Talk About That
Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.
Best Of 2026 | Ghost Camels, Arranged Marriages, and Dyed Souls
John has specific instructions for his wife when he dies, and reveals his obsession with vice grip pliers. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders the real villain of the Titanic movie and tells the strange story of how government-imported camels in the 1800's led to ghost sightings in Arizona.
Plus, a conversation about contemplation, and the power our thoughts have over the direction of our lives.
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Best Of 2026 | Movie Theaters, Magic Tricks, and Hardships
John teaches us about the history of candy and ponders growing a skullet. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a senior moment at the movie theater and tries to find out why Betty Ford danced on a table at the White House
Plus, a conversation about how difficulties and trials tend to deepen our relationships.
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Best Of 2026 | Roadrunner Rules, Bruce Almighty, and Main Character Energy
John ponders whether anyone "hate listens" to the show and makes sermon illustrations out of old cartoons. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why the first cell phone call was used to troll a competitor and what he learned from Jim Carrey about being a comedian.
Plus, a conversation about human nature, humility, and why "Main Character Energy" isn't the flex you think it is.
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Best Of 2026 | Secret Microphones, Escalators, and Reactionaryism
John gets secret messages in his ear during worship and ponders whether we need merch. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets interviewed by an 80's comedy icon and tells us the demographic breakdown of his fanbase.
Plus, a conversation about reactionaryism, revolution, and choosing hope over fear.
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Best of 2026 | Old Technology, Deathbed Confessions, and Transactional Love
John ponders how many pics of his kid is too many and vigorously defends coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals what all rock band photos have in common and finds out the terrible original name for the Girl Scouts.
Plus, a conversation about The Sermon on the Mount and why it's needed now more than ever.
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Best Of 2026 | Detachable Faces, Red Carnations, and Neighbors
John reads a listener email and wishes we could be a zany Morning Zoo Radio Show. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an important retraction from last week (because he is stupid) and tells us about some wild wedding proposals on Leap Day in 13th Century Scotland.
Plus, a conversation about neighbors, enemies, and America's addiction to grievance.
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Best of 2026 | Memory Lanes, Grammar Police, and Certainty
John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper and the story of a man whose own hanging could not stop him from roasting the grammar of his captors.
Plus, a conversation about certainty and humility—and why a clear path may not always be the best one.
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Best Of 2026 | Healthy Self-Awareness vs Unhealthy Navel-Gazing: What’s the Difference?
"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God." In this episode, John and Jonnie talk about what healthy self-awareness looks like versus unhealthy navel-gazing. While we aren’t able to control everything that happens to us, we are given some agency in some aspects of life - and good therapy and he...
Best of 2026 | How Gratitude Can Quiet Your Anxiety (Plus Reclaimed Beanies & Going to Movies)
"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears." - Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s… so anxiety has been around for a while. In this episode of Talk About That, we talk about fear and worry - is there a way to get better at worry? Can we worry less in 2025? Is that a resolution we can keep? Listen in to our conversation about gratitude and actively looking for the good in the world as an antidote for anxiety.
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Thermostat Rules, Banned Scooters, and Childish Things
John can't sleep unless there’s noise and tries to remember math so he can help with his daughter's homework. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost has a heat stroke at a stranger's house in Phoenix and reveals what the "I've fallen and can't get up" lady was paid for her iconic commercial performance.
Plus, a conversation about childlike wonder, and fighting the tendency to project our own cynicism onto God.
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Guilt Trips, Fake Cakes, and Cowboy Presidents
The boys are joined by dear friend and documentary producer Alyson Holland to talk about her new project on Ronald Reagan. John forgets what generation he is in and ponders the last time we had Aly as a guest and almost burned their friendship to the ground.
Meanwhile, Jonnie decides he is exactly as famous as he ever wants to be and wonders whether the world’s longest hotdog was even edible.
Plus, a discussion about a timely quote from the late Tim Keller about the gospel.
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Hometowns, Angry Birds, and Folk Music: with Caleb Christopher Edwards!
John forgets the lyrics to his own song and reveals his earliest childhood memory. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders "very special episodes" of 80's sitcoms that dealt with heavy issues and tells the tale of the heroic birds who ruined Hitler's Olympic Games in Berlin.
Plus, the boys are joined by their good friend, singer/songwriter Caleb Christopher Edwards, to talk about his brand new project "Hoosierman: Volume II" (out now wherever you find your music.)
