Created Creative Podcast

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By: Ruth Hetland and Dawn Trautman

Embark on a journey with Ruth, creator of the wildly popular ConseCrate subscription box for ministers, and Dawn, veteran life coach to leaders to churches and non-profits through her business Big Picture Big Purpose, as they navigate the labyrinth of creativity on "Created Creative." Together, these creative entrepreneurs delve into the universal aspects of the creative life. From the restlessness within that compels us to build something new, whether it's a Lego castle or a life-altering venture, they celebrate the beauty and sanctity of these creative stirrings. Join them in exploring the transformative power of paying attention to that inner...

Ep 83 - Paul Drees on Creating Meaningful Content & Social Media Evanagelism
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This episode of 'Created Creative' features a conversation with Paul Drees, a ELCA Lutheran pastor and social media influencer, who shares his journey of blending traditional ministry with modern platforms like TikTok and Instagram. Paul discusses the challenges and triumphs of using social media as a medium for progressive Christian evangelism, the need for institutional support, and the importance of creating meaningful digital content. The discussion also touches on monetization strategies, the potential impact of creative collaboration, and the broader implications of connecting with audiences in today's digital age.

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Ep 82 - A Creative Life with Meta Herrick Carlson
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06/09/2025

In this episode of 'Created Creative,' hosts Dawn and Ruth discuss the importance of everyday creativity and methods to stay grounded in a world driven by monetization. They are joined by guest Meta Herrick Carlson, a pastor and poet, who shares her experiences around recent significant events like family graduation and birthday celebrations. Meta delves into her creative journey, from embracing poetry during challenging times of postpartum anxiety to publishing multiple books including her upcoming children's book 'We Remember Your Baptism.' She talks about the importance of community and support for creative endeavors and provides insights into...


Ep 81 - RE-RELEASE - Creating a Memorable Tagline with Lisa Kaufer of the Muddy Fork
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06/02/2025

After 80 consecutive weeks of brand new episodes we are doing a throwback this week to one of our very first interviews! Enjoy this re-release of Pottery, Parables, and Portable Communionware: A Conversation with Lisa Kaufer. In this whimsical kickoff of "Created Creative from November of 2023," hosts Dawn and Ruth embark on an Advent adventure, debating when the season truly begins. Meet their first guest, Lisa Kaufer—part minister, part potter, and an all-around Renaissance woman. Lisa spills the clay on her current projects, juggling finger labyrinths and curriculum creation. Unveiling how she’s crafted her multi-hyphenate identity, she confesses the...


Ep 80 - Join Us in the Artists' Way this Summer!
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05/26/2025

In this episode, we dive into an insightful quote from renowned author and artist Julia Cameron, known for her book 'The Artist's Way.' During her interview, Cameron shared a thought-provoking idea that deeply resonates with the core themes of our podcast: 'Creativity and spirituality intertwine like dancing partners.' This elegant metaphor illuminates how creative expression and spiritual growth are closely connected, inspiring us to explore these synergies in our own lives. We discuss how embracing this perspective can enhance both our artistic endeavors and spiritual journeys, offering practical insights and reflections on integrating creativity and spirituality. Tune...


Ep 79 - Creativity in Small-Town Governance with Mayor Latham Hetland
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05/19/2025

In this episode of 'Creative', hosts Dawn and Ruth explore a spectrum of engaging topics surrounding everyday creativity and community impact. They delve into personal routines and the joys and challenges of balancing professional and personal life, including anecdotes from the hosts' daily experiences. Mayor Latham Hetland of New York Mills, Minnesota, joins the discussion, sharing his unexpected journey into local politics, the dynamic growth of his community, and his role in launching the Continental Divide restaurant. Hetland recounts the intricacies of community-driven investments, the trials within his mayoral tenure, and his creative strategies for fostering local development. He...


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05/13/2025

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In this episode of Created Creative, Dawn encourages listeners to join their Patreon by Thursday. She details the benefits of supporting the podcast at various levels, including participation in the 'Created Creative Container,' an interactive creative coworking session with fellow supporters and former podcast guests. Higher-tier supporters can also receive quarterly laser coaching sessions. Dawn emphasizes the importance of community, creativity, and connection, inviting everyone to engage and enrich the collective creative experience.

