Cyber Leaders
The Cyber Leaders podcast focusses on the fast-paced world of cybersecurity, delivering cutting-edge insights and trends with energy, enthusiasm, and professionalism. With high level expertise and thought leadership, we aim to provide invaluable perspectives and actionable strategies to empower leaders in navigating the ever-changing landscape of cybersecurity.
The Rise and Fall of Conti with Geoff White
In this episode, Ciaran and James are joined for a second time by investigative journalist and author Geoff White to discuss the extraordinary story of the Conti ransomware gang. Ahead of the latest BBC podcast series Cyber Hack, Geoff shares his expertise on Conti’s emergence as one of the original big game ransomware groups, the catastrophic attacks that brought them global attention, and the dramatic and acrimonious collapse that tore the gang apart.
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Defending with the Same AI That’s Coming for You with Chris Cochran
In this episode, Ciaran and James speak with Chris Cochran, Field CISO and Vice President of AI Security at SANS Institute, to discuss AI and cyber defense. Chris shares his perspective on the rise of AI-driven attacks, why community matters for security leaders under pressure, and what it will take to keep AI safe.
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She Convinced the Pentagon to Let Hackers In. Legally. With Katie Moussouris
In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Katie Moussouris, Founder of Luta Security and one of the pioneers of vulnerability research and bug bounties, to discuss how the industry has changed over time. Katie shares her expertise on vulnerability disclosure programmes, researcher protection and equity, and why she still bets on people in an AI-driven world.
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Still Getting Cloud Wrong. Here’s what to Fix. With Simon Vernon
In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Simon Vernon, Head of Research and Development at SANS Institute, to discuss cloud and AI security. As a practitioner in the field, Simon shares his experience building hands-on training, where cloud security still goes wrong, and how AI is changing attacker behaviour and creating new risks.
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The Weakest Link in a Global Life Sciences Company? People. With Dr. Kevin Jones
In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Dr. Kevin Jones, Group CISO of Bayer and honorary professor at Cardiff University, to discuss cybersecurity across critical industries.
Kevin shares his expertise on human behaviour in security, the growing impact of AI on both attacks and defences, and the challenges of protecting complex, real-world systems.
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Your CISO is Now Your Chief Trust Officer with Jitender Arora
In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Jitender Arora, Partner and CISO for Deloitte North and South Europe, to discuss the human side of cyber leadership and how the role is changing. As a veteran of the industry, Jitender shares his perspective on burnout and supporting cyber talent, how the CISO role is shifting towards trust, and how organisations can prepare for AI.
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Stories from an Expert Threat Hunter with Taz Wake
In this episode, Ciaran and James are joined by Taz Wake, Digital Forensics & Incident Response expert, to talk about the realities of defending organisations today. Drawing on his background in military intelligence and years on the front line, Taz shares insights on incident response, threat hunting, and the common myths the industry still gets wrong.
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How Zalando Deployed GenAI Without Handing Attackers the Keys with Florence Mottay
In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Florence Mottay, CISO of Zalando, to discuss the state of cybersecurity in business. Florence shares her expertise on bringing generative AI securely online, how traditional and AI-enabled threats are evolving, and how European organisations are navigating regulation, resilience and risk in a fast-changing landscape.
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Weathering the AI Vulnerability Storm with Gadi Evron, Rob Lee and Ed Skoudis
In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Gadi Evron, Rob Lee and Ed Skoudis to discuss Claude Mythos and the paper co-authored with SANS, the Cloud Security Alliance, [un]prompted and OWASP in response.
Gadi, Rob and Ed share their expertise on AI-driven vulnerability discovery, how cyber teams should respond, and what this shift means for the future of security work.
Gadi Evron is the founder and CEO of Knostic and CISO in residence for the Cloud Security Alliance. Rob Lee is Chief AI Officer and Chief of Research at SANS. Ed Skoudis...
Defending Critical Infrastructure in Hot War with Tim Conway
In this special episode of Cyber Leaders, Ciaran and James are joined once again by Tim Conway, Technical Director of Industrial Control Systems Security at SANS, to discuss the ongoing conflict in Iran. As three of the world’s most potent cyber actors clash militarily, Tim shares his expert insight on the cyber dimensions of the conflict, the real-world risks for cyber defenders, and how best to protect critical infrastructure in an increasingly volatile geopolitical landscape.
