The Ordinary Doula Podcast
Welcome to The Ordinary Doula Podcast with Angie Rosier, hosted by Birth Learning. We help folks prepare for labor and birth with expertise coming from 20 years of experience in a busy doula practice, helping thousands of people prepare for labor, providing essential knowledge and tools for positive and empowering birth experiences.
E142: Two VBACs, Two Very Different Support Teams
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A provider can sound “VBAC supportive” for months, then flip the script the second you hit 40 weeks and that whiplash can change everything about how you give birth. I’m Angie Rogier, and I’m sharing two VBAC stories that happened in the same week, because nothing reveals the truth like late pregnancy decisions and the people who show up when the plan gets tested. If you’re planning a VBAC birth or even just considering it after a prior cesarean, you’ll hear exactly what support looks like when it’s real, and what it lo...
E141: A Doula’s Note To Labor Nurses
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A labor room can feel like two different worlds at once: a normal day at work for the staff, and one of the biggest, most vulnerable days of a family’s life. Angie Rosier brings 20 plus years of doula experience to a heartfelt, practical “note to labor and delivery nurses” about what patients actually need when they’re scared, overwhelmed, and trying to make decisions in real time.Â
We talk about the difference between the clinical role of an L&D nurse and the continuous, non medical role of a doula and why t...
E140: How To Use Parental Intuition In Pregnancy And Labor
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Your body is collecting data all the time. The question is whether you’ve been taught to trust it, especially when the stakes feel high in pregnancy and labor.
We dig into parental intuition and what it actually sounds like in real life: a calm inner nudge that something has changed, a sense that you should ask one more question, or a steady confidence that you can keep going. We also draw a clear line between intuition vs anxiety. Anxiety tends to spiral into worst-case scenarios fueled by external noise, while in...
E139: Baby Minimalism
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The baby industry is loud, expensive, and really good at making normal new-parent nerves feel like a shopping emergency. We slow everything down and ask a calmer question: what does a newborn truly need to be safe, fed, and cared for, and what can you confidently skip without guilt?
We talk through baby minimalism in a practical, real-life way, shaped by years of doula work with thousands of families. You’ll hear why marketing leans on emotions like fear, excitement, and vulnerability, and how that pressure shows up when you’re buil...
E138: What Happens In Immediate Postpartum Recovery?
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Labor gets all the prep, but the first hours after birth can be the biggest shock. We’re talking about that immediate postpartum stretch, the minutes and early recovery window when you’re holding your baby and everyone around you suddenly starts doing a whole new set of tasks. If you’ve ever thought, “Wait, I thought I was done,” you’re not alone.
We break down what’s actually happening in the room: delivering the placenta, monitoring postpartum bleeding and estimated blood loss, checking vitals, and making sure your uterus is contracting...
E137: C-Section Feelings
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A C-section can save lives and still break your heart a little and pretending that’s a contradiction is where so many parents get stuck. I’m Angie Rosier, and today I’m getting honest about the feelings we carry around cesarean birth: the fear, the disappointment, the relief, the gratitude, and the grief that can all show up at once. If you’ve ever wondered why one person says “Let’s do this” and another feels devastated by the exact same outcome, we unpack what’s underneath that gap.
We talk through wha...
E136: The 50-Mile Birth Mindset
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Fifty miles on foot sounds like a birthday stunt until you’re deep in the dark hours, doing the mental math, managing fatigue, and realizing the hardest part is simply continuing. That’s why I’m sharing a personal story that surprised me: training for and attempting a 50-mile walk instantly brought me back to what my clients experience in labor, especially when they’re preparing for an unmedicated birth and trying to hold onto confidence when conditions are not ideal.Â
We talk about what “preparation” really means, and why perfection is a trap. Pr...
E135: Pumping At Work
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If you’re heading back to work and trying to keep breastfeeding going, you already know the truth nobody puts on the checklist: pumping can feel like a whole second shift. We sit down and get specific about how to make pumping at work doable, including what to plan before your first day back, how to protect your milk supply during long separations, and how to handle the emotional mix of relief, grief, excitement, and guilt that can all show up at once.
