The Intersection with Dr. J + Friends

Dr. J talks with Phil Gillespie of Athletes in Action for a conversation about something many of us treat as mere entertainment but may reveal something much deeper about what it means to be human. With more than three decades in sports ministry, Phil brings a theological lens to our fascination with competition, asking why we care so much about who wins, who loses, who gets remembered, and who gets to stand on top. Drawing on C.S. Lewis and the idea that we were made with a deep desire to be desired and approved of, the conversation explores...

Dr. J talks with author and cultural commentator Brett McCracken for a conversation about something most of us treat as an inconvenience, but Scripture treats as a gift: sleep. Rather than framing rest as a productivity hack or a wellness trend, Brett resists the impulse to treat sleep as merely biological maintenance. From the strange, fascinating facts of what our brains do while we're unconscious to what he calls the deeper trouble with a culture that prizes hustle over rest, the conversation explores how our discomfort with sleep often reveals a deeper discomfort with dependence. The result? We treat...

Dr. J sits down with Chris Richards to explore a provocative question: What if our divisions are rooted in something deeper than politics, and what if beauty is part of the cure?

Rather than reducing polarization to bad ideas or bad actors, this conversation examines the broader economic forces that have reshaped modern life. Chris argues that self-interested economics and the attention economy have not simply changed our politics—they have altered how we understand identity, community, and even ourselves. As wealth, power, and influence become increasingly concentrated, many experience a growing sense of dislocation, ma...

In this short bonus episode, Justin gives some insight about the podcast’s journey and desire to create meaningful dialogue between society and Christian faith centered around thought leadership. 

Highlights: The Intersection now has over 40 episodes and thousands of downloads from over 40 countries.

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In a moment marked by declining church attendance and religious affiliation, competing truth claims, and growing scepticism toward institutions, Dr. J chats with Luke Cawley to explore a pressing question: How should Christians think about evangelism and apologetics in a post-Christian world?

Far from merely winning arguments or using urgent emotional appeals, this conversation examines the deeper currents shaping the foundations of un/belief today. Drawing from his extensive study and ministry experience across Europe and beyond, Luke argues that faith is never found in a vacuum. Every culture creates conditions that make certain beliefs...

In a political culture overflowing with opinions but often lacking deeper reflection, Dr. J sits down with Dr. Michael Giles to explore a deceptively simple question: What is political theology, and why does it matter?

Far more than partisan preferences or ideological instincts, political theology asks how our understanding of God, human nature, authority, and the common good shapes the way we think about politics. Drawing from Augustine and various intellectual traditions, Dr. Mike argues that every political vision rests upon deeper assumptions about reality, whether we recognize them or not.

Along the way, Justin...

Dr. J sits down with Karen Swallow Prior for an incisive conversation about the evangelical imagination. In a moment where many seem more discipled by the trappings of a subculture and internet tribalism than by wisdom, beauty, or truth, Karen argues that the crisis facing evangelicalism is not merely theological or political, but imaginative. Drawing from history, literature, theology, and cultural criticism, Justin and Karen explore the powerful but often invisible forces that shape how evangelicals engage the world. From Victorian moralism and sentimentalism to modern consumerism and culture war reflexes, they unpack the “social imaginary” that forms contemporary fait...

Dr. J chats with seminarian and writer Jamie Carlson for a candid and humanized conversation about the state of evangelical gender discourse—and why so much of it feels simultaneously overheated and unserious. In a cultural moment shaped by tribalism, suspicion, and outrage, Jamie argues that many Christian conversations about gender have become less about seeking truth together and more about protecting camps and caricatures. The result is a discourse that often forgets the humanity of the people involved.

Rather than reducing the conversation to slogans or talking points, Justin and Jamie explore what it mi...

