Chief Change Officer
What’s Stopping You from Outgrowing Yourself? Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself. Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers. This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight. For me, this show ma...
#416 Sienna Jackson: Culture, Capital, and the Courage to Start Young — Part Two

Sienna Jackson, the CEO of Nortera.io, walks us through her unexpected shift from entertainment executive to impact strategist.
In Part Two, Sienna Jackson dives deeper into the business of social impact—from why she walked away from Hollywood to how she’s now helping build one of Africa’s largest funding summits. She explains how impact is more than a buzzword—it’s a measurable, strategic discipline. Sienna shares how to bridge silos, build coalitions, and roll up your sleeves to help the helpers. From the boardroom to Ethiopia, she shows that real change isn’t about ego or...
#415 Sienna Jackson: Culture, Capital, and the Courage to Start Young — Part One

Sienna Jackson’s career began fast and early—college at 14, internships with The Weinstein Company, and leadership roles in the entertainment industry by her twenties. But behind the résumé was someone quietly questioning the rules of success. In Part One, Sienna shares how a childhood of contradictions, an early taste of toxic power, and a deep sense of cultural responsibility led her to rethink everything.
She didn’t just pivot—she designed a new model where impact isn’t a bonus, it’s the baseline.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
From Piano Lessons to Pol...
#414 Jevon Wooden: From the Military to Mindset Mastery — Part Two

From facing seven years in prison at 17 to leading soldiers in Afghanistan, Jevon Wooden’s story is more than a redemption arc—it’s about owning your power the moment you realize you’ve still got one.
In Part Two, Jevon gets tactical. He breaks down the frameworks behind his coaching work—from redefining confidence, to managing emotional triggers, to the underrated power of setting non-negotiables. We talk inner dialogue, identity shifts, and what it means to actually “own your kingdom.”
This isn’t just mindset—it’s method. And it’s built on real scars, not theory.
...#413 Jevon Wooden: From the Military to Mindset Mastery — Part One

Before Jevon Wooden became a business coach, author, and speaker, he was a 17-year-old on trial—facing up to seven years in prison. In Part One, Jevon shares how that moment became the turning point that led him to the military, and how the battlefield taught him about clarity, purpose, and emotional control.
This isn’t just a story about second chances—it’s about deciding who gets to write your next chapter.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
The Moment Everything Changed
“I was 17, on trial, and scared out of my mind. That...
#412 Mark Bayer: From Ivory Tower to Power Play — Helping PhDs Get Heard (and Hired) — Part Two

You’ve got the credentials, the data, and the ideas. But how do you make people actually care?
In Part Two, Mark unpacks his 11 Keys to Translating Complexity (complexitymadeclear.com) —an actionable framework to help scientists communicate clearly, concisely, and with impact. He explains why it’s not about dumbing down your message but lifting it up so others can meet it. From the science of metaphor to the neuroscience of attention, Mark arms PhDs with tools to shift from overlooked to influential—without losing their intellectual edge.
This episode is your field guide to getting...
#411 Mark Bayer: From Ivory Tower to Power Play — Helping PhDs Get Heard (and Hired) — Part One

Before founding Bayer Strategic Consulting, Mark Bayer led communications on Capitol Hill for nearly two decades—helping politicians cut through noise, make arguments stick, and win support under pressure. These days, he brings that hard-earned clarity to a new crowd: scientists, researchers, and PhDs who need to get their message across in rooms that don’t speak science.
In Part One, Mark unpacks why so many highly educated experts still struggle to connect—and why messaging isn’t about making things simpler, but sharper. He shares stories from Congress, contrasts the cultures of academia and advocacy, and reveals...
#410 Sande Golgart: Climbing the Wrong Mountain — Part Two

After decades of chasing external wins, Sande Golgart decided to stop running. In Part Two, he shares the uncomfortable, intentional work of stepping back—what it took to unplug from achievement addiction and start redesigning a life that fits from the inside out.
This isn’t a story about reinvention through ambition. It’s a blueprint for growth through subtraction: less noise, more clarity; fewer roles, deeper connection; no hustle, just truth. From mending his marriage to redefining success, Sande opens up about what he calls “Life Peels”—and why letting go is the new way up.
Key Hig...
#409 Sande Golgart: Climbing the Wrong Mountain — Part One

Before he became a coach and founder, Sande Golgart was addicted to acceleration. He said yes to every challenge, thrived in high-stakes boardrooms, and made a name for himself as a relentless performer. But behind the energy and accolades, something didn’t sit right.
In Part One, Sande retraces his early life as a dunk contest champion, his rise through the corporate ranks, and the moment he realized the game he was winning wasn’t one he wanted to keep playing. What started as hustle became habit. What looked like progress felt like pressure. And what came next...
#408 Jodi Silverman: When the Kids Grow Up, But You’re Just Getting Started — Part Two

