IM Landscape Growth Podcast

00:30 Host Rob Murray welcomes Derek Wells (Wells Lawn Care & Landscaping) and Sean Baxter (Lawn & Landscape Solutions), both coaches with Jeffrey Scott Group and both dads of four.

02:04 Rob asks for the backstory. Derek shares 20 years in business and why he pulled back from “everything to everyone” in 2018 to focus on maintenance.

03:21 Sean’s story: 26 years, design-build plus maintenance plus in-house pools, and a company mission to build people as much as landscapes.

06:44 Rob digs into focus. Derek on finding what you’re actually good at and The One Thing’s idea of giving your prior...

00:29 Rob welcomes Scott Budreau, the brains, sweat and tears behind Intrigue’s Landscape CRM.

01:10 Scott’s background: building and implementing CRMs for companies, plus running his own home services business.

01:41 What the Landscape CRM is: the only sales and marketing CRM built for landscapers, with about 100 clients and just under 500 active monthly users.

02:10 The big question: what’s the primary growth constraint holding green industry entrepreneurs back?

03:24 Why adoption has to come from the top down, connecting with tools like LMN and Aspire, automating the five minute rule, and the sales proces...

Insurance specialist Greg Botson from Higginbotham, explains how landscape and snow contractors can avoid audit surprises, survive non-renewals, close dangerous coverage gaps, and lower their cost of risk by becoming a better risk. Rob Murray even admits he's excited to host an insurance episode, which may be a podcast first.

00:30 Rob welcomes Michael “Palmer” Palmer of Landscape Collective, a guest with a nontraditional path into the green industry.

01:11 Palmer’s background: design school, branding, agencies, restaurant launches, and startups before joining a commercial landscape group that had completed a dozen or more acquisitions and needed help scaling.

03:11 The core growth constraint: referrals and relationships get you far, then plateau. Most owners dip a toe into new channels without committing the bandwidth or budget to make any of them work.

04:47 The myth that commercial clients never search online. Palmer’s counterpoint: property managers aren’t experts...

00:29  Rob welcomes Paul St. Pierre of Landscape FX (LFX Group), a Windsor-area operator in business since 1987.

01:15  Paul's origin story: a land developer dad, landscaping at 15, flying home from Laurentian University on weekends to work, and skipping teachers college to go all in.

04:01  The scale today: design build (residential and commercial), property care, maintenance and snow, plus Rochester Place resort, a 16-acre supply center, a local publication, a golf course and land development.

06:21  The Gordie Howe Bridge port of entry and the battery plant: back-to-back large-scale projects in Windsor.

07:00  The biggest growth block...

00:29 Rob introduces Mick Selman and Aaron Towlson.
01:07 Mick and Aaron explain their roles: Mick handles SEO strategy and research, Aaron applies it with clients.
02:10 Why this episode exists: a flood of AI SEO noise and questionable AI-generated SEO audits.
03:02 The two audiences every business writes for: robots and people.
03:14 What it means to earn a robot's trust, and why Google's guidelines still lead the pack.
03:37 EEAT defined: experience, expertise, authoritativeness, trustworthiness.
04:38 Aaron's reframe: Google is just trying to answer people's questions well.
05:38 The AI slop problem and why volume of content isn't...

00:29 Welcome back Weston Zimmerman, founder of SynkedUP

01:40 What an MCP server actually does and why SynkedUP built one

03:07 The "Sorcerer's Apprentice" analogy for AI without guardrails

05:00 Deterministic vs. generative AI, the core distinction

07:25 Why vibe coding isn't a replacement for proven systems

10:31 The smarter move: connect vibe coding to the tools you already have instead of replacing them

12:11 The three way fork: contractors who dive in, tread water, or stay agnostic on AI

16:33 The one task to automate first if you're hesitant about AI

00:31 – Introductions and how Rob and Jay first crossed paths on the industry circuit

01:18 – Jay's path into the green industry, from door to door lawn care during the Great Recession to Single Ops and now Down to Earth

04:03 – The question of the show: what is the primary growth constraint holding landscaping entrepreneurs back

04:26 – Jay's answer: the inability to adapt and staff effectively, in both the field and the office

06:26 – The clearest symptom of a company that has not adapted: everything runs through the owner

07:04 – Red flags to watch for, including being unable...