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Ep 77 - Navigating Masculine Identity and Christian Nationalism with Angela Denker
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05/12/2025

In this episode of Created Creative, hosts Dawn and Ruth discuss the rise of gendered Christian nationalism and the challenges white men and boys face with guest Rev. Angela Denker from Minneapolis, author of 'Red State Christians' and 'Disciples of White Jesus.' The conversation explores radicalization, the influence of Christian masculinity, and how positive male identity can be fostered in communities. Angela provides insights into her transition from sports writing to ordained ministry and her ongoing role as a public theologian and columnist for the Minnesota Star Tribune. Additionally, practical ways to engage with these complex issues in...


Ep 76 - Creative Journeys: Road Trips and Side Hustles
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05/05/2025

In this episode of 'Creative Creative,' hosts Dawn and Ruth discuss a variety of topics ranging from personal road trip adventures to the intricacies of side hustles and the unique challenges faced by women in ministry. Dawn shares her experiences with her subscription box service 'Consecrate,' detailing its impactful support for ministers, particularly women, by curating items that balance inspiration, utility, and humor. They explore the connection between creativity and spirituality, emphasizing the roles of both discipline and inspiration. Additionally, the episode covers practical advice on adapting to changing social media algorithms, and touches on the importance...


Ep 75 - Creativity & Photography with Chris Stevens-Yu
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04/28/2025

Dawn and Ruth engage in a detailed conversation with Chris Stevens-Yu, a professional photographer and speech-language pathologist. Chris discusses his journey in photography, from childhood fascination with photos to developing his craft through community education and practice. He shares insights on street photography, the challenge of finding unique perspectives, and the therapeutic nature of capturing moments. The episode also touches on Chris’s involvement in photography clubs and collectives, his notable trips for photography, and the significance of being an open vessel to creativity. The conversation concludes with Chris offering advice for aspiring photographers.

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Ep 74 - Social Media Evangelism & "God Didn't Make Us to Hate Us" with Rev Lizzie McManus-Dail
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04/21/2025

In this episode, Dawn and Ruth welcome Rev. Lizzie, an Episcopal priest from Austin, Texas, who shares her experiences in ministry, her new book 'God Didn't Make Us to Hate Us,' and her journey as a church planter. Lizzie also discusses the intersection of creativity and spirituality, the unique culture of Austin, and her use of social media for evangelism. The conversation touches on a variety of topics, including her writing process, the importance of community, and the role of art and creativity in faith.

00:00 Introduction: The Role of Silence in Spirituality

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Ep 73 - Healing and Creativity with Paul Lutter
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04/14/2025

In this episode of Created Creative, hosts Dawn and Ruth dive into personal narratives on healing and creativity. Special guest Paul Lutter, an ELCA Pastor, shares his transformative journey following a stroke and minor heart attack. Paul reflects on learning self-compassion, the importance of rest, and the interplay between healing and creativity. Ruth relates her own experience with Guillain-Barre syndrome, emphasizing the non-linear nature of recovery. Together, they explore themes of personal vulnerability, the value of community support, and finding creative inspiration even in times of adversity. The episode underscores the importance of accepting life's ebbs and flows while...


Ep 72 - Christian Minimalism and Embracing Simplicity with Becca Ehrlich
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04/07/2025

In this episode of Creative, hosts Dawn and Ruth delve into a conversation with Becca Ehrlich, an author and advocate for Christian minimalism. The discussion covers a range of topics, starting with the importance of intentional living and its connection to Christian faith. Becca shares insights from her book, 'Christian Minimalism,' and reflects on her experience on the reality show 'Lost Resort.' The episode explores the challenges and rewards of minimalist living, the nuances of hosting diverse spiritual retreats, and the development of Becca’s spirituality center. The conversation concludes with practical advice on managing time and co...


Ep. 71 - Creativity and Bravery
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03/31/2025

Dawn and Ruth discuss the courage it takes to share personal and creative work publicly. Artists and creators, including Joe Davis, David Gate, Christine Davies, Andrea Roske-Metcalfe, Julie Hoplamazian, and Rob Bell share their personal journeys of overcoming fear and vulnerability to share their creative talents. The session explores various forms of creativity, such as poetry, storytelling, dance, and writing, emphasizing the importance of community support in empowering artists to be brave. The video encourages viewers to embrace their creativity and take brave steps in sharing their work, supported by a community.

