Borderlands Trail (+ Ultra) Running
The Heart of Running. Home of the Bad Runners Take, Wolfie's World by Brian Peterson, and more. Part of the Borderlands Pod Network. ---- Hosted by Josh Rosenthal, founder of Borderlands Trail Running.
Jason Schlarb Takes on the World's Most Competitive Race Again
Josh and Wolfie interview Jason Schlarb, one of the all time greats still performing at a high level after 15 years. He runs for Norda and also manages their team.
He's preparing to run the most competitve race in the world, UTMB.
It's hard to find a photo of him not wearing the Norda 005s.
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Inside UTMB: Preparing Elite Runners for Race Day with Abel Recknold
Abel Recknold manages the Craft athlete team and is onsite taking care of the team and prepping them however he can to be ready for UTMB 2025.
We understand what happens after the gun goes off and runners start racing. Its intuitive to us. But what about prep? How do they get ready for race day? Abel explains.
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Inside Lotti Brinksā Journey to UTMBās CCC
Lotti Brinks crushed races like Gorge Waterfalls and Desert Rats. Now she gets ready for CCC at UTMB. We caught up with her at Hoka's Training Camp to talk about her prep for the world's most competitive 100k.
Mafate 5s out now.
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Allison Baca runs for Hoka (Mafate 5's out now) and will toe the line at CCC next week and the World Championships in late September.
Today she joins us from UTMB camp in Chamonix to talk about preparing for race day and juggling a million things to make it work.
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Hayden Hawks is one of the greatest American Ultratrail Runners of all time.
He is preparing to run UTMB 2025 and joined Josh and Wolfie to talk about it.
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OSMO Pocket 3 Shure MV7 Neewer MS60...Building Mental Strength for Ultrarunning Performance [Full Price Athlete]
Kade is looking for insight and tips on mental strength as he prepares for the Moab 240. He's joined by Ben Light, an ultrarunning legend, to talk and think through his preparation to run 5x further than he's ever run before.
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Hyperlyte Liquid Performance - 100g Carbs, 1000mg...2025 UTMB: Deepest Field of All Time? + Leadville 100 Recap
The 2025 UTMB field is DEEP at all the marquee distances. 2025 is a great year to be a trail running fan thanks to multpile course records falling. It seems like every course record either fell or was close to it.
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And Leadville! Leadville has been doing its own thing for years without care of concern for outsider criticism (and rightly so). But after two epic years in a row, its becoming 'can't-miss' again.
If you don't want leadville talk skip to ~29:00.
<...UTMB Addresses Our Travel Fee/Carbon Fee Concerns
Fabrice Perrin, UTMB's Chief of Sport and Sustainability, heard our Bad Runners Take, where we largely celebrated UTMB but also critiqued the new mandatory Travel Fee for 2026, initially applied to runners traveling to the Chamonix Main Event.
UTMB creates strong demand for their event, only to impose a variable fee that increases with travel distance, impacting runners coming from farther away.
Is it greenwashing? Fabrice responds.
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Explained: Big Mountain Running Nutrition for 50k to 250 Miles
How do you plan for big mountain races at high altitude with lots of climbing. It's UTMB + Leadville season so we're looking at those races and thinking through how best to approach them.
Jesse advises on nutrition for everything from 50k to 200+ milers in this episode.
Jesse Rich of Nutrition Rundown is a coach and nutritionist based in Salt Lake City. He also races ultras with a 1st place win at Wasatch 100, 2nd at Bear 100, and fresh off 11th at a CRAZY competitive Speedgoat.
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Hyperlyte Liquid Performance - 100g Carbs, 1000mg Sodium, Miles of DirtTraining, Challenges, Setbacks: Countdown to Moab 240 [Full Price Athlete]
Kade Wilcox is the host of Full Price Athlete. He's 10 weeks away from running Moab 240. The final gauntlet is a huge training block difficult even for those who run full time. Kade is a business owner, committed husband and father, volunteer, and more.
Listen to what Kade is planning to do the final 10 weeks before Moab 240.
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UTMB: Great But Facing Critical Challenges | Bad Runners Take
Josh + Brian welcome Sam Lohse to bring a new perspective to today's Bad Runners Take.
