Speculating Wildly About Crime (SWAC POD)
Welcome to SWAC POD (Speculating Wildly About Crime) – True Crime, Deep Dives, and Unsolved Mysteries.A few friends who loved true crime got together, and from that shared passion, SWAC POD was born. Now, we’re on a mission to dive deep into true crime cases, missing persons, and unsolved mysteries—shedding light on stories that need more attention. What You’ll Find Here: Deep dives into true crime cases Unsolved mysteries & missing persons Interviews with experts, family members & insiders Thought-provoking discussions & theoriesSubscribe now and join us as we seek answers, spread awareness, and bring justice to those who deserve it. New e...
121. Alexandria (Ali) Lowitzer with special guest Jo Ann Lowitzer
Jamie and Kristy revisit the disappearance of Alexandria “Ali” Lowitzer with her mother, Jo Ann (Hope for Ali),Help Find Alexandria Lowitzer - Missing Person emphasizing that Ali has been missing since April 2010 from Spring, Texas. They recap that 16-year-old Ali left home after school to walk less than a quarter mile to the Burger Barn to pick up her paycheck and never returned, and discuss concerns about the restaurant’s surveillance footage, employment practices, and law enforcement's investigation. Jo Ann shares a newer detail that Ali may have been seen partway to the Burger Barn, advises families to docume...
120. Willie Pickton Part 2 of 2
Jamie and Kristy return for part two of their Willie Pickton series, recapping his Port Coquitlam pig farm, Piggy’s Palace parties, and the failed attempted-murder case involving survivor Sandra Gail Ringwald. They discuss decades of missing women from Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside and highlight several victims’ backgrounds, including Andrea Jones-Berry, Serena Abbotsway, Marnie Fry, Georgina Faith Pappin, Mona Lee Wilson, and Brenda Ann Wolfe. The episode covers how a tip about illegal firearms led to a search warrant, discovery of victims’ belongings and human remains, and an undercover jail confession in which Pickton claimed 49 victims. They describe key witnesse...
119. Systemic Failures, The Death Penalty, & Christa Pike
We’re coming at you midweek with a crucial episode because our good friend David Keck is
back in the SWAC studio! For those of you who dig way back into our archives, you know David
is from Knoxville, Tennessee—where major, historic news just broke.
In 1995, 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer was tragically murdered in Knoxville by 18-year-old
Christa Pike, along with Tadaryl Shipp (17) and Shadolla Peterson (18). Christa Pike went on to
become the youngest woman sentenced to death in modern U.S. history.
Fast forward 30 years to right now: Tennessee set Krista Pike’s exec...
118. SWAC Gets Serial- Willie Pickton (Part 1 of 2)
Jamie and Kristy introduce a new “SWAC Gets Serial” episode of Speculating Wildly About Crime (with a brief entertainment-only disclaimer and a Patreon shout-out to Cheryl) and begin Part 1 of their coverage of Canadian serial killer Robert William Pickton. Kristy discusses insights from the book On the Farm by Stevie Cameron and explains how women—many sex workers and drug-addicted—vanished from Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside while warnings about Pickton and his farm went unaddressed, highlighting RCMP failures and victim stigma. The episode covers Pickton’s upbringing on a filthy Port Coquitlam pig farm, family dynamics, and an incident where a hit...
117. SWAC Unhinged- The Valley Edition
Jamie and Kristy take a break from true crime with “SWAC Unhinged: Valley Edition,” joined by special guest David Keck from the Surviving ISH podcast, to discuss Bravo’s The Valley as a spinoff of Vanderpump Rules (itself a spinoff of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills). They share how their different Bravo entry points shaped their reactions, debate how Season 1 leaned too heavily on kids as storylines, and highlight why Jasmine stood out in emotional and important moments. The trio names favorite and least favorite cast members (with strong feelings about Jax), then counts down memorable moments from Seasons 1–3, includin...
116. Amy Bradley Revisited- With Special Guest Kevin Hall
Jamie and Kristy are joined by Kevin from the Midnight Mystery Archive & The Halls of Mediocrity Podcasts to revisit the 1998 disappearance of 23-year-old Amy Lynn Bradley from Royal Caribbean’s Rhapsody of the Seas. They discuss Kevin’s extensive, interview-driven coverage and critique how the cruise line and investigators handled the case, including delayed announcements, a lack of protocols, room cleaning, and limited evidence preservation before the FBI arrived. The conversation reviews key timeline points from Amy’s last known movements, debates the low likelihood of an overboard scenario, and highlights multiple post-disappearance sightings (including Lori and Crystal’s elevator...