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Ep 70 - Amy Stearns & Project 412: Community Creativity in Detroit Lakes, MN
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03/24/2025

This episode dives into Project 412 in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota, a nonprofit organization dedicated to increasing community engagement through public art and events. Hosts Ruth and Dawn interview Amy Stearns, the executive director, discussing the project's origins, initiatives like public sculptures, murals, and free events like Hot Dish, a great program for entrepreneurs to share their ideas for the community and receive starter money. Amy also shares her personal journey and insights on building community, encouraging creativity, and handling project priorities. Throughout, they touch on the impact of public art, community support, and the importance of dreaming big in small...


Ep 69 - Exploring the Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
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03/17/2025

In this episode, Dawn and Ruth delve into 'The Let Them Theory' by Mel Robbins, discussing its core principles and applications. They explore how relinquishing control can lead to emotional peace and improved relationships, both personally and within larger systems. The hosts share personal anecdotes, discussing challenges in ministry, parenting, and professional environments. They also contemplate the theory's boundaries, such as where it may not apply, like in situations requiring direct intervention. Special emphasis is placed on applying these ideas in faith-based contexts, aligning with personal and communal growth.

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Ep 68 - Creative Conversations: Sacred Spaces and Holy Shenanigans with Tara Lamont Eastman
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03/10/2025

In this episode of 'Created Creative,' hosts Dawn and Ruth engage in a delightful conversation with guest Tara Lamont Eastman, a pastor and practitioner of holy shenanigans. They discuss the significance of creative processes within spiritual and community contexts. Tara shares her experiences in podcasting, leading a vibrant community art initiative, and how her journey through seminary shaped her current work. The conversation touches upon the importance of creativity as a core aspect of identity rather than just an extra hobby. The hosts and guest explore the intersection of creativity and spirituality, the value of live and in-person...


Ep 67 - Creativity and Community: Reflections on the Created Creative Challenge
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03/03/2025

In this episode of 'Created Creative,' hosts Dawn and Ruth discuss the impact of the February podcast challenge that invited participants to engage in daily creative acts. Joined by several guests who took part in the challenge, they share experiences, lessons learned, and new perspectives on creativity. The guests, from diverse backgrounds and professions, describe their journeys of experimentation, play, and the unexpected ways creativity manifested in their lives. The discussion also explores the deep connections between creativity and spirituality. The episode concludes with the announcement of the challenge winner, Diane Harpster, and an invitation to join a...


Ep 66 - Unschooling and Faith Deconstruction with Marla Taviano
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02/24/2025

 In this episode of Created Creative, hosts Dawn and Ruth interview author Marla Taviano. Marla shares her journey from conservative evangelical Christianity to a more progressive, socially just form of faith. The discussion includes Marla's transition through faith deconstruction and her experiences with unschooling her children. Ruth also shares a personal story about a recent hospital experience and how it has impacted her creative processes. The conversation explores themes of creativity, spirituality, and personal growth, while Marla discusses her current writing projects and plans to attend a secular homeschool conference. The episode wraps up with a promotion for the C...


Ep 65 - Owning Your Greatness: A Musical Journey with Kika Wright
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02/17/2025

In this episode of Created Creative, Dawn and Ruth engage in a lively conversation with Kika Wright, a professional musician, arts administrator, and new public school music teacher in NYC. Kika shares her unconventional theory about Vivaldi, discusses her multifaceted career, and explores her transition from freelancing and arts administration to teaching. She emphasizes the importance of recognizing the often invisible work of women, shares heartwarming experiences from her teaching journey, and discusses the interconnectedness of creativity and spirituality. The episode concludes with an encouragement for listeners to participate in the 28-day creativity challenge. Find out more at createdcreativepodcast...


