The Holistic Horsemanship and Husbandry Podcast
Welcome to The Holistic Horsemanship and Husbandry Podcast where your hosts, Laura & Cindy are coming together to alchemize hearts and horses for a more connected life. We're two horsewomen from vastly different backgrounds, united by our profound experiences with horses and the life lessons they've taught us. Our goal for this podcast is to empower you to look beneath the surface of your horsemanship journey to find a deeper connection, more meaning, and more confidence to do whatever you dream of with your equine. If you've ever felt like there's more to life with horses than what you currently see wo...
56: Putting the Horse First in Every Circumstance with Adam Sewell
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Adam Sewell is an impressive rider and horseman. But above all, he puts the horse first. Join us in tuning into this awesome conversation where Adam talks about riding horses and competing in mounted archery all over the world.Â
He shares stories of partnering with horses in tons of different scenarios, all of which he put the horse before his desired outcome.Â
If you are looking for a horse sport that isn't harmful to the horse, you want to listen to this episode. Plus, Ad...
55: From the Liminal Realm to Grounded at Home
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In this episode, we celebrate Cindy's entrance into her new life. The launch of her new book, paired with her move to the new home of Heart Soul Confidence Based Horsemanship in Cottonwood, California.Â
Cindy shares her new book, then discusses her plans for her beautiful new horse property and her dreams of hosting women's retreats with her horses.Â
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As summer weather heads our way, many of us are dusting off saddles and hitting the trails. But are our horses ready? Are we? What about tack, trucks, and trailers?Â
Hit play now to learn how to assess if you’re ready to go, and what to do if you aren’t. Trail riding is one of the very best parts of summer, but so many accidents happen because people go out unprepared. Just because your horse was bombproof last year doesn’t necessarily mean they’re ready to ride this year.Â
Mental, emotional, and physical f...
53: The Truth Behind Barefoot Hooves
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Hoof problems are widespread, and many horse owners are forced to trust their professionals because they lack the knowledge to make informed decisions on their own.Â
This becomes a challenge when professionals are limited in an area, and you can't find the help you truly need for your horse.Â
A horse can grow an entirely new hoof capsule in a year. Yet many horse owners struggle with the same issues year after year after year. Th...
52: Seeing The Spirit of the Horse with Kim McElroy
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In this conversation, we connect with Kim McElroy, a talented artist and deeply spiritual horse woman. She discusses the evolution of her career as an artist and how the spirit of the horse has always been at the center.Â
If you value equine artwork that truly captures the soul of its subjects, this episode is for you. Hit play now.Â
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In this episode, we dive into nervous system regulation and what that looks like for you and your horse.Â
As we come into spring, we often want to do more and get out and push ourselves and our horses out of our comfort zones.Â
Doing this safely and successfully requires tools for nervous system regulation. Hit play now to hear this powerful conversation.Â
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In this episode, we sit down with horseman Don Jessup to talk about the hard truths that can change everything. Don shares how his early years with Monty Roberts, John Lyons, and Pat Parelli shaped him. He talks about a scary season of burnout, questions, and real soul searching. This is a conversation about what horses teach us when we slow down enough to see them.
Don talks about the hidden stress many horses live with, the subtle signals most people miss, and why that matters so much for safety, trust, and true connection. Â
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49: Horse Care Secrets for an Easy Spring
This episode covers the husbandry basics people aren’t taught. We talk about the frustrations that so many horse owners have managing their horses’ care and what we do about them. We dig into manure management, fly control, and how to potty train your horse. 3
We also cover lots of hacks for dealing with wet conditions without breaking the bank. If you are struggling through winter and spring, wishing things could be easier, this episode is for you! Hit play now.Â
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In this episode, we sit down with Warwick Schiller to explore what having a connection with horses really means. We dive into nervous system regulation, emotional awareness, mindset, and the powerful shift from correcting behavior to understanding why the behavior exists in the first place.
Warwick shares the honest story behind his transformation from performance-driven competition to presence-based horsemanship. He talks about how a “problem” horse changed the way he sees everything. We talk about connection as science and safety. About helping the horse regulate their nervous system so they...
47: Your Horse's Life - What Do the Other 23 Hours Look Like?
