Geoeconomic Competition

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By: Francesca Ghiretti

Welcome to "Geoeconomic Competition", a thought-provoking podcast diving deep into the intricacies of geoeconomics. In each episode, Francesca Ghiretti engages with other economic security and geoeconomics experts to navigate the intricate and often hidden manoeuvres of economic security and of global economic power plays. From the growing set of policies to the changes in globalisation, we explore how countries leverage their economic strengths, engage in trade wars, and form strategic alliances to gain geopolitical advantages. Logo by Daniele Saccani

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Broken China with Logan Wright
#58
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China's economic miracle is over — so what now? Francesca Ghiretti sits down with Logan Wright, author of Broken China: How the Economic Miracle Shattered and What It Means for the World, to unpack why the slowdown runs deeper than most assume, why there is no quick fix, and why betting on tech won't save Beijing. Plus, what a weaker China means for Europe and the world.

Find the book here: https://www.politybooks.com/bookdetail?book_slug=broken-china-how-the-economic-miracle-shattered-and-what-it-means-for-the-world--9781509570676

Logan's related Foreign Affairs article: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/china/chinas-moment-weakness

Francesca's Foreign Affairs article: ht...


Special Episode - Trade Deficits and Growing EU-China Tensions (repost of CSIS Trade Off)
#57
08/18/2026

In this episode of The Trade Off, CSIS Economics Program Director Philip Luck sits down with Francesca Ghiretti, director of the RAND Economic Security and Resilience Initiative and CSIS Economics Program non-resident senior associate, to unpack growing EU–China trade tensions, Europe’s evolving economic security approach, and what recent trade disputes mean for the future of the economic relationship.

Full webcast: https://www.csis.org/events/trade-deficits-and-growing-eu-china-tensions


Special Episode - What is Economic Security?
#56
07/29/2026

This is a repost by Geoeconomic Competition of Trade-Off, the podcast of DG Trade and Economic Security at the European Commission (https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/trade-podcast_en). So this time, the host is Brian Talty, and your usual host, Francesca Ghiretti, is a guest, together with Denis Redonnet, Deputy Director-General at DG Trade and Economic Security and Rene Summer, Director of Government and policy Advocacy at Ericsson.

Trade isn't just about tariffs—it's about trust. This episode of Trade-Off explores how Europe can stay open while reducing vulnerabilities, and why economic security is about resilience, no...


Beyond Big Tech: Inside the European Quest for the Tech Stack with Cristina Caffarra
#55
07/17/2026

What is "EuroStack," and where does Europe actually stand in the global tech race? In this episode, Francesca Ghiretti hosts Cristina Caffarra, prominent competition economist and one of the most influential voices in European tech policy, to call out Europe's real strengths and hard dependencies, and ask what it would take to build more independence and growth. A clear-eyed look at digital sovereignty and whether Europe can pull it off.


Brussels vs Beijing: Inside the Trade Standoff with Finbarr Bermingham
#54
07/02/2026

On the 18th of June, EU leaders met to discuss "macroeconomic imbalances" aka China and tasked the Commission to design a new instrument and a solidrity measure. On the 29th of June, Commissioner for Trade and Economic Security Maroš Šefčovič met with the PRC Minister of Commerce Wang Wentao and agreed on a dialogue with four worstreams (trade and investments imbalances, export controls, IP rights, and WTO reform) with an October deadline for results. All of the above on a climate of growing tensions between the EU and China regarding trade imbalances (among other things) and the possibility of a...


How Technological Progress Happens (and Ends) with Carl Benedikt Frey
#53
06/04/2026

In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti speaks with Carl Benedikt Frey, Dieter Schwarz Associate Professor of AI & Work at the Oxford Internet Institute, Fellow of Mansfield College, University of Oxford. The episode explores the role of AI in international competition. The conversation covers how innovation and diffusion play different roles in national competitiveness, and offers a frank assessment of how the US, China, and Europe are each positioning themselves in the race for AI leadership.


What does the Trump-Xi meeting mean for Europe with Noah Barkin
#52
05/27/2026

In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti speaks with Noah Barkin, Senior Advisor at Rhodium Group about the outcome of the Trump-Xi summit and especially, the implications for Europe. Is Europe collateral damage or the ongoing (precarious) stabilisation process bring advantages for Europe too? What does it mean for the de-risking agenda?


What Neo-royalism means for Europe and the World with Abe Newman
#51
05/13/2026

In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti speaks with Abraham Newman, Professor at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service and co-author together with Stecis Goddard, Betty Freyhof Johnson ‘44 Professor of Political Science and Associate Provost for Wellesley in the World, of Further Back to the Future: Neo-Royalism, the Trump Administration, and the Emerging International System. The episode unpacks neo-royalism and its implications for Europe and the world. What is neo-royalism and how is it reshaping global politics? How does this trend affect Europe's strategic positioning? What does the rise of neo-royalism mean for the future of geoeconomic competition an...


