Getting Work To Work

It's 3:00 in the afternoon and I just finished the second leg of my journey to Tredegar, Wales. Initially, the plan was that after the plane and train, a taxi would take me to my hotel. But things were changing fast, so I sat down on a bench and waited to hear from my travel companions. A random stranger sat next to me, and for over an hour, we talked about politics, geography, and classic rock. Leading up to the trip, anxiety kept me up at night. I feared situations like this. But the deeper I got into the trip...

It's that time of the year when gough, a blind filmmaker from Australia, rolls out a new project at BeernutsProductions.com and shows up on Getting Work To Work to tell me all about it. With linens and orchids in hand, he makes his 28th appearance on the show to talk about Alien Invasion, an audio piece that showcases an alien's perspective of humans, panda bears, horses, whales, and hyenas, not to mention the absolute absurdity of Earth. We talk about our favorite alien-themed shows, why he normally doesn't have bloopers, why the best comedy is rooted in truth...

What does art restoration have in common with the search for meaning, traumatic memories, and writing? Today's guest is Julie Esther Fisher, a fiction writer and poet, and she answers that question through telling stories about her creative journey through writing poetry, short stories, and now a novel. Her latest book, A Pearl is Just an Accident, is a novel-in-stories that, as described on her website, centers on "Eliza James, a paintings conservator whose work restoring damaged art mirrors her search for meaning within the fractures of her own past." In our conversation, Julie connects her curiosity to her...

Where do ideas come from? When do you know an idea is worth bringing to life? What if you aren't qualified? How do you keep going in the face of endless rejection? These are but a handful of questions at the heart of my conversation with inventor, businessman, and founder of Leatherman, Tim Leatherman. His latest project, The Leatherman Book: Stories, Lessons, and Advice from the Inventor of America's Original Multi-Tool, just hit the shelves and it's honestly one of the best business books I've ever read. It's got practical advice that actually helps, stories from Tim's perspective as...

Have you ever read a non-fiction book and wondered, "Why haven't I learned about this before?" Molly Guptill Manning's new book, A Librarian's War: The Man Who Fought World War II with Books and Brought the Joy of Reading to Millions, had me saying that from page one as I learned about Ray Trautman, Chief Army Librarian in World War II, and how he brought books to millions of soldiers in the war. It's the power of books that this conversation is all about. Books not only have a net positive effect on our lives, but a literate and...

Every episode, I end with the same phrase, "Until next time, may creativity and curiosity fuel your life." Lately, I haven't felt curious and the tank certainly feels empty. So, what's the point of saying that phrase when curiosity seems to have left the building and all that's left is a rut-filled routine? Well, like any affirmation, repeating it helps keep the truth in the forefront of the mind: curiosity is the most valuable action you can take every single day. Asking someone how they're doing, going to the library and checking out a book, staring at the leaves...

Recently, I called the non-emergency line for my county's sheriff department and guess who picked up on the second ring? That's right, our good friend, the cheerful AI assistant. There might have been a generic name like Claire assigned to the bot—sorry to all the Claires out there, trust me, it doesn't get more generic than Chris—but it took me a minute to realize I needed to say something to move the prompt forward. This interaction, among others, got me thinking about our societal dependence on artificial intelligence. There's a lot of talk about opting out, but when...

For the past ten years, a common theme on this podcast is learning. Whether we are learning something new or diving deeper into our craft, the ability to experiment and evolve our abilities lead to new ideas and expertise. This sounds like a great way to bring a sense of purpose to our lives, but a sobering question keeps me up at night: what if our society no longer values new ideas and expertise? What if original thought and mastery is no longer valued, or even possible, because as a society we can't focus longer than a second, addicted...

When was the last time you listened to the small voice of intuition? You know the one, the voice that gets you a little excited when considering something new. As creatives, we often find ourselves ignoring it for a variety of reasons. We shove it aside in favor of certainty. We faithfully follow our routines until they become ruts. We chase trends instead of original ideas. Before we know it, intuition and knowing has disappeared. This line of thought is a taste of today's conversation with h.h. rune, a multi-dimensional author, artist, and dancing TikToker. We also explore...

You don't really think about what makes an artist unique until you see the tools of their creation up close. Recently, I visited the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, Ohio and while looking at artifact after artifact I started to see a pattern: intense customization. Most artists memorialized in this shrine to music didn't buy their greatness off the rack, they shaped it through their own hands and creative collaborations. There were wires sticking out of guitar bodies, unique shapes with multiple finishes, endless knobs and faders, and costumes adorned with everything from spikes and patches to...

