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What the UFO? We're processing the emerging scientific revolution around this fascinating subject. We talk about what the UFO/UAP phenomenon might be, explore historical sightings, track new developments, and generally feel our way through this wild, exciting territory. If you're a researcher, experiencer or ufologist and you'd like to share your story or get the word out about your work, please find us on X @WTUFOshow. If you're enjoying our show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please support us at patreon.com/WTUFO
S5E8: Matt Laslo
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S5E7: Dr. Massimo Teodorani ~ Astrophysicist, Author, Musician
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Dr. Teodorani's website: https://massimoteodorani.wordpress.com/
Jenny Randles book: https://www.amazon.com/Ufo-Retrievals-Recovery-Alien-Spacecraft/dp/0713724935
Ehrling Strand: https://www.erling-strand.no/english/
Dr. Teodorani's Books: https://massimoteodorani.wordpress.com/category/books/
Penrose consciousness article: https://philpapers.org/rec...
S5E6: David Gladstone ~ Author, Experiencer
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David is a lifelong experiencer with some wild personal encounters. We take an uncritical trip through his stories and get his views on the cosmic situation.
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S5E5: Chad Wanless ~ UAP Video Analysis
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This episode is primarily visual, so you may enjoy watching on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Dm7qAi2aLb8
Chad and Caleb walk through a video analysis for the first fifteen minutes, then Chad expands his presentation on potential evidence of warp propulsion in UAP videos for the rest of the show.
Is this video real? We obviously don't know. It does seem too good to be true, but it has a few details that make it seem potentially real. Neither of us is an expert in special effects, so we...
S5E4: Lacey Jay Forbes ~ Experiencer, Author, Vlogger, Spiritual Researcher
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Lacey is an author, vlogger and spiritual researcher. We discuss her investigations into spiritual realities, her UFO sighting, and her experience of encountering an unidentified being.
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S5E3: Deborah Ward ~ Research Librarian
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Deborah holds two master's degrees and built a career directing the administration of health science libraries and other specialized collections. She comes to the UAP topic as a curious learner with a passion for organizing information.
In this episode, Deborah and Caleb lay out their rundown of introductory resources for people learning about UAP, from books to podcasts to supporting documents of various kinds.
They've started gathering some of these documents in the UAP Resources page of wtufo.com here: https://wtufo.com/category/uap-resources/
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S5E2: Dr. Jörg Matthias Determann ~ Author of Islam, Science Fiction and Extraterrestrial Life
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Dr. Determann is the author of Islam, Science Fiction and Extraterrestrial Life: The Culture of Astrobiology in the Muslim World and a professor of history at Virginia Commonwealth University in Qatar. He joins WTUFO to explore intersections between the UAP phenomenon and Islamic thought.
Islam, Science Fiction and Extraterrestrial Life: The Culture of Astrobiology in the Muslim World: https://www.amazon.com/Islam-Science-Fiction-Extraterrestrial-Life/dp/0755650360
Islamic Theology and Extraterrestrial Life: New Frontiers in Science and Religion: https://www.amazon.com/Islam-Science-Fiction-Extraterrestrial-Life/dp/0755601270
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S5E1: Michael Kelly - Experiencer Researcher
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Michael Kelly uses the skills from his philosophy degree and graduate-level teaching assistant work to research reports of encounters with nonhuman beings. He is a research fellow at the Archives of the Impossible, though he appears here entirely in a personal capacity.
We discuss the striking data that emerges from experiencer reports, from the kinds of beings people report meeting to the types of encounters they describe. Michael shares data graphics in the YouTube version of this episode, which you can find here https://youtu.be/WXpbtZJBTVQ
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S4E13: Dr. Janis Whitlock ~ Developmental Psychologist, Research Scientist Emerita, Visible College Leadership, John Mack Institute Adviser
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Dr. Janis Whitlock is a developmental psychologist and research scientist emerita from Cornell University, renowned for her work in adolescent mental health and self-injury recovery. In recent years, she has expanded her scholarly pursuits into the realm of UAP studies. As a member of the leadership team of The Visible College, a volunteer collective of scholars dedicated to serious UAP research, Dr. Whitlock explores the intersections of human consciousness, trauma, and anomalous phenomena. Her interdisciplinary approach integrates scientific inquiry with spiritual and psychological perspectives, aiming to deepen our understanding of human potential and t...
