How To Founder
Founders are pioneers of economic prosperity. We equip them for the journey. Think you know the real story of entrepreneurship? Think again. "How to Founder" dives headfirst into the messy, often unspoken realities of building a business. We're not here for the typical success stories; we're challenging conventional wisdom, tackling tough topics, and giving you the unfiltered truth about what it actually takes to succeed. If you're ready to move beyond the status quo and are looking for a podcast that's as ambitious as you are, subscribe now. It's time to rewrite the rules and build your own
217 Operating Agreements and the Cofounder Who Walks Away
Two restaurant partners wrote an exit clause into their operating agreement. It let one of them sell his stake. It didn't release him from his personal guarantee on the mortgage.
Chris Franks, Anthony Franco, and Stephanie Hays dig into what an operating agreement is actually for: forcing the conversations co-founders avoid during the honeymoon phase. They cover what happens to the shares when a co-founder dies and the spouse wants a buyout, the partner who quit to become a yoga instructor and still owned a third of the company, and the difference between equity, salary, and distributions...
216 Your Team Didn't Decide, They Just Waited For You
A founder went dark for a month — no Slack, no email. The first thing he wrote down when he came back was that the company takes too long to make decisions.
Chris Franks and Anthony Franco take apart the advice to strategically disappear and find the flaw in it. Going offline changes when decisions happen. It doesn't change who's allowed to make them, so most founders come back to a queue instead of a company that ran itself. They dig into the failure mode nobody names — the founder whose business runs fine until he shows up and re-e...
215 Your To-Do List Is Full Of Decisions You're Dodging
A hundred and one of those three hundred open issues weren't work. They were waiting on one person to decide.
Chris Franks and Anthony Franco pull apart the founder to-do list and find something uncomfortable underneath it. Most of what never gets crossed off isn't work at all — it's decisions nobody made, and no amount of reorganizing will clear them. They dig into why a list that gets rearranged keeps getting longer, the three-day forward test that tells you whether a task is dead or dangerous, and the habit of scheduling work you hate on the last po...
214 Stop Grinding: Where Founder Time Actually Goes
You have eighty hours a week and four jobs pulling at it, and by Friday you still can't say whether you spent them right.
This episode pulls apart the real math of founder time. Not the tidy four-mode framework of build, organize, cultivate, and sell, but the harder question underneath it: how do you decide what to work on today, and how do you know if you chose well?
The hosts dig into two competing philosophies for prioritizing a founder's week, one filtered through risk and one filtered through proximity to revenue, and why both...
213 Dashboards Hide the Call You Won't Own
Dashboards do not make the call. They hide it. Founders drown in market reports and still have to decide whether to start, keep going, or kill the company.
Chris Franks, Stephanie Hays, and Anthony Franco dig into founder intuition versus data: why gut is usually homework you already did, why acting before you measure damages the team, and why product-market fit is audience size plus pain big enough to open a wallet — pain pills, not vitamins. They unpack modeling the future instead of hunting flattering research, the trap of overbuilding before you sell, zombie companies that never ma...
212 Your Org Chart Is Charging Interest
Every new box on the org chart is a loan against the speed of your company. Most founders take that loan without reading the rate. The interest shows up later as lag, translation loss, and meetings that exist only to keep the boxes talking.
Chris Franks and Anthony Franco dig into lean org structures that still scale in the age of AI: when flat is a coordination strategy and when hierarchy is just honest onboarding, why staffing behind growth beats hiring ahead of anxiety, and why the first manager hire is dangerous if it is really an...
210 Hard Work Hides Broken Systems
The longest weeks a founder works are evidence the plan is failing, not proof they are leading. Hard work feels like leadership. Often it is just a broken system wearing a heroic costume.
Chris Franks and Stephanie Hays dig into working harder versus recovering smarter: why more hours hide the break instead of fixing it, how burnout shows up as missing progress rather than missing sleep, and why sprint-and-collapse cycles become expensive company policy when nobody designs the rest. They unpack accountability charts that put the founder on every line, the myth that legendary founders are in...
209 Your Exhaustion Is Contagious (And Expensive)
Founders treat personal health like a side quest they will unlock after the next milestone. Meanwhile their short fuse, foggy judgment, and heroic overwork quietly become the company real operating system.
