting Clients Where They Are...  Even at a Rest Stop | Virginia Ryan episode artwork
06/06/2025

In this episode of "Gray to Great," Board Member of the Great Gray Group and host, Dan Dal Degan, is joined by Virginia Ryan, a plan advisor with 401(k) Plan Professionals in the Twin Cities. Virginia shares her unique journey from being a flight attendant to becoming a 401(k) plan advisor. She discusses the challenges and learning experiences she faced while transitioning into the financial world, emphasizing the importance of open conversations and financial education. 

Virginia highlights the role of financial advisors as "financial therapists," helping clients navigate the often intimidating world of retirement plans. She shares s...


4. The Future of AI in Financial Services | Holly Knight
4. The Future of AI in Financial Services | Holly Knight episode artwork
05/07/2025

Summary  

In this conversation, Dan Dal Degan (Board Member of Great Gray Group) and Holly Knight (Director of Retirement Services at Alera Group) discuss the impact and role of AI in financial services.  

They explore topics around how to use AI to make your daily schedule more efficient, the trade-offs and risks of AI and how to address those concerns, how AI may impact the financial services industry, and how Holly became interested in AI and more specifically the role it plays in the finance industry.  

More About Holly Knight:

My jou...


3. Knowledge as Potential Power: Education's Role in Retirement Plan Advising | Burak Alpaslan
3. Knowledge as Potential Power: Education's Role in Retirement Plan Advising | Burak Alpaslan episode artwork
04/09/2025

Summary: In this conversation, Burak Alpaslan and Dan Dal Degan discuss the importance of educating clients and how that builds a trusted relationship. 

They explore topics around the strategy and playbook Burak uses for client retention, how to help and educate clients through storytelling, lessons around identifying and prospecting for clients, and how culture plays a role in Vital Planning Group’s success. The conversation emphasizes the significance of human connection and genuine relationships in any industry, and how that honesty really pushes for great client relationships.

Why You Should Listen: 

Educating Clients: Master the...


2. Differentiating Your Advisory Practice Through Human Connection | Renee Scherzer
2. Differentiating Your Advisory Practice Through Human Connection | Renee Scherzer episode artwork
03/06/2025

Discover the power of authenticity and human connection in sales with Renee Scherzer.

Summary: In this episode of "Gray to Great," host Dan Dal Degan has a value-packed conversation with Renee Scherzer, Senior Vice President at OneDigital Retirement & Wealth, to discuss the importance of being authentic and personable in your network and connections. They delve into topics such as differentiating your sales practice, the significance of branding on LinkedIn, tips for networking with accomplished individuals, and how to create excitement for meetings and calls. The conversation highlights the value of human connection and genuine relationships in sales...


1. Humanizing Sales in Financial Services: Building Rapport, Listening, and Leveraging Technology | Sean Kelly
1. Humanizing Sales in Financial Services: Building Rapport, Listening, and Leveraging Technology | Sean Kelly episode artwork
02/06/2025

In this episode, Sean Kelly, Vice President at Heffernan Retirement Services, shares practical tips to deepen connections with clients and prospects. Sean reminds us, “Hopes, dreams, fears, and goals in personal life also drive the ways people do business.”


Here’s why you should listen:

·         Human Connection: Master the art of meaningful client relationships.

·         Sales Best Practices: Proven strategies tailored for financial services.

·         Adaptability: Flex your approach to meet clients' unique needs

Summary: In this episode of the Gray to Great podcast, Dan Dal Degan and Sean Kelly discuss the essential sk...