Jodi Silverman never expected reinvention to arrive between carpools and client meetings. But once her kids left and the hustle paused, she realized success had masked something deeper: restlessness.
In Part 2, Jodi shares the emotional (and practical) shift from parenting full-time to rediscovering your own interests. She walks us through her signature DARE Method and dishes out real talk on marriage, identity, and why your kids aren’t your best friends (even if you really, really like them).
This isn’t just an episode about empty nests. It’s about refilling your own life—on your own...
#407 Jodi Silverman: When the Kids Grow Up, But You’re Just Getting Started — Part One

Jodi Silverman never expected reinvention to arrive between carpools and client meetings. But once her kids left and the hustle paused, she realized success had masked something deeper: restlessness.
In this episode, Jodi shares how she walked away from a print business, wrestled with guilt, and built Moms Who Dare—a movement for women redefining purpose in the second half of life.
This isn’t about motherhood or milestones. It’s about refusing to shrink when your old identity no longer fits.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
The Accidental Entrepreneur
“I had...
#406 Richard Carson: Diagnosing Dysfunction, One Broken System at a Time — Part Two

Before Richard Carson wrote The Book of Change, he was writing letters to newspaper editors and fixing chaos in city hall.
In Part 2, we unpack how Richard’s 39-step framework came to life—from a career shaped by failures to a model refined by fieldwork. Richard explains why he borrowed diagnostic tools from medicine, how COVID and AI are reshaping his thinking, and what consultants often forget: you’re not there to impress, you’re there to listen. It’s a masterclass in what it really takes to move people—and systems—without losing your common sense.
Key Highli...
#405 Richard Carson: Diagnosing Dysfunction, One Broken System at a Time — Part One

Before Richard Carson wrote The Book of Change, he was writing letters to newspaper editors and fixing chaos in city hall.
In Part One, he retraces the early detours—from archaeology hopeful to urban planner to accidental consultant. With every chapter, one theme stayed constant: real change happens when you stop assuming and start listening. Whether it’s a time-tracking nightmare or a consultant who forgot to swap client names in the proposal, Richard’s stories cut through the noise to reveal why change fails—and what to do instead.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
From...
#404 Lora Chow: Trading Wall Street for a Steinway — Part Two

What does it really mean to follow your heart—without losing your head?
Lora Chow shares how her music venture, Virtuoso Fiesta, brings classical music to new audiences while keeping its soul intact. She opens up about funding live concerts, launching her new album Reveries on Ivories, and composing as a form of storytelling. This is more than a career pivot—it’s a case study in blending logic and intuition, technology and art, structure and spirit.
Whether you’re chasing harmony or still stuck in the noise, Lora’s story will tune you back in.
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#403 Lora Chow: Trading Wall Street for a Steinway — Part One

Lora Chow didn’t abandon ambition—she just rewrote its score.
In this episode, we trace her unusual arc from elite finance to classical composition. She opens up about choosing Yale over Cambridge, chasing Wall Street dreams, and what it really took to reclaim her voice—literally. This isn’t a story about dropping out or burning out. It’s about tuning into the parts of yourself that never stopped playing.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Choosing Yale Over Cambridge Wasn’t Just About Prestige
“My heart wanted music. But my mom majored in...
#402 Helen Hanison: Success Isn’t Always Success — Part Two

You’ve admitted the career no longer fits. Now what?
In Part Two, Helen Hanison, former global PR executive turned executive career coach, walks us through what real change takes—beyond pep talks and pivot memes. She unpacks her three-act framework (Alignment, Redesign, and Transformation), explains why people cling to jobs they secretly loathe, and warns against the “anchor bias” that keeps us chasing the same dream long after it’s stopped making sense.
From spotting your outdated success scripts to mapping out future obstacles, Helen makes the case that career reinvention isn’t linear—it’s a zigzag...
#401 Helen Hanison: Success Isn’t Always Success — Part One

Helen Hanison was a high-flying PR executive with a passport full of stamps, million-dollar campaigns, and a board-level title. But after 20 years in the industry, she found herself questioning everything. Motherhood collided with her career, success lost its sparkle, and the feeling of being “stuck-but-still-good-at-it” became suffocating.
In Part One of this two-part conversation, Helen shares the moment she realized her success was seducing her into staying in the wrong life. She opens up about the subtle signs of misalignment, the “lost years” between knowing something’s wrong and doing something about it, and how her pivot into psych...
#400 Jean Zhou: Flipping the Script—From Spreadsheets to Storytelling