Chris Franks and Stephanie Hays put a hard cost on that myth. They break down how depleted founders tax hiring quality, product taste, and team psychological safety then turn rest later into a measurable operating risk. They dig into burnout as diminishing returns on the same hours, hustle culture that trickles from the founder down, stress that is really responsibility wearing a money costume, and why...
208 Fire Customers Before They Rot Your Team
What if your hardest client is the reason your best employees quit?
Chris Franks, Anthony Franco, and Stephanie Hays dig into the decision founders delay until the damage is already in Slack, Zoom, and the exit interviews. They unpack preemptive breakups with abusive accounts, clients chasing magic-bullet fantasies, moral and reputational red lines, and why "play in the big leagues" is not a license to abandon your people. They get into escalation before termination, swapping people off bad chemistry, and the hardest conversation of all: when keeping the logo means risking payroll—and whether yo...
207 Are You Scaling to Win or Just to Hide?
In 2011, a photo-sharing app raised 1 million before it launched, turned down a 00 million buyout from Google, and was dead within sixteen months. The money didn't save it. The money hid what was broken.
Chris Franks and Stephanie Hays pull apart one of the most misunderstood decisions a founder ever makes: when to scale, and whether you should at all. They dig into the difference between growth and scaling, why only one type of business genuinely has to scale, and how to tell whether you're holding a scale-up or a perfectly good company that more money would only...
206 Build Brand Before the Cult
A cult brand is not a costume. It is identity people can wear.
Chris Franks and Stephanie Hays dig into brand versus cult, and why founders who chase logos, merch, and mass awareness often skip the harder work: a sharp product promise and a community that sees itself in the company. They use Liquid Death, Red Bull, and even Scaled Agile to separate expensive lifestyle theater from the cheaper, sharper play of values, belonging, and evangelists.
The conversation gets practical fast. Brand is what customers say about you. Cult marketing is identity transfer. You find...
205 Build Luck Before You Need It
Luck is not a strategy, but waiting for it is worse.
Chris Franks, Anthony Franco, and Stephanie Hays dig into the uncomfortable founder problem hiding inside every success story: how much of this was skill, and how much was timing? They break down luck surface area, why more at-bats create better odds, and how founders can put themselves in more useful places without becoming scattered.
The conversation moves from customer conversations and market timing to confidence, humility, risk, and resilience. The practical point is simple: founders cannot control randomness, but they can control motion, awareness...
205 Build Luck Before You Need It
Luck is not a strategy, but waiting for it is worse.
Chris Franks, Anthony Franco, and Stephanie Hays dig into the uncomfortable founder problem hiding inside every success story: how much of this was skill, and how much was timing? They break down luck surface area, why more at-bats create better odds, and how founders can put themselves in more useful places without becoming scattered.
The conversation moves from customer conversations and market timing to confidence, humility, risk, and resilience. The practical point is simple: founders cannot control randomness, but they can control motion, awareness...
204 Kill Weak Ideas Before They Eat the Good Ones
What if the idea you love most is quietly draining the business you are trying to build?
Chris Franks, Anthony Franco, and Stephanie Hays dig into idea triage: the uncomfortable founder work of deciding which ideas deserve more oxygen and which ones need to stop consuming cash, time, and attention. They argue through focus, optionality, sunk cost, customer conversations, partner feedback, and the difference between real persistence and avoiding a harder decision.
The episode gets practical fast. A new business is a hypothesis, not a personality test. Before a founder builds the monument, they need...
203 When to Hire and Fire Your Marketing Agency
What if most of what your marketing agency does could be done in an afternoon with AI?
Chris Franks, Stephanie Hays, and Anthony Franco pull apart the agency model in 2026. They debate whether the founder should own strategy or rent it, why packaged services quietly produce mismatched leads, and how "bro marketing" hype cycles pull shaky founders into spending that goes nowhere. They get specific about what AI now does as well as a digital agency once did — social, basic websites, prospecting, scoring — and what only a human still does well, like building real relationships and shaping a br...
202 Your Real Competitor Isn't in Your Category
Your toughest competitor may not be another company. It may be a spreadsheet, a lawyer, an old internal tool, or the customer doing nothing.
In episode 202, Chris Franks, Anthony Franco, and Stephanie Hays break down competitive analysis without the usual founder panic. They cover why competitors can be useful sources of information, why obsessing over them turns mission into ego, and how to spot the alternatives actually stealing your deals. The conversation moves from Pulley competing with lawyers' spreadsheets to school districts using the wrong software because it was already installed, then into pricing, positioning, referral partnerships...