S4E12: Chad Wanless and Dave Palachik ~ UAP Researchers, Authors and Field Study Engineers
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Chad Wanless is an Engineering Technologist with over 30 years of experience in mechanical design, specializing in optics and lighting technologies. Professor Dave Palachik is a Senior Electrical & Electronic Engineering Technologist, National Director Emeritus of MUFON Canada, and an expert in infrared and electronic security systems.
We discuss their book "Hidden in Plain Sight: Evidence of Exotic UFO Propulsion," which proposes that UAP create visible gravitational lensing around themselves. This theory provides a promising avenue for future research, and implies that these craft may use some form of spacetime warping drive.
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S4E11: Ralph Blumenthal ~ Investigative Journalist, Author, Professor
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Ralph is a distinguished professor, journalist and author with a long and varied career. He's contributed especially significantly to the UFO conversation in recent years with his bombshell reporting and his deep, detailed biography of John Mack, the Harvard psychiatrist who investigated abduction experiences.
We discuss the experiencer phenomenon, the stubborn mysteries at the heart of UAP research, and how other journalists and news editors can better approach this subject with intellectual rigor.
Ralph's Faculty Page: https://www.baruch.cuny.edu/profiles/faculty/Ralph-Blumenthal
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S4E10: Dr. Jacob Haqq Misra ~ Director and Senior Research Investigator, Blue Marble Space Institute of Science
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Dr. Misra is an astrobiologist interested in understanding the origin, distribution, and future of life. His research includes the study of planetary habitability, extraterrestrial life, environmental ethics, and space settlement.
Jacob contributes to monthly meetings with the Galileo Project, and he supports public funding for UAP research. We discuss the search for exobiology, the state of SETI and METI, and the emerging field of UAP science.
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S4E9: Dr. Michael Bohlander ~ Chair in Global Law and SETI Policy, Durham University
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Dr. Bohlander is an international criminal lawyer. We discuss his book, Contact with Extraterrestrial Intelligence and Human Law.
Dr. Bohlander's Staff Page:
https://www.durham.ac.uk/staff/michael-bohlander/
Contact with ETI and Human Law:
https://brill.com/display/title/68174
UAP and SETI Symposium:
https://www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/law/news-and-events/events/2025/04/grounding-the-seti-and-uap-debate-law-evidence-and-anticipated-futures/
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S4E8: Preston Dyches ~ Science Communicator
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Preston speaks with us entirely in a personal capacity, not representing his organization.
Preston has built an impressive and varied career as a science communicator, including holding as a Senior Public Engagement Specialist & Story Strategist for NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab, where he helps communicate scientific discoveries from the cutting edge of astronomy.
We discuss the solar system, the art of science narrative, and how to think clearly about UAP. We had a fun, thoughtful conversation. Hope you enjoy!
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S4E7: Leslie Kean ~ Independent Investigative Journalist
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Leslie Kean has done more than almost anyone else to advance the contemporary UFO conversation. Her 2017 New York Times article changed the landscape overnight by introducing the world to the Navy UFO videos, Lue Elizondo, and AATIP. In 2019, she reported on pilot sightings by Ryan Graves and others in another widely read Times article. In 2023, she broke the story of David Grusch's whistleblower report in a famous piece for The Debrief.
Leslie wrote her first UFO story in 2000 for the Boston Globe, and in 2011, she published her book "UFOs: Generals, Pilots, a...
S4E6: Dr. Michael Zimmerman ~ Author, Philosophy Professor, Experiencer Researcher
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Dr. Zimmerman has led a long, fruitful career in philosophy and academia, pioneering work on environmental and technological subjects. He also collaborated with John Mack on research into abduction experiences and served on the board of Mack's nonprofit to advance that project.