In this episode we answer two questions and take issue.
What should America ultra trail races adopt from UTMB?What shoudl UTMB adopt from America?What do we think of UTMB's new climate fees introduced in 2026?We also get a call on the Hyperlyte Hotline about running and shaving body hair.
00:00 Introduction to Bad Runners Take02:34 UTMB vs. American Ultra Running: A Comparative Discussion07:40 The Dirtbag Culture in Ultra Running15:23 What UTMB Can Learn from American Races22:19 Environmental...Borderlands Explained | a Brave New Running World
This episode is for listeners who care about Borderlands. In this one, Josh takes a quick look at the past and present of Borderlands to lay a foundation for the future.
The future of trail running is bright and because of that Borderlands has potential to have a bright future.
00:00 - Episode explained, Family Welcome03:47 - the Origin of Borderlands (first two years)13:38 - the Present State of Borderlands20:58 - the Future of Borderlands Explained26:08 - Podcast Growth by How Much?!29:12 - Podcast Future Explained35:52 - Future of Instagram, Newsletter, Web39:39 - Absurd Race + Trade Show...Transformed by Running [Wolfie's World]
In this episode of Wolfie's World, the host Brian shares the inspiring story of Nolan, a young man who transformed his life through running after experiencing personal tragedy.
The episode emphasizes the power of community, the journey of self-discovery, and the significance of honoring friendships through meaningful actions.
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The Pacer Debate: Should We Allow Pacers at 100 Milers?
Today's episode is produced by you, the listeners, and hosted by Josh + Brian. In this episode we take calls and read comments responding to what you care about.
Everyone is welcome to chime in here. We will never humiliate anyone. If you bring good faith takes to us, we will return with good faith answers.
Jim Walmsley calls out pacersAre Western States + Hardrock hiding behind virtue?Here for the Women's Race shirt follow up Calling out class clown behaviorWas it actually a proxy issue?The best running documentariesPut the camera in the runner's face(!)...
Ultrarunners Pay Full Price, Nothing's Free [Full Price Runner]
Ultrarunners pay full price for everything from gear to race entry fees to travel. But also, we pay the price with our family time and work time. We pay the price of perfection in our personal lives to make room for ultrarunning.
Kade Wilcox is joining the podcast creator family that will soon be a formal podcast network. He is preparing for Moab 240 and he's going to bring us along in the journey over the next couple of months.
In this episode, get to know Kade as a fellow Full Price Athlete.
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The Hardrock 100: A Run not a Race? It's a Race. And a Run. [Bad Runners Take]
In this episode, Josh and Brian dive deep into the Hard Rock ultramarathon, discussing their experiences, reflections on the race, and the community surrounding it.
Josh reflects on his evolving understanding of Hard Rock.The Hardrock race is seen as more of a celebration than a competition.Katie's course recordThe Here for the Women's Race shirt incident sparks a conversation about intentions and perceptions.Outrider Running League is gaining traction with signups.Listener engagement through the Hyperlite hotline is encouraged.Nike's investment in trail running could change the landscape of the sport.The willingness to adapt and change...What's Special About Hardrock 100? Hyperlyte Hotline, Outrider Running League, Dan Green/Max Jolliffe/Wolfie Run [Bad Runners Take]
Hardrock 100 comes quickly after Western States perhaps hiding in a shadow it prefers. More than any other ultramarathon, Hardrock is about the runner. Other notable races have to navigate a lot of pomp and circumstance, but this one focuses on getting 145 runner around the loop to kiss the rock.
So what's so special about the Hardrock 100? Find out.
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Paris Fashion Week + Run Culture - what's the connection? + PFW Recap
Paris Fashion Week is a celebration of running and style. Innovative running brands show up from all over the world to showoff upcoming styles, run together, dine together, and generally engage the aggressively growing running indsutry.
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We went to see a lot of brands. Here's the skinny on each one:
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Post Game Show: Western States 100 - What Will We Remember About 2025 10 Years from Now?
What will we remember about Western States 2025 5 years from now?
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Who is Going to Win? Pre Western States Race Coverage: Bad Runners Take
Josh Rosenthal and Wolfie dive deep into the upcoming Western States 100.
