PSATS Podcast

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By: Paul Lombardo, Eric Schwartz, Mitch Toda

The podcast is designed to provide educational content and medical information to athletic trainers of all field levels. This is presented by PSATS and its members of athletic trainers at the professional level in soccer.

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Journal Club - Quads
#36
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In this episode, the panel takes a deep dive into the rehabilitation of rectus femoris injuries in soccer, using a recent Aspetar publication as the foundation for a practical, clinician-focused discussion. The conversation explores why quad injuries, while less common than other muscle injuries, remain challenging due to the unique demands of kicking, sprinting, and rotational movements that are difficult to replicate during rehabilitation. The group examines key return-to-play principles, objective testing strategies, and the shift away from traditional timeline-based rehabilitation toward an individualized, milestone-driven approach. Along the way, they share clinical pearls on strength testing, kicking progressions...


The Exit Interview - USMNT
#35
07/24/2026

In Episode 35, "The Exit Interview," the PSATS Podcast welcomes back Derek Lawrance for an inside look at the U.S. Men's National Team's World Cup journey through the lens of sports medicine and performance. Derek shares the emotional highs and lows of tournament life, the realities of transitioning back to everyday work after competing on soccer's biggest stage, and the lessons learned from managing player health in a high-pressure international environment. The conversation explores tournament logistics, recovery technologies, injury management, player rotation strategies, and the importance of an integrated medical and performance team in maintaining exceptional player...


Chaos Is the Plan: Why “Controlled” Rehab Isn’t Enough
#34
06/22/2026

In this episode, we explore the continuum of Control → Chaos → Complexity and how it shapes modern rehabilitation and performance in elite sport. From early-stage tissue loading and motor control strategies to the unpredictable realities of competition, we break down how athletic trainers can intentionally progress athletes through each phase to better prepare them for return to play. The conversation highlights practical frameworks, common pitfalls, and real-world applications in professional soccer, emphasizing how embracing variability and decision-making demands ultimately bridges the gap between clinic and competition. Whether you're managing acute injury, reconditioning an athlete, or refining your RTP model, this epis...


USMNT World Cup Prep – Medical Lens
#33
05/21/2026

In this episode of the PSATS Podcast, Paul Lombardo sits down with Derek Lawrence, Assistant Athletic Trainer for the U.S. Men’s National Team, to explore what it takes to medically prepare for a World Cup. Derek shares a behind-the-scenes look at managing player arrivals from across the globe, conducting essential screenings, and implementing recovery and performance strategies in a high-stakes tournament environment. From balancing fitness levels of fully match-fit players to those returning from injury, the conversation highlights the constant challenge of aligning individual readiness with team demands. Derek also discusses the importance of collaboration with clubs, th...


Load isn't the problem. Sequencing is.
#32
05/07/2026

In this episode, Scott and Paul challenge the idea that load is the primary problem in rehabilitation. Instead, they explore how sequencing, progression, and timing drive rehab success—especially for tendons and muscle injuries. From strength versus plyometrics to tendon loading, confidence, and return‑to‑play decisions, this conversation focuses on preparing athletes for real game demands rather than chasing symptom resolution alone.

Papers referenced in the recording:

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/54/2/72 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10293561/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5609374/

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Surgical vs. Non-Surgical and PLAC
12/05/2025

In this episode, the hosts dive into key topics in sports medicine, starting with U.S.-Europe healthcare differences and why surgical options for soft tissue injuries aren’t always prioritized. They share personal updates and holiday plans before exploring unique throat injury case studies from a recent PSG conference, emphasizing the importance of thorough evaluations. The discussion then shifts to athletic pubalgia, PLAC, and the complexities of diagnosing groin injuries. Finally, the team analyzes treatment decisions for hamstring and muscle injuries, comparing surgical versus conservative approaches, success rates, and the financial and emotional impact on athletes.


Work-Life Balance
#30
10/30/2025

In this episode, we dive into the ongoing challenge of work-life balance for athletic trainers. We discuss the unique demands of the profession — long hours, travel, and the constant pull between personal well-being and professional commitment. Our conversation highlights the struggles many ATs face in managing time, setting boundaries, and avoiding burnout. We also share practical strategies to become more effective, including prioritization techniques, communication skills, and ways to make recovery and personal time a consistent part of your routine. Whether you’re a seasoned professional or new to the field, this episode offers insight and actionable tips to help...


Bryan Heiderscheit - Hamstrings
#29
10/20/2025

In this episode, Mitch, Eric, and Scott welcome Bryan to explore cutting-edge insights into hamstring injury research and rehabilitation. Bryan shares findings from a large-scale NFL-funded study, revealing why traditional rehab methods often fall short and how eccentric loading and early running can accelerate recovery. The conversation dives into athlete pain perception, diagnostic imaging, sciatic nerve inflammation, and the complexities of T-junction injuries. Bryan also discusses the role of PRP, the importance of fascicle length, and progressive training strategies to prevent injury. Wrapping up, Bryan offers gold-standard rehab guidelines and practical tips for return-to-play success.


