Say Grace
A soulful exploration of the hospitality industry through the eyes of celebrated restaurateur and author Steve Palmer. Combining the richness of grace—a pre-meal tradition in the South, a gift freely given, and a timeless virtue—with the transformative journey of hospitality, this podcast dives deep into the stories behind the industry. With heartfelt conversations, Palmer uncovers personal journeys of resilience, mental health breakthroughs, and sources of inspiration, showcasing how lives are shaped and changed by the world of service. Say Grace is your place to reflect, connect, and savor thoughtful narratives. Pull up a chair, and join the dialogue abou...
EP 25: A Conversation with Matt and Ted Lee of The Lee Bros.
Siblings Matt and Ted Lee grew up and learned to cook in Charleston, SC. They founded The Lee Brothers Boiled Peanuts Catalogue, a mail-order source for Southern pantry staples, in 1994 before embarking on a second career as food journalists and award-winning authors.
The Lee Brothers currently produce live events and festivals, turning narratives around contemporary food and beverage culture into thrilling and transformative experiences.
In this episode, Matt and Ted join Steve for a conversation about the growth of Charleston’s food scene, finding their footing in the hospitality industry, and what’s next for thei...
EP 24: A Conversation with Vinnie Cimino of Cordelia and ROSY
Vinnie Cimino is a Cleveland, Ohio-based chef who has built his reputation on Midwest values, exceptional ingredients, and genuine hospitality. At his restaurant, Cordelia, he champions “Midwest Nice,” putting team and guests first while celebrating farm-fresh, seasonal bounty. Named one of Food & Wine Best New Chefs in 2025, Cimino also co-founded Cleveland Family Meal, supports local charitable initiatives through Five Star Sensation, and recently opened his second restaurant, ROSY. His leadership and dedication to the region earned him a spot as a finalist for the James Beard Award for Best Chef: Great Lakes in 2026.
In this episode, Vinnie join...
EP 23: A Conversation with Jon Bassford, Founder of Lateral Solutions
Jon Bassford is a best-selling author, TEDx speaker, and founder of Lateral Solutions, an operations consulting and advisory firm.
With a background spanning law, philosophy, and executive operations, Jon now helps founders and leadership teams scale by transforming curiosity into a competitive advantage.
In this episode, Jon sits down with Steve for a conversation about the power of curiosity, the importance of building a strong and positive company culture, and why lasting profitability is directly tied to the health of that culture.
EP 22: A Conversation with Alyssa Maute Smith of Charleston Wine + Food
Alyssa Maute Smith is the Executive Director of Charleston Wine + Food, where she led the organization into its 20th anniversary year in 2026 with a focus on community, education, and sustainability. A Charleston native appointed to the role in 2023, she has overseen nearly $21.7 million in economic impact for the Festival while expanding its reach through free community programming and industry-first initiatives that support local talent and advance equity in the culinary world. In 2024, she was named one of Charleston Business Magazine’s “50 Most Influential,” recognizing her impact on both the Festival and the city’s broader hospitality landscape.
In this...
EP 21: A Conversation with Bill Addison of the Los Angeles Times
Bill Addison is the restaurant critic for the Los Angeles Times, where he writes influential reviews and guides that spotlight the diversity of the Southern California dining scene. Bill is the recipient of the 2023 Craig Claiborne Distinguished Restaurant Review Award from the James Beard Foundation, one of the highest honors in food writing. Before joining the Los Angeles Times, he was the national critic for Eater, where he traveled across the United States exploring regional cuisine. Bill recently made headlines by voluntarily dropping his long-held anonymity as a critic after nearly 25 years, embracing a more open approach to his...
EP 20: A Conversation with Rose Previte of Maydan
Rose Previte is the owner of Washington, D.C.’s acclaimed restaurants and bars Compass Rose, MICHELIN-starred Maydan, Medina, and Maydan Market in Los Angeles. She is also the author of a cookbook called “Maydan,” and the co-founder of Go There Wines, which brings to market trailblazing wines made by women and other underrepresented winemakers from lesser-known wine-making regions around the world. As a prominent and progressive small business entrepreneur, she has attracted recognition including Washington Business Journal’s “40 under 40” and Washingtonian’s “Most Powerful Women in Washington” awards.