Jean Zhou’s journey defies every linear career chart.
After starting in accounting and dabbling in venture capital, she found herself chasing something spreadsheets couldn’t capture—emotion. That led to Wind Entertainment, a bold bet on storytelling rooted in sociology, psychology, and a lifelong obsession with television. In this episode, Jean reveals the early frustrations that sparked her producer dreams, why she believes storytelling is a survival skill, and how her sociology background became the secret sauce to building character-driven dramas that resonate worldwide.
This is the story of how data met drama—and lost.
#399 Nellie Wartoft: Global Fix—Change Management Without the Migraine — Part Two

Nellie Wartoft is the founder and CEO of Tiger Hall, a change enablement platform built for teams tired of stale workshops and change theater. In Part One, she takes us from her tiny hometown in Sweden to the boardrooms of Asia, where flipping burgers at McDonald’s, carrying an ice hockey trunk to Singapore, and watching companies struggle with real transformation all shaped her mission. This is change management with edge—equal parts adventure, insight, and rebellion.
Key Highlights of Our Interview
Change Theater vs. Real Impact
“Most companies don’t fail at change b...
#398 Nellie Wartoft: Global Fix—Change Management Without the Migraine — Part One

Nellie Wartoft is the founder and CEO of Tiger Hall, a change enablement platform built for teams tired of stale workshops and change theater. In Part One, she takes us from her tiny hometown in Sweden to the boardrooms of Asia, where flipping burgers at McDonald’s, carrying an ice hockey trunk to Singapore, and watching companies struggle with real transformation all shaped her mission. This is change management with edge—equal parts adventure, insight, and rebellion.
Key Highlights of Our Interview
Sweden, Cows, and a One-Way Ticket
“On my 18th birthday, I booked...
#397 Colin Savage: Why Skill Stacking Is the New Lifelong Learning — Part Three

In this final part, we go beyond buzzwords. Colin breaks down how to make AI work for you—not replace you. He explains how human intelligence and machine intelligence can combine to create authentic, enhanced value. From warning students not to cheat with ChatGPT to showing executives how to tailor their own AI strategy, Colin’s message is clear: You don’t need every tool. You need the right ones—and a deeply human way to use them.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
You Don’t Need Every Tool—Just the Right Ones
“People want a...
#396 Colin Savage: Why Skill Stacking Is the New Lifelong Learning — Part Two

In this episode, Colin deconstructs the romanticism of “lifelong learning” and makes a sharp case for skill stacking—not as a buzzword, but as a career imperative. From the strategy rooms of Japan to the boardrooms of Canada, he unpacks the realities of navigating change in cultures, families, and workplaces. Plus, why some organizations say they want transformation but are actually addicted to the comfort of legacy systems.
If you’re tired of collecting degrees that lead nowhere, this one’s for you.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
The Illusion of Change-Readiness
“Some com...
#395 Colin Savage: Why Skill Stacking Is the New Lifelong Learning — Part One

If reinvention were a passport, Colin Savage’s pages would be full. From global projects across seven countries to helping old-school industries like Japanese insurers modernize with tact, Colin’s career isn’t just built on change—it thrives on it.
In Part One, we go deep on the difference between chasing novelty and building purpose. Colin dismantles the dated idea of “lifelong learning” and replaces it with something sharper: skill stacking. You’ll also hear how he developed change muscles by moving countries, industries, and ideas—without ever losing sight of what matters.
Key Highlights of Ou...
#394 Rebecca Sutherns: Career on Her Terms—From Global Aid to Solopreneur Strategy — Part Two

Rebecca Sutherns didn’t follow a straight path—and she’s the first to say that’s the point. As a strategy coach and solo entrepreneur for 27 years, she’s helped leaders rethink what’s next while doing the same for herself. In this two-part series, we talk about work-life trade-offs, momentum, and why imagining your future might be the most strategic thing you’ll do.
If you’ve ever hit pause or felt stuck in place, this one’s worth a listen.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Midlife Isn’t a Crisis—It’s a Cue
“I was...
#393 Rebecca Sutherns: Career on Her Terms—From Global Aid to Solopreneur Strategy — Part One

