Thinking Christian: Clear Theology for a Confusing World
Christians shouldn’t just think. They should think Christian. Join Dr. James Spencer and guests for calm, thoughtful, theological discussions about a variety of topics Christians face every day. The Thinking Christian Podcast will help you grow spiritually and learn theology as you seek to be faithful in a world that is becoming increasingly proficient at telling stories that deny Christ. Find more from James at https://www.thinkingchristian.org/.
When Doctrine Divides Christians Who Aren't Wrong
James Spencer and Ashish Varma return to the diagnoses that narrow the church's vision, this time with fragmentation — the way faithful Christians end up separated from one another not by heresy but by tradition, idiom, and the slow drift of communities that no longer talk across their boundaries.
James opens with a job interview from 2005 where a pastor announced he wanted no one in the role who wouldn't bleed for the Southern Baptist faith. Both men are clear that boundaries have real value; the question is what happens when a community's distinctives quietly become the test of wh...
Marx and Moody: What the Church Left Undone | Dr. Gregg Quiggle
Karl Marx and D.L. Moody lived at the same time, watched the same cities industrialize, and asked the same question about the poor. One had a doctorate, wealthy patrons, and a theory of history. The other had about five years of formal schooling and a Bible.
Dr. James Spencer talks with Dr. Gregg Quiggle about Marx and Moody: Two Contemporaries. Two Gospels. Two Tombstones. One Choice., the new book Quiggle co-wrote with Erwin Lutzer for Moody Publishers. They work through where Marx's system runs out of road, particularly its silence on how a state ever relinquishes...
Is Technology Neutral? Grok, AI Deepfakes, and Discipleship
James Spencer and Ashish Varma close out the series on narrowing with amplification — Marshall McLuhan's insight that technology extends human capacity, and what that means when the capacity being extended is our tendency to forget God.
The conversation runs from forks and chopsticks to John Deere, from the fig leaves in Genesis to Albert Borgmann's distinction between things and devices: the wood-burning stove that gathers a household versus the thermostat that anonymizes everything behind the heat. Ashish pushes back on the common classroom line that technology is morally neutral, arguing that development and use are different questions an...
When Your Interpretation Becomes the Authority | Inversion
James Spencer and Ashish Varma continue the series on what narrows the church's vision with a look at inversion — what happens when an interpretive grid quietly takes over the authority that belongs to Scripture itself.
The conversation moves from the hermeneutical spiral (nobody comes to the text from nowhere) to the passages most of us never work: the command not to destroy fruit trees in Deuteronomy 20, God giving the land little by little in Deuteronomy 7, the instruction not to dispossess Moab in Deuteronomy 2, and the "remember the poor" tagline at the end of Paul's account of the Je...
AI With Guardrails: Scott Lindsey on Logos and the Future of Bible Study
More than half of American Christians now say they trust AI with their spiritual life. That is a problem worth taking seriously, and it is also the reason Logos built its AI the way it did.
Dr. James Spencer talks with Scott Lindsey, an executive director at Logos, about what happens when a Bible study tool is cut off from the open internet on purpose. Scott walks through the three design commitments behind Logos AI: no connection to the open web, so answers come from commentaries and scholarship rather than blogs and forums; cited sources down to...
Why Do Christian Institutions Compromise To Stay Alive?
Institutions confuse their own survival with the work of God. Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma close the diagnostic arc of this series with transaction, meaning the trade a person or an organization makes when preserving the platform becomes more important than the faithfulness the platform was built for. The anchor text is Jeroboam, who sets up worship at Dan and Bethel not to introduce a different god but to keep his people from traveling south. Varma's reading sharpens it: the question is whether Israel gathers around the presence of God or whether God is expected to gather...