Justin talks with author and cultural sage Nicholas McDonald for a theologically rich and aesthetically grounded conversation about what it looks like to create—and engage—art that tells the truth. Rather than treating art as a delivery system for simplistic messages, Nicholas resists the impulse to reduce creativity to propaganda. From the failures of Christian film to what he provocatively calls “Godsploitation,” the conversation explores how much of what passes for “Christian art” trades honesty for certainty. The result? Stories are thin, forced, and disconnected from the texture of real life. 

Viewing art not as explanatio...

Justin sits down with his co-pastor (and relational strategist) Tony Pyle for a conversation that is deeply theological and disarmingly practical: what does it actually mean to be a neighbor in an age of distraction and relational drift? Rather than treating “neighbor” as a noun or static label, Tony reframes it as a verb—something lived out. Drawing from data, best practices, and the Parable of the Good Samaritan, the conversation presses into a simple but uncomfortable question: are we just living near people, or are we truly loving them?

Think less grand gestures, more faithf...

Justin chops it up with entrepreneur and technologist John Knox about faith, technology, and the rapidly changing digital frontier. From AI to blockchain to the emerging world of Web3, the discussion explores what it might mean for Christians to cultivate a faithful presence in spaces that shape how information is disseminated, how authority is distributed, and how influence flows.

Rather than treating new technology as either a savior or a threat, Knox invites listeners to think with careful and holy optimism about the moral and spiritual opportunities embedded in our tools. The conversation examines the promise and...

Dr. J talks with Rachel Smith for a biblically grounded, historically rich, and honest conversation about the Black Church, the Civil Rights Movement, and the long shadow cast over American life. This is not nostalgia or a highlight reel of famous speeches; it’s grappling with how faith formed communities, confronted injustice, and generated real social and economic opportunity.

Beginning with the Great Migration, the conversation traces how Black communities reshaped cities like Flint and how the Black Church emerged not merely as a spiritual refuge but as an organizing engine that cultivated leadership, promoted dignity, and cr...

Dr. J chats with Dr. Andrew Root for a searching conversation about secularism, belief, and what it means to live faithfully in what we often (too imprecisely) call a “secular age.” Rather than treating secularism as a settled idea or a simple threat to faith, the conversation probes its complexity—how it emerged, how it affects us, and how it quietly reshapes our understanding of meaning, identity, and hope.

Together, they explore how belief is not optional but unavoidable, even in a world that imagines it has moved past faith. Root introduces the idea of navigating belief throug...

In this episode of The Intersection, Dr. J is joined by Dr. Rob Joustra—political theorist, scholar, and thoughtful guide through the thicket of modern public life—for a wide-ranging conversation at the crossroads of Christian faith, tribal narratives, and political theology. It seeks to untangle cluttered half-truths, moral panic, and the temptation to reduce complex issues to simple talking points.

Rather than offering tidy answers, the conversation lingers on self-aware considerations that shape how we see the world—stories about power, justice, identity, and belonging. Together, Justin and Rob explore how cultural narratives both form and de...

In this episode of The Intersection, Dr. J is joined by Dr. Lee C. Camp—author of Scandalous Witness: A Little Political Manifesto for Christians, professor, speaker, and host of the No Small Endeavor podcast—for an honest conversation at the crossroads of Christian faith, nationalism, and public life—a crossroads often crowded with slogans, pride, and selective memory.

Rather than treating Christian nationalism as a new cultural outbreak, the conversation situates it as an old reflex with deep historical roots. Together, Justin and Lee explore the persistent tension between the gospel and the nation-state, probing how faith...

In this episode of The Intersection, Dr. J talks with Dr. Michael Shi, a Silicon Valley AI researcher, for a clear-eyed conversation at the crossroads of artificial intelligence, faith, and human responsibility—a crossroads typically crowded with hype, fear, and hot air. Rather than treating AI as either savior or saboteur, the conversation frames it as a powerful tool that inevitably reflects the values, intentions, and limits of its creators.

Drawing from technology, ethics, and theology, the episode traces AI’s evolution from rigid rules to data-driven models, addressing common anxieties around hallucinations, plagiarism, creativity, and educ...

