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Natalie Decker led laps at Daytona, at times got dragged for it online, and still hears she’s only here because of how she looks -- so Kenny Wallace sat her down to get the real version. Natalie walks Kenny through the whole Daytona night: the last-minute sponsor deal she swore she’d never take again, the restart where nobody wanted to work with her, a radio that stayed silent for a full lap while she ran up front, and why she pulled out of the lead when the guy behind her wouldn’t stop trying to get his lap ba...

Kenny Wallace and Ken Schrader are back together this week after a few weeks without Schrader and Talladega gave them plenty to debate. Kyle Larson went from 11th to the win off a three-wide draft, and the Cup points race just got a lot less tight. Herm and Schrader break down how it happened, why Larson now pretty much has to lose this championship, and what those wrecks looked like to guys who’ve been there.

Then the part everybody’s mad about. For a big chunk of the race the field rode around at half throttle to s...

Kenny Wallace sits down with AJ Allmendinger, and AJ’s career path is wilder than you’d guess.

His parents mortgaged their house three times to keep him in go-karts. He qualified dead last at Bristol and called it the happiest moment of his life. He gave his prize money back just to keep a ride. Then he won the Rolex 24, a Cup race at Watkins Glen, and the Brickyard.

AJ opens up about crying in Victory Lane at the Roval, why he sits on the plane after a bad race convinced, he’s letting everyb...

Kyle Larson needed ten straight top-ten finishes to basically lock up the Cup title. Phoenix ended that dream in a hurry: a 22nd-place qualifying run, a car that never came alive, and a wall at the end of it.

Ken Schrader’s out for a second week, so Kenny Wallace brings in Rick Mast, his old running buddy from the Busch Grand National days, and the two of them get into everything. Rick opens with the story of showing up to his daughters’ country-music birthday bash dressed as Waylon Jennings. From there, it’s Tyler Reddick ending a long...

Michael Andretti doesn’t dodge. Kenny Wallace gets the IndyCar legend and team owner to explain how Team Penske got busted with push-to-pass on their cars, why Michael thinks they knew exactly what they had, and whether Roger himself was in on it. He also reveals the meeting where he told Roger IndyCar’s marketing needs a serious overhaul, and Roger wasn’t thrilled to hear it.

Then come the stories. Dale Earnhardt once begged Michael to drive for him, and it ended with Dale in the wall and a friendship that never recovered. Michael explains why he ret...

Ken Schrader is out for two weeks, so Rick Mast is once again stepping in to give his takes along with Herm. Kenny Wallace kicks things off by telling everybody about the dirt race he just won. Started ninth, took the lead with two to go, and made sure to thank himself in the winner’s interview.

 On the Cup side, Chase Briscoe wins again in a side-by-side finish with Christopher Bell, and the guys break down what almost went wrong when teammates race that close to the line. Then it’s Denny Hamlin’s turn. A stray t...

Shannon Spake is one of the best to ever work a NASCAR garage, and Kenny finally got her in the chair. Kenny and Shannon go way back, from sharing a makeup room at Fox to texting each other when life got heavy.

Shannon explains how she made her name in broadcasting from humble roots in Florida. How losing her NFL gig with FOX has motivated her even more. They get into how rough the early days were, with Kyle, Kurt, Tony, and Kevin telling her exactly what they thought on live TV, and why she's grateful for...

Kyle Larson finished second at Las Vegas and actually extended his championship lead to 40 points with five races to go. But the way he got there had Schrader taking a closer look at one of Larson’s biggest risks of the day.

The guys break down Larson’s wild finish, including the move that sent him into the wall and could have changed the points picture if it didn’t work out. Larson still came away with a runner-up finish and a bigger championship lead, but Schrader explains why he thought the move was a pretty low-percentage play...

Mark Martin stops by Kenny Conversation to talk about his new book, Never Lift, and the stories in it are wilder than you'd expect.