We discuss Michael's view of the experiencer phenomenon, his work with Mack, the potential qualities of NHI, and broader topics in consciousness, philosophy, and the nature of reality.
Dr. Zimmerman's Papers:
Encountering Alien Otherness
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The "Alien...
S4E5: Dr. Jack Sarfatti ~ Theoretical Physicist
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Dr. Jack Sarfatti is a sparkling, adventurous thinker, and he's been applying his technical acumen to UFOs in various ways for an astounding 70 years.
Jack says he was charged by the CIA in 1974 with investigating consciousness and UFOs, and in the years since then he believes he has successfully developed physics explanations for both.
We discuss Dr. Sarfatti's career, his ideas about the physics of UFOs, his intersections with intelligence officers and other serious researchers, and the intriguing childhood event that helped set him on the path of investigating th...
S4E4: Alejandro Rojas ~ UAP Discovery CEO, Enigma Labs Consultant, SCU Founding Member
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Alejandro is president and CEO of the non-profit UAP Discovery and a consultant for Enigma Labs, which has developed a UAP reporting app and alert network. He also runs the UAP news website OpenMinds.tv. Alejandro is a founding member of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU) and a former board member. He is also the former functioning director of education and spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON). He has spent over 20 years researching and writing about UFOs and over ten years as a full-time employee doing this work. Alejandro's articles...
S4E3: Dr. Kimberly Engels ~ Philosophy Professor, John Mack Institute Director of Research and Development
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Dr. Engels teaches philosophy at Molloy University, specializing in existentialism and phenomenology. She also leads Research and Development at the John Mack Institute, where she works to bring experiencer narratives into more scientific and public frameworks, and teaches independent courses on Shamanism and UFO/UAP experiences.
We discuss the state of experiencer research and the intersection of Dr. Engels' philosophical specialties with the UFO/NHI phenomenon.
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S4E2: Nick Gold ~ Declassify UAP Founder
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Nick's background in media technology put him in contact with many government agencies, which helped him see our legal system as approachable and human. He founded Declassify UAP to help people contact their elected representatives and press for greater transparency on the subject.
This wide-ranging conversation covers everything from Nick's technical experience to the status of transparency advocacy to the metaphysical oneness of being and action. It's a doozy, and Nick's preternaturally articulate flow keeps it tripping along. Hope you enjoy!
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S4E1: Thomas Jane ~ Actor, Writer, Director, Producer
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Thomas is a movie star. He's played lead roles in major films like The Punisher and The Predator, and TV shows like Hung and The Expanse. He manages entertainment companies, directs, produces and stars in film and TV projects, and writes both fiction and nonfiction. He's also a long-time UFO researcher with a forthcoming book about the phenomenon.
We talk about the state of human life, the motives, behaviors and diversity of potential visiting NHI, and how we should proceed into the next era of our species' interaction.
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S3E13: Grant Cameron ~ UFO Researcher and Writer
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Grant Cameron has been researching UFOs for over 50 years. He's a prolific writer and speaker, with over 20 publications to his name.
Grant's interview with us is freewheeling and intense. To be honest, we don't know what to make of some of his claims. However, we respect his lifelong commitment to the subject and we're grateful he chose to share so much of his precious time with us.
As we say at the top of the episode, this one's not for beginners. Seasoned UFO thinkers will have a better toolkit fo...
S3E12: Dr. Matthew Szydagis ~ UAPx Scientist, University at Albany Physics Professor
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Dr. Matthew Szydagis teaches physics at the University at Albany and researches dark matter with the Lux-Zeplin project. He's also a scientist with UAPx where he participated in the first UAP expedition in 2021.
We discuss funding for UAP research, what UAPx learned from their expedition and what they'd like to do next, potential explanations for UAP behavior, and other topics.