The other 23 hours... the ones you aren't there. What does that look like for your horse?Â
Our last few guests have all mentioned how your horse's management and lifestyle impact your training and performance.Â
In this episode, we dive into exactly what that looks like, hoping to inspire listeners to give their horses the best life possible.Â
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This conversation isn’t about techniques or quick fixes. It’s about integrity, tradesmanship, doing the work to become an excellent horse person. We sit down with Lockie Phillips, who shares that Emotional Horsemanship was never meant to be a brand. It’s a way to find the people who are ready to be honest with themselves and do the work with their horses.
Together, we talk about what happens when horse people hit a pivot point. When what used to feel normal no longer does. When q...
45: Embracing the Year of the Fire Horse
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In this episode, we revisit last year’s “First of the Year” episode, reflect on the goals we set, and laugh at how little of it actually unfolded the way we expected.Â
What we thought would be a year focused on riding turned into a year of shedding, relocating, grieving, rebuilding, and making changes we never saw coming. And somehow, we both ended up feeling more grounded and centered than ever.
We talk honestly about the pressure of traditional New Year’s goal sett...
44: A New Path for Horse-Human Education with Anna Twinney
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In this episode, we sit down with Anna Twinney to talk about a totally different approach to horse training.Â
We discuss how horses experience us. Anna shares journey through natural horsemanship, training mustangs, and using animal communication, to help horses and their people.Â
We talk about what many of us were taught in the early days of natural horsemanship, why some of those ideas stuck, and where they quietly missed the mark.
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43: Four Powerful Steps That Can Change Everything For Your Horse
In this episode, we talk about communication with horses. We explore how breaking things down into simple steps can change your entire relationship with your horse… and others in your life.
You’ll hear the stories, the struggles, and the breakthroughs we experience in our work with horses.
You’ll want to listen if you’ve ever felt:
Lost in your horsemanshipUnsure what your horse is trying to tell youOverwhelmed by the “right way” to do thingsAfraid of “ruining” your horseDisconnected from your own intuitionWe share the four-step formula that will help overco...
42: Can Competition and Happy Horses Coexist? With Guest Kathy Baar
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If you feel torn about competing with your horse, this episode is for you.
We sit down with USDF gold medalist and natural horsemanship instructor Kathy Baar. Kathy competes on a high level, but remains committed to putting the horse first.Â
In this conversation, we unpack:
How Kathy prepares for competitionGood management of competition horsesHow to tell if your horse actually enjoys competition The role of intuition, feel, and emotional fitness in modern horsemanshipWhat true “mastery” in horsemanship really looks and feels like over a life...41: Allowing Your Horse to Be - Secrets to True Connection
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What if the greatest act of love you could offer your horse… was allowing?
In this episode, we get into what allowing really means — for you, your horse, and your relationship together. We explore how releasing expectations and embracing presence can transform your partnership and your inner world.
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Why “allowing” is often seen as a bad word in the horse world — and why that needs to change.How to navigate negative feelings when your horse say...40: A New Perspective On Winter With Horses
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As the days grow shorter and the chill sets in, many horse owners dread the coming winter. But what if this season could become an enjoyable time with your horse? In this episode, we share how to shift your mindset and embrace winter as a season of rest, reflection, and deeper connection.
You’ll hear how we're preparing our herds and properties for the colder months—and how we're finding joy and purpose in the process.
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How to flow...39: Dancing with the Goddess and the Warrior In Your Horsemanship
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In this episode, we explore horses as our teachers and mirrors. We dive into how foddess and warrior energy show up in our work with our horses. We discuss the differences in the healed and unhealed energy of each of these archetypes.Â
You’ll hear a story about two semi-wild Mustangs, Chief and Saturday. Chief battles laminitis and EMS. Saturday stands guard, nurtures, and sets limits. Their contrast reveals how our energy shapes training, hoof care, and daily handling.
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38: How to Advocate For Your Horse
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Advocating for your horse is something we all have to do. But it’s uncomfortable for many of us. In this episode, Laura shares a real-life example of how she recently had to advocate for MJ. You’ll hear the story of a move, the red flags she weighed, and the moment boundaries and intuition changed everything.
We talk hay, health, and hard choices. We talk energy and mindset.. It’s honest. It’s useful. It will help you keep your horse safe and stress-f...
37: How to Stop Micromanaging Your Horse
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In this episode, we dig into a habit that many horse owners don’t even realize they have: micromanaging.