Rebecca Sutherns didn’t follow a straight path—and she’s the first to say that’s the point. As a strategy coach and solo entrepreneur for 27 years, she’s helped leaders rethink what’s next while doing the same for herself. In this two-part series, we talk about work-life trade-offs, momentum, and why imagining your future might be the most strategic thing you’ll do.
If you’ve ever hit pause or felt stuck in place, this one’s worth a listen.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
27 Years Solo—By Design
“I’m in year 27 of...
#392 Robert MacPhee: From Parking Cars to Coaching Clarity—Lessons from a Chicken Soup Insider — Part Two

Robert MacPhee didn’t start out teaching values—he started out parking cars. But somewhere between the valet stand and becoming Jack Canfield’s right-hand man (yes, that Chicken Soup guy), Robert found his lane. Now the author of Living a Values-Based Life, he’s guiding people to stop driving in circles and finally align their actions with what truly matters.
In this second half of the series, Robert breaks down how to live out your values in everyday life—not just name them. We dig into why values change with life stages, what to do after you’ve ide...
#391 Robert MacPhee: From Parking Cars to Coaching Clarity—Lessons from a Chicken Soup Insider — Part One

Before he was coaching CEOs or co-creating workshops with Jack Canfield, Robert MacPhee was parking cars. That detour became a defining feature—not a footnote.
In Part One, Robert shares his unlikely path from backstage support to clarity coach. We explore why most people struggle to name their values, how he built the “Excellent Decisions” framework, and why aligning your choices with your core values is less about woo-woo ideals and more about long-term clarity.
Forget vibes—this episode is about learning to steer your life with your own internal compass.
Key Highlights of Our I...
#390 Erin Diehl: From Talk Show Dreams to a Business Built on Bombing — Part Two

Part Two.
The queen of corporate improv is back—and this time, we’re going deeper into the messy, magnificent art of failing forward. In this episode, Erin Diehl shares her Worst Terrifying Failure (aka WTF moment): how the pandemic brought her business to a standstill, her body to a breakdown, and her mindset to a crossroads. But instead of spiraling, she built a comeback rooted in self-healing, radical joy, and a step-by-step method called MOVE ON.
From chronic pain to corporate reinvention, this episode is a masterclass in resilience—with punchlines. Spoiler: the joke’s not on...
#389 Erin Diehl: From Talk Show Dreams to a Business Built on Bombing — Part One

Before Erin Diehl was training Fortune 500 teams to think on their feet, she was juggling job fairs by day and Second City by night.
In Part One, we go back to the origin story—how a recruiting job collided with a comedy stage and sparked a business idea no one saw coming. From cold pitching United Airlines with zero credentials to redefining ROI as “Return on Objective,” Erin shares how improv became her leadership laboratory. Along the way, we talk about joy, failure, and what really happens when you turn your side hustle into your full-time mission.
K...
#388 Todd Davis: Inside 30 Years at FranklinCovey—What Most Leaders Still Get Wrong — Part Two

In a world obsessed with AI, automation, and the next big tech trend, Todd Davis believes human intelligence is more valuable than ever.
Sure, AI can crunch numbers—but can it build trust, resolve conflicts, or make people feel heard?
In Part 2, we go straight into the human side of leadership—why most people don’t actually listen, why trust is like a bank account, and how one employee nearly lost her career over a simple blind spot. Todd also shares a powerful story about a prison inmate who transformed his life using The 7 Habits—a remind...
#387 Todd Davis: Inside 30 Years at FranklinCovey—What Most Leaders Still Get Wrong — Part One

Todd Davis didn’t just teach The 7 Habits—he lived them for 30 years inside the leadership company that built its name on them.
As the former Chief People Officer at FranklinCovey, Todd spent three decades coaching teams, executives, and entire organizations on what truly drives effectiveness—and what quietly kills it. In this episode, he unpacks why trust is more than a buzzword, how most leaders think they’re being clear (but aren’t), and what’s gone missing in today’s fast-changing workplace.
Whether you’re leading a team or just trying to survive your next meetin...
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

What if the biggest barrier to innovation isn’t a lack of ideas—but a mountain of pointless work?
In Part Two of this series, Lisa Bodell, CEO of FutureThink and one of the world’s top speakers on simplification, walks us through her strategy to make work—and life—less overwhelming and more meaningful. She shares how organizations like Pfizer and Google cut clutter to free up creativity, and how we can do the same in our personal lives. Lisa also gets personal about parenting, mental health, and why she believes simplicity is a survival skill in the age...
#385 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part One

Lisa Bodell didn’t just study the future—she built a career helping others prepare for it.
In Part One of this two-part series, the CEO of FutureThink shares how her path from advertising to futurism led to a global mission: helping teams simplify, innovate, and stop drowning in busywork. She breaks down what it really means to be a futurist (hint: no crystal balls involved), why complexity is the true enemy of innovation, and how she’s helped companies like Pfizer kill zombie meetings and make space for what actually matters.
If your calendar is pac...
#384 Deborah Perry Piscione: From Power Plays to Pay-It-Forward—How Work Got Rewritten — Part Two

