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Love all things flying?Industry veteran Jeff Miller is here to help you feel more connected to the skies.Enjoy the friendliest of welcomes as Jeff takes you behind the news, shares tales from history and shares the stories that matter.Got a question for Jeff? Get in touch on dapodcast85@gmail.com and he might just feature it on the show!www.destinationaviation.org
Episode 66 - Buckeye Air Fair: Jets, Desert Skies & Our First Vlog
In this special episode of Destination Aviation, Jeff takes you behind the scenes of his very first vlog — now live on our YouTube channel.
The journey starts briefly in Florida at the ACI-NA CEO meeting, where aviation leaders from across the country gathered to talk airports, innovation, and the future of our industry. From there, Jeff heads west to the desert for the high-energy, jet-fueled excitement of the Buckeye Air Fair in Arizona.
But this trip wasn’t just about airplanes. Along the way, Jeff explores the town of Buckeye, takes in some loca...
Episode 65 - Lost in Translation: Why GCC Tourism Campaigns Miss the American Market
Why do billions of dollars in Gulf tourism and real estate marketing often fail to connect with American travelers?
In this episode of Destination Aviation, Jeff sits down with Rihab Abouzaki, a GCC–US advertising strategist who has spent more than two decades helping tourism boards, luxury travel brands, and real estate developers bridge the gap between the Middle East and Western audiences. With deep experience across the UAE and Gulf region—and now based in the United States—Rihab specializes in translating cross-border campaigns into strategies that actually influence traveler decisions. Her work reflects the im...
Episode 64 - Flying a Car? Nate Thuli on Making Aviation as Easy as Driving
What if flying didn’t have to feel complicated?
In this episode of Destination Aviation, host Jeff Miller sits down with Nate Thuli, President of Airhart Aeronautics, to talk about the future of personal flight.
Nate brings a rare mix of experience to the conversation, from his time in the U.S. Air Force to startup leadership and consumer technology innovation. Together, they unpack how cockpit complexity has held aviation back, why avionics—not airframes—are the real key to unlocking personal flight, and how modular, pilot-centric systems could lower the barrier to entry...
Episode 63 - Tanks to Tarmacs: George Sakas on Leadership, Service, and Aviation
In this episode of Destination Aviation, we sit down with George Sakas of Chicago Executive Airport (KPWK) to talk about a career path that’s anything but ordinary. George shares his journey from serving in the U.S. Army—where he drove tanks—to finding his way into aviation and ultimately becoming the Director of Economic Development & Administrative Services at one of the nation’s busiest general aviation airports.
We discuss how his military experience shaped his leadership style, the skills that translated from armored vehicles to airport management, and what it takes to drive growth and developm...
Episode 62 – Cleared for Silence
As 2025 comes to a close, this episode of Destination Aviation takes a step back — not just to reflect on the year, but to remember the airports that no longer appear on today’s charts.
After a few opening updates and some behind-the-scenes channel news, the conversation shifts into a journey through the ghosts of aviation — airfields that once launched legends, trained generations of pilots, and shaped the cities that grew around them… only to quietly disappear.
These are places where runways have been replaced by parks, neighborhoods, shopping centers, and roads — yet if you listen closely, y...
Episode 61 – From Politics to Planes: Sean White of Jet Access
In this episode of Destination Aviation, Jeff sits down with Sean White, Executive Vice President of FBO Development at Jet Access, whose career traces an extraordinary arc from the halls of Washington to the heart of general aviation.
Before taking on leadership roles in FBO development, Sean spent nearly a decade in federal politics and government service—including positions at the White House, the Small Business Administration, and the Department of Housing and Urban Development. From staffing senior officials to coordinating national and international travel logistics, Sean developed a strategic skillset rooted in policy, communication, and high-stakes co...
Episode 60 - Look for the Arrow—Fuel Here, Think Safety Everywhere with Patrick Moylan
In this episode, Look for the Arrow—Fuel Here, Think Safety Everywhere, Jeff sits down with Patrick Moylan, Chief Safety and Quality Officer at West Star Aviation. Patrick brings more than 25 years of aviation safety and operational leadership experience, but his connection to “safety indicators” began long before his aviation career even took off—his uncle invented the little arrow on your car’s dashboard that tells you which side to fuel from.
From that clever icon to today’s industry-leading Safety Management Systems (SMS), Patrick shares how seemingly small signals can guide major safety...