UAPx Expedition Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2312.00558
Matthew's Catastrophic Disclosure Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.12738
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S3E11: Dr. Michael Uhall ~ Author, Theorist, Indiana University Political Science Professor
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Dr. Uhall teaches political theory and the history of thought at Indiana University and works as an administrator in research and strategy at the University of Illinois. He's working on a book called "Theory of the Alien."
We discuss conceptual structures related to humans, nature, space and aliens, and explore the academic theory work necessary to prepare for potential contact with extraterrestrial intelligence.
Michael's First Book: https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781666922530/Noir-Materialism-Freedom-and-Obligation-in-Political-Ecology
Michael's Website: https://www.michaeluhall.com/
Bohlander on ET Contact: https://www.amazon.com/C...
S3E10: Krys Devine and Ariel Elizabeth ~ Hosts of The Elephant In The Room 411 Podcast
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This is a fun one. Krys and Ariel host The Elephant In the Room 411 Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@ElephantInTheRoom411
We talk about how to discuss the UFO subject with family and friends, how to center experiencers in the cultural conversation, and how we rate the various possible explanations for the UFO phenomenon.
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S3E9: Gary Voorhis Jr. ~ Co-Founder and President of UAPx, 2004 USS Nimitz UAP Witness
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Gary Voorhis Jr. is a Co-Founder and President of UAPx, and a direct witness of the 2004 UAP encounters by the U.S.S. Nimitz carrier group leading up to the famous Tic Tac incident.
We discuss Gary's experience in 2004 witnessing the strange radar and visual phenomena, and the instructions he received by the unidentified officers who came to confiscate the footage.
We also cover his work with UAPx, a science organization seeking funding to produce and install sensor arrays to collect reliable UAP data.
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S3E8: Robert Powell ~ SCU Executive Board Member, "UFOs" Author, Nanotech Engineer
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Robert Powell is a co-founder and Executive Board Member of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies. He served as Director of Research at MUFON from 2007-2017 and created their Science Review Board. Robert holds a BS in Chemistry and co-holds four patents related to nanotechnology from his years managing Research and Development of semiconductors at AMD.
We discuss his excellent book "UFOs: A Scientist Explains What We Know (And Don't Know)," including what UAP science must do next, what might account for some of the extraordinary behavior of UAP, and how an...
S3E7: Dr. Kevin Knuth ~ Physics Professor, Contributor to UAPX, SCU, SUAPS, Sol, IFEX and Galileo
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Dr. Knuth is a Full Professor in the Department of Physics at the University at Albany (SUNY) and the Editor-in-Chief of the journal Entropy (MDPI). He holds various positions leading and consulting with almost every major UFO organization, including UAPX, SCU, SUAPS, The Sol Foundation, IFEX and The Galileo Project.
Kevin worked for four years at NASA Ames Research Center in the Intelligent Systems Division designing artificial intelligence algorithms for astrophysical data analysis. He has over 20 years of experience in applying Bayesian and maximum entropy methods to the design of machine l...
S3E6: Rich Hoffman ~ Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies Co-Founder
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Rich Hoffman celebrated 60 years of UFO investigation in 2024. He's an IT consultant and strategist, and a defense contractor with Army Material Command. One of the first members of MUFON, he rose through the ranks to serve as Director of Investigations, Star Team Manager, Director of Strategic Projects, and State Director for multiple states.
Rich founded the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies to connect scientists around the world and apply rigorous research methods to the investigation of UFOs and their properties. He's contributed directly to several deep-dive research papers about both particular U...
S3E5: Dr. Brannon Wheeler ~ US Naval Academy Professor
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Dr. Brannon Wheeler teaches history of religion, Middle East, and the Bible at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis. He's authored and edited several books on these topics, including Mecca and Eden: Ritual, Relics, and Territory in Islam (Chicago, 2016) and Animal Sacrifice and the Origins of Islam (Cambridge, 2022). Professor Wheeler received his PhD from the University of Chicago and has held visiting positions throughout the Middle East and Europe.
We discuss the overlap between religious mythology and UFO experiences, the potential nature of communication with advanced psychic beings, and the p...