In this episode of The Intersection, Dr. J sits down with Colleen Davenport for a thoughtful, clear-eyed conversation at the crossroads of Christianity, culture, and power—an intersection often cluttered with bad history, louder opinions, and the assumption that faith is most faithful when it’s in charge. Together, they bring historical depth and wisdom to a topic many Christians lean on confidently, but define poorly: dominionism. The talk explores how certain visions of cultural “victory” can quietly distort the gospel, especially when political influence begins to masquerade as spiritual faithfulness.

Drawing from Scripture, church history...

In this episode of The Intersection, Dr. J chats with microbiologist and educator Dr. Rachel Morris for a rich conversation at the crossroads of science and faith; two worlds people often pit against each other, usually because they’re too busy doomscrolling culture-war headlines. Rachel brings both expertise and empathy as the two explore how socialisation shapes our understanding of complex issues, why misinformation spreads with the speed of a sneeze in a crowded room, and how listening (real listening—not the “waiting to reply” version) can transform even the most strained relationships.

Drawing from her experien...

In this episode of The Intersection, Dr. J sits talks with Steve Sommerlot, one of the original planters of Riverview Church back in 1977 (and one of Dr. J’s personal Yodas), for a deep dive into identity, grace, and what it actually means to live from your position in Christ. Drawing from the roots of the Jesus Movement and the early days of Riv, Steve reflects on a cultural moment that impacted American Christianity and continues to influence how believers understand calling, community, and the Gospel today. Together, they dig into one of the most foundational (and most overlooked) th...

In this episode of The Intersection, Dr. J sits down with Alex Stoehr of Oregon Humanities for a thoughtful and creative exploration of what it means to live out faith in public life. Drawing from her work fostering community through conversation, Alex reflects on how art, poetry, and storytelling can become bridges of understanding in an increasingly divided culture.

Together, they unpack the unique cultural landscape of the Pacific Northwest—its contrasts with the Midwest, its ambivalence toward organized religion, and its surprising openness to authentic expressions of faith. The conversation moves through themes of...

In this episode of The Intersection, Dr. J sits interviews Paul Taylor, Director of Unify at TBC and Co-Founder of the Bay Area Center for Faith, Work & Tech, for a wide-ranging conversation on what it means to follow Jesus at the crossroads of faith, work, and technology in Silicon Valley and beyond. Together, they explore how the post-COVID landscape has created surprising openness to Christianity in the Bay Area, the need for church unity, and the challenges and opportunities of being a Christian in one of the most innovative and secular regions of the world.

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In this episode of The Intersection, Dr. J talks with Dr. Jared Huntsinger, lead pastor of Discovery Christian Community Church in Salt Lake City, Utah, for a candid conversation on the legacy of Christendom, the church’s posture in society, and evangelism in a post-Christian world. Together, they trace the movement from Christendom’s cultural dominance to today’s pluralistic landscape, unpacking how that shift reshapes the way Christians live and share their faith. 

From the mixed legacy of traditional evangelism methods to the need for humility, listening, and dialogue, the conversation wrestles with wh...

In this episode of The Intersection, Dr. J welcomes back sociologist Dr. Brad Vermurlen for an insightful and discerning conversation at the crossroads of faith, culture, and secular life. Together, they trace the historical and philosophical currents that shaped secularism, unpack its defining features, and confront the forces (re)shaping belief today—from the rise of doubt and indifference to the pull of hyper-individualism. They explore why meaning feels elusive in a society that keeps transcendence at arm’s length, and what it takes to find a concrete anchor in a pluralistic, hypermodern world.

Drawing on Brad...

In this episode, Dr. J sits down with Brad Kidder—pastor, comic, church planter, and deeply unserious person (in the best possible way)—to talk about something the church doesn’t always know what to do with: humor. Specifically, how it works, why it matters, and what it’s doing in public, our pews, pulpits, and, yes, even in our hearts.

Together, they explore how absurdity shows up not just in comedy clubs, but in Scripture itself—from talking donkeys to over-the-top parables to the strange, beautiful tension of a crucified the resurrected King. They...