We walk through what the law actually supports fo...
E134: You Can Be Scared and Still Be Ready
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You don’t wake up one morning and casually run a marathon, so why do we expect ourselves to “just figure out” labor when it starts? Today I’m sharing a simple comparison that’s helped countless families in my doula practice: childbirth is a big physical event, and the way you prepare for it looks a lot like training for an endurance challenge. The goal isn’t to control every detail. The goal is to walk into birth feeling supported, informed, and steady, even when you’re nervous.Â
We talk about the built...
E133: Birthplace Choices
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The loudest voices online will tell you there’s only one “right” way to give birth and that anything else is unsafe, uninformed, or unempowered. We don’t buy that. We want to slow the whole debate down and talk about what actually matters when you’re choosing a birthplace: safety, trust, support, and the kind of information that fits your real life.Â
We walk through the full range of options in plain language, including free birth (unassisted birth), birth center birth, planned home birth with a midwife and transfer plan, and planned...
E132: How To Use Insurance For Lactation Support
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You can do everything “right” and still end up dreading the next feed. Breastfeeding challenges like a painful latch, nipple damage, low supply worries, slow weight gain, engorgement, mastitis, pumping overwhelm, and bottle refusal can show up fast and knock your confidence sideways. We want you to know something simple and powerful: lactation help is often closer and more affordable than you think, because many insurance plans cover professional lactation services.
We walk through what lactation support can look like across the whole feeding journey, from prenatal lactation consultations to postpartum home...
E131: How to Get Doula Services Covered By Insurance
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Most people assume a doula is automatically an out-of-pocket expense, and that assumption quietly blocks a lot of families from getting the support they want during pregnancy, labor, birth, and postpartum. We dig into what is finally changing, why it is changing, and how you can find out whether you already have doula insurance coverage through your employer, a private plan, or Medicaid.
We walk through the real reasons insurance companies and employers are paying attention to doula care: research-backed improvements like lower cesarean rates, fewer costly interventions, and higher satisfaction...
E130: Postpartum Hemorrhage Basics
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Postpartum bleeding is expected, but postpartum hemorrhage is a different conversation, and it is one every parent deserves to understand before they are tired, sore, and trying to figure out what “too much” even means. We walk through what normal blood loss can look like after birth, why it often appears worse than it is, and the real thresholds clinicians use when they are watching for danger.
We get practical about the why: uterine atony (a soft, boggy uterus that is not contracting), retained placenta or fragments, tissue trauma like lacerations, and...
E129: Postpartum Pelvic Floor Reset with Dr. Kasia Unes
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You get nine months to prepare, one day to give birth, and then a lifetime of “wait, is this normal?” questions. We sit down with pelvic floor physical therapist Dr. Kasha Unes from Reborn in Utah to make postpartum recovery feel clearer, more practical, and a lot less isolating. If you’ve ever wondered when you can start pelvic floor PT, what’s safe before the six-week visit, or why your body feels totally different after delivery, this conversation is for you.
We dig into postpartum pelvic health basics that actually change o...
E128: Pelvic Floor Prep For Pregnancy with Dr. Kasia Unes
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Pregnancy can feel like a nonstop stream of “Is this normal?” and too many people get brushed off when they bring up pain, pressure, leaking, or pelvic heaviness. We sit down with pelvic floor physical therapist Kasha Unes to break down what pelvic floor physical therapy actually looks like during pregnancy and why it can help even before any symptoms show up. Think prevention through posture, body mechanics, breathing, relaxation, and strength, not just a quick fix when things get unbearable.
We get specific about the problems we hear most often: scia...
E127: Understanding Epidurals
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Epidurals get talked about like a scoreboard, and that mindset can steal your peace before labor even starts. I want a calmer, clearer conversation one that treats pain relief as a tool, not a test of strength, and helps you build a labor pain management plan you can actually live with when things get real.Â
From my lens as a doula with more than 20 years in a busy practice, we walk through what an epidural is (and how it differs from a spinal or a combined spinal epidural), why today’s epi...