115. John McAfee Part 2 of 2
Jamie and Kristy continue the John McAfee story after the 2012 murder of his neighbor Gregory Faull in Belize, where McAfee was a person of interest but never formally charged amid limited investigative resources. They cover McAfee’s elaborate efforts to flee and deceive authorities, including disguises, a body double, a photo that revealed his location via coordinates, an illegal boat trip to Guatemala, an arrest, and a faked heart attack that helped him avoid immediate deportation. Back in the U.S., he returned to drugs and sex workers, met and later married Janice, made a notorious “uninstall McAfee” video, was ar...
114. John McAfee Part 1 of 2
Jamie and Kristy cover the early life and escalating chaos of John McAfee, founder of McAfee Antivirus, from his abusive childhood and rumored lies about his father’s death to his rapid rise in the tech world, creation of antivirus software after the Brain virus, and becoming wealthy before selling his shares for $100 million. After divorcing and leaving his family, McAfee’s life spirals into drugs, reckless spending, and legal trouble, leading him to relocate to Belize in 2008, where he lives lavishly, pursues questionable ventures, and grows increasingly paranoid and armed. After McAfee’s nine dogs are poisoned, his neighb...
113. SWAC Collaboration- SWAC meets Surviving Ish
Jamie and Kristy from Speculating Wildly About Crime announces a break from true crime for a crossover appearance on David’s podcast, Surviving-ish, and invites listeners to find the episode on podcast platforms. On Surviving-ish, David welcomes Jamie and Kristy, shares how he and Jamie connected through the true crime podcast community and the evolution of SWAC, and highlights David’s prior guest spot on their show. They discuss the challenges of boundaries and people-pleasing in work and life, the importance of putting yourself first, and how Kristy joining SWAC strengthened the show as the broader group moved on to o...
112. Kay-Alana Turner
Jamie and Kristy cover the case of 27-year-old Margaret “Kay Alana” Turner in Harris County, Texas. After COVID-related PTSD, anxiety, depression, ADHD, and recent medication changes, Kay Alana appeared disoriented and sleep-deprived, sent concerning messages, and drove around Texas seeking places to sleep. In Tomball, residents called law enforcement after she was found in a driveway; body cam footage shows a chaotic encounter where she fled, crashed through fences, and ran into dense woods, while deputies made derogatory comments and pursued charges. Her family tried to file a missing person report but were told she was a fugitive, which limi...
111. SWAC SNACK: Kurt Sova Revisited- Exclusive interview with Chief John Majoy Part 2 of 2
Jamie and Kristy conclude their interview with Newburgh Heights Police Chief Majoy about the Kurt Sova case, focusing on rumors and the department’s current findings. The Chief explains why claims about “people from Detroit,” a homeless man’s prediction, and theories that Kurt was dragged from the party house could not be validated, noting key witnesses and polygraphs supported the account that Kurt and Sam left the house and Sam later returned for his coat. He addresses how Kurt’s family could have searched the ravine yet missed the body due to distance from the path and high weeds. The...
110. SWAC SNACK- Kurt Sova REVISITED- Interview with Police Chief John Majoy Part 1 of 2
Jamie and Kristy revisit the 1981 death of 17-year-old Kurt Sova, found in a Newburgh Heights, Ohio ravine after disappearing from a party, and share an interview with Chief John Majoy about the case. Majoy explains how the case was reopened years later after a box of records was found during a station move, leading to a partnership with Tiffin University, a tip line, and Crime Stoppers involvement. He critiques the original 1981 investigation as incomplete and discusses modern investigative practices that weren’t used then. Majoy describes re-interviewing and polygraphing key figures, including last-known companion Sam Carroll (whom he says wa...