In this episode, Rose joins Steve to discuss how her Lebanese a...
EP 19: A Conversation with Chef Alex Harrell of The Gloriette and Ben’s Friends
Chef Alex Harrell brings a blend of classical technique and deep respect for Southern technique and seasonal ingredients to his cooking. Raised in southeastern Alabama, he spent childhood weekends on his grandparents’ Gulf Coast farm harvesting produce and cooking with his father. After earning a biology degree from Hampden-Sydney College, Harrell discovered his passion for the kitchen while working at a beachside seafood restaurant. He then moved to New Orleans, cooking under acclaimed chefs Susan Spicer and Gerard Maras. Harrell later led celebrated restaurants including Sylvain and Angeline and opened The Elysian Bar. Today, he serves as Executive Chef at...
EP 18: A Conversation with Justin and Mia Devillier of La Petite Grocery
Chef Justin Devillier and Mia Devillier are the husband-and-wife team behind New Orleans’ beloved La Petite Grocery, where Justin serves as Chef/Owner and Mia as Director of Operations and co-owner. Raised in Dana Point, California, Justin’s early experiences fishing and diving along the Pacific coast sparked a lifelong passion for cooking. After moving to New Orleans in 2003, he worked in acclaimed kitchens before joining La Petite Grocery in 2004. He became Executive Chef in 2007 and, alongside Mia, purchased the restaurant in 2010. In 2016, Justin received the James Beard Award for Best Chef: South. Originally from Charleston, South Carolina, Mia brin...
EP 17: A Conversation with James London of Chubby Fish
James London is a Charleston native whose culinary career began at age 14. After graduating from the College of Charleston and training at The French Culinary Institute in New York, he went on to lead kitchens in New York City and San Francisco, including serving as Executive Chef at the Japanese restaurant Niko in SoHo. Returning home to the Lowcountry, he opened Chubby Fish, a dock-to-table seafood restaurant that quickly earned national acclaim. Under his leadership, Chubby Fish has been recognized by Bon Appétit, Food & Wine, Eater, and The New York Times, and received James Beard Award nominations for B...
EP 16: A Conversation with Kat Kinsman of Food & Wine
Kat Kinsman is the Executive Features Editor at Food & Wine. She is the author of Hi, Anxiety: Life with a Bad Case of Nerves, host of the award-winning podcast Tinfoil Swans, and founder of Chefs with Issues. Previously, she served as senior food and drinks editor at Extra Crispy, editor in chief of Tasting Table, and founding editor of CNN’s Eatocracy. A two-time IACP Award winner, with honors in 2024 and 2020, her work has also been included in The Best American Food Writing. She is an internationally sought-after keynote speaker and moderator on food culture and mental health in th...
EP 15: A Conversation with Culinary Icon Wolfgang Puck
Wolfgang Puck is a chef, restaurateur, and culinary pioneer whose name is synonymous with innovation in modern cuisine. Born in Austria, he worked in some of Europe’s most renowned kitchens before moving to the United States, where his fusion of French technique, California sensibility, and global influences reshaped fine dining. In 1982, he opened Spago, a flagship restaurant that became an international phenomenon and earned multiple James Beard Awards. Over his career, he has built a global restaurant empire, authored bestselling cookbooks, starred in television series, and received many honors including the James Beard Lifetime Achievement Award, induction into th...
EP 14: A Conversation with Andrew Zimmern
Andrew Zimmern is an Emmy- and four-time James Beard Award–winning chef, creator, producer, and storyteller who has built a career on the belief that food tells the world’s most important stories. Through his acclaimed shows including Bizarre Foods, The Zimmern List, and Family Dinner, he’s explored how food can bridge divides and inspire change. Beyond television, he founded Intuitive Content and Passport Hospitality, authored five books, and co-created the Emmy-nominated series Hope in the Water. As a Global Goodwill Ambassador for the UN World Food Programme and The Nature Conservancy, he continues to champion sustainability, fight hunger...