They discuss the dynamics between established elite runners ('Made Men') and emerging talents ('Associates'), the impact of age on performance, and the significance of prize money in the sport.
The conversation also highlights the competitive landscape of the women's race and the potential for community engagement to shape the future of ultra running.
With insights on key runners like Killian Jornet, Hans, and Dan Green, this episode is a must-listen for ultra running enthusiasts.
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Matt Daniels: 10 Minutes with The Nolan Ryan of Trail Running | Pre Western States Commentary
Matt Daniels needs no introduction in the trail world. He's a speedy elite runner with a great career. He's not running Western States 100 but he knows what its like and can bring us insight that few others could.
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Jeff Browning: 10 Minutes with the Great Bronco Billy | Pre Western States 2025
Jeff Browning is a legend in ultrarunning even if he stopped running today. At the age of 53, he has an incredible resume of performance and influence in the sport ultra trail running.
But he isn't slowing down or stopping. He's running WSER 2025 planing to compete with the young guys with an eye on the over 50 years old age group record for WSER.
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Ryan Montgomery: 10 Minutes with a Legend in the Making | Pre Western States 2025
Ryan Montgomery is an endurance athlete of layers - a high performer in every facet of life.
Yes, many know him from his triumphant entry into the WSER arena with a 7th place finish in 2023. But Ryan has run races like Badwater, Desert Solstice, + Tahoe 200. Ryan is an endurance runner's endurance runner.
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Paris Fashion Week is for Runners
Sam Lohse joins Josh to talk about Paris Fashion Week and why its important for runners world wide. We understand that the problem here is squarely that this movement is happening at Paris Fashion Week.
We understand that hesitiation with accepting this movement if you're not in it, but hear us out. The only thing more beautiful than the aesthetic is a lot of the people participating in it.
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Chris Severson: 10 Minutes with a non-elite running Western States | pre Western States
Chris Severson is an ER doc, husband, father of many and running Western States 2025.
In this interview we talk about how someone spinning all the plates prepares and thinks about Western States.
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Emily Hawgood: Ten Minutes with Zimbabwe's Finest Ultrarunner | Pre Western States 100
Emily Hawgood has been dominating the world's hardest ultramarathons in recent years. She joins a stacked 2025 women's field and joins Josh and Brian for a 10 minute prerace interview.
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Hans Troyer: 10 Minutes with the Kid himself | Pre Western States 100
It's a big season for the Hans Troyer - a Golden Ticket giving him an entry to WSER and a world class doc called 'The Kid' by Hyperlyte Liquid Performance.
10 Minutes with Hans before the great 2025 WSER.
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Dan Green: 10 Minutes with the Silver Bullet | Pre Western States 100
Dan Green is the Silver Bullet and we sat down with him for 10 minutes to talk nicknames, marshal, pivoting from Black Canyons to Cocodona 250, and more in the lead up into the 2025 running of the Western States 100.
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Hans Troyer/The Kid, WSER Hype, Pure Running at Paris Fashion Week [Bad Runners Take]
Josh Rosenthal and Wolfie discuss the upcoming Western States race, featuring elite athlete interviews, insights into the competition, and a unique connection to Paris Fashion Week.
They explore the human interest aspects of running, the significance of community engagement through the Hyperlite Hotline, and the impact of documentaries like Hans Troyer's on the running culture.
The conversation emphasizes the importance of running beyond just events, celebrating the joy and expression of running itself. The running movement of Paris Fashion Week ironically celebrates this better than any other.
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Feed Your Running Dream [Wolfie's World]
Brian discusses the importance of balancing life and running, the new partnership with HyperLyte, and the upcoming athlete interviews for the Western States race.
He emphasizes the significance of feeding the dream and normalizing routines to achieve success in ultra running.
Brian also shares insights on creating a focused environment for training and the need to balance dreams with daily routines.
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Is Norda 001 the Air Max 1 of running? + Mallrats [Inky Steve]
Manchester's favorite running child, Inky Steve, joins Josh again to was poetic on the intersection of Trail Culture x Sneaker Culture. We also pick a movie to characterize the intersection of the day.
Air Max 1s are iconic and we believe Norda 001s have the same potential to be unchanged for decades to come.
Did Nike know they had a winner from day one? Did Norda?