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Butterfly Kisses, Damaged Guitars, and The Best Revenge
John changes his mind on a cheesy 90's song now that he's a girl dad and ponders whether aliens are real. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals the commercial jingle that makes him homicidal and tells the insane story of the last bareknuckle boxing match.
Plus, a conversation about friends, enemies, and the best revenge.
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Old Athletes, Walmart, and Criticism
John plays basketball against some teenagers and finds out that George Lucas was just making Star Wars up as he went along. Meanwhile, Jonnie evicts his uninvited bird guests and complains about fast food prices like an old man shouting at the clouds.
Plus, a conversation about why negativity is so easy and why hope takes courage.
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Filibusters, IKEA Statues, & Justice
John passes a class without ever opening the textbook and ponders whether he used to preach too long. Meanwhile, Jonnie wonders if train travel is really safe and tells the story of a gift from France that came unassembled—and the strange political path it took to become our symbol of freedom.
Plus, a conversation about justice, greatness, and the responsibility we have to one another.
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Andre The Giant, Ice Cream Etiquette, and Old Friends
John does the work of 3 grown men and learns why Benjamin Franklin was a lot like Andre the Giant. Meanwhile, Jonnie eats the last ice cream bar while out on tour with another comedian and tells the tale of the Satanic Panic that helped start the Black Plague in the 1200’s.
Plus, a conversation about why it's so hard to make new friends as adults.
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Flying Rolls, Young Elvis, and Coincidences
John avoids flying bread and questions whether the Apostle Paul was easy to get along with. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders his comedy origin story and tells the tale of the unfamous third man to walk on the moon.
Plus, a conversation about coincidence, providence, and all the things we thought we wanted, but are glad we didn't get.
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Theme Parks, Featherless Chickens, and Compromise
John wants his friends to be honest, even if it hurts—and gets hungry hearing about a tornado in England. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns exactly how many roller coasters it takes to make him nauseous and makes a joke at a "General Baptist" convention.
Plus, a conversation about whether compromise is always a bad thing.
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Scary Teens, Terminators, & Persistent Prayers
John is terrified of youth (even though he was a youth pastor) and congratulates Jonnie on his symmetrical face wounds. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals the surprising star who was rejected for the lead role in the original Terminator movie and tells the tale of Fred Turner, the man who walked across America.
Plus, a conversation about asking, seeking, and knocking—and why our persistence in prayer sometimes matters more than the prayer itself.
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Broken Noses, Big Macs, and Trusting God
John goes on a fast to get ready for his time on camera and makes a staunch defense of green peppers. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the harrowing tale of a gnarly scooter crash that temporarily derailed his comedy tour, but might have actually improved his nose.
Plus, a conversation about what "good" really means and why God is trustworthy, but not predictable.
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THROWBACK EPISODE: Dog Training, Confused Emus, and Better Forgiveness
This week, take a walk down memory lane from our October 17, 2024 episode where John gets played by his own dog and ponders a replacement for smart phones. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns about pandas who fake pregnancy and how Abe Lincoln got body-shamed by an 11-year old girl.
Plus, a conversation about forgiveness and grace as a habitual act.
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Santa Conventions, Lottery Scams, and Mercy
John makes sermon illustrations about soda and hosts a Santa convention at the church. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells the story of Elmo testifying before Congress and wonders if police dogs know that they're cops.
Plus, a conversation about mercy and sin—and why our perspective of how God sees us is so important.
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DVDs, Meeting Your Heroes, and Ragamuffins
John can't find the remote until he finds his glasses and defends his love of McDonald's. Meanwhile, Jonnie feels old after a conversation with a young comedian and tells the story of the time Winnie the Pooh went on trial for assault in the 80’s.
Plus, a conversation about the late great author and theologian Brennan Manning and what it means to be a "Ragamuffin.”
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April Fools, Pseudonyms, and Noisy Gongs
John prepares for his "Super Bowl" and adds a middle initial to his books. Meanwhile Jonnie channels his inner Chris Farley for a church skit and tells the tale of the Spaghetti Tree Hoax.
Plus, a conversation about love and the gospel—and why how we present it shows whether or not we really have it.
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Being “Cool,” Distracted Driving, and Humility
John dreams of a month-long train ride and tries not to embarrass himself in front of a Christian music legend. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a flat tire in the weirdest way possible and reveals the strange history of Super Glue.
Plus, a conversation about humility and how we are being shaped by the difficulties in our lives.
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Sneeze Limits, St. Patrick, and Good Graces
John wishes his girls would get ready faster and writes a children's book about a fish. Meanwhile, Jonnie think March has the most violent holidays, and reveals why he never liked The Power Team.