EP 13: A Conversation with Hospitality Entrepreneur Brooks Reitz
Brooks Reitz is a Charleston-based entrepreneur, investor, and writer. He is the owner of Leon's Oyster Shop, Little Jack's Tavern, and Melfi's, in Charleston, and The Bell, in New Orleans. He is also the founder of Jack Rudy Cocktail Co., a manufacturer of mixers and bar tools distributed internationally, and along with his wife, Erin, he is the co-founder of E.M. Reitz, making high-end shirts for women and men in NYC's Garment District. Via investments in brands like Blackbird and MUBI, he is focused on championing food, art, media, and culture; he writes his weekly newsletter, A Small...
EP 12: A New Year’s Message from Steve Palmer
In this special kick-off to 2026, host Steve Palmer and his previous and upcoming guests, including Frank Stitt, Kat Kinsman, Andrew Zimmern, and more, share thoughts on what trends we will see more (and less of) in the new year.
Thank you to our studio partners for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.
EP 11: An End-of-Year Reflection from Steve Palmer
In this special holiday episode, host Steve Palmer takes a moment to reflect on the past year and highlight the important work his partners, community, and friends are doing within the hospitality community and beyond.
Thank you to Sloss Real Estate for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.
EP 10: A Conversation with Hunter Lewis of Food & Wine
Hunter Lewis is the Editor-in-Chief of Food & Wine, a role he has held since 2017, overseeing the brand’s print, digital, and experiential platforms. He began his career in food journalism after leaving a newspaper job in Durham, North Carolina, for a spot in Jonathan Waxman’s kitchen at Barbuto. This experience shaped his editorial approach and deepened his connection to restaurant culture. His path through the food media industry includes leadership roles at Saveur, Bon Appétit, Southern Living, and Cooking Light, ultimately leading to his current position at Food & Wine.
In this episode, Hunter joins Steve Palmer...
EP 9: A Conversation with John T. Edge, author of House of Smoke
John T. Edge is the writer and host of the Emmy Award-winning television show TrueSouth on the SEC Network, ESPN, Disney, and Hulu. He also pens a beloved restaurant column for Garden & Gun and is the author of The Potlikker Papers: A Food History of the Modern South, which was named one of the best books of the year by NPR and Publishers Weekly. His most recent work is a memoir, House of Smoke: A Southerner Goes Searching for Home, which was published in September 2025 and has been met with great acclaim. In addition to his writing and storytelling, J...
EP 8: A Conversation with Frank Stitt
Frank Stitt is the chef and owner of Highlands Bar & Grill, Bottega, and Chez Fonfon in Birmingham, AL, and one of the most influential voices in modern Southern cuisine. A multi–James Beard Award winner and accomplished author, he has played a pivotal role in redefining Southern dining on a national stage while helping put Birmingham’s culinary scene on the map. As a founding member of the Southern Foodways Alliance, he has also been instrumental in documenting and preserving the region’s rich food culture, championing local farmers, artisans, and traditions.
In this episode, Frank joins Steve...
EP 7: A Thanksgiving Reflection with Steve Palmer
In this special solo episode, host Steve Palmer shares his perspective on navigating the holiday season—a time that can be especially challenging for many—as a recovering addict working in the hospitality industry. If you or someone you know in hospitality needs support this season (or any time of year), Ben’s Friends offers professional resources and a strong, compassionate community.
Thank you to Pepper Place for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.
EP 6: A Conversation with Jon Murray of Noko
Jon Murray is the founder of Noko and Kase, two acclaimed East Nashville restaurants that blend Southern roots with a global point of view. With nearly two decades of hospitality experience, Jon is reshaping modern dining through purpose-driven concepts, people-first workplaces, and a commitment to thoughtful, intentional guest experiences. His work challenges industry norms while setting a new standard for creativity and care in contemporary hospitality.
In this episode, Jon sits down with his long-time friend, Steve Palmer, to discuss the challenges of leadership, learning to balance multiple restaurant concepts, and their journey to sobriety through the “gi...