Episode 59 - Garage-Level Aviation with Kyle Lewis
In this episode of Destination Aviation, we sit down with Kyle Lewis, Regional Manager with the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA). When flight disruptions grounded our original plans, we didn’t let that stop us — we fired up the mics from the Midway Airport parking garage instead.
Kyle shares sharp insights on today’s aviation landscape, from pilot advocacy to industry trends, along with a few laughs and personal stories that every aviator can relate to.
So join us as we keep the parking attendants company, rack up a few...
Episode 58 - Maria Romanick: Keeping Planes Moving and Dreams Rolling
In this episode of Destination Aviation, host Jeff Miller sits down with Maria Romanick, A.A.E., Operations and Maintenance Manager at Minot International Airport — and a pilot with a serious sense of adventure.
Maria shares stories from her time keeping things running smoothly on the airfield, offers smart advice for those looking to break into airport operations, and reflects on her aviation roots at the University of North Dakota. Between the professional insights, plenty of laughs, and a few van-life dreams (yes, she’s thinking of fixing up a Ford and hitting the...
Episode 57 - Wright, Wrong, or Somewhere in Between: The Oldest Airport Debate
In this special on-location episode, host Jeff Miller takes listeners from the buzz of the NBAA-BACE convention floor in Las Vegas to the quiet grass fields where American aviation first took flight. The debate has lingered for more than a century: Which airport can truly claim to be the oldest in the United States?
From the Wright Brothers’ 1909 training grounds at College Park, Maryland, to Pearson Field in Washington and other early contenders, Jeff unpacks the history, the rival claims, and the fine print behind the phrase “continuously operating.”
Whether you’re an aviation...
Episode 56 - From Lesson Plans to Liftoff: Nate Ehlers and the Backseat Pilot Revolution
What happens when a pilot who’s flown everything from C-17s to United Airlines jets decides to reinvent how flight instructors teach? In this episode of Destination Aviation, Jeff Miller sits down with Nate Ehlers — founder of Backseat Pilot, United Airlines pilot, CFI, and Air Force Reserve instructor — to talk about his journey through every corner of aviation training: civilian, regional, military, and airline. With over 8,000 flight hours and experience mentoring countless new pilots, Nate shares how he turned his hard-won lesson plans into a scalable platform now trusted by over 30,000 instructors worldwide. Discover how Backseat Pilot is saving...
Episode 55 - The Sky Is the Road: Alaska’s Flying Tradition
In this episode of Destination Aviation, we head to Alaska — the Last Frontier — to explore its deep connection with aviation. From stories on the road to the daring history of bush pilots, we scratch the surface of how flying became Alaska’s lifeline. Join us as we share adventures, insights, and a glimpse into the skies where airplanes aren’t just transportation — they’re survival.Â
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Episode 54 - Moon Child: A Veteran’s Flight Path with Anthony Dyer
Join us for a moving and insightful conversation with Anthony Dyer, retired USAF Tech Sergeant and author of Moon Child: The Roots and Wings of a USAF Combat Special Missions Aviator. In this episode, Anthony shares:
His journey from the Appalachian Mountains to flying elite combat missions in some of the world's most volatile zones.The emotional realities of military life—including the personal struggles and unseen wounds many veterans carry.How writing Moon Child became his mission to heal others and offer a voice for resilience.The symbolism behind “roots and wings”—honoring where we come from while st...Episode 53 - Kevin Spitz: On the Mic
Episode 53 of Destination Aviation brings aviation engineer Kevin Spitz of Mead & Hunt on the mic. Kevin and I have a long-running, joking back-and-forth, so if you’re expecting a dry engineering lecture… think again. We dig into his role as an aviation engineer, the challenges and creativity that go into airport projects, and of course share a few laughs along the way.
Whether you’re in the industry or just aviation-curious, this episode is packed with insights, stories, and the kind of banter only Kevin and I can get away with.
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Episode 52 - Gary P. Mascaro: Executive On Loan
On this episode of Destination Aviation, former Scottsdale Airport Aviation Director Gary P. Mascaro shares his journey into aviation, leadership insights, and perspectives on the industry. And if the photo for this episode is any indication, we definitely shared some laughs along the way.