E126: Hatched & Latched - What Can We Learn from Mother Birds?
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A business name change shouldn’t feel emotional, but this one does. After more than 20 years supporting thousands of families through pregnancy, labor, birth, breastfeeding, and postpartum life, I’m stepping into a new “face” for my work: Hatched and Latched. The name ties together the moment a baby arrives and the moment feeding begins, and it better reflects how families experience the transition into parenthood as one connected story, not a set of separate appointments.
To explain why I chose it, I go somewhere unexpected: birds. Mother ducks, geese, and other bi...
E125: Retiring My Old Birth Bag
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A doula bag is like a time capsule of real births: the tools that help, the “just in case” items you never touch, and the tiny comforts that keep you steady at 3 a.m. Today we’re doing something oddly emotional and surprisingly useful, retiring my oldest birth bag after hundreds and hundreds of births and unpacking what’s actually inside.
I share the simple gear that supports labor in real life, not in a perfect checklist fantasy. We talk through the binder of prenatal handouts, the visual models that help families...
E124: Pregnancy Prep in the Age of Social Media
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Your pregnancy feed can make you feel prepared, or completely panicked, and the difference often has less to do with you and more to do with what the algorithm keeps serving next. We talk about how social media has changed childbirth education, from the genuinely helpful parts (free access to educators, visuals of labor positions, and support communities) to the stuff that quietly warps expectations (fear-based stories, extreme outcomes, and nonstop comparison).
We dig into why doom scrolling during pregnancy is so common, how rare events get amplified until they feel “no...
E123: Your Everyday Stress Response Shows Up In Labor
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Labor has a way of turning your everyday stress habits up to full volume. So before we talk about the “perfect” birth plan, we zoom out and ask something more revealing: when your day goes sideways, what do you actually do? I walk through two questions I use with my doula clients to quickly understand how a pregnant person and their partner respond to frustration, surprises, and uncertainty, because those default patterns often show up in the birth room.
We start with the small stuff, the traffic jam moments, the work disr...
E122: Your Body and Your Baby Communicate Through Hormones In Labor
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Birth can look like a simple sequence of contractions and dilation, but underneath it all is a powerful hormone conversation between parent and baby. We pull back the curtain on the hormone dance of birth, focusing on oxytocin and cortisol, plus the adrenaline surge that shows up when labor gets real. With two bodies working as one system, the chemistry matters, and it explains so much about why labor can feel smooth one moment and overwhelming the next.Â
We talk through what oxytocin actually does in physiologic labor, why it supports e...
E121: Mother’s Day: Childbirth Changes You Even When No One Sees It
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Strength doesn’t always look like a highlight reel. Sometimes it looks like breathing through one more contraction, waiting through uncertainty, feeding a newborn on no sleep, or walking into the NICU with a body that’s still healing and a heart that’s carrying more than anyone can see.
With Mother’s Day close by, we reflect on the deep, often invisible power of childbearing and motherhood. We talk about the kind of strength that isn’t loud or performative, but steady, grounded, and life-changing. From the slow build of pregnancy...
E120: What If Messy Breastfeeding Is Normal
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Breastfeeding can look like a sunlit photo shoot online and feel like a complicated midnight puzzle in real life. We’re naming that gap without shame. If you’ve ever wondered why it isn’t coming “naturally,” why your baby pops on and off, why you’re stuck in endless cluster feeding, or why you’re Googling in the dark with tears on your face, you’re not alone and you’re not doing it wrong.
We dig into why so many parents in the United States don’t grow up seeing much breastfe...
E119: My Birth Stories Part 2
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Water breaks at 7:30 a.m. and you think, “Lunch time baby.” Then the hours crawl by, your house is spotless, everyone is waiting, and you start doing the mental math of a possible transfer. I’m Angie Roger, and I’m finishing my personal birth stories with the two home births that reshaped my understanding of what support really means, especially when life is already full of kids, work, and big feelings.
I share what it was like to move from hospital births to a planned home birth with a conservative, experien...
