WILL - Women Interested in Leaving Law

Imagine you’ve gone from big law to in-house and become a GC.  Yet, you feel empty. 

You’ve been a “success” and yet you long for more.

Finally, you allow yourself to explore what else you can do and your passion for travel rises to the top.  

At first you don’t believe it’s possible to make money doing that, but you take one small step at a time to explore.   (Travel is a multi-billion dollar industry after all!)

In this episode of the WI...

Imagine everything in your business or career is successful, but something tugs at you to pause.

Imagine allowing yourself to stop producing, proving, and hustling long enough to ask who you are without your work or title.

In this episode, I’m joined by Goli Kalkhoran, creator of  ‘Lessons from a Quitter’, to explore what it means to press pause on a successful business and sit with uncertainty to uncover what’s next.

She illuminates how:

Do you feel successful on paper but internally frustrated, exhausted, or unfulfilled?

Do you wonder whether the problem is the law itself, or whether you’re in the right environment?

Do you feel anxious, wondering whether you will ever feel truly satisfied in your career?

You’re far from alone.

In this episode, I’m joined by Jennifer Gillman; a former practicing attorney, turned legal matchmaker, and founder of Gillman Strategic Group. Jennifer helps rainmakers find the right law firm fit and re-claim fulfillm...

Imagine you make great money as a lawyer, yet feel trapped by the “golden handcuffs” and unsure if this is the life you want.

Imagine you see that you could leave (big) law, reduce stress, AND pursue a life that aligns with your values, without sacrificing your financial stability.

In this episode, financial advisor Niraj Chhabra, talks through how lawyers; especially women attorneys, can gain clarity around money, values, and career choices.

He shares deep insights into how:

Imagine realizing your vision of practicing law doesn't fit in someone else's structure.

Imagine trusting yourself enough to bring that vision to life. Building a firm grounded in your values, your instincts, and the impact you want to make.

Imagine choosing to create something meaningful. Not because the path is certain, but because staying aligned with your purpose matters more than staying comfortable.

In this episode, Princess Uchekwe, talks through how she made the leap into founding The Chief Counsel; her fractional general counsel firm that provides...

In this special one year anniversary celebration episode of the WILL Podcast, I reflect on key moments in the podcast.  

I share about the top themes from interviews with women lawyers - especially pivotal moments that helped them make their career changes.  I also focus (okay, rant!) on the importance of getting okay with discomfort as we grow and make bold new moves.  

I highlight:

This...

Do you ever feel like you’re doing everything for everyone else and still running on empty?

Would you love to show up as confident and grounded, but you’re often overwhelmed, burned out, or questioning whether you even want to stay in law?

You’re not alone.

In this episode, I’m joined by Career Leadership Coach Emily Hirsekorn, who helps lawyers build clarity, confidence, and fulfillment using her Career Leadership Code and a powerful Energy Leadership framework.

Emily, as she explains “The big idea is there's energy behind our thoughts...

Imagine you are a Romanian immigrant Lawyer who relocates to New York at 22 years old, re-does law school and passes the NY Bar.

Imagine you think you have to be “Superwoman” and do it all - set up and run a business, have a baby, look a certain way - and not realize the mistakes you're making along the way.

Imagine you’re arrested and your 14 year-old daughter sees your mug shot while watching TV after school.   

Andreea Parc never asked for help in her law practice because she thought “I can handle it.” Even w...

Do you spend much of your day thinking: “I need to do XYZ…”?

Does your endless to-do list and litany of “shoulds” parade through your mind?  

If it’s hard to hear what YOU TRULY want to do, you’re not alone.

Here are three questions that quickly cut through the internal noise. 

Listen to these three simple questions.

And because I LOVE you for being here, and value your time,  here they are! 

Here they are:

Imagine you manage to navigate the pressures and achievements of your legal career, yet feel an overwhelming sense of anxiety and dissatisfaction.

Imagine that after you set boundaries and say “no”, you see nothing bad happened.  This helps you loosen the grip of perfectionism, and unlock opportunities that align with your true self.

If you’ve earned your gold stars, but happiness feels out of reach, this episode is for you.

Yael Eiserike shares how therapy and mindset work can dissolve anxiety, ease perfectionism, and open up new paths forward.  Especially with:

Imagine being at the height of your legal career; earning more than ever, admired by peers, and yet feeling completely miserable. 

That was Sarah Burke’s reality before she made one of the boldest choices of her life. To walk away from traditional legal practice in pursuit of autonomy, alignment and self-love.

Imagine transforming from someone who's afraid to say “no,” to  becoming confidently building your own mediation practice, traveling the world, and stepping into your next chapter. 

Sarah didn’t just change careers; she shed layers of who she thought she had to be and s...

Imagine being a 29 year-old criminal prosecutor who’s diagnosed with breast cancer, only to realize the biggest shocker is that chemo is the “best experience of your life.”