Ep 64 - She Wrote the Camp Song Everyone Knows - Psalm 25 (To You, O Lord) by Krista Wiger
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02/10/2025

In this episode, Dawn and Ruth are joined by Krista Wiger, a multifaceted medical doctor and musician who shares insights about her journey in music, particularly her well-loved camp song Psalm 25 (To You, Oh Lord}. Krista also talks about her current projects, including plays, music, and a book that aims to dismantle the medical-industrial complex in cancer care. The podcast emphasizes the importance of daily creative practice and features a 28-day creativity challenge encouraging everyone to try new creative activities. Join Dawn, Ruth, and Krista for an inspiring conversation about the intersections of creativity, spirituality, and personal growth.


Ep 63 - Building a Substack Following with Christine Davies
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02/03/2025

In this episode of 'Created Creative Podcast,' hosts Dawn and Ruth interview Christine Davies, a Presbyterian minister and CPE supervisor at a Level One trauma center. Christine shares her journey from writing privately to gaining a thousand followers on Substack and talks about her experiences and thoughts on grief, self-care, and spirituality. The episode also covers Christine's participation in podcasts, her creative processes, her unique hobbies like beekeeping, and her plans for writing a book. Additionally, the hosts discuss their February creativity challenge and encourage listeners to participate. Find Christine's growing substack here: https://journeyingalongside.substack.com/


Ep 62 - Turning your Expertise into a Book with Richard Bruxvoort Colligan
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01/27/2025

In this episode of Created Creative, hosts Dawn and Ruth welcome back Richard Bruxfort Colligan to discuss creativity, spirituality, and Psalms. The conversation touches on Richard's experience living in Strawberry Point, Iowa, his relationship with dogs and his dream of owning a cat, and the intersection of creativity and spirituality. Richard shares insights from his career, his songwriting practice, and his new book about Psalms. The hosts also discuss ways to incorporate creativity into daily life and announce a 28-day creativity challenge for February. Listeners are encouraged to explore new creative activities and share their experiences on social media...


Ep 61 - Broadway Dreams & Advice for a 17 year-old Creative
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01/20/2025

Dawn and Ruth welcome Ruth's son, Jesse Hetland Peterson, a passionate theater aficionado and high school senior. Jesse shares his journey in theater, discussing everything from his experiences in community and school productions to his aspirations for a career on Broadway. The conversation delves into his recent experiences playing Willy Wonka, the joys and challenges of acting, and his plans for the future including attending film festivals and auditioning for roles. The episode also features practical advice on being proactive in pursuing creative opportunities and announces an upcoming 28-day creativity challenge for listeners.


Ep 60 - The Magic Behind Camp Songs: A Chat with Cathy Pino
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01/13/2025

In this episode of Created Creative, hosts Dawn and Ruth discuss the origins and impact of camp songs, particularly focusing on the work of Cathy Pino. They explore Cathy’s background working at various Bible camps, the story behind her popular song ‘Light of the World', and how it gained widespread popularity. Cathy shares insights into her journey as a musician, songwriter, and caregiver, and discusses her current creative endeavors.



Ep 59 - Goal Setting - Part 2
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01/06/2025

Creating Forward: Elevate Your Life Goals - Dawn and Ruth welcome special guest Kris Bjorke for an inspiring conversation about moving forward, setting goals, and embracing new beginnings. The group discusses their personal journeys and their unique, creative approaches to life and ministry. They also delve into their struggles with physical space, organization, and achieving financial stability while maintaining a strong spiritual and emotional balance. Additionally, they explore the importance of community, the power of self-belief, and practical steps to elevate one's life and career. Listeners are encouraged to join in a 28-day creativity challenge in February to further...


Ep 58 - Goal Setting - Part 1
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12/30/2024

In this episode of 'Created Creative', Dawn and Ruth discuss the importance of attitude and positive thinking when working towards goals. They delve into the 'one little word' concept from Allie Edwards which frames an entire year with a guiding word, and compare it to 'Star Words'. The hosts explore the concept of manifesting, examining its limitations in light of what former guest Callie Swanland shared with them and the necessity of doing the groundwork. They also touch upon various creative ways to set and achieve goals, including vision boards, mind movies, Bingo cards, and recognizing different personality types...