E118: My Birth Stories Part 1
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Birth stories can turn into life stories fast, and I’ve realized mine explain more about my work than any resume ever could. I’m Angie Rosier, and I’m finally sharing the first three births that shaped me, not as perfect highlight reels, but as honest, complicated, empowering hospital labors that taught me what support really means.
We start with my first pregnancy in the late 90s: intense nausea while working and finishing college, picking an OB for all the wrong reasons, and taking a hospital childbirth class that makes me fee...
E117: Precipitous Birth
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Labor stories go viral when a baby is born in a car or a bathroom, but the real question is what it feels like from the inside, and what you can do to be ready if it happens to you. I’m talking about precipitous birth, also known as precipitous labor or rapid labor, where everything compresses into a short window and the body goes from “maybe” to “right now” with almost no lead time. It can be awe-inspiring, overwhelming, or both, and it deserves more nuance than “lucky you, it was fast.”
I wal...
E116: Perinatal Mental Health Basics with Sadie Clark
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The moment a baby arrives, your brain and body change fast and not always in the ways you expected. I sit down with perinatal mental health therapist Sadie Clark to name what so many parents feel but struggle to say out loud: mood shifts can start in pregnancy, the baby blues have a real timeline, and “pushing through” is not the same thing as doing well.
We dig into the practical side of postpartum mental health, including how sleep deprivation affects nearly every condition, why motivation tanks when you are running on e...
E115: Essential Oils For Labor
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Your birth room has a “vibe,” and sometimes the fastest way to change it is through something you can’t even see: scent. I’m Angie Roger, and I’m sharing a grounded, real-world take on essential oils for labor and birth. No miracle claims, no fearmongering just how I use aromatherapy as an optional comfort tool that can support relaxation, focus, and a sense of safety while you do the real work of labor.
We talk about why the sense of smell is such a direct line to emotion and memory thr...
E114: Pitocin 101
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Pitocin gets talked about like a simple switch that “makes contractions stronger,” but the real story is more human and more nuanced. We unpack what Pitocin actually is (synthetic oxytocin), why it’s used so often in hospitals, and how its steady IV delivery can create a very different labor experience than the pulsed, feedback-driven oxytocin your brain releases during physiologic birth.
We walk through the three most common moments Pitocin shows up: induction when labor hasn’t started, augmentation when labor stalls, and postpartum care to prevent or treat bleeding. From the...
E113: Tips to Avoiding a C-Section
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One number quietly shapes a lot of birth experiences: the cesarean section rate. When about one in three US babies is born by C-section, it raises a big question for anyone planning a birth: how many of those surgeries are truly necessary, and what can we do to lower the odds of an avoidable one without turning birth into a battle plan?
I walk through the real factors that push C-section rates up or down, starting with the two choices that often matter most: your provider and your birth setting. We...
E112: Low Milk Supply
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The first days of feeding can feel like a maze: a sleepy newborn, an empty‑looking pump bottle, and a mind full of what‑ifs. We pull the fog back with clear ways to spot true low milk supply, from weight trends and diaper counts to weighted feeds and hunger cues, then map out what to do next without judgment or panic.
We walk through the twin pillars of milk production—effective milk removal and consistent stimulation—and show how small shifts add up: deepening latch and positioning, feeding 9–10 times in 24 hours, add...
E111: Why I Love Being A Doula
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We share an unscripted reflection on why doula work still moves us after thousands of births, from client connection to teamwork with nurses and midwives. The talk traces a path from personal beginnings to professional neutrality, and why value often lives beyond metrics.
• shifting from personal lens to professional neutrality
• building trust with clients across many styles of birth
• supporting partners with practical, tailored involvement
• finding community with doulas and birth workers
• witnessing human strength, fear and triumph in labor
• collaborating with nurses, midwives and physicians
• balanc...