Part Two of a 2-part series with Deborah Perry Piscione.
She’s been a White House staffer, a Silicon Valley founder, and now co-author of Employment is Dead. In this final chapter, Deborah unpacks the future of learning, hiring, and leadership. Her son skipped college, built a six-figure business, and learned survival in Antarctica—and she says that path may be more relevant than a classroom.
From blockchain credentials to portfolio careers and life-stage flexibility, Deborah lays out what’s next for both workers and employers. She also answers the big question: does “employment is dead” me...
#383 Deborah Perry Piscione: From Power Plays to Pay-It-Forward—How Work Got Rewritten — Part One

What happens when a political insider, a Silicon Valley entrepreneur, and a bestselling author walk into a podcast? You get Deborah Perry Piscione.
In Part One of this two-part series, Deborah shares her wild career ride—from shaping policy in Washington to pioneering bottoms-up innovation in tech. She breaks down why fear is a tool in politics, but collaboration fuels real change—and how a chance encounter in a coffee shop led to her first startup and a new lens on what work could be.
From co-founding six ventures to co-authoring Employment is Dead, Deborah’s stor...
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

Part Three of a 3-part series with Josh Drean.
Josh isn’t here to tweak the old system—he’s here to build a new one. In this final chapter, the Work3 Institute co-founder and co-author of Employment is Dead goes deep on what it actually takes to evolve.
Vince and Josh tackle the hard stuff: Are degrees still relevant in a skills-first world? How does blockchain flip the hiring process? What if your next “employee” is actually a DAO participant with token voting power? And what happens to companies who still think Zoom fatigue is the big...
#381 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Two

Part Two of a 3-part series on Josh Drean.
Josh has worn many hats—Harvard MBA, psychology grad, co-founder of Work3 Institute and now, co-author of Employment is Dead (Harvard Business Review Press).
In Part 1, we tore down the outdated rituals of traditional employment, including the performative disaster that is the annual engagement survey. Today in Part 2, we go behind the scenes: how did a random cold call spark a bestselling book that landed at HBR?
Josh shares the publishing highs and headaches—crafting a 120-page proposal, keeping the book relevant in a fast...
#380 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part One

What if employment as we know it has already died—and we’re just pretending not to notice?
In Part One of this three-part series, Josh Drean—Harvard MBA, startup founder, and co-author of Employment is Dead(Harvard Business Review Press)—joins Vince to dissect the slow death of traditional work. From the failure of annual engagement surveys to the false promise of “people-first” slogans, Josh makes it clear: the current system was built for the factory floor, not the future.
We trace Josh’s journey from studying psychology to working in corporate consulting during the pandemic...
#379 Alison Stewart: Building a Life Concierge Startup From Scratch—Part Two

Overwhelmed by life? Alison Stewart gets it—and she’s building a startup to help fix it.
In Part Two, the Overalls COO shares how her team is rethinking employee benefits by offering something surprisingly human: life support, literally. Whether it’s booking a plumber, navigating eldercare, or finding summer camps before the January rush, Overalls acts as a concierge for the chaos of modern life.
Alison also opens up about what it really takes to scale an idea from zero—while trusting yourself to write the policies, run the ops, and still answer the phones...
#378 Alison Stewart: The LinkedIn DM That Launched a Startup—Part One

Not all career changes are dramatic. Some are deeply deliberate—and a little serendipitous.
In Part One, Alison Stewart, COO of Overalls, walks us through her transition from 10+ years in the financial sector to co-founding a startup she discovered on LinkedIn. With two kids at home and a stable job in a Fortune 100 company, Alison didn’t jump recklessly. Instead, she asked the hard questions: Am I fulfilled? What do I want next? And how much risk am I really willing to take?
This episode unpacks what happens when you combine career intuition with operational prec...
#377 Ral West: From Charter Planes to Real Estate Empires—Systems, Grit, and Reinvention

Most people retire after one successful business. Ral West kept building.
In this episode, Ral shares how she co-ran a charter airline between Alaska and Hawaii for 25 years—eventually selling it to Alaska Airlines—and then launched into her next chapters: owning cruise ships, investing in real estate syndications, and helping other entrepreneurs find sustainability without burnout.
From navigating gender bias in a family business to designing automated booking systems and letting go of control through delegation, Ral’s story is a masterclass in evolving through every season of life. Whether you’re in the startup...