Ep 57 - Soap-Making as Art and (Thriving!) Business with Heidi Renney
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12/23/2024

In this episode of Created Creative, hosts Dawn and Ruth chat with Heidi Renney, a soap maker and yoga enthusiast from Detroit Lakes. Heidi shares her journey from quitting her corporate job to starting Nature's Embrace Soap Company. She discusses her creative process, the growth of her business, and the importance of staying connected to her spiritual practices. The conversation touches on managing a small business, balancing creativity and discipline, and maintaining a local, community-focused business model. They also explore Heidi's past creative endeavors, such as designing stage sets for a rock and roll church, and her plans for...


Ep 56 - Creating Easy and Effective Websites for Churches and Nonprofits with Nathan Maxwell Doherty
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12/16/2024

Dawn and Ruth host a conversation with Nathan Maxwell Doherty, a UX designer with a background in youth ministry and graphic design. The dialogue explores the importance of clear messaging and user experience in nonprofit and church websites, emphasizing the role of UX in solving problems by focusing on the human element. Nathan shares personal anecdotes, highlights from his career, and practical advice for improving digital engagement. The episode also showcases Nathan's unique approach to simplifying design and enhancing user experiences for a diverse range of organizations. Set up a conversation with Nathan at MaxwellDohertyDesigns@Gmail.com Check out...


Ep 55 - From Rock Bottom to Rooted: A Pastor’s Journey Through Addiction to Orchardist
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12/09/2024

Our latest episode is one of pivoting from the role of pastor to author to orchardist while being a recovering addict. Dawn and Ruth engage in a heartfelt conversation with Dan Maurer, who shares his unique journey from being a pastor to becoming an orchardist. Dan opens up about his struggles with addiction, recovery, and how it influenced his career pivots, including his experiences in writing and publishing. He touches on the evolution of his spiritual beliefs, the challenges and rewards of managing an orchard, and the powerful role of music in his life. The discussion also explores the...


Ep 54 - Burnout in Ministry
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12/02/2024

In this episode of 'Created Creative,' hosts Dawn and Ruth reflect on their podcast's first anniversary and discuss the critical differences between being tired and burned out. They review their successful year of producing 52 episodes without a break, explore why they aren't burned out, and share insights on maintaining enthusiasm for creative projects. The hosts discuss their work dynamics, the importance of mutual trust, and balancing numerous good tasks without spiraling into burnout. Guest updates from previous episodes include contributions from Lisa Kaufer, John Stevens, Caroline Garnett McGraw, Stephanie of Coast to Coast Sustainables, and spiritual director Trey...


Ep 53 - Turning a Hobby into a Healing Practice - the Evolution of Stitchology Crafts
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11/25/2024

Devotional Crafting with Tina Crog from Stitchology Crafts In this episode of Created Creative, hosts Dawn and Ruth introduce guest Tina Krog, a Lutheran pastor from Massillon, Ohio, who shares her journey of turning to cross-stitching as a healing practice after a personal tragedy. Tina elaborates on how crafting evolved into her devotional practice and led to the creation of Stitchology Crafts, a project integrating crafting with theological reflection. The conversation touches on the deep historical rivalry between Massillon and Canton, Tina's role in her local church consortium, and the various creative processes she engages in. Additionally, Tina unveils...


Ep 52 - Forest Bathing with David Motzenbecker
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11/18/2024

In this episode of Created Creative, hosts Dawn and Ruth engage in a dynamic conversation with David Motzenbecher (aka Motz), a professional landscape architect who pivoted his career to become a Forest Therapy Guide. They discuss a range of topics from the history and practice of forest bathing to the personal and ecological benefits of connecting with nature. Motz shares insights into his journey, the impact of forest bathing on stress relief, and his experiences in building his unique business. The episode also delves into practical advice on executing creative ideas and finding a balance between inspiration and discipline.<...


Ep 51 - How to Create a New Youtube channel with Diane Sponheim
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11/11/2024

In this episode of Created Creative, hosts Dawn and Ruth chat with Pastor Diane Sponheim about the calming power of creativity and her various creative ventures including knitting, gardening, and involvement in a semi-professional choir. They discuss the details of their upcoming book club for 'Parables of a Resilient Nomad', and Diane introduces her idea for a new YouTube channel that will combine her love for knitting and reading. The conversation highlights the importance of life-giving hobbies, especially for those in full-time ministry, and Diane shares insights on maintaining creativity amidst a busy pastoral life.