00:31 Intro and welcome

01:06 Nina's background and the 44 Group story: Pro Landscaper's 15th anniversary, Futurescape, Saudi Arabia expansion

02:21 Pro Landscaper International and the awards program

03:14 The number one growth constraint across every market Nina covers: recognition and perception

05:34 Why culture, not perks, is what actually retains talent

06:49 The "train them and they'll leave" fear, and why it's the wrong risk to worry about

07:59 Recognition initiatives: 30 Under 30 (UK) and Rising Stars (US)

09:01 What Futurescape USA actually is and why it exists

10:45 How to register (futurescapeusa...

00:31 – Intro: Rob welcomes Shai Egosi, whose meeting in El Salvador led to this episode

01:47 – How Shai went from software career to pool company owner through a loan gone sideways

04:01 – The six-year scale from $3M to $12M in sales, exit completed July 2025

04:34 – What Shai is building now: Workflow Perfection, a management platform for construction companies

05:19 – The real growth constraint in the green industry: finding people who buy into the vision, not just collect a paycheck

06:33 – Why a well-built "castle" attracts good people before you even have to sell them on it

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00:31 – Welcome and intro to Kevin Scott, president of Muskoka Landscapers and founder of The Wealthy Landscaper 01:33 – Kevin's path: golf course construction, a horticulture degree, growing Gateville Malloy from 80 to 500 employees, then starting Muskoka Landscapers 18 years ago 04:42 – The core question: what's holding landscape entrepreneurs back 07:05 – The symptoms of being under-skilled as a leader at $2.5–3.5M: missed timelines, upset customers, a thinning team 08:52 – The personal cost of running too thin (and the moment his wife had had enough) 11:34 – Why office hires often outperform field hires in ROI 13:16 – The mentor's line that changed everything: "the money you spend in the office is better than the money y...

00:00 Intro: Vanessa welcomes Dana Groh from MSC (Minnesota Sod Company), 30+ years in the business

00:49 What MSC does: two divisions, commercial (sod, turf seed, prairie seed, blanket and hydro mulch) and maintenance (athletic field renovations, fertilizing through full turf renovations)

01:35 National reach: projects as far as Arizona, Colorado, and Michigan

02:07 The niching story: in the early days the "M" stood for miscellaneous. Limited staff forced them to simplify and systemize around turf, fully focused since the early 2000s, maintenance division launched around 2014-2015

03:55 The biggest growth constraint: getting out of your own...

[00:46] Nicole shares her origin story - literature major turned 30-year landscape veteran who has worn every hat in the business.

[02:02] Downer Brothers is at $7M. The real target is $10M at 18% profit. Revenue without margin is "an amplifier of chaos."

[03:43] Culture is the primary growth constraint - not because bad cultures are hard to scale, but because great ones are.

[05:44] The rum line metaphor: culture is the navigational line you have to return to no matter what storms growth throws at you.

[16:38] Nothing earns revenue without the field team. The office...

[00:01] - Introduction: Why This Conversation Matters Rob sets the stage: private equity is flooding the green industry, but the noise around buying and selling landscape businesses is full of misconceptions. Ori Eldarov - founder of OffDeal and former Wall Street investment banker - is here to cut through it.

[01:11] - Ori's Origin Story: From Wall Street to Main Street Ori spent nearly a decade advising on billions of dollars in transactions at a top investment bank. During COVID, a quarter-life crisis led him to try to buy a small business. What he found shocked him: the caliber...

[00:00] — Welcome Back & Jeffrey Scott's Legacy in the Industry Rob introduces Jeffrey as a return guest, recognizing his decades in the green industry, his coaching practice, and the impact of his peer groups on raising professionalism industry-wide.

[01:05] — Customer Obsession + The Power of Pivoting Jeffrey opens with a foundational principle: wake up every day asking how you can help your clients more, better, differently. He ties it to Warren Buffett's line - "I've never seen a customer-obsessed business go out of business"  - and reminds listeners that Apple didn't get to the iPhone on its first or fourth try.