How do you discover necessary patterns of change in your life? For me, I journal, writing down emotions, successes, and failures throughout moments in time. For decades, I lacked consistency, but in late 2023, inspired by a video on my friend Jack's YouTube channel, I started a daily log of thoughts and ideas. Yesterday, I came across a notebook from 2019–2020, so I traveled back in time to see what was going on six years ago. What did I find? An entry that could have been written today. I honestly felt discouraged. What's the point of keeping a journal if it do...

In this thing called life, we undoubtedly face endless questions: How do I write a funny joke? Am I funny? Where is Chris? What is the meaning of life? Here to help us find some answers to those questions and to talk about his latest audio projects—Reflections – Where is Chris? and The Meaning of Life—is the funnyman himself, gough. We dive right into our typical podcasting shenanigans filled with laughter, inappropriate phrases, and the answer to yet another question: Who has the wettest mouth in Australia? We also talk about important things like oranges, human nature, two-line zinger...

As listeners of this show know, I love asking my guests what they are endlessly curiosity about, but what I rarely take the time to consider is that we could overload our curiosity. What do we do when this happens? Today's guest provides several insights into forming our personal answer to that question. Micah Kassell is a graphic designer, drummer, and a deeply creative soul fascinated with curiosity, belief, and cult-like behavior. From corporate boardrooms to stages, he's learned to approach teamwork from the perspective of the drummer, as time keeper and vibe tender. In this conversation, we explore...

The best conversations not only have interesting questions, but also the necessary time and space to think and respond when answers present themselves. From "What most often brings you joy?" and "What are you endlessly curious about?" to "What is the space you need to give yourself today?" and "Why does where you are matter?", today's guest and I dive deep into ourselves and share what we discover. Michael Hunter is the Founding Mentor of Uncommon Teams, a Coach, Podcaster, and Author of The Resilient Tech Leader: Harness the Power of Mind, Body, Spirit, and Heart to Lead with...

The longer your creative career lasts, the less written about your specific struggles. Writing and producing work for young professionals is enticing because there will always be an eager audience, hungry to succeed. They will 10x absolutely everything in order to keep up with the algorithm and crush the content calendar. The message never changes even though the audience does. But for the rest of us, time tempers all things. While your creativity continues to soar, your willingness to settle for long hours and low wages does not. You grow tired of playing the game. The message grows stale...

What's your gift to the world? What makes you uniquely different than everybody else? Why should I choose you? Three powerful questions from today's conversation with John Ravaris, consultant, speaker, and author of Define Value, Drive Growth: Build a Business Clients Choose and Competitors Envy. In our conversation, John unpacks these questions and more, focusing on how uniqueness creates client value. He talks about his curiosity with what people and businesses are really trying to accomplish, what sales is and is not, how his 4D Roadmap—Discover, Develop, Deploy, and Delight—reveals what makes a business unique, the difference betw...

Years ago, I was having coffee with a friend and he asked me if I wanted his old 3D printer. It had been awhile since I modeled anything in 3D and I couldn't visualize the process, so I declined with a simple statement, "I need to learn to see first." I'm shaking my head at my ignorance. Have I learned to see yet? Nope, I haven't. I haven't even tried. What I did was miss out on an opportunity to dive in and have fun learning something completely new. Vision doesn't show up because we see something, it's revealed...

Of all the questions today's guest asks in our conversation, the biggest of them all is this: "What does it mean to be alive?" Making his sixth appearance on the show, Christopher Butler is a designer, communicator, and deep thinker not afraid to ask tough questions and explore obscure topics. Our conversation begins with nature journaling, the joy of slowing down, observing, and modeling wonder for others. From there, we explore what it means to trust information, the role of modern propaganda and disinformation in our technical society, and the importance of having a consensus, shared reality. Ever deeper...

What are the things you've studied, explored, or even built a body of work around, but ultimately moved away from? As creative professionals, we are wanderers and explorers, constantly searching and striving for new experiences and techniques. But what do we do when we feel the call to return to past areas of study? We are different than before, so why would we even think of doing this, let alone grapple with the feelings that we're selling out or short-changing our evolution? The creative process is like the tide, it comes in, it goes out. We stay and go...

I want to prime you with a question asked by today's guest during our conversation: "What does it mean for you to be fully expressed as a human being in whatever shape that takes?" So much of our life and work is spent in opposition to what we actually want, and yet the possibilities are truly endless. Sarah Bush is a mixed media artist who explores "the relationship between materials and ideas" with fiber, metal, handmade books, and the written word. In our conversation, we dive deep into imagination, the creative process, and the importance of struggle in our...