The Fear Of Syncretism Is Making The Church Assimilate
The fear of losing the faith to another culture is producing the very thing it fears. Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma open a series on three forces pressing on the church, beginning with assimilation, and Varma's argument is that syncretism functions mostly as a fear discourse. The word gets aimed outward, at newer expressions of Christian faith in other places, by people whose own expression is so culturally saturated that they have stopped noticing it. He points out that "essence," the thing we say we are protecting, is a Greek philosophical category rather than a biblical one.<...
Grandparent Texts: Gary Edward Schnittjer on How the New Testament Reads the Old
The usual complaint about the New Testament's use of the Old is that the apostles play fast and loose. Dr. Gary Edward Schnittjer thinks the problem runs the other direction. The Old Testament has gone missing from the research, and once you cut it off, ordinary exegetical moves start looking bizarre. Second Temple interpreters and the New Testament authors resemble each other because they were both apprenticed to the same thousand years of Old Testament authors interpreting earlier Old Testament texts.
In this episode, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Schnittjer work through what he calls vertical context...
Not All Moabites Are Moabites: Gary Edward Schnittjer on How the Old Testament Uses the Old Testament
Most readers hear "Old Testament use of the Old Testament" and picture quotations. Dr. Gary Edward Schnittjer says quotation is the small end of it. An interpretive allusion needs three things: a donor text that gives the language, a receptor text that takes it up, and an identifiable interpretive outcome. That third item is what separates an allusion from an echo, and it is also why later biblical authors so often change the wording. Saying the same thing again was never the point. Moving it forward was.
In this episode, Dr. James Spencer talks with Dr. Schnittjer...
Why Ezra-Nehemiah Ends Badly: Gary Edward Schnittjer on One Book, Two Scrolls, and a Failed Reform
Ezra-Nehemiah opens on a high note. Yahweh keeps the word he spoke through Jeremiah, Cyrus issues the edict, and the exiles go home. By the last chapter, Nehemiah is walking the city alone, pulling out men's hair and cursing them, and the collective repentances that filled the middle of the book have evaporated. Dr. Gary Edward Schnittjer argues that most of the literature, popular and technical alike, has quietly declined to read that ending as an ending.
In this episode, Dr. James Spencer talks with Dr. Schnittjer about his forthcoming commentary on Ezra-Nehemiah in the Baker Commentary...
Deaths of Despair and the Decline of American Religion: What the Data Actually Shows — with Dr. Tamar Oostrom
What does repealing Sunday shopping laws have to do with rising rates of suicide, alcohol deaths, and drug overdoses? More than you might expect. In this episode of Thinking Christian, I sit down with Dr. Tamar Oostrom, health economist at The Ohio State University, to walk through her research on blue laws, religious decline, and what the data reveals about the hidden costs of losing community.
The paper's central finding is striking: states that repealed blue laws — the Sunday retail restrictions that once made church the default social gathering of the week — saw measurable increases in deaths of d...
Why Study the Old Testament? Gary Edward Schnittjer on How Scripture Guides the Study of Scripture
Christians have inherited a strange habit of treating the Old Testament as optional. Dr. Gary Edward Schnittjer argues that Jesus and the apostles would not have understood the question. There was a gospel, a Messiah, and a church before there was a New Testament, and none of it was possible without the Scriptures Israel already had. Even the word "gospel" comes to Mark by way of Isaiah.
In this episode, Dr. James Spencer talks with Dr. Schnittjer about his new book, Connected: How Scripture Guides the Study of Scripture. The premise is that the Bible already teaches...
What if the Holy Spirit is moving outside every gate we've built? A decolonial theologian just changed how I see the church.
Can the church learn to follow the Spirit into places it hasn't been looking? In this episode of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma sit down with Dr. Oscar Garcia-Johnson — Professor of Theology and Decolonial Studies at Fuller Theological Seminary and author of Spirit Outside the Gate: Decolonial Pneumatologies of the American Global South — for a conversation that will stretch your theological imagination in the best possible way.
Oscar unpacks why the Holy Spirit resists every attempt at domestication, why Pentecost was never about cosmetic diversity, and why genuine Christian maturity looks less like doct...
