Unrelating with Kel & Michelle

40 Episodes

By: Kel & Michelle

Unrelating is an all new podcast that explores relationships, why we do what we do, and what causes people to "un-relate". Join Kelly & Michelle as they talk to real people about the relationship challenges they face and provide an expert to help them sort it all out.Unrelating is hosted by show producer Kelly Beck and relationship expert Michelle Schafer. Michelle is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist who has been providing individual and couple’s therapy for two decades. Michelle has her Bachelor’s degree in Biopsychology and Cognitive Science from the University of Michigan and a Master’s in Clini...

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The Emotional Vote

#59

Today at 7:00 AM

Just in time for the midterm U.S. elections, Kel and Michelle sit down for a thoughtful conversation with William Ballas, researcher and author of the new book "The Architect: Authoritarianism, the Political Mind, and Blueprint for a Better Democracy." They discuss what pollsters get wrong about voters, why voters use emotion and identity before consciously evaluating facts, how online platforms reward outrage and make misinformation harder to correct, and steps we can take as citizens to ensure our voices are heard.

William Ballas can be found at https://www.wsballas.com.

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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 58 Deep Dive: Learn to Listen to Your Partner's LUST Language

10/16/2026

In this deep dive for Episode 58 with intimacy expert Susan Bratton, Michelle reflects on a theme from the show about learning what your partner likes and how important that is to the health of your relationship.

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Learn To Speak Your Lust Language

#58

10/14/2026

Get ready for an eye-opening conversation when Kel & Michelle sit down with intimacy expert and author Susan Bratton as she introduces us to her FLESH framework for couples, how to openly talk about women’s orgasms, suggestions for couples who feel like their sex life is in a rut, and what true connection looks like.

Susan Bratton can be found at susanbratton.com.

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Ask Us Anything

#57

09/30/2026

Kel and Michelle answer your questions! First, we tackle how partners can stop keeping score with each other and avoid letting resentment build up. And we welcome back educational consultant and life coach Julia Evans to answer a listener question, what to do if your child rejects going to college.

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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 56 Deep Dive: Growing From Our Accountability

09/19/2026

In this deep dive, Michelle returns to one of her favorite themes to talk about how to Mind the Gap, like Kirsten discussed on the show.

Kirsten Davidson is the owner of Mind The Gaps Psychotherapy in Burlington, Ontario and can be found at @kirsten.davidson or https://mindthegaps.co/therapy-services/

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Growing From Our Discomfort

#56

09/16/2026

Kel and Michelle sit down with psychotherapist Kirsten Davidson to explore the reasons people may struggle connecting with others, what it means to do parts-work, ways to reframe the way we speak to ourselves, and why confronting your own discomfort and addressing your fears can be such a catalyst for personal growth.

Kirsten Davidson is the owner of Mind The Gaps Psychotherapy in Burlington, Ontario and can be found at @kirsten.davidson or https://mindthegaps.co/therapy-services/

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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 55 Deep Dive: How To Practice Scaling

09/04/2026

In this deep dive after Gary Ras's show, Michelle focuses the spotlight on scaling, one of her favorite interventions for understanding and managing your feelings.

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How To Practice EFT Tapping

#55

09/02/2026

Ever heard of tapping? Get ready for a thought-provoking conversation when Kel & Michelle sit down with Gary Ras, a healer specializing in energy healing techniques. Listen as Gary explains how Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) uses light tapping on your acupuncture points to settle the nervous system, process difficult emotions, and build new patterns of calm and resilience.

Gary Ras can be found at tapwithGary.com.

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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 54 Deep Dive: Reclaiming Your Own Life

08/21/2026

Based on our show with Machan Taylor, Michelle talks more in depth about abusive relationships and what healthy and safe relationships look like.

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How To Reclaim Your Own Voice

#54

08/19/2026

Kel and Michelle sit down for an intimate and open conversation with Machan Taylor. Having performed with some of the biggest bands in the world, Machan is a singer, songwriter, educator, and author of the memoir "Naked Out Loud." We discuss tracing her path from postwar Japan to New Jersey, finding her voice on some of the world’s biggest stages, wrestling with her identity, her struggles with marriage abuse and trauma, and how she was able to find herself and learn to heal.

Machan can be found at http://machantaylor.com/naked-out-loud

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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 53 Deep Dive: Transformation After Getting Well

08/07/2026

In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 53, Michelle touches on how David was able to use skills after he healed that enhance his life, and what we can do to manage our feelings rather than internalize events.

Transformation After Trauma

#53

08/05/2026

Kel and Michelle sit down with David Deane Haskell, author of the memoir "Wounded Angels", for a powerful conversation about losing his mother at a young age and the grief, sadness, and self-destructive behavior that followed. David also talks about what led him to start healing, the process of healing, and what skills he uses now to enjoy his life and relationships.