EP 5: A Conversation with Max Goldberg of Strategic Hospitality
Max Goldberg is the co-owner of Strategic Hospitality, the group behind some of Nashville’s most celebrated restaurants and bars, including The Patterson House, The Catbird Seat, Bastion, Henrietta Red, Locust, and Kisser. Since founding the company with his brother Benjamin in 2006, he has helped shape Nashville’s dining culture and grown the group to more than 500 employees. He serves on several local boards, is a member of the Tennessee State Workforce Development Board, and has been recognized by Forbes’ 30 Under 30, Robb Report’s Rising Power Players in American Fine Dining, and as a multi-year James Beard Award nominee for Outs...
EP 4: A Conversation with Will Guidara, author of Unreasonable Hospitality
Will Guidara is the author of the New York Times Bestseller Unreasonable Hospitality. He is the former co-owner of Eleven Madison Park, which under his leadership was named the Best Restaurant in the World. He is the host of The Welcome Conference, a Co-Producer on the Emmy Award-winning series The Bear, and is a recipient of the Wall Street Journal Innovator Award.
In this episode, Will sits down with Steve for an inspiring conversation that ranges from discussing the people who had the most influence on his career, to the evolution of the hospitality industry, to the...
EP 3: A Conversation with Chef John Fleer
A native of Winston-Salem, NC, Asheville-based Chef John Fleer has earned critical acclaim for the way he transforms local ingredients into world-class dishes. The unique "foothills cuisine" he helped establish at Tennessee's Blackberry Farm walked the line between refined and rugged; fancy and familiar. The "freestyle American" cuisine he later brought to downtown Asheville at Rhubarb and The Rhu offered a unique perspective on seasonal ingredients and celebrated his local partners. John has been recognized as one of "Rising Stars of the 21st Century" by the James Beard Foundation and is a five-time finalist for the organization's "Best Chef...
EP 2: A Conversation with Graham House, Sean McMullen, and Sarah Charles Hereford of Luminosa
Executive Chef Graham House, Chef de Cuisine Sean McMullen, and Director of Food & Beverage Sarah Charles Hereford are the talented trio behind beloved restaurant Luminosa at The Flat Iron Hotel in Asheville. Known for its elegant yet approachable take on Italian cuisine, Luminosa celebrates the spirit of the mountains through local ingredients, seasonal flavors, and warm, polished hospitality. A Western North Carolina native, Graham marries Italian traditions with Appalachian sensibilities, creating dishes that honor both heritage and innovation. Sean brings nearly twenty years of experience and a deep knowledge of preservation techniques to the kitchen, grounding each dish in...
EP 1: A Conversation with Meherwan and Molly Irani of Chai Pani Restaurant Group
Meherwan and Molly Irani are the husband-and-wife duo behind Chai Pani Restaurant Group and Spicewalla. Since opening the flagship Chai Pani location in Asheville, NC in 2009, Molly, Chief Hospitality Officer, and Meherwan, Chef and CEO, have grown Chai Pani into a nationally celebrated brand with a team of over 300 people, seven restaurants across the Southeast and Washington, D.C., and a growing spice empire. Together, Molly, Meherwan, and their team earned the James Beard Foundation's award for Outstanding Restaurant in 2022, all while changing the perception of Indian food in America and building a groundbreaking internal hospitality culture, leading with...
EP 23: A Conversation with Simone Reggie of French Truck Coffee
Simone Reggie is the Director of Sales & Marketing at French Truck Coffee, where she leads marketing, community relations, and partnerships across the company's 12 locations. Based in New Orleans, Simone brings over a decade of experience in the food and beverage industry, with a career defined by meaningful relationships and a strong connection to both brands and the communities they serve. Her work blends strategic vision with a genuine passion for hospitality, making her a trusted voice in the world of coffee and beyond.
In this episode, Simone and Steve chat about the impact her Lebanese heritage had...
EP 22: A Conversation with Lilly Jan, Ph.D of Cornell University's School of Hotel Administration
Dr. Lilly Jan is a faculty member at Cornell University's Nolan School of Hotel Administration, where she teaches courses on restaurant design, food and beverage management, and global cuisines. A seasoned educator, consultant, and industry pro, she brings nearly 15 years of hands-on experience in catering, events, retail, and television to her work. Outside the classroom, she specializes in food and beverage entrepreneurship, guiding small business owners through everything from concept development to market launch. Her consulting work has supported a wide range of ventures—from food trucks and on-demand delivery services to CPG startups and community markets—making her a go...