201 Why Your First Pitch Can Kill Your Patent Rights
The moment you start selling your invention, the clock to losing your patent rights starts ticking.
Anthony Franco, Chris Franks, and Stephanie Hayes break down intellectual property for early-stage founders — from why investors won't sign your NDA (and what that signals about you) to the difference between patents, trade secrets, and doing nothing at all. They cover when to file a provisional patent (before your first pitch), why patents are defensive tools rather than competitive weapons, and the uncomfortable truth about enforcement: a patent you can't afford to litigate isn't protection, it's theater.
The episode un...
200 The Musk Algorithm
What if most of your roadmap is work that should not exist at all?
Chris Franks, Anthony Franco, and Stephanie Hays take apart Elon Musk’s five-step algorithm — make the requirements less dumb, delete, simplify, accelerate, automate — and stress test it against the reality of running an early-stage company. They dig into the Tesla fire-pad story that nobody could trace to an owner, why most founders run the sequence in reverse, and what changes when you treat cycle time as a learning instrument instead of a productivity metric. The conversation gets sharper when the hosts disagree about whethe...
199 The Loneliness Tax: Managing Isolation at the Top
Starting a company that works might be the loneliest thing you ever do. Not because nobody’s around—because everybody is, and none of them can carry what you’re carrying.
In this episode, Anthony Franco, Chris Franks, and Stephanie Hayes dig into the structural loneliness of being a founder: why you can’t share the real weight with your team, why your family didn’t sign up for the same ride, and why connecting with non-founders often feels like talking across a language barrier. They also get honest about the mental health numbers—founders are nearly twice as lik...
198 Why Hiring a Sales Rep Too Soon Kills Deals with Joel Miller
What if hiring your first sales rep is the move that quietly kills your best deals?
Joel Miller has run The Sky Floor for seventeen years without a VC, retains clients for years, and refuses to hand his prospecting calls to a hire — and he can prove why. In this episode, Stephanie Hayes and Chris Franks dig into the authority a founder carries that a rep cannot replicate, the moment selling stops being a tax and becomes a translation layer, and the modern playbook where the seller's job is to coach a buyer, not pitch one. They un...
197 The Founder Tax: What Buyers Discount at Exit
What if the thing you're proudest of is the thing buyers pay you less for?
Founder-led businesses sell every day at multiples that quietly account for one number: how much of the company runs through you. Chris Franks and Stephanie Hays unpack the risk-adjustment math that decides exit valuations — why a $1.5M services business with $1.3M in expenses is worth less than an $800K one with $300K, why SDE and EBITDA reward opposite strategies, and why a buyer's first job in due diligence is to find every concentration risk and shrink your multiple for it.
Th...
196 The Real Reason Employees Lie with Anthony, Chris
The dishonesty you keep finding is usually the system you designed working perfectly.
Most founders treat employee dishonesty as a hiring problem or a character flaw. The founders who've watched this play out across multiple companies see something different — a system pattern wearing a person's face. Anthony and Chris break down the two flavors of dishonesty, why founders almost always confuse them, and what changes when you stop scrutinizing the people and start scrutinizing the conditions you built around them.
They cover the easy calls (theft, fraud, a faked status report on a publicly traded cl...
195 The Real First 100 Days Done Backward
What if the launch checklist you're following is the reason you haven't launched?
Stephanie Hayes and Chris Franks tear apart the conventional first-hundred-days playbook, the one that says incorporate first, brand second, sell third. They argue the order is exactly wrong. Forty-two percent of startups die from no market need, not bad legal structure, and every hour spent on logos and LLCs is an hour not spent finding out whether anyone will pay.
They walk through the pre-founding phase the experienced founders actually use - five to ten customer conversations a week, the "can I...
194 Why Founders Who Learn AI First Win with John Kaplar
The fastest path to AI adoption in your company isn't hiring an expert. It's becoming one yourself.
In this episode, we sit down with John Kaplar, who left an 18-year software career to teach founders and designers how to integrate AI into real workflows. John makes the case that founders who delegate AI before they understand it can't manage the work, evaluate the results, or build on what's possible.