What if every culture in history knew something about God that Western modernity made us forget?
Is modern life quietly replacing God with something else? In Episode 60 of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Farma welcome back historian and theologian Dr. Kevin Flatt (Associate Dean of Humanities, Redeemer University) to explore one of the most urgent and underexamined ideas in Christian thought today: Sacred Social Order.
Every civilization in human history — from ancient China to Mesoamerican empires to early Christian Europe — understood that human society must align with something higher than itself. That intuition isn't gone. It's been replaced. By nationalism. By progressive identity movements. By civil religion. By the cult of t...
Is "secular" really neutral? A historian reveals what the West forgot — and why it changes everything for Christians today.
What if secularization isn't the decline of religion — but the replacement of one social order with another? In this episode, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma sit down with Dr. Kevin Flatt, professor of history at Redeemer University and author of Secularization, Social Order, and World History, to unpack one of the most provocative frameworks in contemporary Christian thinking: Sacred Social Order.
Kevin introduces the idea that every human culture — until the modern West — has organized its life around something higher than itself. He argues that what we call "religion" is actually a uniquely Western, uniquely modern...
Can a nation be "Christian" without Christ?
Is "Cultural Christianity" a bridge to the gospel — or a counterfeit that replaces it? In this episode, Dr. James Spencer (PhD, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School) and Dr. Ashish Varma respond to James Wood's widely-discussed First Things article, In Defense of Cultural Christianity. Together they unpack why calling a civilisation "Christian" when Christ is not its governing authority is not just imprecise — it's theologically catastrophic.
From the Christendom narrative and American civil religion to the habituation of virtue, abortion statistics, and a profound meditation on Pentecost in Acts 2, this episode models what serious Christian thinking looks like when it r...
What does it actually mean to be human?
What does it mean to be human — really? In an age of AI, transhumanism, and relentless technological "progress," Christians are making confident claims about humanity without a solid theological foundation underneath them. In this episode, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma sit down with Dr. Marc Cortez, Dean of the Litvin School of Divinity at Wheaton College, to explore one of the most urgent and underdeveloped doctrines in Christian thought: theological anthropology.
Dr. Cortez challenges the tendency to let the Image of God do all the heavy lifting — and makes a compelling case that the human body...
Systems, Virtue & the Body of Christ
What if the church is trapped in the same invisible loop as an addict — and doesn't know it?
What does addiction science have to do with the body of Christ? More than you'd think. In this follow-up conversation, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma build on their interview with Dr. David Van Dyke (Wheaton College Marriage & Family Therapy) to explore how systems thinking unlocks a deeper understanding of church health, Christian formation, and why faithful people keep repeating the same destructive patterns.
Drawing on Kent Dunnington's groundbreaking work Virtue and Addiction, the conversation reveals th...
What if your family's biggest problem isn't the person acting out — it's the system they're trapped in?
Most people think of mental health as an individual problem. Dr. David J. Van Dyke — professor, marriage and family therapist, and co-host of the With You podcast — thinks that's exactly the wrong frame. In this episode, Dr. Spencer and Ashish sit down with David to unpack how family systems therapy fundamentally reorients the way we see suffering, relationships, and even the gospel itself.
From a rebellious teenager who kept losing possessions until there was nothing left to take, to Paul's language of perseverance in suffering, David draws a sweeping line between relational science and redemptive theology. He argue...
Why Your Parenting Checklist is Failing (And What Scripture Offers Instead)
Is Christian parenting a strict formula to execute, or an art form to practice?
In a culture that bombards Christian parents with exhaustive 10-step checklists and uniform blueprints for family life, it is remarkably easy to accidentally provoke or exasperate our children. This week, Dr. James Spencer, PhD and Dr. Ashish Varma return to the podcast to look at fatherhood through the lens of scriptural wisdom rather than cultural anxieties.
True biblical wisdom doesn't produce recipe-followers; it forms adaptive disciples. Pulling from the book of Proverbs, the Sermon on the Mount, and the letters of...