Along the way she faced fear, guilt and shame, opening her up to self-compassion and creating a business and life she absolutely adores.

In this episode, we talk about:

Imagine feeling stuck in a high-paying legal job as you’re buried deep in student loan debt.

Imagine having everything you ever wanted in a career - Your dream job right in front of you, and then realizing you absolutely hate it.

Imagine feeling unsure how to make a change…until one conversation shifts everything.

In this inspiring episode, Jessica Medina shares how she went from being completely burnt out and in financial overwhelm, to a place of freedom, clarity, and renewed energy.

She talks through the dawning realization that her drea...

When Mel Robbins agrees with you...

Have you ever been in this situation before women in law?

Your heart races when an unexpected email comes in from a difficult partner, or you wake up with a jolt in the middle of the night. 

You wish you could stop the spiraling, self-doubt and overthinking but just keep going to that worst case scenario. 

How about this instead?

You have a simple, discreet tool you can use anytime, anywhere.

It's effective in the office, on a call or in th...

Trigger warning - adolescent suicide. 

Imagine struggling to leave your firm but you’re "enmeshed" with your group, and don’t want to leave them. 

Imagine you go to an in-house role, and keep “leaning in” at work, giving and giving, while your recognition flat-lines.

Imagine you work in “occupational health and safety” but your own mental health is at the bottom of your priority list. 

Imagine you’ve been making progress and aren’t able to fully put yourself first, until your 11 year old daughter makes a suicide attempt, and this wakes you up i...

What happens when your dream job becomes a nightmare that puts you in survival mode?

In this episode, you will learn how to recognize burnout warning signs, choose yourself over prestige, and align your career with your values.

This is exactly what happened to Samorn Selim. As the daughter of illiterate Lao refugees and the first in her family to go to college, she thought landing a big law job meant she'd made it. Instead, she found herself in survival mode and struggling with health issues.

Samorn Selim shares how she worked through...

Imagine you’re stuck in your current situation because you worry what other people will think.

Imagine thinking, “I don’t want to let other people down,” and yet some part of your soul feels a thud.  Because you’re letting yourself down.

Imagine deciding to care-less (not not care!) what other people think, but you don’t know where to begin.

Leaving long-held relationships at law firms or roles is one of the BIGGEST things that keeps women lawyers stuck.

In this solo episode, see if you’re stuck in the “people-ple...

Imagine going from big law to an in-house role, that’s just as pressured and demanding.

Imagine that you long for more connection and meaning in your work. 

Imagine discovering your passion for Human Design and astrology.  You think this is the direction you want to pivot towards, but you’re scared as heck!  What will other people think?

Imagine finding the support of others and summoning the courage to post about starting your astrology business on your socials.  (And only hearing positive things back!)

This is the story of WILL Alum Mar...

Imagine hitting burnout not once, but twice. The second time, you crash so hard, despite making many positive changes, you can’t walk!

Imagine being an A+ perfectionist and battling daily with your inner critic and people-pleasing tendencies.

Imagine meeting a therapist that finally switched you on to your values (and how everything you were doing was not in alignment with them).

Now imagine turning your crash and burn into becoming a “compassionate coach”. You now help women lawyers get out of their own way, learn how to be self-compassionate and create fulfilling mindse...

What is the nature of human existence?

What are challenges?  

What if challenges are opportunities to help you grow past your conditioning and habitual responses?

These very light questions 🤣 and how you can use challenges to expand and grow are the topic of this solo episode! 

What if challenges are a chance for you to CLARIFY your VALUES and DESIRES?

Listen in to shift the way you think so you can move through the hard stuff more easily and expand your capacity for more joy, alignment and pleasur...

Imagine being a little kid and building your daily outfits around giant hair bows! 

Imagine having part of your soul die while in law school, putting your head down and grinding it out.

Imagine, being told by your future husband, that you always wear black.

Estelle Winsett takes us on a journey from her childhood exuberant self, to a staid lawyer until she rediscovered her love of style and what it can do for women lawyers.

As an attorney who practiced in multiple arenas - from litigation to universities and firm p...

Imagine you’re in a workplace where you know you’re not capitalizing on the best of what you have to offer. You're a creative relationship-builder and feel stymied by the billable hour.  Your current workplace isn't cutting it.

You’re working in law, but not doing work that’s aligned with your values and making a difference in the lives of others.  

Sound familiar?

Rachel Clar's journey out of law started when she realized that a traditional law environment “created a rage inside”. She knew she wasn't living her fullest expression.

In order to v...

Imagine a lifetime of pressure, conditioning and the internal critic saying: “work harder” “be perfect” and “you’re not good enough.”   This is on top of having a brain tumor and near death experience at 17, then losing your father at age 26.   Add in a lawyer practice in big law and the pressure to perform which ultimately leads to a breaking point. In desperation, you search  “Career coaches for women lawyers” on Google in the hope of finding relief.