Plus, a conversation about how we think God sees us and why it really matters.
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Spooky Houses, Old Pillows, and Leadership
John rents a haunted AirBnB and ponders podcasting from his deathbed. Meanwhile, Jonnie tries to be a better listener and discovers the terrifying reason he likes hotel pillows.
Plus, a conversation about what real leadership is… and what it isn't.
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Dog Mayors, Hockey, and Fools
John has no idea how ice hockey works and ponders if a cat could get elected mayor. Meanwhile, Jonnie wonders if a big butt helps you or hurts you with a hula hoop and tells the creepy story of the first chiropractor.
Plus, a conversation about oversimplification and why critical thinking is more rare than ever.
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TSA Violations, Tebow, Kid Bank Robbers, and Hope
John tries to sneak a knife onto a plane and aims fireworks at his friends. Meanwhile, Jonnie meets Tim Tebow and tells the story of the time the Pope influenced an entire generation to sip the "Devils Drink.”
Plus, a conversation about looking for the good in the world and getting more vulnerable with age.
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Winter Olympics, Flying Cows, and Boundaries
Today on Talk About That, John opts out of the Multiverse and goes full "Analog Dad Mode" on a road trip. Meanwhile, Jonnie can't slow down on skis and tells us about the time a cow was milked in mid-air.
Plus, a conversation about healthy boundaries and how most people don't come to God until they come to the end of themselves.
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Pro Wrestling, Weird Statues, and Obstinate Christians
John learns the difference between further and farther, and tells us "how the sausage is made". Meanwhile, Jonnie visits a town with the strangest monument ever and gets invited to a pro wrestling event in Texas.
Plus, a conversation about skepticism, doubt, and the death of expertise.
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Cootie Catchers, Honey Buns, and Submission
John preaches in a beanie and finds a luxurious toilet. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost shatters his windshield, and argues against the need for trees.
Plus, a conversation about prayer & lamentation and why it's less about changing God's mind and more about changing our mindset about God.
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Broken Trees, 6-7, and Sins of the Flesh
John wonders if trees are weaker in the South and prepares for Y2K with his dad. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders getting a taser and thinks Groucho Marx would've loved the new "6-7" craze.
Plus, a conversation about the sins that upset humans the most, and whether they are the ones God is focused on.
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Snow-mageddon, Stolen Cable, and Legacy
John has extreme generator FOMO as the big winter storm approaches and hopes his robot bed doesn't become self aware. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets bougie in the movie theater and tells us about the time two nuclear bombs were accidentally dropped on North Carolina.
Plus, a conversation about life, death, and the legacy we hope to leave in between.
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Opening Acts, Monkey Co-hosts, and Certainty
John flies on a private jet and gets ignored by young people. Meanwhile, Jonnie uses two high schoolers as his opening act and invents a historical new drink.
Plus, a conversation about Rage Bait and why politics can never bring us true freedom.
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Farming, Mediocrity, and Trust
John listens to one of his daughter's favorite podcasts and ponders why someone would want to buy Hitler's old car.
Meanwhile, Jonnie resolves to be mediocre in 2026 and tells us how both President Bushes had embarrassing moments exactly 10 years apart.
Plus, a conversation about not losing hope when a season of life ends, and the importance of trusting God.
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<...Movie Adaptations, “Justified” Shoplifting, and Vice
John finally gets into reading fiction, but hates it when the movie ends different than the book. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a random Venmo from a listener who is trying to keep him out of jail and tells the story of the time left-handed polo players got banned.
Plus, a conversation about vices, neighbors, and the advantages of failing in private.
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Fake Trees, Illegal Christmas, and Greatness
John brings glowsticks to church and the crowd goes wild. Meanwhile, Jonnie rides in the back of a truck in January with a 300 lb television and tells the tale of Grandfather Frost.
Plus, a conversation about the dangers in striving for greatness and why we’re really happiest when we make our life about other people.
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SPECIAL Christmas Compilation Episode!
John and Jonnie bring you past clips from some of their favorite holiday moments of the podcast over the years.
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Aluminum Trees, Bad Candy, and Synthetic Connection
John reveals his least favorite candy and learns what beloved TV special killed the aluminum Christmas tree industry. Meanwhile, Jonnie has lunch with some comedian pals and tells the tale of the Pet Rock craze of the 1970s.
Plus, a conversation about red flags, toxic people, and how weaponized “therapy talk” has led to a loneliness epidemic.
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