Short - China's Supply Chain Security Law and Anti-Extraterritoriality Law
#52
05/12/2026

In this quick 10 minutes episode, Francesca Ghiretti unpacks China's State Council Decree Number 834: the Regulations on Industrial and Supply Chain Security, and Decree Number 835: the Regulations on Countering Foreign Improper Extraterritorial Jurisdiction. Why are these law so important? And what are the main elements we should pay attention to?


What to expect from the Trump-Xi Summit with Wendy Cutler
#51
05/06/2026

In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti speaks with Wendy Cutler, Vice President of the Asia Society Policy Institute, about the upcoming Trump-Xi summit. What are the key issues likely to dominate the agenda? How might the summit reshape the trajectory of US-China trade tensions? What would a successful outcome look like for both sides? And what could be the implications for the rest of the world?


"Buy (with) Europe" and the Industrial Accelerator Act with Sander Tordoir
#50
04/10/2026

In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti speaks with Sander Tordoir, Chief Economist at the Centre for European Reform, about the EU Industrial Accelerator Act and "Buy European". What are the key elements of the Industrial Accelerator Act? How does Buy European aim to promote European competitiveness and resilience? What do these initiatives tell us about the EU's shift toward a more assertive industrial policy?


The 15th Five Year Plan with Jost Wuebbeke
#49
03/26/2026

In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti speaks with Dr. Jost Wßbbeke is Managing Partner at Sinolytics, about the content of China's 15th Five Year Plan (2026-203). What are the new priorities? Does the plan tackles some of China's economic challenges? What about consumption? What does the plan tell us about the trajectory of China's tech self-reliance? 


What's next for EU-India? with Garima Mohan
#48
02/27/2026

In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti speaks with Garima Mohan, Senior Fellow in the Indo-Pacific Program at GMF, about the future of the EU–India agreement and what it reveals about shifting geoeconomic priorities. The conversation explores the details of the EU-India FTA and the future of the relationship as Brussels and New Delhi deepen engagement amid global economic competition.


The Critical Minerals Game with Cory Combs
#47
02/19/2026

In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti speaks with Cory Combs, Associate Director at Trivium, about the intensifying global competition over critical minerals and the strategic responses taking shape in Washington and beyond. The conversation explores how US policy is evolving, how allies are aligning - or diverging - and what this means for China’s central role in global mineral supply chains and the future of economic security.


Redefining European Economic Security with François Chimits
#46
02/12/2026

How is the European Union redefining economic security in an era of geopolitical tension? In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti sits down with François Chimits, Head of the Europe Program at Institut Montaigne, to examine the EU’s progress, its strategic direction, and the challenges it still must overcome.


Will the RMB become the next Global Reserve Currency? With Gerard DiPippo
#45
02/09/2026

At the end of January 2026, Qiushi published a 2024 speech by Xi Jinping that, among other themes, underscored the strategic importance of having a global reserve currency. In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Gerard DiPippo breaks down China’s evolving ambitions for an internationalised renminbi, and how realistic Beijing’s ambitions are.


Do we need manufacturing? with Chris Miller
#44
01/27/2026

Europe and the US are racing to bring manufacturing back home - but should they be? Inspired by an article from The Economist, Chris Miller, Professor of International History at Tufts’ Fletcher School and author of Chip War, digs into the real economic benefits of manufacturing. We unpack why policymakers are so keen on factories, whether manufacturing still delivers meaningful gains in jobs and growth, and what it might mean for advanced economies to fully embrace a service-led future.


Can Chinese investments in European BEV become genuine engines of growth? with Agnes Szunomar
#43
01/14/2026

With the EU and China reaching price undertakings on Chinese EV imports, this episode features Ágnes Szunomár, Associate Professor at Corvinus University of Budapest, to unpack the scale, motives, and consequences of Chinese investment in Europe’s BEV sector. The discussion probes whether Chinese investments in the sector can become genuine growth poles for European supply chains or remain technologically self-contained enclaves. We examine what Europe gains in terms of strategic know how, industrial competitiveness, and market share. Finally, we assess how these developments reshape Europe’s economic dependencies and strategic autonomy in the green transition.



What will China's anti-involution campaign (not) solve with Yanmei Xie
#42
12/30/2025

In the final 2025 episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Yanmei Xie tackles the big questions behind China’s anti-involution campaign. What distinguishes involution from overcapacity, and why does that distinction matter? Why is China’s overcapacity treated as a  problem when similar conditions elsewhere are not? And can the anti-involution drive meaningfully address China’s economic challenges? Finally, could it ease some of the core tensions between China and the EU?