00:00 — Introduction to Joe Salemi

03:06 — What’s Holding Landscape Companies Back

05:05 — The Pandemic Boom and Its Fallout

00:00 – Intro & Guest Background

02:00 – Why Marketing Fails for Most Landscapers

03:30 – The Role of a Fractional CMO

04:30 – The Power of Niching Down

06:00 – Why “We’re the Best” Doesn’t Work

07:30 – Case Study: Absolute Landscapes

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00:02 – Intro + Background

02:18 – Early Business Failures

03:41 – Turning Point

05:55 – #1 Growth Constraint: Knowledge

07:09 – Restaurant Experience = Business Advantage

00:01 – Intro + Background

01:36 – The Origin Story

03:00 – Scaling Through M&A

06:55 – The Core Growth Constraints

12:09 – The Real Driver of Success

00:31 – Intro + why Brad’s perspective matters
Brad’s lived experience + coaching across many companies brings “outside-in” clarity.

01:18 – Apprentice to CEO (the 20-year climb)
Started at ~$600K revenue / ~8 employees, grew into leadership and ownership opportunities.

02:15 – Ownership timeline: minority in 2014, partner retired in 2018
Treated the company like he owned it before he did—took on what others avoided.

03:07 – Coaching + Leanscaper mission
Advises on people/ops; focuses on helping companies get through the $3–5M hump. Uses DISC + Working Genius to place people in the right seats.

06:14 – Primary growth constraint: benchmarking (and why it ticks him o...

00:31–01:20 — Intro + why Willow River Company “means more than people think”

 01:20–03:34 — Origin story: family landscaping business → three brothers take over (2006)

 03:34–04:45 — Diversification: why “all eggs in one basket” eventually breaks you

 04:45–06:03 — Today’s scale: $16.5M sales goal, $15.3M production goal, and the 8% rule

 06:03–08:43 — Biggest growth constraint: people (right roles + letting go of control)

 08:43–10:14 — “We were sucking at everything”: the pain that forces delegation

 10:32–13:04 — The profitability flip: switching to LMN (2015) and learning true costs (overhead, assets)

 12:05–12:51 — Building an asset division: internal equipment “rentals” to price reality properly

 13:30–16:04 — Hiring a six-figure sales pro: expensive… and one of their best...

00:01 – Intro + why Bob stands out: Rob tees up Bob as a rare “actually differentiated” operator.

 00:49 – What Fire by Design does: Custom fire features + components; specialty is automated fire and outdoor-ready ignition.

 01:10 – Origin story + aviation background: Military F-16s, then United Airlines; post-9/11 dissatisfaction drives career shift.

 02:20 – First custom fireplace: One job turns into a niche discovery in Vegas residential fire features.

 03:30 – Bigger commercial work: Large-scale condo/restaurant projects; scaling craftsmanship into repeatable builds.

 05:06 – The problem that sparked innovation: Restaurant sign asks for remote-controlled fire; indoor furnace parts fail outdoors (wind cycling).

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00:31 - Intro: Justin White joins the show
01:08 - “Born into it”: early days in landscaping + discovering the sales side
02:52 - 2015 turning point: family divorce forces a leadership shift
03:03 - Growth story: $1M → $10M in ~5 years; COVID turbulence; $10M → $20M (2022–2024)
03:59 - Why JW Group exists + The Disruptors community (peer-based membership)
05:03 - “The answers in the room”: peer groups vs paid gurus
05:44 - Where to find The Disruptors: JWGroup.com, newsletter, free trial, DMs
06:23 - Company founded in 1986; Justin takes over a 30-year-old business
06:41 - Biggest shift: radical clarity around long-term vision (BHAG)
07:48 - W...

00:01 – Intro + guest setup
Rob welcomes Scot Eckley and frames Scot as a standout example of strong positioning in landscaping.

00:41 – What SEI does (and who it’s for)
Scot explains SEI: a Seattle design-build company focused on helping clients unlock small, urban outdoor spaces; team size ~22 (designers/architects, PMs, builders).

01:33 – Why Scot’s positioning stands out
Rob highlights Scot’s specialization: downtown/urban Seattle + a clear “lane” in marketing and services. (Website mentioned: scoteckley.com)

03:00 – The primary growth constraint
Scot’s answer: the bottleneck is the owner specifically shifting from “I am the solution” to...

00:31 – Introduction
Mike McCarron, owner of ImageWorks Landscaping, joins the show and shares his background in an ultra-competitive DC-area market.