109. Joann Matouk Romain Part 2 of 2
On this week's episode of Speculating Wildly About Crime, Jamie and Kristy conclude their two-part investigation into the mysterious death of Joann Romain Matouk. In this episode, they will discuss the discovery of her body 70 days after she disappeared from outside St. Paul Catholic Church in Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan. They also explore the troubling questions surrounding the official ruling of suicide, including the condition of Joann's clothing and boots after being found nearly 35 miles away on the Canadian side of the Detroit River. They will then get into some very interesting and conflicting autopsy opinions, as well as...
108. Joann Matouk Romain Pt. 1 of 2
Jamie and Kristy introduce the two-part case of Joanne Matouk Romain, a 55-year-old devout Catholic from affluent Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan, who vanished on January 12, 2010 and was later found deceased. After a long day that began with a family court proceeding in Detroit, Joanne dropped her son Michael off, stopped for gas, then arrived late to a prayer service at St. Paul’s Catholic Church and left within 10–15 minutes. Witnesses mention a brief car alarm, and later police found the Lexus abandoned and locked near the church, with reports of footprints toward the lake. The episode highlights conflicting timelines, a ra...
107. SWAC Snack- Jodi Huisentruit, Brian Shaffer, Tracy Ocasio
Jamie and Kristy share a SWAC Snack with recent updates on three missing-person cases they’ve previously covered: Jodi Huisentruit, Brian Shaffer, and Tracy Ocasio. They discuss renewed attention in the Jodi Huisentruit case, including a private investigator receiving tips and circumstantial information leading to one or two suspects and prompting new searches, while urging anyone with information to contact Mason City, Iowa Police. For Brian Shaffer, they clarify his credit card balance was tied to transferring debt to a new card and report police confirmed Douglas Barry as a name previously provided as a lead; they encourage anyone wh...
106. Toby Anderson
Jamie and Kristy cover the little-known disappearance of 16-year-old Toby Eugene Anderson, who vanished in Selma, Oregon, in November 1986 after a troubled childhood that included time in juvenile detention and being sent from California to live with his uncle, Elmer “Billy,” in a crowded two-bedroom trailer. The family’s account claims Billy caught Toby being inappropriate with one cousin, expelled the family for the night, and later dropped Toby at a police station—after which Toby was said to have “run away,” was signed out of school, and was never reported missing until 2017 when cousin Denise began pushing for an inves...
105. Laureen Rahn Collaboration
Jamie and Kristy host a collaborative episode of Speculating Wildly About Crime with guests Missy (Dark Woods Paranormal), Allison (Coffee and Cases), and Kevin (Midnight Mystery Archive) to revisit the 1980 disappearance of 14-year-old Laureen Rahn from Manchester, New Hampshire. They recap key case details from the night she vanished during spring break—unlocked/open doors, a friend in her bed, Laureen’s shoes and belongings left behind, and reports of unscrewed light bulbs—and discuss how limited, repetitive media coverage shaped earlier theories about runaway, abduction, and alleged phone calls. Newer insights from interviews with Laureen’s friends challenge portraya...
104. Dominic Russo and Davion Flanagan (The Crash)
Jamie and Kristy revisit Ohio to discuss the 2022 case featured in Netflix’s The Crash, focusing on victims Dominic Russo (20) and Davion Flanagan (19) and the events leading to their deaths when 17-year-old Mackenzie Shirilla drove a 2018 Toyota Camry into a brick building at roughly 90–100 mph. They review the night at a friend’s house, the short six-minute drive before impact, and crash data showing full throttle, no braking, and last-second steering and gear changes that suggest someone tried to stop the car. They cover background on Dominic and Davion, evidence found at the scene, the debate over intent versus a medi...
103. SWAC SNACK: Gretchen Fleming Update
Hosts Jamie and Kristy share a brief update on the Gretchen Fleming case from Parkersburg, West Virginia, originally covered in Episode 59. Gretchen was last seen December 4, 2022 after bar-hopping; police initially questioned a man named John but ruled him out, and focused on Preston Pierce (also known as Daryl Lott), who said he gave her a ride and dropped her downtown without her purse or phone. After an earlier search of his former home in November 2024 found nothing, a hunter discovered human remains in September 2025, later identified as Gretchen’s in April/May 2026, reportedly on property tied to Pierce’s sist...