If you’ve ever found yourself holding the lead rope too tightly, correcting your horse over and over, or feeling the need to control every step, you might be micromanaging them. Your horse isn’t the only one affected when this happens.Â
The conversation explores:
What micromanaging really looks like with horsesHow microman...36: Breaking the Chains Within: Finding Inner Peace Through Wisdom of the Herd
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In this special episode, Cindy shares from her book Breaking the Chains Within: Finding Inner Peace Through the Wisdom of the Herd. The book is a guide for anyone ready to reclaim their power, trust themselves, and create deeper connections in their life.
In this conversation, Laura shares her perspective as an early reader, and Cindy reads us a sneak peek chapter from the book. If you’ve ever felt stuck in old patterns, doubted your instincts, or longed for more peace, this one is for you.
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35: Secrets to Balanced Riding Every Rider Should Know
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In this episode, we talk about how imbalances in your body affect the balance in your horse's body —whether you're aware of it or not.
If your horse struggles with:
uneven muscle developmentstiffness going in one direction
hollow back or sore shoulders
difficulty collecting, side-passing, or moving freely
…it might be you, not them.
This episode will help you get curious and more aware. You’...
34: Big Life Changes: Horses, Walking With Fear & Starting Over
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This episode is raw, real, and deeply personal.
Cindy opens up about an unexpected life change — losing the ranch she's called home for 11 years — and how it’s shaken her to her core. But instead of hiding from the fear, she leans into it with the help of her horses.
You’ll hear:
How her horses felt her emotional chaos before she could name itWhy our internal environment is part of our horses’ environment
What it rea...
33: The Magic Connection Between Hoof And Gut Health
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What do cracked hooves, laminitis, and slow hoof growth have in common? They often start in the gut. In this episode, we’re diving deep into the hoof health and gut health connection—and what you can do to support both.
Farriers and trimmers play a role, but your horse’s diet, environment, and microbiome are just as important to consider.
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32: Tips and Tricks to Keep You Safe on the Trail
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In this episode, we talk about what it actually takes to have a safe, fun, and connected trail ride with your horse.
Inside this episode, we cover:
Why trail riding is not “just trail riding”The real reason so many people end up injured on the trailHow to build muscle memory that kicks in when sh*t hits the fanWhat groundwork you need before hitting the saddleWhy hind end control matters way more than you t...31: How to Fix Your Trust Issues With Your Horse
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This episode explores trust in horsemanship—what it looks like, how it’s built, and what it means when it breaks.
If you’ve ever said “I don’t trust my horse” or wondered why your horse won’t trust you, this one is for you.
We go deep into:
Why trust is a two-way street between horse and humanWhat it means to lie to your horse (it’s not what you think)How self-trust and self-awareness affect every interactionThe di...30: When We Know Better But Don’t Do Better
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In this episode, we talk about cognitive dissonance. Unfortunately, we see it every day in the horse industry.
We start by exploring where it shows up in our lives - our self-care and fitness routines. Things we rush that we know would be better if we were present. Then we move into exploring how it shows up in our interactions with our horses.
Why do we so often fail to to better for our horses even when we know better?
29: How to Help Abused and Neglected Horses Heal
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Helping abused and neglected horses is a huge topic in the horse world. In this episode, we share stories of working with traumatized horses. We dive into how they can teach us about trust, healing, and forgiveness.
We talk about what it takes to rehabilitate a horse with trauma—and why not every horse can or should become a riding partner.
If you've ever taken in a horse with a painful past, or are thinking about it, this will give you a fresh per...
28: The #1 Mistake Riders Make in Spring Training
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Spring is here. The weather's warming, the trails are drying, and you're ready to ride again! Before you saddle up and hit the road, there’s one big question: Does your horse need a spring tune-up?
In this episode, we unpack the truth behind the 90-day spring tune-up. A restart method that so many horse owners rely on. We talk about fear, confidence, and what builds a lasting horse-human partnership. Spoiler: It’s not just sending your horse away to get “fixed.”
We explore how to condi...
27: What Your Horse’s Bad Behavior Is Really Saying
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Ever felt like your horse won’t do what you’re asking? You're left frustrated, confused, or maybe even questioning your ability. This episode is for you. We dive deep into why those challenging moments happen, no matter how experienced you are. And more importantly, how to respond in a way that builds trust, not tension.
Whether your horse is resisting meds, refusing to be caught, or squirrely under saddle, they need help. We explore the subtle communication behind these behaviors so you can a...
26: Why Horses Touch Us – Is It Disrespect Or Love?
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Ever wonder why your horse nudges you with their nose or presses against certain parts of your body? Is it affection, a request, or "disrespect"? In this episode, we’re diving into what this communication means.