We'll start with the one Kenny couldn't wait to hear. Mark's dad, Julian, loses his cool after a big race in Springfield, Missouri, when a brand-new ignition quits with the win on the line. Nobody says a word all the way to Denny's. Then comes the crowbar. Then comes the pole in the parking lot. Then comes the coil’s ultimate demise. Trust us, you'll want to hear the rest of this one.

Kenny Wallace went to Disney, came home to a Martinsville mess, and has been fired up ever since.

This week, Herm and Schrader start with what happened after the checkered flag at Martinsville and the fights that went down. Then it's on to Kansas, where Kyle Larson ran away with it and the guys argue about the points picture with six races left. They also ask whether the stage points might be the best system NASCAR has ever had. Then comes the question that split the room: was it a good race, and should NASCAR quit comparing...

She's 22, she drives a 12,000-horsepower Top Fuel dragster for Ron Capps, and she still remembers exactly what it felt like the day her dad found out — before she did. Kenny sits down with NHRA rising star Maddi Gordon to talk about the wildest way anyone's ever gotten offered a ride (spoiler: she was on a motorcycle when she found out), the double-family-win day that changed everything, and fangirling over Sophie Cunningham backstage at NASCAR.

But there's way more to Maddi than the win light. She started a fabrication company with her sister when she was 15 — before she even...

Rick Mast sits in for Herm this week, and he and Ken Schrader waste no time getting into it. The Blaney-Hocevar fight at Bristol gets the full breakdown — who really screwed up, why Rick says the real mistake happened before a punch was ever thrown, and what it means that fans can't get enough of Hocevar while the garage can't stand him. They’re not pulling any punches when it comes to their thoughts on what needs to happen with the rising star and the drivers who have to put up with him.

From there the guys get...

Kenny Wallace sits down with Nick Hoffman fresh off the biggest win of his career — the 56th running of the World 100, the most-watched Dirt Late Model race ever broadcast. They get into what it felt like watching his text messages blow up from Australia to a hotel lobby full of Cup drivers, why Kenny publicly called the win five days early, life at the shop with his crew being neighbors with Ricky Stenhouse Jr., the truth about NASCAR money creeping into dirt racing, and his growing mentorship of Carson Hocevar. Hoffman also talks about his decision to race for Sp...

Eighteen cautions, four-wide into turn one on a flat mile,  brakes going away everywhere you looked – and at the end of it Kyle Larson breaks a 51-race drought on four fresh tires while Joey Logano sits there with two. The guys agree last weekend was one of the best races they've seen at the track -- and they'd tell you if it wasn't.

NASCAR's TV viewership is up almost every week this year, and Herm, Schrader get into why – shocker – they’re crediting a lot to Carson Hocevar stirring things up and a new generation of drivers who don't...

Michael Waltrip sits down with Kenny Wallace for one of the most honest conversations of his career. They go all the way back to Owensboro, Kentucky, where a broke kid with a borrowed go-kart ended up crashing on Kyle Petty's basement floor, then Richard Petty's guest room, just trying to find a way into NASCAR. From there it's one wild story after another: the horrifying 1990 Bristol wreck that left him standing next to a mangled car with his feet on the ground, the Dale Earnhardt friendship that turned into a Cup team, and the commercials that made him one...

This week on Herm & Schrader, we breakdown Christopher Bell's big win at Darlington to kick off the Chase for the Championship.  Carson Hocevar's at it again, this week with Brad Keselowski.  What's different this time and why has Schrader finally had enough?  And, Josh Berry has found his new home with Legacy Motor Club.  We went straight to the source with the Wood Brothers to find out what went wrong and why everything seems to be going so good right now.  Questions, questions, they'll all be answered on this week's Herm & Schrader.

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Darrell Gwynn was one of the fastest men in drag racing — until one crash changed everything. He lost his arm. He lost the use of his legs. But somehow, he didn't lose himself.