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How Secure by Design and Public Partnerships Drive Deterrence: A Conversation with Jen Easterly
In this episode, Ciaran and James are joined by cyber policy and practices leader Jen Easterly. Together they discuss the power of storytelling in cybersecurity, the evolution of cyber as a tool of state power, and why Secure by Design is critical to improving the security of the technologies we rely on
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Live Special: Securing the Connected World with Thomas Harvey
In this special live episode of Cyber Leaders, Ciaran sits down with Thomas Harvey, CISO at Santander UK. As one of the UK’s leading operational cybersecurity figures, Thomas discusses the growing need for cross-sector collaboration, why a more connected security community is essential to national cyber resilience, and how building trust can help create a safer and more fraud-resistant digital landscape.
Recorded at Merchant Taylors’ Hall, London on Wednesday the 22nd of October 2025.
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Who Really Controls the Internet—And Why it Matters with Emily Taylor and Roxana Radu
In this episode, Ciaran and James speak with Emily Taylor of Oxford Information Labs and Roxana Radu, Associate Professor of Digital Technologies and Public Policy at the Blavatnik School of Government, University of Oxford, about who really controls the internet. Emily and Roxana discuss how internet governance operates amid shifting geopolitics, dissect the foundational protocols (and problems) that underpin the web, and explore the often-obscure institutions that keep it running.
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Beyond Best Practice: How We Really Build a Safer Digital World with Curtis Dukes
In this episode, Ciaran and James are joined by Curtis Dukes, Executive Vice President of the Center for Internet Security, to discover what “best practice” really means in cybersecurity today. Curtis draws on his extensive experience as former Head of the Information Assurance Directorate at the NSA, and discusses his current work on safe harbor laws and global “secure by design” initiatives aimed at building a safer digital world.
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The Hidden Conflicts Inside Every Cyber Team with Dr. Nikki Robinson
In this episode, Ciaran and James speak with Dr. Nikki Robinson – author, professor, and Senior Technical Staff Member and Senior Manager for Platform Development at IBM – about vulnerability management and human factors in cybersecurity. Nikki shares insights from her research into vulnerability chaining and how organisations can strengthen their approach to managing technical risk, as well as the human dynamics that shape security behaviour across teams.
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Inside Digital Forensics: Hunting for Truth in the Dark with Heather Barnhart
In this episode, Ciaran and James speak with Heather Barnhart, Senior Director of Forensic Research at Cellebrite and Head of Faculty and DFIR Curriculum Lead at SANS, about the challenging world of digital forensics. Heather shares her experiences working on high-profile criminal cases, discusses the importance of thorough logging, and reflects on the real-world impact of cybersecurity on people’s lives.
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Quantum’s Leap: How Cyber Leaders Are Preparing for the Post-Encryption Era with Applied Quantum
In this episode, Ciaran and James are joined by Marin Ivezic and Dr. Kawin Boonyapredee of Applied Quantum to discuss one of the biggest strategic challenges in the future of cybersecurity: quantum computing.
Marin and Kawin share their insights on quantum and how it could reshape security; from the existential risk of Q-Day to the regulations driving quantum readiness.
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How Modern Threats Are Redefining the Rules of Defense with Paul Chichester
In this episode, Ciaran and James are joined by Paul Chichester CMG, MBE, Director of Operations at the UK’s National Cyber Security Centre, to explore how cyber threats have evolved over the decades. Drawing on more than 30 years experience at GCHQ, Paul reflects on the progression, from early digital espionage to major nation-state attacks and the rise of ransomware, and explains why collaboration and partnership remain essential to building a safer online world.
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Bonus Episode: The Human Edge of AI
In this episode, Ciaran and James are joined by SANS Chief of Research and Head of Faculty, Rob Lee, to tackle the one big issue on everyone’s mind, AI. Rob shares his expert insight on the rapid rise of AI, from mainstream adoption to cognitive impact, and examines the threats, opportunities, and where human judgment still matters.
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Series Two Round-Up
In this bonus episode, Ciaran and James look back on the memorable moments of Series 2, revisiting insightful interviews and compelling discussions. They explore recurring themes such as cyber conflict, critical infrastructure protection and the shifting threat landscape. It’s a chance to reflect and gear up for what’s ahead in Series 3.