02:48 – The Real Growth Constraint
Mike challenges the “labor shortage” narrative and argues most companies don’t truly know their numbers.

03:37 – Busy vs. Profitable
Why being busy doesn’t equal growth and why fewer employees with higher profit wins.

05:11 – The Wake-Up Call
Mike shares how losing his wife in 2010 tested his business systems and leadership.

07:01 – Early Systems Thinking
How peeling off roles and building structure started well before tragedy forced it...

00:00–01:30 – Introduction to Karol Wyman and the concept behind Outdoor Coffee Shop
01:30–04:45 – What Outdoor Coffee Shop is and how it connects fragmented industries
04:45–06:50 – The biggest growth constraint for contractors: not prioritizing marketing
06:50–09:30 – Why “we’ve never needed marketing” works… until it doesn’t
09:30–11:45 – The real issue: no planning, knee-jerk promotions, and broken follow-up
11:45–15:00 – What a real marketing + sales process actually looks like
15:00–16:50 – Why marketing doesn’t end at the sale (customer journey + case studies)
16:50–18:45 – The mindset difference between stuck businesses and $10M+ companies
18:45–22:30 – Case study: Walsh Construction and the power of unified branding
22:30–25:15 – Succession planning...

00:00–01:55 — James Hatfield’s Background

01:55–03:27 — From Sageworks to LiveSwitch

03:27–07:05 — The Real Constraints to Business Growth

07:05–09:31 — Recurring Revenue vs One-Off Jobs

00:31 — Intro
Rob welcomes Mark Sedgley and tees up his multi-decade journey leading software companies.

01:35 — Mark’s Origin Story
From helping build MemberClicks to steering SingleOps and acquiring LMN—how Mark ended up leading Granum.

03:05 — Lessons from Early Exits & Integrations
Why Mark realized he wasn’t built to work for someone else, and what he learned rolling up companies across industries.

04:30 — Entering the Green Industry
The call that brought him to SingleOps, falling in love with tree care, and realizing landscape ops needed deeper focus.

05:55 — The Birth of “Granum”
How t...

00:00 The core problem: obsession with outputs over inputs. Richard opens with the danger of short-term financial pressure and how it erodes learning and long-term thinking.

00:52 Welcome to the show plus technology hiccups. Rob introduces Richard with jokes, sports banter, and podcast foibles.

02:23 Richard's origin story: ValleyCrest to Sperber. How he grew up in the business, scaled ValleyCrest to $1B+, merged into Brickman/BrightView, and eventually rebuilt Sperber.

04:12 The consolidation era and the modern growth constraint. Richard explains consolidation, culture clashes, and why people still remain the number one growth lever today.

05:47...

00:00 – Welcome & intro
Rob introduces the IM Landscape Growth Podcast and guest Martin Tirado, CEO & Executive Director of the Snow and Ice Management Association (SIMA).

01:09 – What is SIMA and who do they serve?
Martin explains SIMA’s role: education, certification, best practices, legislative work, and the annual Snow & Ice Symposium that many just call “SIMA.”

02:33 – The unsung heroes of winter
Conversation about snow contractors as essential workers keeping transportation lines, parking lots, and entries safe when everyone else is inside.

03:14 – Member base & where they are
Martin shares SIMA’s 1,200 members across the U.S...

00:00 – Intro
Welcome and introduction to Dominick Mondi.

01:25 – Early Lessons in Growth
Dominick shares experiences that shaped his approach to scaling teams.

06:05 – Building Repeatable Systems
Why documenting processes is key to consistent results.

11:30 – Leadership Habits That Work
Communication and alignment strategies that keep teams performing.

17:10 – Reducing Friction in Workflows
Operational changes that improved collaboration and efficiency.

23:45 – Turning Points in Scaling
The critical decisions that drove sustainable growth.

30:20 – Advice for Leaders
Dominick offers practical guidance for leaders looking to scale effectively.

34:15 – Clos...

00:31 – Intro. Why Chris Dyer’s lifelong pursuit is improving the human experience at work.

 01:17 – Origin story. Entrepreneur, “accidental author/speaker,” and the belief that humans are the greatest asset when work isn’t broken.