"Wounded Angels" can be found at Daviddeanehaskell.com.

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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 52 Deep Dive: Finding Your Communication Confidence

07/24/2026

On this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 52, Michelle expands on a theme from Julia's show about increasing confidence, focusing here on building skills to communicate hard conversations with loved ones.

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Finding Your Career Confidence

#52

07/22/2026

It might be summer, but school's in session! Kel and Michelle sit down with educational consultant and life coach Julia Evans to break down how professionals and students can overcome self-doubt, improve their communication skills, and develop confidence. With A.I. beginning to affect our lives and careers, how can we build resilience and stay strong during these challenging times. And what can you do if you're feeling stuck in your personal life or career path.

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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Deep Dive Episode 51: Toxic Paralysis-How We Make Sense Of Our Hardships

07/10/2026

In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 51, Michelle discusses a phrase from Stephen's show on how to conceptualize what happens to us.
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Toxic Relationships And Self-Sabotage: Why We Repeat Cycles

#51

07/08/2026

Kel & Michelle sit down with Dr. Stephen Paul Edwards, author of the book "The Venus Fly Trap: Sex, Lies and Repercussions." Based on his personal journey and life lessons, they discuss how chaos can be a catalyst for transformation and why we repeat cycles like toxic relationships and self-sabotage.
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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 50 Deep Dive: Breaking Free from Mad, Sad, Happy

06/26/2026

In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 50 with author Alicia Barr, Michelle busts out the feelings wheel to help you get to the heart of your true emotions.
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Breaking Free From Your Secrets

#50

06/24/2026

We all have secrets. But when is it finally time to tell yours? Kel and Michelle sit down for a thoughtful provoking conversation with Alicia Barr, author of “More Than A Secret” How A Mistress Broke Free From Her Affair". Alicia talks about her affair and the impact it had on her marriage and life, the psychological and physical impact of living in silence, and how to break free and heal from the guilt and shame of our secrets.
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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Deep Dive Episode 49: Running Towards The Finish Line

06/12/2026

In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 49 with Matt Fuchs, we are re-airing our deep dive with therapist Dan Duane. In it, Michelle explores what we can do to be intentional and reflective about our life and death.
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The Midlife Climax

#49

06/10/2026

Are you dreading middle age and getting older? Dread not! Kel and Michelle sit down with author and researcher Matt Fuchs for an insightful conversation about the classic stereotypes and definitions of midlife crisis, what can cause midlife stressors and ways to manage them, how people's identities may change throughout life, and why the midlife crisis has now become a midlife "climax" and a period of happiness and personal growth.
Find Matt Fuchs at Prime Factors https://fuchsm.substack.com/
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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 48 Deep Dive: Partners in Clarity - How to Balance True Expectations

05/29/2026

In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 48 featuring Maddison Violet, Michelle talks about how helpful it is to be accurate when voicing your expectations.
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Partners In Wine: How To Balance Marriage And A Winery

#48

05/27/2026

Have you ever dreamed of calling all the shots? Kel and Michelle sit down with Maddison Violet, owner of Ve Oh Lay Winery and Farm in Summerland, Canada, to discuss how she and her husband followed their dream and started a winery, the secret to staying connected and supporting each other, navigating difficult conversations as co-owners, and advice for couples who work together or are considering starting a business of their own.
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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 47 Deep Dive: Reimagining The Root Cause

05/15/2026

In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle featuring Mark Michaels, Michelle discusses how early relationships impact our attachment to others.
In his preprint BINARIES, MULTITUDES, AND BEYOND, available now at markamichaels.com, Mark focuses the lens on his own journey and uses narrative analysis and critique to explore how authority, expertise, and healing are currently defined.
https://markamichaels.com/

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Reimagining Therapy

#47

05/13/2026

Ready to reimagine how you’re approaching therapy? Kel and Michelle sit down with writer and conceptual artist Mark Michaels to discuss the problems with traditional therapy and why people may feel disillusioned, both the benefits and the limitations of alternative approaches like psychedelics and A.I. assisted therapy, and how growing up in the 1970’s New York punk scene influenced his work, life, and therapeutic journey.
In his preprint BINARIES, MULTITUDES, AND BEYOND, available now at markamichaels.com, Mark focuses the lens on his own journey and uses narrative analysis and critique to explore how authority, exper...

Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 46 Deep Dive: Are You Just a Teenage Dirtbag, Baby?

05/01/2026

On this week's deep dive of Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 46 with Meehika Barua, Michelle reflects on how young people are having to navigate the world these days.
Meehika Barua can be reached at @meehikabarua.
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Are You Just A Placeholder?