In this episode, Dr. J talks with Dr. Michael Wittmer—pastor, professor of theology, and professional taker-of-fun-seriously—about the big question few Christians say out loud: Can I serve Jesus and still enjoy my life? (Spoiler: Yes. And you should.)

Pulling from his book Becoming Worldly Saints, Wittmer challenges the tired assumption that “holy” and “enjoyment” are mutually exclusive. Together, he and Justin dive into the tensions many believers feel between heaven and earth, calling and career, joy and guilt, grilled meat and spiritual disciplines. You know—the usual.

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In this episode, Dr. J sits talks with Christine Kite—counselor, trauma specialist, and thoughtful guide at the crossroads of faith and psychology—for a compassionate and eye-opening conversation on mental health and the church. With vulnerability and clarity, Christine unpacks the weight of trauma, the realities of PTSD, and the healing power of being seen, known, and supported.

Together, Christine and Justin explore the complicated relationship many Christians have with mental health—where stigma still lingers, silence can be spiritualized, and professional help is sometimes seen as a lack of faith. Through honest...

In this episode, Dr. J dialogues with Jahshua Smith—educator, leader, and hip hop sage—for a wide-ranging and layered conversation at the crossroads of Jesus and justice. With wisdom, candor, and insight, Jahshua helps unpack the historical and spiritual significance of Juneteenth, not just as a commemorative event, but as an invitation to deeper discipleship and authentic community.

From the power of education to the pain of church hurt, from hip hop pedagogy to healing, this episode explores how scripture speaks into oppression and calls the church to be more than a Sunday sanctuary. Thro...

In this episode of The Intersection, Dr. J chats with Adsum Try Ravenhill for a rich and down-to-earth conversation about the role of theology in the everyday life of faith. Together, they explore three major types of theology—biblical, systematic, and historical—and why understanding them matters not just for scholars, but for everyday believers seeking to grow in wisdom, worship, and wonder.

With clarity and insight (+ a few laughs), Adsum helps unpack how each theological lens contributes to our understanding of who God is and what that means for how we live. From the stor...

In this episode of The Intersection, Dr. J speaks with sociologist Dr. Brad Vermurlen for a wide-ranging conversation at the crossroads of faith, culture, and political life. Together, they unpack the historical roots and consider/contested features of evangelicalism, examine current trends within the church and society, and explore how sociological patterns shape—and are shaped by—religious identity.

Drawing on Brad’s research into various movements and American religiosity, the conversation moves from academic insight to practical reflection. Along the way, they tackle big questions around political morality, the evolving cultural landscape, and th...

In a culture where sexual addiction is normalized and the Church is often silent, how can communities become places of healing rather than hiding? In this episode, Justin chats with pastor and author Noah Filipiak to confront the reality of pornography—its widespread impact, its (spiritual) cost, and the hope of recovery rooted in Christ.

With honesty and pastoral insight, they explore how pornography distorts intimacy, fuels cycles of shame, and deceives both men and women—often starting from a tragically young age. They unpack how addiction alters the way we view relationships, why conv...

In an age where identity feels like a hyperbolic battleground, how can churches be places of belonging instead of barriers? In this episode, Justin and Young Yi talk through the tensions of unity and difference, exploring how faith communities can resist the pull of tribalism without compromising conviction.

From social identity theory to Scripture, they unpack how political affiliations and cultural camps often overshadow the gospel, how inadvertent echo chambers form, and why the authority of Christ is best expressed through grace, not dominance. With honesty and insight, Justin and Young offer a vision of...

Ever had an evangelism conversation go sideways—like, spectacularly sideways? You’re not alone. In this episode of The Intersection w/ Dr. J + Friends, Justin and Jordan Allen explore the fine art of sharing faith without making people wish they had an emergency escape plan.