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Ep 50 - Single Motherhood by Choice with Cassandra Lamb
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11/04/2024

Join us for an insightful conversation about pursuing dreams despite circumstances, including single motherhood by choice. Campus Pastor Cassandra Lamb’s story of becoming a mother through IUI and navigating societal and congregational reactions offers encouragement to others in similar situations. The episode underscores the support from communities, the joy of parenting, and the emotional challenges faced. It concludes with an invitation to join the hosts on a creative trip to Amsterdam, encouraging listeners to embrace their creativity.


Ep 49 - Discernment
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10/28/2024

In this engaging episode we tackle the widespread issue of burnout and the critical journey of rediscovering one's true calling. Dawn and Ruth discuss the importance of self-evaluation, such as understanding innate traits, acquired skills, and community needs. Ruth shares her personal experiences with side hustles and interim ministry roles that renewed her passion, while practical tips are offered to those facing burnout. Dawn highlights the 'Discern by Doing' program, which aids individuals in career transitions. The conversation also explores the pressures of traditional institutional roles, especially for Midwest women, and the necessity of an entrepreneurial framework in life...


Ep 48 - What is Grief Yoga with Jillene Fritch-Gallatin
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10/21/2024

Jillene Fritch-Gallatin, senior pastor of Grace Lutheran Church, shares her profound journey through grief and the development of her business, 'Grounded Love for Grief and Loss.' She discusses the integration of movement, breath, and sound to aid the emotional and physical release of grief. The conversation covers Jillene’s personal experiences, from the tragedy of losing her mother to suicide and her journey to starting her own business to help others navigate their own grief and losses. Highlighting practical strategies for expanding grief yoga, Jillene talks about leveraging community partnerships, effective marketing techniques, and overcoming misconceptions around yoga. The...


Ep 47 - Backstory Preaching with Meredith Crigler
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10/14/2024

Meet Meredith Crigler, the Episcopal priest rocking both the pulpit and batik designs! Discover how she swapped out Vacation Bible School for Family Arts Camp and why Meredith's mornings are dedicated to journaling and tea over spreadsheets. See how preaching, Holy Saturday, and a renovation project at Trinity Episcopal Church whirl together. Learn about developing thriving online preaching communities and the balance between creativity and lifestyle.

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Ep 46 - Bake & Pray Method - Kendall Vanderslice
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10/07/2024

Ballerina turned baker turned entrepreneur, Kendall Vanderslice introduces herself as a 'food and theology scholar' who draws upon her background in the restaurant industry to teach the spiritual practice of bread baking. Kendall shares her experiences in creating baking workshops through her 'Bake and Pray' method, which integrates prayer into bread baking, turning it into a form of liturgy. She also talks about how her Church Cookbook Project reveals insights into regional food histories. Additionally, she touches on her creative process, inspirations, and a forthcoming book 'Bake and Pray: Liturgies and Recipes for Baking Bread as a Spiritual Practice...


Ep 45 - Dawn & Ruth Collab with Holy Shenanigans!
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09/30/2024

This week Dawn and Ruth have a lively and empowering collaboration with Tara Lamont Eastman of the 'Holy Shenanigans' podcast. They're here to champion women's creativity that's often dismissed as 'bubblegum.' Together, they discuss the importance of being bold and outspoken about creative passions. From Taylor Swift to Morning Pages to Car Poems, these three creative powerhouses invite listeners to break down societal barriers and fully embrace their artistic voices. Tune in to explore how creativity can revolutionize your life and build communities in surprising, heartwarming ways.

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Ep 44 - Alt for Sverige Sally Franson on her new book, Big in Sweden
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09/23/2024

In this engaging conversation, Sally Franson discusses her experience on the Swedish reality show 'Alt for Sverige,' the inspiration for her novel 'Big in Sweden.' She delves into the character of Polly from her book, her creative process, the challenges of reality TV, and her ongoing journey of combining solitary work with collaborative projects. Sally also shares heartwarming experiences about visiting her great grandmother's home and the unique cultural elements she encountered. Insights from her interactions with Meg Ryan and the impact of her creative heroes like Kim Gordon and Louise Erdrich further enrich this lively discussion...