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Episode 51 - Built to Bomb, Born to Haunt: The B-52 Story
On this episode of Destination Aviation, we dive into the unbelievable history of the B-52 Stratofortress – a bomber built to win the Cold War but somehow still flying today. From nuclear standoffs and near-disasters to ghost stories and modern mishaps, the BUFF has earned its reputation as the aircraft that just won’t quit. Stick around until the end as I open up some viewer mail and share your thoughts on past episodes.Â
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Episode 50 – From Runways to Reels: Aviation Movies That Soar
On this milestone episode of Destination Aviation, I sit down with Nate Hahn, Executive Director of Evansville Regional Airport—and a true aviation movie aficionado. We dive into the skies of cinema, trading favorite aviation films, underrated gems, and scenes that make every pilot’s heart race (or roll their eyes).
While Nate brings a deep appreciation for storytelling and cinematic nuance, I come in strong with a love for popcorn classics, candy aisle commentary, and the occasional guilty pleasure. (Yes, there may be a Snow Caps reference.)
Whether you're a film buff, an airport junk...
Episode 49 – Lessons from the Admiral: Author Mark C. Fava
In this episode of Destination Aviation, we sit down with author, aviation attorney, and retired U.S. Navy Captain Mark C. Fava for an inspiring conversation drawn from his book Lessons from the Admiral. With decades of leadership experience in both military and civilian aviation, Mark shares stories that blend discipline, service, and the values that define true leadership.
We explore how his time in the Navy and career in aviation law shaped his worldview, his advice for the next generation of aviators and leaders, and the powerful lessons he's carried forward from mentors like...
Episode 48 - When the Host Becomes the Guest: Lauren Carter Interviews Jeff Miller
This week on Destination Aviation, the mic flips around as University of North Dakota aviation student Lauren Carter steps into the interviewer’s seat to put host Jeff Miller in the hot seat!
Lauren, who is working toward her Bachelor of Business Administration in Airport Management and graduating in May 2026, brings her passion for the industry and unique perspective as a student leader and aviation professional. With experience as a Flight Simulator Dispatcher at UND and time spent on the ramp with Unifi, Lauren understands both the operational and people sides of aviation. She’s also active in o...
Episode 47 - Voices for Aviation: Jenny Ann Urban & Randy Deberry on Industry Challenges and Change
In this engaging episode of Destination Aviation, we sit down with Jenny Ann Urban and Randy Deberry from the National Air Transportation Association (NATA). As passionate advocates for aviation businesses, Jenny and Randy share insider perspectives on the biggest challenges facing the industry today—from regulatory shifts and workforce shortages to sustainability and technological innovation.
Tune in as we explore how NATA is driving meaningful change, supporting aviation businesses, and ensuring the skies remain open and thriving for generations to come. Whether you’re an industry professional or an aviation enthusiast, this conversation offers a compelling look behi...
Episode 46 - Altitude & Advocacy: Part 2 with Alex Gertsen
In the second half of our engaging conversation on Destination Aviation, we continue our deep dive with Alex Gertsen, Sr. Director of Airport Advocacy and Vertical Infrastructure at NBAA. Picking up where we left off, Alex shares more about his hands-on experience as a part-time charter captain, including the life-changing missions of organ transport and the operational realities of business aviation.Â
We expand the conversation into the evolving challenges and opportunities in vertical infrastructure, the role of advanced air mobility, and why protecting airport access is more critical than ever. Alex also reflects on the importance of c...
Episode 45 - Altitude & Advocacy: Part 1 with Alex Gertsen
In this first part of a two-part conversation on Destination Aviation, we sit down with Alex Gertsen, Sr. Director of Airport Advocacy and Vertical Infrastructure at the National Business Aviation Association (NBAA). From his early career to his leadership in aviation policy, Alex has built a dynamic path that blends high-level advocacy efforts on the ground with in-the-air experience and exposure to business aviation flying, and being a part time charter captain transporting people and being involved in organ transport operations.Â
We dive into his work supporting airports and vertical infrastructure - protecting access to airports and e...
Episode 44 - Skates to Gates: The Journey of Derek Martin
In this episode of Destination Aviation, we sit down with Derek Martin, Executive Director of Erie International Airport, to explore his unique path through the world of aviation. From chasing pucks on the ice to managing one of Pennsylvania’s key regional airports, Derek shares how his passion for hockey shaped his leadership style and career. Tune in for stories of teamwork, turbulence, and the smooth landings that brought him to where he is today.Â
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Episode 43 - Into Thin Air: The Hidden Danger of Hypoxia
When flying at altitude, oxygen isn’t just optional—it’s essential. In this episode of Destination Aviation, we explore the silent, often misunderstood threat of hypoxia—a condition that can render pilots incapacitated in minutes, sometimes without warning.