As a curious person, I am intrigued with what it takes to build skills and get good at a craft. Sure, there's the initial impulse, the desire to pick up a guitar, make a leather bag, or design furniture, but at some point you need to start doing the work. You pluck and strum, sew and saw, cursing and crying as you suck beyond measure. But something in you tells you to keep going. Slowly, you get better. It's hard to say where you'll end up, but that doesn't stop you as you dream about new ideas and possibilities...

What is the work you want to put out into the world so you can experience it? What's keeping you from doing it? Today's guest not only thinks you should do it, but he also genuinely believes in you. I know I needed to hear that. Ian Honeyman is a film composer, songwriter, and founder of Film Score Academy. In our conversation, we talk about his limitless curiosity and creativity for writing and producing music that resonates with people. He shares a lot about the process of writing music, what it's actually like working on Hollywood films, collaborating with...

How would you describe your talent? I know, not a comfortable question to start with today, but I think a lot about what talent is and how we choose to celebrate it as a society. The simple view of talent is this: whatever you want to do, as soon you share your dream with the world, you're immediately put into a category, a genre, an industry, and judged against the best and the brightest. The result? You either have it, or in most cases, you don't. We see this pattern play out in school, at work, in corporate America...

When I find myself getting in my own way or needing a creative pick-me-up, I tune into what Heather Crank is doing with art, AI, design, and technology. She was one of the first artists in my circle to adopt AI, and since we last talked on Getting Work To Work three years ago, she continues to forge her message of shaping the future of AI by using and understanding it. In our conversation, we dive right into the topic of the decade: AI. We talk about what AI is as a tool, why we shouldn't use it as...

As I examine my life, I find that I am in the middle of a massive pivot. I'm no longer who I once was, the young entrepreneur who wanted to work for anyone and everyone doing anything creative. I'm slowly becoming someone different, the thinker, writer, and artist who wants for more than just relying on formulas and routines to make ends meet. Yes, you could label this as a midlife crisis, but frankly, it's more than that, it's a life-altering process of reinvention. It's not easy, it hurts as I get forged by the hammer of reality, and...

How do you work through and process awful events that happen in your life? For today's guest, author Liz Lazarus, she turns them into psychological suspense novels including her brand new book, Dawn Before Darkness. In our conversation, she shares her journey to becoming an author and the importance of educating while entertaining. She also talks about how she approaches multiple pursuits, recognizing and taking opportunities as they present themselves, the joy of writing characters, how spreadsheets organize her creativity, emotional management while writing, and perhaps the best writing tip I've ever heard. Whether you're a fan of genre...

The only prescription you need to get through today is one for laughter. Fortunately, dr. gough—fear not, it's an honorary title—is in the house, pad in hand, to talk about his latest film, The Proposal, now available to download at beernutsproductions.com. We talk about stuff, lots of stuff, funny stuff, and even some serious stuff, all the while chuckling like two idiots who find everything funny. Things like why being busy keeps the demons at bay, exercise routines for comedy writers, the culinary hell that is the scotch egg, why gough's face can't hide a lie, how...

Today's guests couldn't have said a more profound statement during our conversation: "Art is our gift to the universe." Ashley Wren Collins and Jordan Rockwell are the co-authors of She Wrote, He Wrote: A New York Love Story, here to talk about their shared love for art and romantic comedies. In our conversation, they talk about their creative partnership, cracking jokes on the beach of St. Martin, and how they worked together to write a novel, record an audiobook, and produce a podcast. We also talk about the rules of romantic comedies, bringing personal experiences to fictional stories, seeing...

What got you interested in the work you do? Maybe you experienced a work of art that drove you to an easel or a grandparent put a camera in your hands and you couldn't stop taking pictures. For today's guest, it was watching a TV show about a doctor at a young age that led him to medicine. Dr. Kenneth Ro is a physician, creator of the RECLAIM™ Method, and author of PRIME: How to Win the Second Half of Life. In our conversation, we talk about his journey to become an ER doctor with zero backup plans. He al...

Recently, I had an interesting conversation with a friend about perfectionism. I asked, "What triggers perfectionism for you?" They shared some thoughts, generally around being a beginner, but when they asked the same question to me, I took it another direction. I responded, "When I've done things for a long time and feel like I need to prove myself." It's amazing how experience can be both positive and negative. Without it, I would lack the confidence needed to do my job, but too much? Perfectionism. Fear of judgment. Constant comparison. It's amazing how certain questions can unlock a state...