102. Kurt Sova
Jamie and Kristy cover the 1981 death of 17-year-old Kurt Sova in Newburgh Heights, Ohio, featured on Season 1 of Unsolved Mysteries. Kurt, a trusted, non-partier, went to a house party with Samuel, became heavily intoxicated, was escorted outside, and vanished while Samuel went back inside to retrieve their jackets. After days of searching and a delayed missing-person response, Kurt was found dead five days later in a ravine about 500 yards from the party house—fully clothed but barefoot, with one shoe later recovered and the other never found. The autopsy suggested he died only 24–36 hours before discovery and listed “probable accide...
101. Deanna Cremin
Jamie and Kristy discuss the 1995 unsolved murder of 17-year-old Deanna Cremin in Somerville, Massachusetts. Deanna, a well-liked high school junior who loved working with children and hoped to become a preschool teacher, was last seen after spending the evening watching TV with her boyfriend, 19-year-old Tommy LeBlanc. She called her mother to say she’d be late, and Tommy later claimed he walked her only partway home—unusual for him—leaving her to finish the short walk alone. The next morning, her body was found behind a senior living complex about 500 feet from where he said he left her; an aut...
100. William (Bill) Schnackel
This week on Speculating Wildly About Crime, Jamie and Kristy discuss the 1980 disappearance of 44-year-old Bill Schnackel from Phillips, Wisconsin. Bill, described as kind and hardworking, lived in an old school bus and earned money hauling trash and scrapping metal, sometimes with his roommate Michael Winters. Bill was reported missing on May 20, 1980—over a month after Michael claimed he last saw him on April 16—and Michael said Bill went to Chicago to collect an inheritance, though Bill’s aunt said there was no money and she was in California. Michael was seen driving Bill’s prized truck, gave conflicting explanat...
99. SWAC Unhinged- Housewives Edition. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Part 2 of 2.
Jamie, Kristy, David (Surviving-ISH), and Jenny (Unholier Than Thou/Unholier) share their top 3 moments from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City franchise. Some moments include: Angie K’s season five “scroll” confrontation with Meredith, Brittany being caught recording and denying it, Mary’s “hospital smell” comment, and Brittany’s outrage over Angie bringing wine to her Bible study. They discuss how Brittany’s behavior and religious fence-sitting affects the group, debating whether she’s “fake” or “empty,” and whether Angie’s wine gift was passive-aggressive. The group highlights Jen Shah’s season two Sprinter van arrest and its aftermath, Lisa Barlow’s “gout...
98. SWAC Unhinged- Real Housewives of Salt Lake City- Part 1 of 2
Jamie, Kristy, David (Surviving-ISH), and Jenny (Unholier Than Thou/Unholier) return for a “palate cleanser”. This time, our SWAC Unhinged episode will be focused on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. After introductions and Jenny’s background as a survivor and podcaster, they acknowledge the tragic death of Mary Cosby’s son Robert Jr., reflecting on his on-camera discussion of addiction and mental health and the realities and stigmas families face. Shifting to lighter Housewives talk, they debate favorite cast members (including Heather, Mary, Whitney, and Bronwyn), discuss how deconstruction and cult dynamics color their view of the show, an...
97. Ashley Summers Part 2 of 2
Jamie and Kristy revisit Ashley Summers’ disappearance as the Cleveland case timeline intersects with the May 6, 2013 rescue of Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, and Michelle Knight from Ariel Castro, ultimately confirming Ashley was never held in the home. They cover the hope sparked by a 2015 FBI tip and ATM surveillance photo, including a Dr. Phil facial recognition analysis suggesting an 80% match, which was later ruled out when the suspect was identified as someone else. They also discuss and eliminate possible links to several offenders (Elias Acevedo, Eric “Big Willie” Wilson, Anthony Sowell, and Israel Keyes) before focusing on concerns around Ashley...
96. Ashley Summers Part 1 of 2
Jamie and Kristy cover Part 1 of the disappearance of 14-year-old Ashley Summers in Cleveland, Ohio, in July 2007. They outline Ashley’s strained home life with her mom Jennifer, her relationship with 16-year-old boyfriend Jean Gill, and how she began staying with great-uncle Kevin after conflict at home. Ashley had previously run away in January 2007. Her last known day is disputed (reports range from July 4–8); she was reportedly seen at a family birthday party on July 4 and said she was walking to Aunt Chris’s house but never arrived. Kevin later claimed a fight occurred and he broke her phone...