To see links and learn more about the show, visit https://www.sans.org/cyber-leaders-podcast/
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Life, Limb, and Infrastructure with Tim Conway
In this episode, Ciaran and James are joined by Tim Conway, Technical Director of ICS and SCADA, to discuss the hidden systems that keep society running, from power plants to water grids. Tim sheds light on the unique challenges of securing industrial control systems, the dangers of complacency, and why the OT world is often overlooked until something goes terribly wrong.
To learn more about our guest Tim Conway and for links from the episode, visit https://www.sans.org/podcasts/cyber-leaders/
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Cyber Warfare, Disinformation, and Geopolitical Risks with Dr. Bilyana Lilly
In this bonus episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Dr. Bilyana Lilly, to discuss cyber disinformation, diplomacy and defense. Here Bilyana sheds light on how geopolitical risk affects technology, including cyber threats, information warfare, and the evolving global security landscape.
To learn more about our guest Dr. Bilyana Lilly and for links from the episode, visit https://www.sans.org/podcasts/cyber-leaders/
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Fighting Back with John Hubbard
In this episode, Ciaran and James are joined by Senior SANS instructor John Hubbard to discuss the ever-changing threat landscape and how SOC teams can stay ahead. John shares his expertise on spotting threats early, how to test your defences before the real attackers show up, and why he’s on a mission to simplify cybersecurity operations for the next generation of defenders.
To learn more about our guest John Hubbard and for links from the show, visit https://www.sans.org/podcasts/cyber-leaders/
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Translating Cyber Risk for a Chaotic World with Tarah Wheeler
In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Tarah Wheeler, scholar, campaigner and entrepreneur, to discuss risk, safety and security in an increasingly unstable digital world. Tarah shares her expertise on protecting the most vulnerable, navigating legal grey zones in cybersecurity research, and translating complex technical issues into action for policymakers and small businesses alike.
Find more information about our guest Tarah Wheeler and episode links at https://www.sans.org/podcasts/cyber-leaders/
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The Cyber Battlefield with Max Smeets
In this episode, Ciaran and James meet Max Smeets, Co Director of Virtual Routes and Senior Researcher at the Center for Strategic Studies at ETH Zurich, to discuss how digital threats are reshaping geopolitics. Max shares his expertise on the cyber dimensions of modern warfare, and the impact of ransomware attacks on global security.
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Securing the Supply Chain with Christine Gadsby
In this episode, Ciaran and James meet Christine Gadsby, Vice President and CISO at BlackBerry, to talk supply chain security; from exploding pagers to software liabilities. Christine reflects on how the industry is maturing around regulation, secure development, and vendor accountability as well as what happens when even hardware becomes a weapon.
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Inside Pacific Rim with Ross McKerchar
In this episode, Ciaran and James are joined by Ross McKerchar, CISO at Sophos, to discuss one of the most significant – and to some, controversial – counter cyber operations ever carried out by a private company. Ross shares insights from the frontlines of the Pacific Rim campaign, as well as the shifting dynamics of the cybersecurity industry and what active defence really looks like in practice.
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The Fifth Domain: NATO’s Cyber Frontline with Manfred Boudreaux-Dehmer
Kicking off series two, Ciaran and James sit down with none other than the CIO of NATO, Manfred Boudreaux-Dehmer, to discuss what collective defence means in the cyber domain. Manfred offers a rare inside look at managing security and information risk across NATO’s vast digital landscape and shares insights on emerging threats, evolving technologies, and how the Alliance is adapting to keep its members protected in an increasingly contested cyberspace.
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Insider Threat with Lisa Forte
In this episode, Lisa Forte, founder of Red Goat, joins Ciaran and James to discuss risk, security and the threat from within. Lisa offers her expertise on insider threat, crisis management, and high risk adventures.
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Insider threat; the breakdown
U.S. CERT definitions and mitigation
Defining Insider Threats | CISA | Insider Threat Mitigation GuideNPSA guidance and tools
Insider Risk | NPSA | Reducing Insider Risk | NPSAA pervasive problem
SANS – Decoding: “Insider Threat” Forget the outside hacker, the bigger threat is inside • The Register Surveillance won’t curb i...SANS Cyber Leaders Season 2 Trailer
We're Back for Season 2!
Catch up on episodes from Season 1: https://www.sans.org/podcasts/cyber-leaders/
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Series One Roundup
In this bonus episode, Ciaran and James ring in the new year with a look back at the standout guests and thought-provoking topics from series one. They also take a sneak peek at what 2025 holds for the ever-evolving world of tech security.