What is the Reparation Loan and Why it matters so much with Lucas Guttenberg
#41
12/17/2025

On the 18th of December, the leaders of the EU will discuss the much debated reparation loan, a proposal to use the frozen Russian assets to finance the Ukrainian war effort. In this episode, Lucas Guttenberg, Director of the programme Europes Future at Bertelsmann Stiftung unpacks what the reparation loan is, how it works and why this decision is so important for Europe.


The future of IEEPA tariffs with Geoffrey Gertz
#40
11/11/2025

On 5 November, the Supreme Court of the United States heard oral argument on the use of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) by Donald Trump to impose sweeping tariffs. The decision, which is expected in the next few months, will determine the future of both Fentanyl tariffs as well as Liberation Day tariffs. The decision, however, will have much wider and deeper implications for Trump's wider approach to trade as well as the functioning of check and balances in the United States. Francesca Ghiretti unpacks the story with Geoffrey Gertz is a senior fellow with the Energy, Economics...


What's going on with Nexperia with Judith Huismans
#30
11/07/2025

In October, the Dutch government took over Nexperia, a Dutch chip maker owned by the Chinese Wingtech. The initial and main reason for the takeover was bad management. In the meantime, tensions between The Netherlands and China have escalated, a Chinese delegation visited Brussels and Trump and Xi met. To understand why this is so important and what is happening with Nexperia, Francesca Ghiretti has a chat with Juidth Huismans, Research Leader at RAND Europe's The Hague office. 


Deep Dive: What to expect from China's 15th Five Year Plan with Gerard DiPippo
#29
10/31/2025

The 4th Plenum unveiled information about what to expect from China's 15th Five Year Plan (March 2026). Francesca Ghiretti chats with Gerard DiPippo, an Associate Director, RAND China Research Center and expert in China's economy to analyse what we can expect, clarify key point and untangle contradictions. 


Deep Dive: China's Export Controls with Rebecca Arcesati
#28
10/24/2025

This episode is a deep dive into the details of the development of China's export controls, from 2022 to the updates of October 2025. Rebecca Arcesati is Lead Analyst, in the Science, Technology and Innovation Programme at MERICS. 


The Key is Heavy Rare Earths with Jason Bedford
#27
10/21/2025

Francesca Ghiretti speaks with Jason Bedford, Visiting Senior Research Fellow at the East Asian Institute, National University of Singapore. In his paper RARE EARTHS AND INDUSTRY: WHY DEPENDENCE ON CHINA ENDURES, Jason explores the details of China's REE leverage. In this episode, we unpack why the difference between heavy and light REE matters and stands at heart of China's ability to impose painful export controls. 


Apologies for the audio quality, I had a cold.


The importance of migration for European competitiveness with Alberto Rizzi
#26
09/30/2025

In this episode, Francesca Ghiretti hosts Alberto Rizzi, Policy Fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations' Rome office. In his policy brief "Markets, migrants, microchips: European power in a world of demographic change", he tackles an issue at the heart of European ability to compete economically. demographics. What's Europe's demographic situation? What are some best practices that exist in the world and in Europe that we should support and adopt? How important is to think about a serious and well-though migration and skilling policy? 


The Hidden Risks of Connected Vehicles with Project Lion Cage
#25
08/25/2025

In this episode, Francesca Ghiretti hosts the leader of Project Lion Cage, Tor Indstoy and Arild Tjomsland. The project "explores how everyday connected technology—such as smart vehicles and IoT systems—could be exploited in future security crises". How do connected vehicles work? What type of data they collect and where are they stored? Can these vehicles be remotely hijacked? What are mitigating measures that can be adopted?

A few highlights:

- When it comes to Chinese made EVs, 90% of data goes to China (regardless of where the vehicles operate)

- Acco...


Is the EU stuck between a rock and hard place? with Iana Dreyer
#34
08/04/2025

In this episode, Francesca Ghiretti chats with Iana Dreyer, Founder and Editor ot Borderlex, a magazine specialised in trade. With Iana, we try to understand the implications of the EU-China summit as well as the tariff "deal" between the EU and the US. We touch upon EU resilience and strategic autonomy and what are the options for the EU ahead. 


The Defence Spending-Growth Conundrum with Stuart Dee
#33
06/27/2025

In this episode, Francesca Ghiretti chats with Stuart Dee, Research Leader and co-Director of the Centre for Defence Economics and Acquisitions at RAND Europe. Stuart joined RAND after spending over a decade in industry, most recently at Rolls-Royce plc where he was involved in a number of large defence programmes including Eurofighter Typhoon, the Future Combat Air System and AUKUS.