E110: How Community Milk Sharing Bridges Feeding Gaps
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Ever wonder how families bridge the gap when milk supply lags, a baby struggles to transfer, or adoption and prematurity change the feeding plan? We take you inside the world of human milk sharing—what it is, why families choose it, and how to do it safely—while honoring every parent’s comfort level and goals. Drawing on two decades in a busy doula and lactation practice, we share stories that show what’s possible: an oversupply helping a post-cesarean parent through the first days, a short-term donor stash supporting therapy for a weak suc...
E109: Prepare, Stay Open, Find Power In Any Path
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Birth keeps us honest. Patterns suggest what might happen, then a baby turns face-first or a parent breathes through transition so quietly the room barely moves. We walk through three recent stories—a first-time labor that stretched across days and ended in a necessary cesarean for a face presentation, a second birth that unfolded with calm, self-directed pushing and an immediate skin-to-skin latch, and a third journey where an early epidural became the right tool at the right time. Different routes, same core pursuit: safety, dignity, and agency.
We dig into wh...
E108: Why Chiropractic Care Helps Labor Feel Smoother with Dr Kristina Kill
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Birth doesn’t have to feel like a sprint against the clock or a battle with your own body. Angie sits down with Dr. Kristina Kill, a family wellness chiropractor with 22 years of experience, to unpack how alignment and nervous system clarity can make pregnancy more comfortable and labor more efficient. We go beyond the “aches are normal” script and look at pain as useful feedback, then explore how gentle, specific chiropractic care helps the uterus do its job and the pelvis move the way it was designed.
We break down the po...
E107: Building Better Black Maternal Health with Hakima Payne
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Birth should feel safe, familiar, and centered on the family—yet too often the system delivers the opposite. We sit down with nurse, doula, educator, and Uzazi Village founder Hakima Payne to trace how personal experience scales into community clinics, data-driven policy, and a blueprint for culturally rooted prenatal care. From the early days when “doula” wasn’t a household word to today’s Medicaid reimbursement wins, Hakima shares what’s changed, what stalled, and what’s getting worse for Black maternal and infant health.
Together we unpack the difference between doulas and mid...
E106: Morning Sickness, Made Understandable
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Nausea that won’t quit can turn early pregnancy into a maze of guesswork, guilt, and survival tactics. We’re pulling that experience into the light with a clear look at what drives “morning” sickness, why it rarely sticks to mornings, and how to find practical relief that respects your limits. Drawing on years of doula care and personal trial and error, we map the spectrum—from everyday nausea to hyperemesis gravidarum—so you can recognize red flags early and get the right support.
We talk through real-world strategies that fit into a busy...
E105: Complete Childbirth Prep vs Scrolling with Andrea Lythgoe
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The internet gives you a million opinions on birth; we give you a map. Angie sits down with veteran childbirth educator and doula Andrea Lythgoe to unpack how a thoughtful class can transform uncertainty into confidence, whether you’re planning an unmedicated birth or want to be epidural-ready. We explore what a local class adds that videos can’t: real-world insight into your birthplace, equipment practice, and the language to navigate risks, benefits, and alternatives with your care team.
Across a lively, practical conversation, we compare formats and methods so you can...
E104: From Birth Center Plans To NICU Reality
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What happens when a carefully planned birth center delivery is suddenly rerouted by preeclampsia, a hospital admission, and a 34-week induction? We sit down with Andrea and Joakim to tell the full story of Magnus’s early arrival: the shock of a one-day pivot, the seven-week NICU marathon, and the quiet work of rebuilding trust in themselves as new parents.
We walk through the real logistics and the raw feelings. Twice-daily drives to the hospital. Care times every three hours. Learning the language of oxygen saturation, NG tubes, and feed volumes. An...
E103: A Series of 19 Unmedicated Births
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Nineteen cousins, all born without medication, and not a single birth story was copy-pasted. Angie opens up about how a simple desire for unmedicated labor grew into a family pattern shaped by childbirth education, midwifery care, and steady partner support. What started as a personal preference became a repeatable approach: learn the physiology, choose a team aligned with your goals, and keep the plan flexible enough to adapt in real time.
We walk through three sisters-in-law with very different personalities who arrived at similar choices for their own reasons. One expected...