Women in Ministry: History, Stakes, and What Comes Next with Beth Allison Barr
The Southern Baptist Convention just passed a constitutional amendment restricting women in ministry — and the implications reach far beyond the SBC. In this episode of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and co-host Ashish Varma sit down with Dr. Beth Allison Barr, historian, Baylor professor, and author of The Making of Biblical Womanhoodand Becoming the Pastor's Wife, to break down what happened, why it matters, and where evangelical Christianity may be heading.
Beth traces the amendment's path from 2022 to its overwhelming passage in 2025, explains why Al Mohler's role was decisive, and unpacks the striking inconsistency at the heart of...
Discipleship, Not Dominance: Rethinking Biblical Masculinity with Dr. Kutter Callaway
What does it actually mean to be a male disciple of Jesus? And why does so much of what gets called "biblical masculinity" look more like cultural bravado than anything Jesus modeled or taught? In this episode, I'm joined by Dr. Kutter Callaway, associate professor of theology and psychology at Fuller Seminary and author of Theology for Psychology and Counseling, to dig into those questions.
We talk through how we got here, because this didn't just appear out of nowhere. There's a history, a response to the feminist movement, the Promise Keepers era, and now a political...
👥 Shadow vs. Substance: How the Book of Hebrews Unlocks Old Testament Law
🤔 What if Old Testament laws aren’t outdated rules to follow, but a deep, tangible story we are invited to practice?
🎙️ In this episode of Thinking Christian, host James Spencer is joined once again by Rebecca Josberger and Renee Duffy from the Bible Unbranded podcast to tackle one of the most debated topics in biblical study: how to interpret Old Testament law through a theological framework. 🗺️
Using the command of the Sabbath as their core anchor ⚓, the team unpacks how the ancient laws in Deuteronomy and Exodus are designed to reveal the incomparable character of God rather than c...
🔋We treat the Sabbath as a rigid restriction on our freedom! Reclaiming Sabbath as a radical declaration of God’s provision and our trust.
s the Old Testament Law a heavy burden to be avoided, or a guide to the heart of the Lawgiver? 📜🤔
In this installment of our crossover series with the Bible Unbranded podcast, Dr. James Spencer, Renee Duffy, and Dr. Rebekah Josberger tackle the common misconceptions surrounding Biblical Law. Far from being an obsolete set of rules, the law—and specifically the Sabbath command—reveals deep theological truths about who God is and how He cares for His creation.
In this episode, we discuss:
Rehabilitating the Law: Moving past the idea that the Law is "passe"...
📜We treat the Old Testament as a dry list of rules. Discovering Deuteronomy as the "Heart" of God’s love and provision.
For many Christians, the Book of Deuteronomy feels like a dense wilderness of repetitive laws and ancient regulations that seem disconnected from a vibrant relationship with Jesus. 📜📉
In this episode of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer sits down with Renee Duffy and Dr. Rebekah Josberger from the Bible Unbranded podcast to flip the script. They reveal that Deuteronomy isn't a burden—it’s the "backbone" of the Bible. By exploring the specific "if-then" commands and Moses' final heartfelt sermons, they show how these laws are actually windows into God’s character, designed to help us fall in love with Hi...
🛤️Trying to raise "perfect" kids by following rigid rules? Shifting from religious checklists to a Spirit-led walk in wisdom.
Is there a "secret recipe" for biblical fatherhood, or have we been looking at the wrong map? 🗺️🧔
In this special Father's Day episode of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma sit down to discuss the weight and wonder of Christian fatherhood. Moving beyond cultural stereotypes, they dive into Ephesians 5 and 6 to explore how a father’s role is rooted not in dominance, but in the wisdom of the Spirit and the mutual submission of the household.
In this episode, we discuss:
Walking in Wisdom: Breaking down Ephesians 5:15-21 and why "making the...