EP 21: A Conversation with Andrew Carmellini of NoHo Hospitality
Andrew Carmellini is the chef and co-founder of NoHo Hospitality Group, which operates celebrated restaurants including Locanda Verde, The Dutch, Lafayette, Carne Mare, and Bar Primi in New York City, as well as multiple establishments in Miami, Detroit, and Nashville. He has become a defining figure in American hospitality and modern Italian and American cuisine, known for creating restaurants that not only deliver high-level food but also deeply consider atmosphere, culture, and neighborhood, ensuring that every space feels both aspirational and grounded. His culinary identity reflects a mix of his rustic Italian roots, New York innovation, and a deep...
EP 20: A Conversation with Rob Rubba of Oyster Oyster
Rob Rubba is the chef and founding partner of MICHELIN-starred Oyster Oyster in Washington, D.C. A James Beard Outstanding Chef (2023) and one of Food & Wine's Best New Chefs (2022), Rob brings over 20 years of experience to his work. A passionate vegetarian and sustainability advocate, he's created a plant-forward, zero-waste dining experience that highlights Mid-Atlantic ingredients, earning national and international acclaim for his innovative approach and deep commitment to responsible sourcing.
In this episode, Rob joins Steve to discuss how working in diverse environments helped him build a wide range of skills, the inspiration behind opening a vegetarian...
EP 19: A Conversation with Debby Soo, CEO of OpenTable
Debby Soo is a forward-thinking leader reshaping how the restaurant industry engages with technology and advocacy. As CEO of OpenTable since 2020, she has brought a people-first approach to innovation, introducing AI-powered tools, securing major global partnerships, and advocating for legislation to support restaurants against issues such as reservation piracy. Known for her transparency and direct communication style, Debby has built an executive team that embodies her ethos of challenging the status quo and being authentic. Whether working with MICHELIN-starred chefs or neighborhood gems, she's focused on building trust, driving change, and keeping the hospitality industry at the heart of...
EP 18: A Conversation with Michael Anthony of Gramercy Tavern
Michael Anthony is the Executive Chef and Partner at Gramercy Tavern, one of NYC's most iconic restaurants. Under his leadership, the restaurant earned a MICHELIN Star and several James Beard Awards, including Outstanding Restaurant and Outstanding Chef. He's known for championing seasonal, sustainable cooking and shaping modern American cuisine with simplicity and care. Before Gramercy, he led the kitchen at Blue Hill at Stone Barns and trained in Japan and France. Michael's also written two cookbooks and is a voice for food education, local sourcing, and a healthier food system.
In this episode, Michael joins Steve for...
EP 17: A Conversation with Jim Irwin of New City Properties
Jim Irwin is the President of New City, a commercial real estate development firm based in Atlanta. With a career that spans over $1 billion in new investments across the U.S., Jim is known for reshaping urban spaces with purpose and style. Before founding New City, he led the acclaimed redevelopment of Atlanta's Ponce City Market, one of the largest historic renovations in the country. His latest venture, FORTH, a hotel and social club in the Old Fourth Ward, opened in Summer 2024 and has already earned national buzz, landing a spot on Esquire's Best Hotels in the World list.<...
EP 16: A Conversation with Ellen Yin
Ellen Yin is the founder and co-owner of High Street Hospitality Group, a powerhouse in the dining scene with restaurants in Philadelphia, New York, and Washington, D.C. Her portfolio includes acclaimed establishments like Fork, High Street Restaurant & Bakery, a.kitchen+bar, and The Wonton Project. Beyond her restaurants, Yin is committed to community service, supporting organizations like Bakers Against Racism, Everybody Eats Philadelphia, and Let's Talk. She also co-chairs the Sisterly Love Collective, an organization that empowers women in hospitality. In this episode, Ellen sits down with Steve to chat through what it was like opening a restaurant...
EP 15: A Conversation with Randy Garutti
Randy Garutti is a legendary figure in the restaurant industry, best known for his role as the CEO who transformed Shake Shack from a single hot dog cart in Madison Square Park into a globally recognized fast-casual brand. Under his leadership, the company expanded to more than 500 locations across the world, went public in 2015, and became known not just for its burgers but for its commitment to quality, community, and a hospitality-driven culture.