This week, Kenny Wallace sits down with the NHRA legend for a conversation that goes way beyond racing. Gwynn opens up about the wreck that ended his career, the outpouring of support from the NASCAR and racing world that got him through it, and how he turned tragedy into a mission — becoming a car owner and a lifeline for others living with paralysis through his...

This week on Herm & Schrader, Ryan Preece's walk-off Daytona win to punch his ticket into the Chase, and trying to decipher on what the Wood Brothers meant about Josh Berry with a message that could have been a ‘backhanded compliment.’ They then turn to how Mark Martin’s ‘campaign’ to reward consistency over wins knocked SVG out of the Chase.

The guys are also trying to figure out why Jimmie Johnson picked this moment to finally say something about Carson Hocevar with a post on X both complimenting – and criticizing Number 77 – and then, almost like he read it, Hocevar wrec...

Two old FOX Sports colleagues, one wide-ranging conversation about NASCAR, media, and everything in between. Kenny Wallace sits down with Danielle Trotta — pit reporter, host, radio voice, and one of the most versatile names in NASCAR media — to swap stories from their days working together, and dig into how she built a career that touches every corner of the broadcast. Pre-race, post-race, in the pits, on the radio — Trotta's done it all and talks about how she broke into the business and what it actually takes to cover this sport. Plus: her take on how TV can do a better...

Ryan Blaney just put another Ford in Victory Lane at New Hampshire and it's starting to feel like a pattern. Herm and Schrader break down whether the Blue Ovals are actually closing the gap on Toyota, or if it’s all track-dependent? Speaking of Fast Fords, Josh Berry is on fire as of late and driving like he has something to prove -- so why does he not have a ride for 2027? 

And to wrap it up: IndyCar just ran through the streets of Washington DC, and now everyone's asking the obvious question — could NASCAR be next? Herm...

Two former TV colleagues get together to talk all things NASCAR. Originally airing on 10/1/24, the episode features Kaitlyn Vincie sharing her journey from local track host to FOX TV pit reporter. The story of how she got her job is amazing—and she’s into a lot more than just racing. From writing a novel to hosting short-term vacation rentals in the mountains, Vincie is a jack-of-all-trades.

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This week on Herm & Schrader, our old friend Rick Mast is back to fill in for Schrader.  The guys take a look at Joey Logano's win at Richmond and how he's positioning himself for a run at a fourth Cup title.  Meanwhile, last year's champion Kyle Larson jetted off to Knoxville after Richmond and captured Sprint Car racing's ultimate prize.  But was the race unfairly delayed so he could get there?  And, Cleetus McFarland made his Late Model debut at Berlin in front of a standing-room-only crowd for three race nights.  Why do the fans love Cleetus so much, and c...

He’s one of the all-time great dirt racers. Some people call him “JD” or “Superman.” But his real name is Jonathan Davenport. Originally airing 06/21/23 Kenny & Jonathan discuss the real dirt of dirt racing. Davenport explains how he’s shifted his entire racing strategy to focus on the big money races at Eldora. Why his career also took off thanks to a pair of glasses. And does every dirt racer really wanna go NASCAR? Wallace & JD discuss it all! 

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This week on Herm & Schrader, we look back on Ty Gibbs' slick two-tire move to take the Iowa win over Christopher Bell, but will new pavement make for better racing next year?  The 2027 Cup schedule keeps slowly trickling out. What tracks are in and which are out when it's all said and done?  And, Carson Kvapil goes from winless to winning two in a row...could Kid Kvapil be a dark horse for the O'Reilly Series title?  These questions and more will all be answered on this week's Herm & Schrader.

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Originally airing 2/21/24, this Kenny Conversation with Jamie Little covers every corner of motorsports. Jamie shares her journey from being a young teenager in Las Vegas, whose fascination with motocross led to opportunities across the X Games, NASCAR, and IndyCar. Hear the story about how she managed to land a pit reporter role with ESPN during their launch of NASCAR coverage, and how she approached her boss at FOX about spending some seat time as a play-by-play announcer. Jamie also shares how she's led a balanced lifestyle and continued to prioritize her family and physical fitness even with a hectic...