We’ll examine several aviation accidents where hypoxia played a role, including the tragic 1999 Learjet crash that claimed the life of professional golfer Payne Stewart. That flight, which flew on autopilot for hours before crashing in South Dakota, is one of the most chilling examples of how quickly things can go wrong when oxygen is lost in...
Episode 42 - From the Ground Up: Julie Curtis and the Rise of South Bend Air Service
In this episode of Destination Aviation, we sit down with Julie Curtis of South Bend International Airport for a candid and engaging conversation about her journey into the aviation industry. Julie shares how she found her way into airport leadership, the ins and outs of air service development at SBN, and the strategies behind attracting and maintaining airline routes in a competitive market. Along the way, we swap stories, reflect on career lessons, and share a few laughs. Whether you're in aviation or just love a good origin story, this episode will leave you inspired by the work happening...
Episode 41 – A Lifelong Love of Flight: Patrick Carreno’s Journey to the Captain’s Chair of DAL
In this episode of Destination Aviation, I sit down for a lively and insightful conversation with Patrick Carreno, the Director of the Dallas Airport System—which includes Dallas Love Field, Dallas Executive Airport, and the Dallas Vertiport. Over the course of an hour, we talk about his lifelong passion for aviation, his path to leadership, and what it takes to oversee one of the busiest and most dynamic mid-size hub airport systems in the country.
From industry trends to operational challenges, Patrick offers invaluable insights into the present and future of air travel. Along the way, we sh...
Episode 40 - Is Aviation Still Safe? A Candid Look Behind the Headlines
With recent aviation incidents making headlines, it's natural to wonder—just how safe is flying today? In this episode of Destination Aviation, we dive deep into the data and the real-world systems that keep our skies secure. From air traffic control and airport operations to general and commercial aviation, we break down the facts, explore the risks, and examine the stories that have caught public attention. Before drawing any conclusions, join me for a thoughtful look at where aviation safety stands today—you might be surprised by what you learn.Â
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Episode 39 - Headwinds: Aviation Incidents, Etiquette, and Travel Tales
In this episode of Destination Aviation, we dive into the latest in aviation news, travel etiquette, and real-world flight experiences. From the debate over bare feet on planes to the critical moments leading to the crash of Delta Flight 4819 in Toronto, we cover it all.
We’ll also discuss the near-miss between Southwest Airlines and Flexjet at Midway Airport, the mid-air collision over Arizona, and what these incidents mean for aviation safety. Plus, I’ll share some follow-up stories from my travels back from St. Lucia and other fascinating aviation tidbits.
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Episode 38 - Truly a Destination Episode: Saint Lucia Bound
Join me as I broadcast live from the stunning island of Saint Lucia! In this special episode, I’ll share highlights from my vacation, offering a glimpse of the island's beauty, must-see spots, and local experiences—from the beach to the mountains. But don’t worry, I’ll still squeeze in some of the latest buzz in the aviation world. Quick updates on major aviation stories and happenings, all while soaking in the island vibes. It’s a blend of travel, aviation, and a little fun in the sun—because, hey, I’ve got to get back to the beach soon!
Episode 37 - Bering Air Flight 445 and My Aviation Ramblings
In this episode of Destination-Aviation, we dive into a variety of aviation topics, starting with the tragic Bering Air Flight 445 crash in Alaska and the latest updates on the investigation. From there, I share personal stories about my recent travels, including a memorable trip to Tucson where I had the incredible opportunity to meet a real-life Top Gun — and get an autograph book from the creator of the renowned Top Gun aviation program! We also talk about my upcoming trip to St. Lucia and how aviation continues to shape my journeys. Along the way, I ramble about everything from in...
Episode 36 - Breaking News: The Crash of XA-UCI - Learjet 55
In this episode of Destination-Aviation, we take a closer look at the tragic crash of Learjet 55 XA-UCI, a medivac flight that crashed shortly after departure from Northeast Philadelphia Airport. The accident, which occurred 1/31/25, has left many questions unanswered, and while we speculate on the possible factors, we do so with caution, avoiding assumptions.
Through this discussion, we’ll explore the challenges faced by medivac flights, the complexities of small aircraft operations, and the factors that can contribute to aviation accidents. We also take a step back to look at past incidents such as Air Midwest Flight 5481, drawing le...
Episode 35 - Aviation Update: DCA 5342 Crash Update & Latest Industry News
In this episode of Destination-Aviation, we bring you the latest developments on the tragic crash of American Airlines Flight 5342 at Washington D.C.’s National Airport, including new findings in the ongoing investigation.