In this episode, Randy sits down with Steve to chat through what it was like to grow Shake Shack from a small cart to...
EP 14: A Conversation with Martha Hoover of Won't Stop Hospitality
Martha Hoover is a pioneering American restaurateur and social entrepreneur, best known for founding Won't Stop Hospitality, a collection of acclaimed restaurant concepts in Indianapolis focused on sustainable, community-driven dining. In 1989, after a career as a sex crimes prosecutor and with no formal culinary training, Martha opened Café Patachou, introducing a new standard of farm-to-table food and hospitality in the Midwest. Today, she continues to shape the industry by advocating for ethical business practices, addressing food insecurity through The Patachou Foundation, and providing leadership as a mentor and changemaker in the hospitality world.
In this episode, Martha s...
EP 13: A Conversation with Stephanie Wu, Editor-In-Chief of Eater
Stephanie is the editor-in-chief of Eater, a role she's held since 2022. She leads editorial strategy across more than 20 cities, overseeing writers, editors, and creators. In 2024, she added Punch and Thrillist to her portfolio. Under her leadership, the Eater network has earned 12 James Beard Awards, three National Magazine Awards, and five New York Emmys. Named Adweek's Editor of the Year in 2024, Stephanie also co-founded Mochi Magazine. Originally from Taipei, Taiwan, she now lives in New York City with her family. In this episode, Stephanie sits down with Steve for a thoughtful conversation about how her Asian American heritage has shaped...
EP 12: A Conversation with Smith Hanes of Smith Hanes Studio
Smith Hanes is the founder and creative director of Smith Hanes Studio, an interior design firm he founded in 2004. Based in Atlanta with a second studio in New York, the firm is best known for its work in designing restaurants, boutique hotels, and hospitality spaces with a strong sense of mood and place. Hanes has created some of the South's most iconic restaurants, building a reputation for warm, layered environments where design plays a key role in the guest experience. He has also worked extensively in designing boutique hotels, creating spaces within that feel deeply connected to their local...
EP 11: A Conversation with Tracy Malechek-Ezekiel and Arjav Ezekiel of Birdie's
Tracy Malechek-Ezekiel and Arjav Ezekiel are the husband-and-wife team behind Birdie's, the nationally acclaimed East Austin restaurant known for its fine-dining-caliber food, counter-service format, and values-driven approach. Tracy is a James Beard finalist with a résumé that includes Blue Hill and Gramercy Tavern, known for her deeply seasonal, ingredient-driven cooking. Arjav, named Esquire's "Wine Guru of the Year" and recently awarded the Outstanding Professional in Beverage Service at the 2025 James Beard Awards, brings a thoughtful, values-based approach to wine and hospitality. Together, they've built one of the country's most celebrated and intentional restaurants.
In this episode, Tr...
EP 10: A Conversation with Neal Bodenheimer of Cure Co. and Tales of the Cocktail
Neal Bodenheimer is the Managing Partner of CureCo., the group behind New Orleans' acclaimed bars Cure, Cane & Table, and VALS, and is a partner in Washington D.C.'s legendary restaurant, Dauphine's. He also oversees beverage operations at Peychaud's and serves as Co-Chair of the Board of Directors for Tales of the Cocktail Foundation. A New Orleans native and pioneer of the city's craft cocktail scene, Cure has received a James Beard Award, Pinnacle Guide recognition, and was named "Best Bar in the U.S." by Food & Wine in 2025. His book, Cure: New Orleans Drinks and How to Mix...
EP 9: A Conversation with Danny Meyer of Union Square Hospitality Group
Danny Meyer is one of the most influential voices in modern hospitality. As the founder of Union Square Hospitality Group, he's built some of New York's most iconic restaurants—including Union Square Cafe and Gramercy Tavern—and turned Shake Shack from a hot dog cart into a $3 billion global phenomenon. A leader who pioneered the philosophy of "Enlightened Hospitality," Meyer has reshaped the way we think about service, culture, and leadership in business. Over the course of his career, he's been recognized with countless accolades, including an impressive 28 James Beard Awards for his restaurants and team, and the prestigious Juli...