And to top it off, there’s a special announcement to chase away those January blues.
Highlights:
Typhoon Variants
Ciaran and James take a look at developing cyber threats from China, including:
FUD Special
In this special bonus episode, Ciaran and James tackle one of their favorite cybersecurity acronyms: FUD – Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Here our hosts break down what exactly FUD means for cybersecurity, why it matters, and the real-world risks it presents.
Highlights:
Notable Example of FUD
- The Killer Drones story; FUD in action and then retraction
- Highlights from the RAeS Future Combat Air & Space Capabilities Summit
- BBC article on viral report
Malware attacks
- WannaCry Guidance for Users | NHS Case Study on Wa...
The Booming Business of Cyber Crime with Geoff White
In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with investigative journalist and author, Geoff White, to explore the booming business of cyber crime. Geoff sheds light on this murky criminal underworld, its far-reaching consequences, and how cybersecurity has evolved in the public eye.
Highlights:
[1:30] Overview of Geoff’s notable work
[4:00] Cybersecurity in the Limelight
[10:15] Transformative Hacking Stories
[20:00] Global Cyber Criminals Overview
[30:00] Gripping Stories Covered by Geoff in his latest book, Rinsed
[45:00] National Crime Agency Efforts
Links:
Crime Dot Com - Cr...
Breaking Barriers with Helen Rabe
In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Helen Rabe, CISO for the BBC, to discover the challenges of breaking into the industry and her experiences leading security for one of the world’s largest broadcasters. Helen shares her expertise as a certified industry leader, discussing the rising tide of personal liability for CISOs and the intense media scrutiny that comes with managing incident responses in the public eye.
Highlights:
[8:30] The Evolution of Organizational Security Postures
[11:00] CISOs and Personal Liability
[18:00] The Challenges of Media Scru...
Bridging the gap with Frank Kim
In this episode, Ciaran and James welcome their first guest from the SANS Institute, Frank Kim, to share insights on bridging the gap between cybersecurity and business leadership. Frank unpacks why cybersecurity is often overlooked by business leaders and discusses effective strategies to elevate its importance in boardrooms and beyond.
Highlights:
[4:30] Cyber on the World Stage
[12:00] Dispelling FUD and Finding What Resonates
Links:
Crowdstrike Outages
Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD)
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Countering Ransomware with Jen Ellis
In this episode, Ciaran and James meet Jen Ellis, founder of NextJenSecurity, to discuss the pervasive threat of ransomware, the power of cyber security advocacy and importance of security best practices. Jen shares her expertise on humanising security and working with governments to build robust defenses against cyber attacks.
Highlights:
[3:00] Overview of Jen’s achievements and engagements
[8:30] Legislating Cyber Crime
[11:00] Notable Ransomware Attacks
[18:00] Ransomware Task Force
[21:00] Global Counter Ransomware Initiative
[23:30] Debating Ransomware Payments
[26:00] Current Concerns
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Leading Global Cybersecurity with Christine Bejerasco
In this episode, Ciaran and James are joined by Christine Bejerasco, the CISO of WithSecure, for an insightful conversation about navigating the complexities of cybersecurity in today’s global landscape. Christine shares her experiences; from the wild early days of network worms and mobile malware, to the evolving role of the modern CISO and what it takes to lead cybersecurity experts towards a safer digital world.
Highlights:
[3:00] After GDPR: the regulations defining how organisations do privacy and security
[8:30] Thoughts from a Former Forbes Councils Member
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Understanding the Geopolitical Landscape of Cyber Security with Shashank Joshi
In this episode, Ciaran and James are joined by Shashank Joshi, Defence Editor at The Economist, to discuss the geopolitics of cyber security. Shashank offers his expert analysis on critical cyber security events, strategies, and their global implications.
Highlights
[2:00] Entry into Cyber
[5:00] Iran-Israel Cyber Skirmishes
[8:00] The XZUtils Story
[11:00] Historical example highlighting the human side of technological advancement
[14:00] Cyber warfare and geopolitical tensions
[23:00] US-China cold tech war
[26:00] Domestic...
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Join us for an unfiltered journey into the minds of the leaders shaping the future of cybersecurity. In each episode, we embark on a curiosity-driven exploration to uncover hidden truths, share unlearned lessons, and offer critical insights to help you enhance your knowledge, sharpen your strategies, and lead the way in a rapidly evolving digital landscape.
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