 03:24 – The constraint today. Convergence of Apple‑level UX expectations + AI‑era overwhelm = buyers freeze; existing clients expect better while prospects can’t decide.

 06:21 – Two jobs of a modern leader. Be the sense‑maker (simplify buying/doing) and guide people through change.

 06:50 – Sell simply first. Let the customer say “yes” to mowing; upsell other services later—don’t overload the first decision.

 08:54...

(00:00) – Welcome back: Rob introduces Frank Bourque, business coach and former landscape company owner.
(01:00) – Why mindset matters more than systems in long-term growth.
(03:00) – The biggest bottleneck in most businesses: the owner’s thinking.
(04:50) – The 5 mindset shifts that change everything:

Fear vs. Curiosity

(10:00) – How fear limits creativity—and how curiosity unlocks innovation.

(12:00) – Journaling and peak-state habits: how to solve problems before breakfast.

(19:30) – Using your calendar to reflect your priorities (and sanity).

(24:00) – “Flip Day”: the small habit hack that bu...

00:31 – Rob introduces guest Darren Oostdyk, founder of Doverscape Design & Build.
01:33 – Darren shares his journey from mowing lawns to running a thriving design-build company.
03:37 – The biggest growth constraint? The owner. Darren dives into how self-awareness changed his leadership.
05:57 – Realizing 70-hour weeks aren’t sustainable—what pushed Darren to rethink his workload.
08:12 – Shedding hats: why he let go of design (his favorite part) to focus on sales and management.
11:23 – The art of delegation: maintaining brand quality while empowering others.
15:00 – How Doverscape’s strong brand attracts both clients and top talent.
17:20 – Creating a work culture where employees feel v...

00:31 – 02:30 | Intro + Origins
Rob and Aaron reminisce about meeting on a beach in Mexico. Aaron shares his start cutting grass at 16 and how a side hustle became a 24-year career.

03:00 – 04:30 | Today’s ACE Outdoor
$14 million revenue, 150 employees, 3 locations in southeast Michigan—primarily commercial lawn and snow services.

04:30 – 06:00 | Biggest Growth Constraint
Relationships are everything — with clients and employees. Longevity of relationships beats short-term wins.

06:30 – 08:30 | Breaking the Muddy Middle
Aaron explains the shift from solo operator to team builder. Pain and determination pushed him past the “middle trap.”

09:00 – 10:30 | When You Can Hire Real Leader...

TimestampTopic01:04From Hobby to CEO: Tiffany Sergi's journey to leading Landscapes by D&J after quitting nursing school to take over the business.02:27The Primary Growth Constraint: Leaders themselves being a bottleneck is the biggest thing holding entrepreneurs back in the green industry.03:10Changing Culture: How self-reflection and implementing core values changed the company culture, starting with the leader.03:59The Core Values "FEATT" Acronym: Fun/Family, Excellence, Accountability, Transparency, and Teamwork.07:19Authentic Reinforcement: Creating a weekly core value winner who receives $20 to reinforce desired behavior.09:56Business Scale: Landscapes by D&J is currently around $4 million in revenue, aiming to flip...

“I was the bottleneck. The biggest growth constraint was me learning to get out of the way.” - Burt Labutte

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Todd Services - Kurt LaButte's company

Peer Group: Jeffrey Scott Consulting – growth-focused landscape peer groups

Books/Authors:

Simon Sinek – leadership and “Start With Why” principles

AI and leadership books (unnamed, referenced as part of Kurt’s learning path)

Game and Business: Referenced as a recommended resource for understanding measurement in business

Topics Discussed:

"Just like you wouldn’t expect to change the culture with just one person, the same goes for landscaping—true transformation comes when we embrace diverse perspectives at the leadership table." – Scott Grams

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Landscape Illinois: https://landscapeillinois.org – the main association for the Illinois landscape industry.

Unreasonable Hospitality by Will Guidara: Amazon link to the book – A book focused on going above and beyond in customer service, offering insights for the landscaping industry.

Malcolm Gladwell's books and podcasts: Malcolm Gladwell's website – Known for his books and the podcast...

"Recruiting is like shaving. If you don't do it all the time, you're going to look ugly." - David Whittaker - quoting Tennesee Football Coach Phillip Fulmer

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

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