Redefining Toughness: How Ancient Philosophy & Scripture Shape the Male Soul ⚓
Is our modern definition of "toughness" actually biblical, or is it just a shadow of the ancient world? 🏛️💭
In this intellectually stimulating episode of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma explore the intersection of virtue ethics and theology. They look back at how the ancient world understood masculinity and femininity in relation to the virtues and ask: How did the early church transform these ideas into a call for all disciples?
In this episode, we discuss:
Virtue Epistemology: Moving beyond "what we know" to "who we are" as a prerequisite for trut...
🛡️ The narrow "Biblical Manhood" checklist is failing us. Reclaiming overseer and deacon traits as the blueprint for every disciple.
Is 1 Timothy 3 a list of "manly" traits, or a calling for the entire Body of Christ? 📋🤔
In this episode of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma dive into one of the most cited texts in the "biblical manhood" debate: 1 Timothy 3. They challenge the common assumption that the characteristics of overseers and deacons are exclusively masculine, demonstrating how these same virtues are applied to women and the broader community throughout the New Testament.
In this episode, we discuss:
The Shared Vocabulary of Virtue: Exploring how terms like "above reproach" and "respectable" are ap...
🏗️ Filling the Void: What Comes After "Biblical Manhood"?
If we move past the confusing labels of "biblical manhood," what are we actually left with? 🗺️❓
In the final visionary installment of this series on Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma address the "void" left behind when we deconstruct faulty masculinity frameworks. If "biblical manhood" as a standalone category is unclear and often unhelpful, what is the concrete path forward for men in the church?
In this episode, we discuss:
The "Void" Problem: Why taking away a flawed boundary requires us to put a better, biblical foundation in its place.
🛤️ Patterns Over Principles: A New Framework for Biblical Manhood
Are we following Jesus, or just a "masculine" version of ourselves? 🗺️🤔
In this episode of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma dismantle the common "mapping" errors in the biblical manhood conversation. They argue that many modern frameworks for masculinity are actually "second-order" cultural reactions rather than "first-order" biblical truths.
In this episode, we discuss:
How to Lie with Maps: Understanding how the "abbreviations" we use to define manhood can lead to unintentional deception.
The Discipleship Anchor: Why true manhood is found in learning to live under the authority of Chris...
Discipleship Over Definitions: Why Character Trumps Personality ⚓
Does being a "Biblical Man" mean fitting into a specific cultural mold? 🗺️🤨
In this installment of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma tackle the "methodological problem" that often distorts our view of masculinity. They argue that we’ve spent too much time trying to define "manhood" through cultural reactions and not enough time following Jesus as disciples.
In this episode, we discuss:
The "Lying Map": How we allow cultural abbreviations to simplify our understanding of masculinity to the point of falsification.
The Trap of Reaction: Why reacting t...
Beyond the "Uber-Masculine": Finding Identity in Christ’s Authority ⚓
If we throw away the old, distorted maps of manhood, what do we use to navigate instead? 🗺️📍
In this episode of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma move into the constructive phase of their series. They explore how to redraw the "map" of male discipleship by centering it on the authority of Christ rather than cultural reactions.
In this episode, we discuss:
The Problem with Over-Correction: Why reacting to a "crisis in masculinity" often leads to a distorted, machismo-focused view of Jesus.
Discipleship as the First Order: R...
Beyond Stereotypes: Redrawing the Path for Male Discipleship ⚓
What happens when the "old maps" of masculinity fail us? 🗺️📉
In this follow-up episode of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma move from critique to construction. If the cultural and traditional "maps" of biblical manhood are distorted, how do we redraw them without falling back into the same traps? They explore how to approach male discipleship when the old frameworks have failed, focusing on the character of Christ rather than cultural caricatures.
In this episode, we discuss:
The Failure of Frameworks: Identifying why old "maps" of manhood often lead to...