Journal Club Featuring Scott Armistead
#28
09/15/2025

On this episode, we're joined by Seattle Sounders athletic trainer Scott Armistead, who fills in for Eric. Scott shares his journey and insights on translating complex sports medicine research into practical advice.

We dive into the importance of career longevity in professional football, discussing a study on career lengths in the UK and how that data can be applied to player management. We also explore hamstring injury prevention, specifically looking at the Nordic hamstring test and its potential correlations with sprint speed and agility. Finally, we touch on the importance of holistic player care, individualized rehab programs...


NHL and MLS crossover; Interview with Thomas Alva
#27
08/27/2025

Go behind the scenes of professional hockey with Thomas Alva, the Head of Performance and Health for the Philadelphia Flyers. In this episode, Thomas shares his incredible journey from the Dallas Stars to a 1,500-game veteran, giving a rare look into the world of elite athletic training.

You’ll hear about the intensive strategies used to keep players healthy through a grueling 82-game season, from hyperbaric oxygen therapy to targeted mobility work. Thomas reveals how he balances medical expertise with coach demands, the challenges of treating common injuries like hip pathologies, and the essential role his staff pl...


Achilles' Tendon Rupture Roundtable
#26
08/13/2025

Join us as we talk to Sean Cropper, Head ATC at Atlanta United about his experience with three Achilles tendon ruptures in one season. We dive into the physical and mental toll of such a debilitating injury, and Sean shares his insights on why this might have happened and what warning signs to look for.

In this episode, we'll cover the general timeline for Achilles rehabilitation, key milestones, and benchmarks for recovery. We'll also discuss rehab techniques, from jump tests to plyometric progressions. Sean shares the most valuable lessons he learned during his recovery...


Question & Answer
#25
06/23/2025

Join us as we celebrate the legacy of an outgoing MLS athletic trainer and dive into a Q&A session covering everything from podcasting to career advice for aspiring ATs. We'll equip you with essential tips for sports internship success, explore cutting-edge athletic training tools for performance and recovery, and discuss the future of GPS tracking and injury assessment. Plus, we touch on the critical area of women's health in sports. Get ready for an episode packed with insights for anyone passionate about athletic training!


Cardiac Discussion
#24
05/23/2025

In this episode of the PSATS podcast, we discuss the critical topic of cardiac emergency response in sports. We start with a recent incident during an NWSL soccer match where Angel City's medical staff successfully responded to a player's cardiac emergency, stabilizing her after a heart procedure.

We then explore emergency preparedness and cardiac screening protocols in Major League Soccer (MLS), emphasizing the importance of pre-game medical meetings and practicing emergency action plans. The discussion includes the use of heart monitoring devices and the distinctions between heart attacks and cardiac arrests.

We also cover cardiac...


Journal Club Episode: Time to drop running as a KPI
#23
05/09/2025

In this episode, we explore the shift in football performance analysis away from traditional running metrics as key performance indicators. Drawing from the article “Time to Drop Running as a KPI in Football” by Mandorino et al., we discuss how total distance covered during matches often reflects tactical context rather than player readiness or fitness. The authors propose a Sport Science 3.0 approach, using machine learning and embedded monitoring to better assess a player’s physiological and neuromuscular status. We examine how these insights reshape medical decision-making for keeping athletes healthy and optimizing return-to-play strategies, emphasizing that the quality of footba...


Interview with MLS Next Academy ATC: Brett Holmertz
#22
04/09/2025

Welcome to the PSATS Podcast! In this episode, we are thrilled to have Brett Holmertz join us. Brett is the Athletic Trainer and Strength & Conditioning Coach for the FC Cincinnati Academy, where he plays a crucial role in developing young soccer talent. With extensive experience working with the U-16 and U-18 academy groups, as well as the Super 20’s and PDL teams, Brett's dedication to athlete health and performance has been instrumental in nurturing the next generation of soccer professionals.

Episode Highlights:

Brett shares his journey and experiences leading up to his current role.A day in...


Journal Club Episode: Talking all Things Hamstrings!
#21
03/27/2025

Ever wondered if hamstring mapping can really predict RTP? Or if your athletes are truly ready for high-speed sprints post-injury? Join us as we break down two fascinating research articles, debating the pros and cons, sharing our own clinical experiences, and questioning the practical implications. We'll tackle inter-rater reliability, the fear of pushing athletes too hard, and the importance of tailored training. Plus, Paul throws a curveball article into the mix for some unscripted discussion. Get ready for a lively conversation about the science and art of sports rehab!

Mapping Tenderness to Palapation Predicts Return to Play Following...