We break down misconceptions around behavior and show you how to tune into your horse’s subtle cues. We also dig into the energetic connection between horses and humans—including stories of horses detecting pregnancy, sensin...
25: Navigating Special Needs in Horses – Managing Your Mindset
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Owning a horse with special needs—whether physical or behavioral, or emotional—can feel overwhelming. It's isolating to watch others enjoying their horses while fighting to help yours.Â
In this episode, we dive deep into when the journey of horse ownership doesn’t look the way you expected. From chronic health conditions to behavioral challenges, we explore how your mindset matters. Having the right support system in place when this happens can make all the difference.
We tackle the tough conversations: When is it time to figh...
24: Setting Your New Horse Up for Success – Managing Expectations & Building Trust
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Bringing a new horse home is exciting, but it’s also a massive transition—for both of you. This episode discusses what a horse goes through when they get a new home. It talks about unhealthy expectations and how we can let those go. From herd dynamics to trust-building, we go over how to make the transition as smooth as possible.
When a horse enters a new environment they face challenges. New owners often forget what the horse is going through in their excitement. We talk abou...
23: An Authentic Balance of Horsemanship, Motherhood, and Business With Amy Skinner
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In this episode, we sit down with Amy Skinner, founder of Amy Skinner Horsemanship. Her unique horsemanship philosophy is built on balance, trust, and respect. Amy shares her journey of evolution as a horsewoman, a mother, and a teacher. She reveals how these principles have shaped her life and horse industry career.
This episode dives into the often unspoken challenges of balancing motherhood and horses. Amy's candid reflections on vulnerability and adaptability offer insights that apply to all relationships, whether with horses or humans.
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22: Navigating Big Emotions Without Freaking Out Your Horse
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In this episode, we dive into a topic that many people are experiencing in today's climate. How do we engage with our horses when we're struggling emotionally or mentally? You may be feeling overwhelmed, anxious, or not yourself. This conversation will help you be with your horse authentically while honoring their needs.
Horses have an incredible ability to ground us and bring us into the present moment. What happens when our emotional state feels too messy to manage? We explore w...
21: How to Reach Your Riding Goals This Year
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It's that time of year when many riders set goals for what they want to accomplish with their horses. This episode reflects on the importance of aligning our goals with our horse's well-being. If we don't put the horse first, is it really a goal worth reaching?Â
We debrief our own horsemanship journeys over the last year. We discuss what went well, what didn't, why, and what lessons we are carrying into 2025. There is a paradigm shift happening in the horse world, and we share how w...
20: Navigating Winter - The Truth About Cold Weather Horse Care
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The cold weather is here. Our horses need us to care for them slightly differently in this season. Should you blanket? Is your horse going to be okay when it snows? How much hay should you feed?
In a perfect world, horses could live thrive in the winter without human intervention. It's not a perfect world. It's your job to help them out without compromising their natural defenses. This means avoiding over-blanketing and over-feeding supplements and grain.Â
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19: What Your Herd Bound Horse is Dying to Tell You
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Every horse owner will have a herd-bound horse on their hands at some point. Solving this requires a deep understanding of equine psychology.
It's natural for horses to seek safety in numbers. Their instinctual needs drive this behavior that we humans find so undesirable. So what can be done? The methods trainers use to stop this behavior often leave the horse shut down. There's a better way!
You cultivate a calm, confident horse. Hit play now to find out how...
18: Tricks for Hoof Boots that Actually Fit with Karen Timcoe Cox
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In this episode, we’re diving into the world of hoof boots with our guest, Karen Tomcoe Cox. Karen is a boot fitting expert for Scoot Boots and Equine Fusion Boots. She breaks down the essentials of when and why to use hoof boots. Our conversation includes tips on fitting and handling the most common hoot boot challenges.Â
Boots can be super helpful in keeping your horse comfortable during the transition from shoes to barefoot. In this episode, we discuss how that works. Karen also highlights how proper nut...
17: The Balancing Act: Hoof Care Secrets Every Horse Owner Should Know
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In this episode, Laura steps forward as a hoof expert and total hoof nerd. We discuss how your horse's hoof is a powerful indicator of their overall well-being. Laura shares her journey of learning to trim so she can help her own horse and the horses at the rescues where she volunteers.
Chronic abscesses, laminitis, thrush, and hoof pain are not normal. But you can help your horse grow a healthy hoof free of these issues!
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