S3E4: Kevin Wright ~ Solve Advocacy Founder, SCU and NPI Advisor
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Kevin Wright is a public relations and communications expert. He focuses on edge science issues and advises the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies’ (SCU) Board of Directors on public affairs and public relations and is a consultant to Daniel Sheehan’s New Paradigm Institute. Wright is also a weekly columnist for the Roswell Daily Record.
Wright’s company Solve Advocacy helps clients navigate the complex and evolving landscape of public perception, media attention, and policy implications related to topics such as UAP, consciousness, and more.
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S3E3: Birdie Jaworski ~ Founder and Director of ABQ UFOs, Expert Remote Viewer
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Birdie is amazing. She founded ABQ UFOs, which is one of the largest volunteer organizations of UFO enthusiasts, and she's among the most accomplished civilian remote viewers. We discuss her work and experience in both areas here, and look closely at the places where UFOs and remote viewing intersect.
You can follow Birdie online at her site No Rivets: https://www.norivets.com/
Engage with ABQ UFOs at their site: https://www.abqufos.com/
And check out Birdie's course with Ubiquity University here: https://www.ubiquityuniversity.org...
S3E2: John and Gerry Tedesco ~ UAP Field Study Engineers
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John and Gerry Tedesco are likely the world's most experienced civilian UAP trackers. They've logged hundreds of hours of data collection in their mobile lab Nightcrawler units with dozens of high-quality sensor instruments, including advanced radar equipment for which they acquired a special license.
We discuss their history as electrical engineers, their UAP observation work so far, their harrowing close encounter, and their plans for future projects.
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S3E1: Dr. Jim Garrison ~ New Paradigm Institute Washington DC Director
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Jim Garrison directs the Washington DC operations of New Paradigm Institute. We discuss how disclosure will impact the rhythms of human history, how humans can start processing the presence of nonhuman intelligence, and how New Paradigm is preparing to help us communicate with our visitors.
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S2E13: Renate Erdal ~ Leader of UFO Norway
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Renate Erdal is the leader of UFO Norway, a construction project manager, and a Captain in the Norwegian Army Reserves.
We talk about UFO Norway's activities, Norwegian UFO history, how to make disclosure a healthy process, and what we'd like to ask the NHI.
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S2E12: Dr. Michael Glawson ~ Host of the Anomalous Review Podcast, Cohost of UAP Studies Podcast
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Dr. Michael Glawson is a philosopher, consultant and podcast host. His teaching and research subjects include the philosophies of religion, technology and science.
We discuss next steps for UAP studies, the conceptual challenges of engaging with advanced life forms, and what might happen when we learn more about the broad range of phenomena to which UAP connect.
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S2E11: Stephanie Dwilson ~ The Verified Report Founder
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Stephanie Dwilson is a licensed attorney with a master's in science in science and technology journalism.
She founded The Verified Report to cover UAP news from a serious, unbiased perspective. Check out her work here: https://theverifiedreport.com/
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S2E10: Stephen Bassett ~ Paradigm Research Group and Hollywood Disclosure Alliance Cofounder
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Stephen Bassett is the first UFO disclosure lobbyist. He's been working to end the military truth embargo on UAP for over 20 years.
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S2E9: Dr. Michael Cifone ~ Society for UAP Studies Co-Founder
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Dr. Cifone is an accomplished philosopher of science and the founder of the Society for UAP Studies: https://www.societyforuapstudies.org/
He also edits the Society's peer-reviewed journal Limina: https://limina.uapstudies.org/
We discuss the philosophy of science, the project of approaching UAP in contemporary science, the unique challenges and opportunities it poses as a subject, and a wide array of related topics.
It's our furthest ranging and longest episode yet. We hope you enjoy!
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S2E8: Andy McGrillen ~ That UFO Podcast Host
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Andy McGrillen hosts That UFO Podcast, our favorite podcast about UFOs. We talk about ontological resilience, hypotheses for the phenomenon, and the upcoming goals of ufology.
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