2024 Wrap-Up and Future Plans
#20
03/14/2025

Dive deep into the world of athletic training with our latest episode! We're recapping our recent symposium, from the buzz of a sold-out crowd and cutting-edge vendor show to the crucial discussions on ACL injury assessments, along with remarkable resilience from athletes. Get insights into Matt Taberner's evolving framework and congratulate LA Galaxy's recent MLS Cup victory.

Join us as we congratulate Mitch on his new role as Head Athletic Trainer for the North Carolina Courage and hear his candid reflections on the challenges and joys of this transition. We'll explore athlete resilience, the...


Interview with USWNT Medical Staff (2 Episodes) - Part 2
#19
11/01/2024

In this two part episode, we dive deep into the world of elite athlete care. Our guests, a team of highly skilled professionals, share their personal journeys, the intricacies of their collaborative approach, and the challenges and triumphs of working with the best athletes in the world.

From managing communication with coaching staff to ensuring seamless player care during high-stakes tournaments, our experts provide unique insights into the behind-the-scenes work that goes into supporting top-level athletes.

Hear firsthand about the gold medal winning run and the unforgettable experiences that have...


Interview with USWNT Medical Staff (2 Episodes) - Part 1
#18
10/30/2024

In this two part episode, we dive deep into the world of elite athlete care. Our guests, a team of highly skilled professionals, share their personal journeys, the intricacies of their collaborative approach, and the challenges and triumphs of working with the best athletes in the world.

From managing communication with coaching staff to ensuring seamless player care during high-stakes tournaments, our experts provide unique insights into the behind-the-scenes work that goes into supporting top-level athletes.

Hear firsthand about the gold medal winning run and the unforgettable experiences that have...


Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Scholarship Interview: 2023 Recipient Kenta Mizumoto
#17
10/21/2024

In this episode, we sit down with Kenta, last year’s recipient of the PSATS Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Scholarship. This prestigious award provided him the opportunity to attend the MLS Medical Symposium in December 2023.

Kenta shares more about his life and the experiences that shaped him. Discover what or who inspired Kenta to move to Kentucky to pursue a career in athletic training. Hear about Kenta’s experience at the MLS Medical Symposium and the key takeaways from this incredible opportunity. Kenta offers valuable tips and advice for current athletic training students planning to a...


Interview with Mauricio Elizondo, Director of Sports Medicine at Austin FC
#16
09/17/2024

On this episode of the PSATS Podcast, our special guest Mauricio Elizondo, the Director of Sports Medicine at Austin FC. With an impressive career spanning nearly 14 years in Major League Baseball with the Boston Red Sox, LA Dodgers, and Toronto Blue Jays, as well as almost 6 years in ATP Tennis, our guest brings a wealth of experience and knowledge to the table. He also owned and operated a high-performance physical therapy clinic for over five years.

In this episode, we explore:

 Comparative Medical Care: Compare types of care across multiple sports throughout his career.Advancements and I...


Going Global
#15
08/09/2024

In this episode of “Going Global,” we spotlight two PSAT members, Sergio Martin Acuna and Andres Calleja Blanco. Join us as we delve into their inspiring journeys and explore how they have made a significant impact with their respected teams and profession.

Sergio and Andres share their experiences of working with athletes across different countries and cultures, highlighting the unique challenges and rewards of their profession. We’ll discuss:

Their paths to becoming athletic trainersHow they adapted to the United States and its diverse athletesWhat does i...


Heat vs Ice, Recovery Strategies
#14
06/07/2024

In this episode, the group tackles a controversial topic; heat vs ice and give their recommendations and personal opinions around the two therapy strategies. The complex nature of injury recovery and training have various approaches but the group discusses an array of strategies to help player recovery from injury or recovery from activity. We are excited to have this podcast driven by listener engagement and we look forward to continuing these types of episodes in the future!


Interview with Brian Goodstein "Goody"
#13
05/10/2024

In this episode, the group sits down with the “God Father” of MLS athletic trainers. Brian Goodstein or better known as “Goody”. Goody is one of the founding members of PSATS and the longest standing tenure with one club, D.C. United, 20 years. Brian has had an extensive career around soccer and was willing to sit down with the group to share his experiences that soccer has provided him on and off the field.  We greatly appreciate Brian taking the time to speak with us!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZcg0fujv...


Interview with Kelly Turney
#12
05/10/2024

In this episode of the PSATS Podcast, the group sits down with Kelly Turney. We recorded this episode in 2023, though we are publishing this episode now. There are some great take-aways from this interview. Kelly shares with us her journey from the collegiate setting to the professional level. She shares her trials and tribulations of starting a new job from day one, at a new level and what lessons she has learned in the position. Kelly was a pleasure to talk to and has an enormous heart and knowledge to share with the listeners.