95. Jason Landry Part 2 of 2
Jamie and Kristy continue part two of their coverage of missing 21-year-old Jason Landry, focusing on the body-cam footage from the crash scene near Luling, Texas, and the late-night calls to his parents. They discuss concerns about the scene being treated as a simple impaired-driver accident despite Jason’s clothing and belongings left in the roadway, and detail what happened after his family arrived, including locating his phone at the impound lot. The episode covers subsequent search efforts (including drones, dogs, divers, and draining a pond after cadaver dogs alerted), evidence handling issues like untested fingerprints/DNA, and a ge...
94. Jason Landry Part 1 of 2
Jamie and Kristy begin Part 1 on the disappearance of 21-year-old Texas State student Jason Landry, who vanished on December 13, 2020 after leaving San Marcos around 11:05 PM to drive home to Missouri City. Using his digital footprint, they trace him through Martindale to an intersection near Luling where he should have turned toward I-10, but instead continued onto dark rural roads; his phone activity ends around 11:24 PM and his crashed Nissan Altima is found at 12:31 AM. Police later locate Jason’s clothing laid out methodically about 900 feet from the car, plus his backpack containing his wallet, laptop, PlayStation, a deceased fish, an...
93. Laureen Rahn Revisited- EXCLUSIVE Interview with Lori B.
Jamie and Kristy revisit the 1980 disappearance of 14-year-old Laureen in Manchester, New Hampshire, joined by returning guest Missy Reese (Raven Knight from Darkwoods Paranormal) and Laureen’s longtime friend Lori. They recap that night Laureen vanished barefoot from her mother’s third-floor apartment after friends had been drinking there. They discuss the conflicting longtime claims about late-night phone calls and the initial “runaway” framing. Lori shares first-hand context about the neighborhood, and details about the place Laureen was living at the time. The group also goes into detail about the family dynamic Laureen was living at the time including inapprop...
92. SWAC SNACK: Brian Shaffer REVISITED
Jamie and Kristy revisit the infamous disappearance of Ohio State med student Brian Shafer, last seen April 1, 2006 on surveillance at the Ugly Tuna Saloona around 1:55 a.m. after a night barhopping. They discuss new information highlighted by True Crime Garage and investigative journalist Kelly Bruce, including expanded phone-call activity, confirmation that Amber (one of the women Brian spoke with) was identified and knew Clint, and renewed debunking of claims that Brian couldn’t have exited the bar or died inside it. They cover unusual pre-disappearance finances, family stress after his mother’s death, rumors about Brian’s sexuality, notable sighti...
92. Ali Lowitzer Revisited- Featuring Special Guest JoAnn Lowitzer
Jamie and Kristy revisit the disappearance of 16-year-old Ali Lowitzer, missing since April 26, 2010, and interview her mother, JoAnn Lowitzer, about the case and its impact. JoAnn describes Ali’s last known plans to walk a short distance to work in daylight, the many leads pursued without answers, and deep frustrations with law enforcement, including delayed urgency, lost surveillance and DNA evidence, and limited investigative follow-through. She addresses persistent rumors, and clarifies misinformation from a TV show that featured Ali's case. JoAnn also discusses building community through Houston’s Missing Persons Day and family support groups. Joann shares memories of Ali’...
91. SWAC Unhinged- Housewives Edition- Real Housewives of New York
We’re hitting pause on our usual true crime deep dives and switching things up this week on SWAC Pod 🎙️
Join us as we take a break and spill all the tea on our Top 5 moments from The Real Housewives of New York City (RHONY) — the chaos, the iconic one-liners, and the moments that live rent-free in our heads.
And we’re not doing it alone… 👀
We’re joined by special guest David Keck from Surviving ISH, bringing his takes, hot opinions, and maybe a little friendly debate along the way.
If you...
90. SWAC Gets Serial- Isreal Keyes
Jamie and Kristy discuss serial killer Israel Keyes, focusing on his crimes and arrest. They cover the February 1, 2012 abduction of 18-year-old Samantha Koenig from an Anchorage coffee stand, her murder, the staged ransom photo taken weeks later, and the disposal of her remains at an ice-fishing lake. They explain how Keyes used Koenig’s debit card across multiple states, leading Texas police to stop him, find ink-stained cash, her ATM card, and her phone, and extradite him to Alaska. Keyes then partially cooperated with investigators, admitting to the June 8, 2011 Vermont murders of Bill and Lorraine Currier and referencing other po...