We dig into why agentic AI is the wave founders can't afford to skip, how one founder built a full SaaS application in a weekend, and...
193 Why Your Impact Initiative Will Fail with Jim Tracy
Your company's impact initiative has better odds of becoming a press release than a legacy.
In this episode, we sit down with Jim Tracy, who spent thirty years building companies across manufacturing, telecom, agriculture, and real estate on four continents. Jim has a simple test for whether your company's impact is real: if it's in your sales deck, it's a marketing tactic, not a mission. If it lives in the process, it lasts.
We dig into why most impact programs die when the champion leaves, how a handwritten birthday card can outlast any CSR initiative...
192 Why Your Best Advisors Are Your Biggest Threat
What if the smartest people in your corner are the reason you're stuck?
Founders build advisory boards by collecting impressive resumes: former CEOs, industry veterans, people who've been exactly where they want to go. Six months later, they're making the same decisions they'd make alone, except now four people validate them first. That's not an advisory board. That's an echo chamber with better titles.
Chris Franks and Stephanie Hays tear apart the conventional playbook on personal boards of advisors. They dig into Paula Caprani's research on managerial derailment, the concept of the "loving critic," and...
191 Your Business Is Profitable and Broke with Abir Syed
Your profit report says things are great. Your bank account disagrees. What's actually happening?
In this episode, e-commerce CFO Abir Syed breaks down the profitability paradox that quietly kills growing businesses: why strong margins and a healthy P&L can coexist with a genuine cash crisis, and how founders who don't model their cash conversion cycle find themselves on a treadmill of expensive short-term debt they can never escape.
Abir, Anthony, and Chris dig into the three financial metrics that actually matter for most businesses, when pre-revenue startups can command higher valuations than revenue-generating ones...
190 User Experience with Anthony, Chris, and Steph
In this episode, we break down what user experience actually means — and it's not what most founders think. UX isn't your app's color scheme or button placement. It's the entire chain from first contact to renewal, and every gap in that chain is costing you customers you'll never get back.
Anthony Franco, founder of the world's first UX agency, joins Stephanie and Chris to unpack the most common UX mistakes founders make: building for themselves instead of their users, confusing pretty design with functional design, and optimizing for surface requests instead of root causes. You'll hear the st...
189 What No One Tells You About Selling Your Business with Veronica Zora Kirin
You signed the papers. The wire hit your account. So why does it feel like grief?
In this episode, we dig into the emotional reality of selling your business, the part nobody prepares you for. Veronica Zora Kirin, serial founder, two-time TEDx speaker, and anthropologist, breaks down why exits mirror the stages of grief even when they go exactly right. We cover how to read the slippage signal before you've stayed too long, what earn outs actually do to your identity and your team relationships, why most buyer conversations fall apart before they ever close, and how...
188 The Hidden Tax of Keeping Your Options Open with Anthony, Chris, Stephanie
Every option you keep open is silently billing you.
Most founders call it flexibility. Investors call it hedging. The founders who've been through it call it what it actually is: fear dressed up in strategic language. In this episode, Anthony, Chris, and Stephanie break down the optionality trap — why the instinct to keep doors open destroys more companies than bad products ever did.
They cover how to tell the difference between healthy flexibility and the kind of optionality that's really just launch avoidance. Why a founder chasing every new opportunity isn't being strategic, they're broadcasting th...
187 Your Worst Habit Sets Culture with Lisa Johnson
Your company already has a culture. You just didn't design it.
Every founder talks about building culture intentionally. But culture isn't built during the retreat or the values workshop - it accumulates in every decision you make under pressure, every behavior you let slide, and every pattern you carry into the office from your personal life. Lisa Johnson, co-founder of Been There Got Out, built her business through ten years in the legal system and over one hundred court appearances. Her insight on culture isn't theoretical.
This episode breaks down why "we're a family here"...
186 Why Your Growth Is Breaking Your Company with Chris & Stephanie
Your team tripled. Revenue doubled. And somehow, you're slower, messier, and more dependent on the founder than you were at ten people.
In this episode, Chris Franks and Stephanie Hays dig into the specific mechanisms that cause growth to break good companies. Not the obvious failures, but the invisible ones: the informal communication patterns that disappeared when you added headcount, the profile mismatches that make your best early hires wrong for the next phase, and the reason most founders are still running founder energy when their company desperately needs a CEO.
They cover when hiring...