We also provide an update on the incident at North Las Vegas Airport, which we covered in a previous episode, as more details emerge and the investigation progresses.
Plus, we dive into Frontier Airlines’ potential bid to acquire Spirit Airlines, exploring the political and regulatory dynamics at play and what this deal could mean for the future of low-cost travel. We’ll also t...
Episode 34 - Breaking News: DCA - American Airlines 5342 Crash
In this episode of Destination-Aviation, we dive into the details surrounding the tragic crash of American Airlines Flight 5342. We discuss the latest developments, the impact on the aviation community, and what this means for airline safety moving forward.
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Episode 33 - Wings of Power: The Story of Air Force One
In this episode of Destination-Aviation, we take to the skies with a deep dive into the history and significance of Air Force One, the iconic aircraft that transports the President of the United States. From its early beginnings to its current role in presidential travel, learn how Air Force One has evolved and become a symbol of power and security. We also explore some current aviation events, including today’s inauguration of a new president, highlighting the crucial role aviation plays in shaping political milestones. Whether you’re a history buff or an aviation enthusiast, this episode offers an insi...
Episode 32 - Aviation Under Scrutiny: The Crashes of Azerbaijan Airlines & Jeju Air
Destination-Aviation is back with another deep dive into the latest happenings in the world of aviation. In this episode, we take a hard look at the recent tragedies involving Azerbaijan Airlines and South Korean Jeju Air, exploring the causes, investigations, and what these incidents mean for the industry moving forward. But don't worry, it's not all serious business — we sprinkle in a little bit of my dumb humor along the way, because who says aviation news can't be informative and fun? Tune in for the latest stories in aviation, a couple of laughs, and everything you need to...
Episode 31 - Kickers & Whirlwinds: Sam, NBAA, Fast Food, and Love in the Sky
In this exciting episode of Destination-Aviation, we introduce Sam, the CEO of the Arc of Illinois, who brings a unique perspective to the world of aviation. Sam flies alongside our host, offering fresh insights on the connection between aviation and her work in human services. Sam shares her experience at the National Business Aviation Association (NBAA) conference, discussing the latest trends in business aviation and how they intersect with her leadership role. We also dive into some fun topics, from fast food favorites to unexpected stories of love in the sky. Sam's passion for human services adds depth to...
Episode 30 - Turbulence Ahead: Tales and Rants from the Sky
Welcome aboard Destination-Aviation, where we’re taking off into the skies for a thrilling ride in Episode 30. In this episode, we’re tackling everything from wild aviation stories to the politics that shape the way we fly. I’ll be sharing some unforgettable tales from the aviation world, and diving into the turbulence that surrounds both the industry and the politics that influence it.
The episode takes a somber yet fascinating turn as I recount the tragic crash of Reba McEntire’s plane, which claimed the lives of all aboard—except for one survivor. While the story is heartbr...
Episode 29 - Wings of Change: Aviation News & Politics in Flight
In this episode of Destination-Aviation, we’re diving into headlines shaping the aviation world, from groundbreaking technological advancements to key regulatory shifts. We’ll unpack some of the political forces at play, from new government policies to industry lobbying efforts, and how they’re influencing everything from air travel safety to sustainability initiatives. Whether you're a frequent flyer, an industry professional, or simply curious about what’s happening behind the scenes, this episode brings you up to speed on what’s taking off and what’s grounding aviation today.
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Episode 28 - The Descent into Darkness: Germanwings Flight 9525 and the Fatal Suicide Plot
In this gripping episode of Destination-Aviation, we delve into one of aviation’s darkest moments. Germanwings Flight 9525, a seemingly routine journey, became the scene of a harrowing tragedy that shocked the world. Join us as we explore the intricate details and chilling motivations behind the crash, revealing how a single crew member's devastating actions led to the loss of 150 lives. We piece together the events that turned a regular flight into an unforgettable disaster. Tune in for a thorough examination of this complex and somber story, shedding light on its profound impact on aviation safety and regulations.
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Episode 27 - Whistleblowers in the Sky: The Tragic Fate of Boeing's Truth Tellers
Welcome aboard Destination-Aviation, where we unravel the gripping tales of Boeing whistleblowers and the enigmatic shadows that loom over their stories. Delve into the complexities of fate and secrecy in the aviation industry as we navigate through the lives of those who dared to speak truth to power. Join us on a journey where each episode unveils layers of intrigue, exploring how these individuals confronted daunting challenges that transcended the skies.
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