Rethinking Masculinity: From Cultural Stereotypes to Christ-Centered Discipleship ⚓
Is the current conversation around "Biblical Manhood" giving us a clear path, or just a distorted map? 🗺️🤔
In the season premiere of our new series on Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ashish Varma dive deep into the "methodological problem" at the heart of the modern masculinity debate. Drawing inspiration from the classic book How to Lie with Maps, they explore how abbreviations and cultural shortcuts can lead us away from reality and toward a "machismo" caricature of Jesus.
In this episode, we discuss:
The Mapping Problem: How every "abbreviation" of reali...
Faith in the Age of Reason: Navigating the Journey of Modern Theology 📜🧭
How did we get here? From the Enlightenment to the rise of Postmodernism, the landscape of what we believe about God has shifted beneath our feet. In this episode of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer sits down with renowned theologian Dr. Roger E. Olson (Emeritus Professor at Baylor University) to map out the fascinating—and often turbulent—history of modern theology.
They explore the tension between tradition and the "modern mind," discussing how giants like Schleiermacher, Barth, and Bonhoeffer navigated a world that was rapidly deconstructing old certainties. Whether you're a theology nerd or just trying to unde...
The Numbing Trap: From Ozempic to "Biohacking" our Way Out of Reality 💉🧠
In a world that demands instant results, we’ve found a thousand new ways to numb the pain of existence. Join Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ben Mathew for the final installment of our series as they tackle the normalization of "quick-fix" drugs—from anabolic steroids and TRT in the fitness world to the rise of GLP-1s like Ozempic.
We explore the dangerous trade-offs of modern biohacking and why the Christian life calls us to lean into the "friction" of reality rather than anesthetizing ourselves against it. If you've ever felt the pressure to "optimize" your body...
The Limits of Therapy: Why a Counselor Can’t Replace Your Community 🛋️📉
Are we asking therapy to do something it was never designed to do? In this episode of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ben Mathew take a provocative look at the "Counseling Industry" and its role in a collapsed culture.
While therapy is a vital tool for clinical challenges, Dr. Mathew shares the growing trend of counselors feeling like "paid friends" for people who are simply missing the basic structures of a healthy life. We dive into why the clinical office is a great place to meet a need, but a terrible place to sustain a...
The Loneliness Epidemic: Why Modern Life is a Structural Trap (and How the Church Breaks It) 🛑🤝
Loneliness isn't just a "feeling"—it’s a structural crisis. In this episode of Thinking Christian, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ben Mathew take a hard look at the "Epidemic of Loneliness" and why our modern way of life is practically designed to keep us isolated.
Building on the "Embodied Leg" of our mental health stool, we explore how the transition from a "physical" world to a "convenience" world has stripped away the natural friction that used to bring us together. It’s time to move past the "on-demand" lifestyle and rediscover why being a member of the Bo...
Beyond the Screen: Why Your Physical Presence is the Secret to Mental Health ⛪🫂
In an era of digital convenience and "on-demand" spirituality, have we lost something vital by staying home? Join Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Ben Mathew as they explore the "Embodied Leg" of the mental health stool.
This episode dives into the "Deaths of Despair" phenomenon and how the simple act of being physically present in a local church community serves as a powerful buffer against anxiety and isolation. We’re moving beyond abstract beliefs and looking at the tangible, physical habits that ground us when the world feels overwhelming.
In this episode, we discuss:
Suffering for Christ's Sake
Hundreds of churches once bombed and burned to the ground are not only standing again but thriving in Sudan and South Sudan. Hear stories of pastors who experienced intense persecution and how their faith sustained them.
Resources:
Learn more about the Church Reconstruction Program in South Sudanhttps://www.samaritanspurse.org/construction/celebrating-over-500-new-churches-in-south-sudan/
To hear more about Ryan’s time in Sudan listen to Serving in Uncertainty: The War in Sudanhttps://ontheground.samaritanspurse.org/podcast/serving-in-uncertainty-the-war-in-sudan
Listen to “Plane Hijacked in Africa: The Pilot’s Story Part 1 and 2” to hear the insp...