Control-Chaos Continuum
#11
04/19/2024

In this episode, the group discusses the use of the Control-Chaos Continuum (CCC). Today, the group focuses on the work of Matt Taberner and colleagues in the application of the CCC for return to performance/sport. We talk about how we utilize the CCC in our settings along with our general thoughts and application to short- or long-term injuries. The discussion may have some tangents but in all a very good discussion is had with a few laughs in between.

https://journal.aspetar.com/en/journals/volume-9-targeted-topic-return-to-performance-after-acl-reconstruction/from-control-to-chaos-to-competition

https://bmjopensem.bmj.com...


Ron Shinault Interview
#10
04/12/2024

In this episode, the group interviews the newly elected PSATS president; Ron Shinault.  Ron is starting his second stint as PSATS president and the group gets to know how Ron started his journey in Athletic Training to his current role of Director of Health and Performance with San Jose Earthquakes. Ron also shares some of his experiences being in a role of leadership and how that previous positions have helped mold his leadership style today.


Special Edition Episode: USMNT
#9
03/18/2024

Episode 9: In this Special Edition Episode, Mitch Toda was able to sit down with the US Soccer Men’s National Team Sports Medicine staff during their January camp. Mitch was able to get insight to what it takes to be a part of a medical staff at the national team level.


Medical Symposium and Recap Show
#8
03/08/2024

The group gets back together to start off 2024 with a recap episode. We discuss the offseason, MLS Medical Symposium, PSATS education workshop with a very special guest, and a quick rundown of what goes into a MLS Preseason. 


Journal article review: British Athletics Muscle Injury Classification (BAMIC)
#7
12/13/2023

In this episode of the PSATS podcast the group tackles their first journal article review, the British Athletics Muscle Injury Classification (BAMIC). The group shares their insights to using BAMIC, some of its challenges and obstacles. We dive into some discussion on how BAMIC may or may not influence return to play and rehabilitation protocols. Also, the group answers a few questions from the listeners.

Articles Referenced in Podcast:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264008315_British_athletics_muscle_injury_classification_A_new_grading_system?enrichId=rgreq-1a6b234f841873375a35c6783727...


Recap show + Job application tips
#6
11/16/2023

In the 6th episode of the PSATS podcast the group recaps its interview with Theron Enns. The group shares their takeaways from the interview, how Theron builds his team in Salt Lake to his humble beginnings as an ATC in MLS.  Also, the group dives into the application process and explains what each of us are looking for when reviewing for open student internship positions. “Liquid gold”. 


Interview with Theron Enns - Senior Director of Athlete Health and Performance at RSL/ PSATS Treasurer
#5
10/28/2023

For our second guest interview on the PSATS podcast, the group interviews current PSATS Treasurer Theron Enns. Follow along as we get to know Theron and his role as Senior Director of Athlete Health and Performance at Real Salt Lake. Discover how Theron’s 25 years in MLS has shaped him not only as an athletic trainer but as a person. Theron also explains how he continues to grow his craft along with giving back to the athletic training community.  


Recap Show
#4
10/12/2023

The recap show; the group shares their takeaways from the interview with Sean Kupiec. Eric shares a small insight to a memorable experience he was a part of with a player who returned to the field after a lengthy rehabilitation process.  Also, the group chats about their experiences attending the past MLS Medical Symposiums. Lastly, the group “teases” some news of future PSATS podcast episodes.

Link to website:
PSATS | Professional Soccer Athletic Trainers' Society

Link to MLS Medical Symposium:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/2023-major-league-soccer-medical-symposium-tickets-700531417327?aff=MLSInvites

L...


Interview with PSATS President Sean Kupiec Part 2
#3
09/23/2023

In part 2, we continue our conversation with PSATS President Sean Kupiec, getting to know what it takes to be President of PSATS and the challenges of the position. Secondly, we hear Sean’s most memorable achievements throughout his professional career. Lastly, we get to know Sean on a more personal level through what he does outside of soccer and what he would be doing if not an ATC.  


Interview with PSATS President Sean Kupiec Part 1
#2
09/23/2023

For our first guest interview on the PSATS podcast, the group interviews current PSATS president Sean Kupiec. Discover how Sean’s journey from undergraduate studies have led him to hold the position of Head Athletic Trainer at Los Angeles Football Club, LAFC. Sean takes us through how much growth has been since 2008 till present day when dealing with MLS medical. Discover what it’s like to be a part of two expansion teams in MLS. Also, hear a few good stories as well. 


Introduction - Episode 1
#1
09/05/2023

Join us for our inaugural podcast brought to you by the PSATS Education Committee. Hosts Paul Lombardo, Eric Schwartz and Mitch Toda talk about all things Athletic Training in and out of the soccer world. In the inaugural episode the group introduces themselves and discuss starting this new adventure for PSATS and what we can bring to the listeners. 


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