89. Rachel Anthony
Brought to you by a listener request! Thank you Cyndie! In this episode, Jamie and Kristy discuss the 2001 case of Rachel Anthony from Pine River, Minnesota. After closing up alone at a small-town liquor store on a freezing night, Rachel vanished—leaving behind personal items and a scene that raised immediate questions. Weeks later, she was found miles away, and investigators were left with limited public details, a small amount of DNA, and a key unanswered question about the store’s last customer and an unusually specific purchase. The case remains unsolved, with a reward still offered and tip line...
88. SWAC Snack- Ellen Greenberg Updates
Jamie and Kristy revisit the Ellen Greenberg case as a SWAC Snack to focus on developments since their 2024 coverage, including the Hulu documentary “Death in Apartment 603” and the legal and investigative updates that followed. They recap that the case has remained controversial due to the early suicide ruling and questions about how it was handled, then outline the family’s long effort to challenge the manner of death, including a Pennsylvania Supreme Court appeal in 2024. They discuss a February 2025 settlement with the City of Philadelphia that led to a reexamination and an independent medical review, followed by an October 2025 report...
87. Ali Lowitzer
In this episode of 'Speculating Wildly About Crime,' hosts Jamie and Kristy delve into the puzzling case of Alexandria 'Ali' Lowitzer, who disappeared from Spring, Texas in April 2010. As they explore Ali's background, they reveal the circumstances leading up to her disappearance, from her last known communications and movements to the troubling lack of action by local law enforcement. The hosts also discuss various theories, including the possibilities of abduction by someone she knew and human trafficking. Despite numerous leads and private investigations, Ali. remains missing, leaving her family still searching for answers over a decade later. Tune...
86. SWAC Gets SERIAL- Ed Gein
Welcome to Speculating Wildly About Crime with Jamie and Kristy, where we dive deep into the life and crimes of Ed Gein, the notorious serial killer and grave robber. In this episode, we debunk inaccuracies from Netflix's 'Monster: The Ed Gein Story' and explore the real-life events that shaped Gein's gruesome legacy. Discover the true story from his troubled childhood in La Crosse, Wisconsin, to his horrifying crimes in Plainfield. We discuss his family's tragic history, Gein's twisted relationship with his domineering mother, and the grim discoveries that shocked an entire town. Tune in to separate fact from fiction...
85. Brandon Swanson
In this episode of Speculating Wildly About Crime, hosts Jamie and Kristy delve into the baffling case of Brandon Swanson, a 19-year-old who vanished in rural Minnesota in 2008. Despite detailed instructions to his parents and a 47-minute phone call with his father, Brandon has never been found. This episode explores the timeline of Brandon’s disappearance, the extensive search efforts, various theories including foul play and accident, and the implications of Brandon’s Law, which was enacted to improve missing persons' investigations. Join us as we piece together the events leading up to Brandon’s last known moments and specul...
84. Logan Schiendelman
In this episode of 'Speculating Wildly About Crime,' hosts Jamie and Kristy delve into the perplexing case of Logan Schiendelman, a 19-year-old who vanished in May 2016 from Tumwater, Washington. They explore the intricate family dynamics Logan faced, his struggle with identity, and various theories about his disappearance. The theories range from a potential psychotic break and foul play to the possibility of Logan starting a new life. Join the hosts as they weave through the details of the case, the discovery of Logan's abandoned car, and multiple 911 calls that add layers of complexity to this unresolved mystery. Listen...
83. Tracy Ocasio
In this episode of Speculating Wildly About Crime (SWAC), hosts Jamie and Kristy dive deep into the case of Tracy Ocasio, who vanished in May 2009 in the Orlando, Florida area. They detail Tracy’s life, her last night at the Florida Taproom bar, and the strange circumstances surrounding her disappearance. The investigation centers on James Hataway, a local with a troubling past. The hosts explore evidence, including phone pings, eyewitness accounts, and other suspects, while also sharing personal stories and theories. They emphasize the ongoing search for answers and encourage anyone with information to come forward. Join the conversation as...