Even without any racing in NASCAR's Big 3 series over the weekend, we still have lots to talk about. One of the biggest controversies currently circulating: Carson Hocevar's recent comments stating NASCAR is on a ventilator and asleep at the wheel. Both Herm and Schrader have strong opinions about those statements. The next discussion gets everyone fired up: is the season too long...are the races too long... and would shortening both create more interest? IHRA created a lot of buzz in the offseason by buying tracks and series, but recently canceled the remainder of their racing season. Could IHRA's...

Few drivers have dominated the drag strip like Erica Enders. Originally airing 4/16/24, the 6-time NHRA Pro Stock World Champion joins Kenny Wallace for an awesome conversation about her amazing career. From her groundbreaking success as one of the sport’s greatest female racers to the mindset that keeps her chasing championships year after year. Being a woman in a man’s world isn’t easy. She’s had to deal with criticism and setbacks, but in the end Erica Enders got the last laugh. 

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Corey Heim delivers again...this time at Indianapolis, winning one of NASCAR's signature events in just his 15th Cup start. Just how good will he be when he actually goes Cup racing full-time? Nobody could pass Heim at Indy...or anyone for that matter. The fellas debate what can be done to help the Cup cars put on better races at the Brickyard? After Carson Kvapil got his first O'Reilly Series win, Herm gives his take on why it made Dale Jr. so emotional. Plus, Layne Riggs dominates at IRP, are we seeing the birth of NASCAR's newest star?

Originally airing on February 13, 2024, Geoff Bodine joins Kenny Wallace for a discussion that spans one of NASCAR’s most remarkable careers. Bodine takes us from his hard-nosed Modified roots to winning the Daytona 500 and helping change the sport with groundbreaking safety innovations. He opens up about his fierce rivalry with Dale Earnhardt made famous in “Days of Thunder,” racing for some of the sport’s biggest teams, and surviving one of the most terrifying crashes in NASCAR history. Geoff also discusses one of his greatest feats, helping the USA Olympic bobsled team, by building sleds made right here in the USA...

This week on Herm & Schrader, the guys break down everything from NASCAR's return to points racing at North Wilkesboro Speedway. Joey Logano has been quiet in 2026, but Sunday night gave a reminder of what he’s capable of when things click. The fellas also dig into fan attendance: does a packed Wilkesboro crowd hit differently than a bigger, more spread-out showing at a track like Indianapolis? Who's feeling the most pressure right now - Alex Bowman, Josh Berry, or someone else? Plus, Kenny predicts whether Todd Gilliland is the underdog capable of spoiling everyone's brackets for the mid-season challenge.

Originally airing on March 1, 2024, fresh off his first Daytona 500 win, William Byron joins Kenny Conversation for an honest discussion about his rise from sim racing to becoming one of the sport’s top drivers. William shares his earliest interactions with Rick Hendrick and Jeff Gordon, including which of the two initially doubted his abilities. 

Kenny presses Byron on his evolving relationship with crew chief Rudy Fugle, and William shares why he spends more time at the Hendrick garage than any other HMS driver. Plus, Kenny brings out Byron’s personal side with stories about family, faith, and Legos...

This week on Herm & Schrader, Rick Mast is back and joins Herm as the relief co-host while Schrader races in Iowa. They break down Atlanta as Ryan Blaney dominated his way to victory lane. Meanwhile, Carson Hocevar is still trying to figure out why he got hung out to dry...why can't Carson seem to find any friends on track? Does it really matter? The fellas discuss.  And there were lots of bent fenders and bruised egos following the Truck action at Lime Rock and the O'Reilly Series in Atlanta, which drivers stood out from the crowd?