Time will tell, but there are signs we look for to prove the 001 is already a cult classic along with Air Max 1 + Mallrats.
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Lydia Oldham | 650km Projecto Portugal, Solo TSP, and How to Savor Big Accomplishments
Lydia Oldham ran across Portugal (5 days, 17 hours) and did a solo TSP from Las Angeles to Las Vegas. Runners like Lydia almost make it look easy so long as you don't pause and contemplate the wild complexity of planning and near-impossible reality of actually executing it physically.
Josh is starting to get the bug.
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From 50 Miles to Moab 240 with Kade Wilcox
Kade Wilcox perfectly represents the original audience of Borderlands.
Even the name Borderlands means the land between two places - your daily life and your amobitious ultrarunning goals.
Kade is spinning a ton of plates, paying full price for gear and jumping from his furthest run of 50 miles to 240 miles.
Kade Wilcox is transitioning from 50 miles to Moab 240.Balancing family, work, and training is crucial for ultra runners.Mental toughness is as important as physical training.Visualizing success can enhance performance.Mental reps during training are essential for preparation.(Wylder is now...
Made Men vs the Associates, Haves vs Have Nots, Established vs Disruptors, WSER 2025 Narratives [Wolfie's World]
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Wolfie lays out the story lines for WSER 2025.
the Made men vs. the Associates. Made men are official, initiated Mafia members with full status, while associates work with the Mafia but lack initiation and privileges.
He's looking at the runners who are made vs. the ones trying to make it.
Kilian Jornet vs. Hans Troyer
Dan Jones vs. Seth Ruhling
Rod Farvard vs. Vincent Bouillard
Adam Peterman vs. Caleb Olson
David Roche vs. David Roche
<...Will Western States Records Fall in 2025? [States Debates]
The male and female course records at Western States are stout.
Will the current course records held by Jim Walmsley (14:09 in 2019) and Courtney Dauwalter (15:29 in 2023) respectively fall during the 2025 running of WSER?
As a fan, we just want a great race regardless of times, but both fields are poised to attack the CRs.
If only one CR falls, whose is most likely to go? Courtney's or Jim's?
Joe Corcione of Everyday Ultra debates Brian Peterson on today's episode.
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[Bad Runners Take] Max Jolliffe/Trail Earnhardt, BPN's Backyard, a Dirtbag Race, WSER Hype
In this episode of the Bad Runners Take on the Borderlands Trail and Ultra Running Podcast, Josh + Brian discuss various topics including the evolution of Max Jolliffe's new nickname, reflections on recent dirtbag races, + more.
Max's new nickname: Trail EarnhardtExperiencing a race IRL reignites Josh's passion for the sport.Written training logs enhance reflection and mental clarity.Borderlands' WSER coverage will supplement not replaceHighlighting the sub-24 hour challenge is crucial for engaging fans.BPN's event showcased exceptional hospitality and engagement.Celebrating achievements in running should be prioritized over controversies.(Wylder is now available on iOS + Android.)<...
[Wolfie's World] Present Challenges Create Your Future Self
In this episode of Wolfie's World, Brian discusses the recent controversies in the trail running community, emphasizing the importance of focusing on the collective strength of the 95.
He explores how to endure pain and suffering during ultra races, highlighting the significance of mental resilience and the concept of the future self.
Brian shares insights on training strategies that build mental toughness and encourages listeners to embrace challenges as part of their journey in ultra running.
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What do Will Goodge, Jim Walmsley, David Roche, Eli Hemming, + Hans Troyer Have in Common? The Naked Running Band.
The Naked Running Band has been a staple on a majority of podiums going on almost 10 years. Why do so many elite athletes wear the Naked Running Band? What so great about it?
Lindsay Dakota of Naked Sports Innovations joins Josh.
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Speedland, Vans, + High Fidelity: Trail Running Shoes x Sneaker Culture
Manchester's own Inky Steve joins Josh to talk about the intersection of trail running shoes and sneaker culture.
It's best couched in a quote from High Fidelity - "What really matters is what you like, not what you are like."
We wear the shoes that we like and most often we choose based on looks. We run in them, we like how they look and thus like how we look. And we run better, whatever that means.
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