What's the first thought that enters your mind when you hear the word networking? Mine is some form of a sigh, usually ugh. But what if networking isn't what we've made it out to be? What if it's something you can do at your own pace, in your own way? Today's guest is Monique Kelley, a professor, consultant, and author of Redefining Networking: How to Lead with Your Unique Value. In our conversation, we dive into all things networking including her three-step strategic approach: 1) Identify your value, 2) Find an audience, and 3) Communicate your value. She also shares how to...

What does it mean when a book that is not self-help actually helps more than most books in the category? No shade to those authors, I'm sure their books are helping people, but they probably didn't embark on a 10-year research project in search of the answer to the question, "What to make of a life?" When I picked up What to Make of a Life: Cliffs, Fog, Fire and the Self-Knowledge Imperative by Jim Collins at my local library, I saw the title in capital letters, flipped through the pages, and thought I'd give it a shot. What...

How do you grapple with resistance when writing about personal stories from your past? As today's guest learned, "When you get to the pain, slow down." Darls Centola is a psychotherapist, educator, and author of Finding Truth with Michael: A Memoir of Friendship, Faith, and First Love." In our conversation, Darls shares stories from her book including what it was like growing up as a Jehovah's Witness in 1970s Los Angeles, being friends with Michael Jackson, and how her sister got them enrolled in a prestigious private school where they met the Jacksons. She also talks about her curiosity...

Have you ever wondered what a crime novelist can teach you about your own creativity? It turns out, a lot—and not just about weird crimes and sketchy people. Today's guest is Tod Goldberg, the bestselling author of sixteen books, including the Gangsterland quartet and his latest, Only Way Out. Tod is also a professor of creative writing and the founder and director of the Low Residency MFA in Creative Writing & Writing for the Performing Arts at the University of California, Riverside. We start our conversation with Tod stating why intellectual curiosity is essential for writers to connect with pe...

Be honest: How bored are you right now? In all this push to get seen, to be consistent and on-brand, you've managed to become more machine than human. Your processes all have systems that talk to each other, dashboards measure what matters instantaneously letting you know whether you're succeeding or failing, and social media keeps you jacked in and distracted to what's really going on within you. Boredom is often portrayed as something to be avoided, but what if it's actually what you need? What if instead of clicking, swiping, scrolling, and tapping, you did absolutely nothing? What could...

I believe art finds us when we need it most. When I picked up the first issue of Art Bar Magazine and read the welcome letter from the editor, I felt like they were speaking directly to me and welcoming me home. I sent an email inviting the founders of the magazine, Sawa & Ira Ingram to the show, and they graciously accepted. In our conversation, we talk about how their roots in filmmaking, photography, and skateboarding, led them to create a magazine that celebrates new artists, successful creators, and an inclusive art world where everyone belongs. We also discuss...

When was the last time you listened to your inner broadcast? You know the one. It's your unique internal monologue full of beauty, curiosity, hope, imagination, wonder, and intrigue. It's always broadcasting and we have the opportunity to tune in or drown it out with the noise of the world. I'll be honest, it's been hard to hear my inner broadcast lately. Focus is reserved for a handful of daily scattered moments of productivity. But the rest of the time? My mind wanders in the desert of this season of life. As I've talked about before, there are a...

For almost 50 years, today's guest didn't talk about what happened to her on September 6, 1970 when the plane she was on was hijacked. But in her new book, Hostage: A Memoir of Terrorism, Trauma, and Resilience, Mimi Nichter recounts her story of what happened before, during, and after her hostage experience. In our conversation, we talk about her work as a cultural anthropologist and the ways observation and listening inform our ability to understand others. She also touches on how she found her voice in the writing process, choosing to write from memory instead of interviewing others, how images and...

What do you do when you get stuck? Maybe you're like me and you let doubt and despair slow you down or even stop you. Today's guest has a different answer: keep it moving. Bishop Kevin Foreman, "The People's Bishop," is a man of many pursuits—pastor, church planter, bishop, success coach, speaker, author, philanthropist, and entrepreneur—and in this conversation he shares how curiosity, faith, and divine conviction help him to keep his life and work moving. We talk about his insatiable thirst for knowledge, the art of letting go, building the essential skill of reframing, liberating versus limi...

Do you ever feel like you're making the same mistakes over and over again? Yeah, me too. There are some parts of my life and work where curiosity and experimentation are endless, but when it comes to money, I'm stuck on a treadmill of feast and famine. I know enough of the lingo to talk a good game, but really, I'm still doing business like I did when I started 20 years ago. Underneath it all, I'm stuck in a shame spiral wondering if it will ever change. The truth is that something broke a long time ago and instead...