The man, the myth, the legend...Cleetus McFarland is the latest guest on Kenny Conversation! Kenny and Cleetus dive headfirst into just about everything—from the controversial (yes, they’re talking about the decline of Mountain Dew) to the hilarious (Kenny’s performance in the Freedom 500 gets put under the microscope), and everything in between. Expect laughs, cameos, and plenty of unexpected tangents. Of course, it wouldn’t be a true Cleetus episode without some surprise guest appearances—Squirrel McNutt and Mr. Sam pop in to make sure things stay Kenny-level chaotic.

But it’s not all laughs—there...

This week on Herm & Schrader, Herm's back and we've got lots to catch up on.  Chicagoland Speedway is back too, with an explosive return over 4th of July weekend capped off by two great finishes. Will this be a one-off revival, or could Chicagoland make a return appearance to the schedule in 2027?  Toyota continued its domination of the Cup Series with Chase Briscoe's first win of the season - the fellas debate if Toyota's purported advantage is unfair and if NASCAR should rein them in. Will Brad Keselowski's pointed challenge to Ford and Chevy spark a turnaround for the man...

This week, Kenny Conversation features a pair of childhood friends reconnecting after a long time apart. Kenny Wallace and Terry Phillips grew up together at race tracks around Missouri, with Kenny learning from his brother Rusty, and Terry being under the tutelage of his father Larry. Now, both of their mentors are solidified in the NASCAR Hall of Fame, as Larry was finally elected this year after a long wait. But his son, Terry, also carved out his own racing legacy, becoming one of the best dirt racers of all-time and a Hall of Famer in his own right...

Kenny Wallace is feeling a little under the weather, but don’t worry—the reliever is in! Rick Mast steps back into the booth alongside Schrader to break down all the action from Sonoma. And yes… surprise, surprise—SVG is back in victory lane yet again, delivering another masterclass with his signature fancy footwork on full display. The fellas debate what his win means and what we can learn from it.

Meanwhile, while some are calling Toyota the dominant force of 2026, we dig into the facts and cut through the noise—reminding everyone just how razor-thin the line really...

In this Kenny Conversation, which originally aired on January 17, 2024, defending Cup Series Champion Ryan Blaney joins Kenny to discuss his rise through the ranks of NASCAR. Ryan shares stories of his upbringing and how both his father and grandfather left indelible marks on his childhood. Now a very successful driver for a powerhouse organization in Team Penske, Ryan and Kenny talk about his desire to complete his career driving for The Captain. Where does Ryan see NASCAR trending, and how can he help grow the sport and take it to new heights? All that and more on this week's...

With Herm on vacation this week, we've brought in our ace reliever, Rick Mast, to break down all things San Diego with Schrader. With young talent Corey Heim securing the win, is it too early to start predicting his future Cup Series success? The weekend at Naval Base Coronado was a perfect celebration of racing and patriotism, so could a return trip be on deck for 2027? And after another win in the Truck Series for Layne Riggs, is Front Row Motorsports ready to take the next step? Plus, we remember Steve Wade, a legendary motorsports journalist who helped shape ea...

You’ve heard her on Door Bumper Clear & Rare Breeds, but now you get the full story! Karsyn Elledge joins Kenny Wallace this week for a fun conversation about racing, life, and growing up as part of the most famous family in racing. She explains the family dynamic of being both an Earnhardt and an Elledge, and how her relationship with Dale Jr. has evolved over the years. Karsyn has done basically every job in the racing world and brings that unique perspective to each topic. Kenny and Karsyn also discuss the future of women in NASCAR and which fem...

Herm & Schrader are back home and trying to figure out if anyone can beat Denny Hamlin or Justin Allgaier? The Cup Series had another sellout at Pocono... and the fellas debate if NASCAR's ability to shift the race start time was influenced by broadcasting on a streaming platform like Amazon Prime. NASCAR heads west to San Diego this weekend, what can we expect from an entirely new road course? Plus, Schrader delivers some of the best jokes in H&S history!

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