185 From Employee to Entrepreneur with Randy Gage
The habits that made you a top performer at a big company can quietly wreck your startup.
In this episode, New York Times bestselling author and entrepreneur Randy Gage joins the conversation to dissect the mental software founders carry out of corporate life, and why it's so hard to uninstall. From surrounding yourself with sycophants to building overhead too fast, the traps are predictable. So are the fixes.
You'll hear why the most dangerous thing you bring from corporate isn't a bad habit but an identity, one built around...
184 Crushing Customer Service with Steve Anderson
Your support costs are hiding your biggest competitive advantage.
Most founders treat customer service as a cost to minimize. Jeff Bezos built Amazon by treating it as a failure signal. Every support contact meant something broke. Fix the contact, and you've got a satisfied customer. Fix the process that caused it, and you've got a competitive moat.
In this episode, Steve Anderson, author of The Bezos Letters, breaks down how Amazon turned customer obsession into operational infrastructure, and what founders at any stage can take from it. You'll learn why your service metrics are probably m...
183 What If Your Cloud Bill Is Lying About Your Usage? with Vidar Hokstad
What if the infrastructure protecting you from scale is the reason you can't afford to reach it?
Basecamp's founder publicly abandoned the cloud after calculating they'd spent $3.2 million annually on AWS. Their discovery? Actual usage didn't match what they were paying for. Today we sit down with Vidar Hokstad, founder of Hokstad Consulting, who's spent twenty-five years helping startups stop overengineering their infrastructure. Vidar reveals the uncomfortable math behind startup cloud spending: sixty to seventy percent is pure waste. We explore why engineering teams build for Google's traffic while sales teams are still making cold calls, and...
182 Why Zero Price Pushback Means You're Leaving Money Behind
What if the price you're charging is teaching your customers your product isn't worth that much?
Most founders treat pricing as a math problem: add up costs, slap on a margin, done. But pricing expert Dan Balcauski reveals why this approach leaves massive value on the table. In this episode, we explore why your price is actually a positioning decision that determines everything from your sales motion to your customer quality. Dan breaks down the four inputs every pricing exercise needs, why zero pushback on price means you're charging too little, and how the same bottle of...
181 When Perseverance Becomes the Problem with Ralph Brewer
You built something from nothing and somewhere along the way, you became "the person who does this." Your identity fused with your company, your role, your expertise. That merger felt like commitment. It was a trap.
The sunk cost dilemma runs deeper than money or time. It's about who you've become and the terrifying question of who you'd be without it. Founders hold onto failing strategies, dead partnerships, and outdated business models not because the data supports it, but because walking away means admitting the person they built themselves into no longer fits.
Ralph Brewer...
180 The Real Reason You Haven't Fired Them with Bill Kasko
You've known for months who needs to go. The documentation feels thin. The conversation you keep rehearsing never sounds right.
In this episode, staffing CEO Bill Kasko, who built Frontline Source Group to 31 locations over 25 years, breaks down why most termination problems are actually hiring problems. He shares the single interview question that reveals more about a candidate than nine rounds of interviews, explains why firing a top producer actually increased revenue, and outlines the specific conversations founders should be having long before the termination meeting. Hosts Chris Franks, Anthony Franco, and Stephanie Hays dig into the...
179 Why Your Team Keeps Dropping the Ball (It's Not Them) with Chaz Wolfe
You handed it off. They dropped it. But what if the problem wasn't their execution?
In this episode, Chaz Wolfe, founder of Gathering the Kings Masterminds, breaks down the difference between delegation and abdication. He's built and sold multiple seven-figure companies and interviewed over 400 entrepreneurs, and his take on why most founders fail at delegation hits different. The issue isn't finding reliable people. It's how we hand things off in the first place.
We dig into the identity trap that keeps founders stuck doing work someone else could own. We explore why transferring outcomes instead...
178 What Founders Actually Want When Hiring with Anthony, Chris, Stephanie
Why do the least qualified candidates keep getting hired at the best startups?
Wistia's founders learned their best hires weren't credentialed specialists. They were self-starters who had built something on their own without anyone asking. In this episode we break down what startup founders are really evaluating when they hire, and it's not what job boards train you for. We cover what you're actually signing up for when you join an early-stage company, how to position yourself so the founder sees you as someone who takes work off their plate instead of adding to it, and why...