Jordan unpacks the five spiritual thresholds—trust, openness, curiosity, etc—highlighting how understanding someone’s (spiritual) journey can make all the difference. They dig into the power of genuine relationships, the role of spiritual warfare, and the messy realities of faith deconstruction, all while swapping stories of evangelism gone cring...

What happens when factories replace farms and time clocks take over family life? Justin & Alex McGraw dive into the seismic shifts of the Industrial Revolution, unpacking how it redefined gender roles, community bonds, and even our understanding of work itself. Along the way, they highlight the often-overlooked contributions of women to social movements and the church, making a case for reclaiming these narratives. The conversation weaves through themes of dignity, shared humanity, and the vital roles of both children and the elderly in society—because wisdom isn’t just for the old, and purpose isn’t just for the young...

In part two of this discussion, Justin and Colleen Davenport consider the impact(s) and complexities of faith in a media-saturated world. Drawing parallels between modern media consumption and historical distractions like “bread and circus”, they explore how technology shapes discipleship, identity, and community. This episode invites listeners to examine their relationship with technology and consider practical ways to stay rooted in spiritual formation.
Bread & Circus: Panem et circenses 

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In part one of this discussion, Justin and Colleen Davenport consider the impact(s) and complexities of faith in a media-saturated world. Drawing parallels between modern media consumption and historical distractions like “bread and circus”, they explore how technology shapes discipleship, identity, and community. This episode invites listeners to examine their relationship with technology and consider practical ways to stay rooted in spiritual formation.

Bread & Circus: Panem et circenses 

Article: Australia’s Social Media Ban for Children Under 16

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In this second installment of The Intersection’s consideration of revival, Justin and Kyle McMahon dive into 20 key indicators, uncovering how God's transformative work reshapes individuals, families, and entire communities. From radical generosity and breaking down social barriers to the role of beauty in faith and youth embracing spiritual renewal, they explore how revival leaves no aspect of life untouched. Together, they reflect on how these markers ignite unity, integrity, and lasting impact for generations to come.

Distinctions of Evangelicalism: Bebbington’s Quardrilateral

Poem: The New Colossus by Emma Lazarus

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This episode of The Intersection w/ Dr. J + Friends finds Justin and Kyle McMahon exploring revival through its definitions, historical moments, and present-day importance. They reflect on its transformative impact on faith and culture, dismantle common misconceptions, and highlight the role of genuine worship in igniting spiritual growth. The discussion ultimately centers on when God moves… how revival –fueled by a deep hunger for righteousness and a true understanding of God– holds the power to bring renewal to individuals, communities, and beyond.

Book: The Knowledge of the Holy by AW Tozer

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In this second of a two-part installment, Justin and Hezekiah continue to explore the intersection of historical sin, cultural imprints, and building faith communities grounded in truth and love. They address the challenges of urban ministry, the impact of poverty, and ways national and church history continues to shape society. From addressing segregation (in churches) to finding practical solutions for diversity and cultural engagement, this conversation provides biblical insights and practical recommendations for fostering unity and transformation in congregations across cultures.

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In this two-part episode, Justin and Hezekiah explore the intersection of historical sin, cultural imprints, and building faith communities grounded in truth and love. They address the challenges of urban ministry, the impact of poverty, and ways national and church history continues to shape society. From addressing segregation (in churches) to finding practical solutions for diversity and cultural engagement, this conversation provides biblical insights and practical recommendations for fostering unity and transformation in congregations across cultures

LINKS: MLK’s Letter from Birmingham Jail  Map: Lansing Redlining  Image: Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs  Book: Right Color, Wrong Culture...

Justin and Jason take on the resistance to intellectual engagement in both society and the church, exploring how anti-intellectualism undermines the church’s mission and witness. From the American church's missteps to the broader cultural distrust of expertise, they consider why loving God with your whole mind is essential. Balancing a call for excellence with humility and grace, they offer an optimistic vision of how Christians can engage and influence the world as thoughtful, faithful people.

Article: The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind by Mark Noll  Book: Think: The Life of the Mind and the Love of God...