In light of the recent NATO Summit in The Hague and the push across Europe for defence spending, the episode unpacks the relationship between defence spending and economic growth. What do we need for that relationship to...


The US-China "deal" with Reva Goujon
#32
05/29/2025

This is the third episode of the Geoeconomic Competition series on new "trade" deals. 

In this episode, Francesca Ghiretti chats with Reva Goujon, Director at Rhodium Group. What are the tariffs China and the US imposed on each other? How has the Geneva "deal" changed those tariffs? What has happened since then and what can we expect from the coming month - after the pause ends? Are some of the questions analysed in this episode


The EU-UK deal with Georgina Wright
#31
05/26/2025

This is the second episode of the Geoeconomic Competition series on new "trade" deals. 

In this episode, Francesca Ghiretti chats with Georgina Wright, special adviser to the president and senior fellow at GMF. How did we get to the EU-UK summit, what does the deal (memorandum of understanding) contain? What are its shortcomings and successes? But most importantly, what can we expect next?


The UK-US prosperity deal with Sam Lowe
#30
05/21/2025

This is the first episode of series on new "trade" deals and they are and will shape the global system. 

The UK has been the first country to strike a deal with the US after Washington imposed widespread tariffs. In this episode, Francesca Ghiretti unpack the UK-US "Prosperity Deal" its implication for the UK and what it tells about future similar deals with Sam Lowe, Partner at Flint Global and heads of trade and market access practice. 


China's response to Trump tariffs with Henry Gao
#29
04/28/2025

In this episode, Francesca is joined by Henry Gao, Professor of Law at the Singapore Management University. The episode unpacks US tariffs against China, China's response and potential future responses and the impact on global trade.


Tariffs and the EU's response with Tobias Gehrke
#28
04/15/2025

In this episode, Francesca Ghiretti chats with Tobias Gehrke, Senior Policy Fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) and an expert in European economic security. The episode unpacks US tariffs agains the EU, EU response and potential future response and what may be in the EU's playbook.


The EU Green Industrial Plan with Simone Tagliapietra
#28
04/01/2025

The episode unpacks the EU Green Industrial Plan, Francesca is joined by Simone Tagliapietra, Senior fellow at Bruegel and Professor of Energy, Climate and Environmental Policy at the Catholic University of Milan and at The Johns Hopkins University - School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) Europe. We talk about the six pillars of the plan, path to implementation, challenges and the relationship with defence industrial policy.


Trump's Economic Statecraft with Philip Luck
#27
03/12/2025

In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti talks with Philip Luck, Director of the CSIS Economics Program and Scholl Chair in International Business. He served in the Biden-Harris administration as the deputy chief economist at the U.S. Department of State. As the Trump administration keeps adopting new tariffs, we investigate what the are the main drivers of the US economic statecraft toolbox, and what may be future developments for tariffs and beyond.


The role of the super rich with Guido Alfani
#26
02/24/2025

In this special episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti talks with Guido Alfani, Professor Economic History at Bocconi University in Milan and author of "As Gods among Men. A History of the Rich in the West". As 2025 brings new challenges, this unusual episode delves in some of the key questions of our time explored in the book such as how the rich historically helped their societies in times of crisis, why they no longer do, and what that may mean for social stability. 


Implications for partners of the AI diffusion framework with Emily Kilcrease
#25
01/27/2025

In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti talks with Emily Kilcrease senior fellow and director of the Energy, Economics, and Security Program at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS), and co-host of CNAS' podcast De-risky Business. The episode dives into the details of the AI Diffusions Framework with an eye to the implication for US' partners. It unpacks the innovative elements of the framework, how they impact US partners and whether it may become a blueprint for future economic security measures.


Nippon Steel almost acquisition of US Steel with Deborah Elms
#24
01/13/2025

In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti talks with Dr. Deborah Elms, Head of Trade Policy at the Hinrich Foundation. The episode analyses the case and long adventure of Nippon Steel's acquisition of US Steel. Despite the lack of clear national security threats, the deal has been (temporarily) blocked by US President, Joe Biden. The episode analyses the importance of this case in the broader picture of how investment screening may be changing, the growing tension between national security and competitiveness and how the picture may change with the forthcoming Trump presidency.  

Link to book "Chinese i...


Let's talk about Northvolt with Cecilia Trasi
#23
12/16/2024

In this episode of Geoeconomic Competition, Francesca Ghiretti talks with Cecilia Trasi, Research Analyst at Bruegel. The episode analyses the case of Swedish battery manufacturing Northvolt. Why it was/is the big European hope in battery manufacturing? What led it to file for bankruptcy? What can Europe learn from this?