#46

04/29/2026

Kel and Michelle sit down for a candid and eye-opening conversation with writer Meehika Barua about placeholder partners, why people stay in relationships when their partners show no signs of commitment, when to set the proper dating boundaries and be more selective, and how you can recognize if you’re a placeholder partner or friend to someone else.
Meehika Barua can be reached at @meehikabarua.
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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 45 Deep Dive: Running Towards the Finish Line

04/17/2026

In this deep dive of the episode featuring therapist Dan Duane, Michelle explores what we can do to be intentional and reflective about our life and death.
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Running Into The Fire

#45

04/15/2026

Kel and Michelle sit down with new psychotherapist Dan Duane, who pivoted from a successful journalism career later in life, for a candid conversation on why men’s attitudes about the therapy profession are shifting, the desire to “run directly into the fire” to help others, and his advice for other men considering similar midlife career pivots.
Dan Duane can be found at https://danielduanetherapy.com/.
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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 45 Deep Dive: Could You Be My Neighbor?

04/03/2026

In this Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 45 Deep Dive, Michelle talks about what happens when you start to notice the world through the eyes of someone with different challenges and how we don't need to be afraid of acknowledging the benefits we have.
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Could You Be Neuro-Sensitive?

#45

04/01/2026

Could you be neuro-sensitive? Kel and Michelle sit down with counselor and educational strategist Judy Lipson to find out! We explore some of the traits and characteristics, techniques and tips for dealing with family and friends with neuro-sensitivities, and why having a neuro-sensitivity could actually be a superpower.
Judy Lipson can be found at https://www.spiralwisdom.com/.
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Accountability and Negativity Bias

#44

03/18/2026

Kel and Michelle discuss why accountability matters and how negativity bias affects our mental health.
We explore how not taking accountability impacts our relationships and the psychological reasons we don’t step up.
We also discuss negativity bias, the effects it has on our life, and learn some practical ways that we can minimize exposure and rewire our brain out of a negative loop.
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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 43 Deep Dive: Leaving Old Reactions Behind

03/06/2026

In this Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 43 deep dive, Michelle highlights two themes from Justine's show, exploring regret and being open to improvements.
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Leaving A Career Behind

#43

03/04/2026

Kel and Michelle sit down with Justine, a young professional who has pivoted between multiple diverse careers, to discuss lessons she’s learned, navigating workplace discontentment and dissatisfaction, how she is aligning her work with her values and goals, and how failure can be an important learning experience to help discover your true calling.
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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 42 Deep Dive: The Power Of Awareness

02/20/2026

Top recap Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 41 with Terry, Michelle delves deeper into having us try to understand our responses to adversity so we can enhance our resilience.
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The Power Of Resilience

#42

02/18/2026

Kel and Michelle sit down with cancer survivor and author Terry Healey for an inspiring conversation about adversity, recovery, and resilience. After a life-threatening cancer left him with a permanent facial difference, Terry talks about how he rebuilt his confidence, discovered the power of gratitude and positivity, and found greater purpose and joy in his life.
Terry Healey is the author of At Face Value and The Resilience Mindset. https://terryhealey.com/
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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 41 Deep Dive: Each Of Us VS The Manosphere

02/06/2026

To recap Unrelating with Kel & Michelle Episode 41, in this deep dive Michelle talks about why it can be hard to take action or accept responsibility in our lives and when we're up against societal challenges.
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Parents Vs. The Manosphere

#41

02/04/2026

Kel and Michelle sit down for a candid and eye-opening conversation with educator and online content creator Abby Eckel about the challenges of raising boys in today’s negative social media landscape, how the manosphere molds young minds, and the proactive roles that parents can play in raising their kids today.
Abby Eckel is available at Abbyeckel.com or @abbyeckel.
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Unrelating with Kel & Michelle Episode 40 Deep Dive: When To Cut Off Your Aches And Pains

01/23/2026

After the Unrelating with Kel & Michelle Episode 40, Michelle does a Deep Dive on a type of therapy mentioned on the show with Sharon that works on the mind-body connection, and how we are physically affected by our feelings and relationships.
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When To Cut Off Your Family

#40

01/21/2026

Kel and Michelle sit down with psychotherapist and writer Sharon Kwon to discuss why she decided to cut ties with her parents, navigating difficult parental expectations, how to set clear relationship boundaries, and the dangers of "therapy speak" in social media.
Sharon Kwon is the founder of Bodhi Aware Therapy and is available for online therapy at bodhiawaretherapy.com.
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Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 39 Deep Dive: Engaging In Your Marriage The Right Way

01/09/2026

After Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 39, Michelle takes a closer look at a core theme from the show with Dr. Whetstone: the need to maintain connection with your partner.
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