11 Ten Leadership

David and Rob engage in a profound conversation with David Swanson, an author and pastor with a deep commitment to justice and reconciliation. They explore the themes of Swanson's book, Rediscipling the White Church, and its impact over the past five years.

The discussion delves into the current cultural backlash against diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives, and the importance of understanding the deeper roots of greed and fear in addressing systemic injustices. Swanson emphasizes the need for leaders to embody the principles of the kingdom of God, focusing on abundance, playfulness, and a deep connection to...

David and Rob engage in a profound conversation with Gregory Thompson, a scholar, writer, and creative strategist. Greg discusses the nature of effective Christian ministry through the renunciation of control and the importance of repairing harm in the context of racial justice. The episode delves into Greg's transformative experiences in Memphis, his book Reparations: A Christian Call to Repentance and Repair, and the theological foundations of repair. 

Highlighting themes of proximity to the poor, relinquishing power, and embracing Christ in places of pain, this episode provides a powerful narrative on leadership that prioritizes justice and wholeness for a...

Rob and David engage in an insightful discussion with Lauren Gill and Missy Wallace, co-authors of Faith and Work: Galvanizing Your Church for Everyday Impact. The conversation explores how work matters deeply to God and how it plays a crucial role in His unfolding plan for the world.

The episode focuses on the importance of integrating faith into one's work, practical tools for pastors, and the personal and systemic changes needed to align one's work with God’s mission for the redemption of all things. The guests share valuable frameworks and personal experiences that highlight the significance of...

David and Rob sit down with Jared Korver, a wealth manager and advocate for just leadership. They delve into the concept of "artificial poverty," how money can paradoxically lead to anxiety, and the importance of generosity and community. Jared shares his journey from dissatisfaction in a high-demand job to finding purpose in wealth management. He explains his philosophy shaped by his humble upbringing and how he aims to help clients and employees find balance and contentment.

The episode also touches on the role of leadership assessments and the importance of communal support in navigating the complexities of...

When the team is thriving but the leader isn’t, something has to shift. In this episode, Jesse Jones, founder of Fourscore Business Law, shares how executive coaching helped him rediscover purpose, rebuild culture, and step into the hard but holy work of leading with clarity, courage, and conviction.

0:00 Introduction and Personal Struggles

00:52 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast

01:44 Wedding Weekend and Speech Writing

03:58 Introducing Jesse Jones

05:13 Jesse's Leadership Journey and Values

13:33 Personal Mission Statement and Cultivating Culture

17:11 The Thrive Assessment and Executive Coaching

18:53 R...

When the team is thriving but the leader isn’t, something has to shift. In this episode, Jesse Jones, founder of Fourscore Business Law, shares how executive coaching helped him rediscover purpose, rebuild culture, and step into the hard but holy work of leading with clarity, courage, and conviction.

0:00 Introduction and Personal Struggles

00:52 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast

01:44 Wedding Weekend and Speech Writing

03:58 Introducing Jesse Jones

05:13 Jesse's Leadership Journey and Values

13:33 Personal Mission Statement and Cultivating Culture

17:11 The Thrive Assessment and Executive Coaching

18:53 R...

David and Rob are joined by Dr. Natasha Sistrunk Robinson, an accomplished leader with over 20 years of experience across military, government, church, academic, and nonprofit sectors. Dr. Robinson shares her deep personal and professional journey, touching on her experiences as a black woman in leadership and her commitment to intentional discipleship, mentorship, and justice work.

Highlighting the intersectionality of being marginalized for race and gender, Dr. Robinson discusses the importance of lament, community, and joy in leadership. The conversation also delves into her work with Leadership LINKS, a nonprofit dedicated to mentoring young black girls and women...

David and Rob address the current challenges and shifts around diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) within a leadership context. They emphasize staying grounded in faith and conviction rather than being swayed by cultural trends. The conversation bridges practical guidance on maintaining daily rhythms, like those of Biblical figure Daniel, to support just leadership. Additionally, they delve into the intricacies of compliance versus conviction in hiring practices and organizational policies. The episode aims to provide leaders with actionable insights to navigate these nuanced and dynamic times faithfully.

00:00 Introduction and Mission Statement

00:35 Meet the Hosts

01:21...

David and Rob explore the critical distinction between culture fit and culture add in leadership. Using the recent surprising trade between the Dallas Mavericks and Los Angeles Lakers as a case study, they delve into what it means for leaders to hire individuals who not only fit but add to and enhance organizational culture. The discussion extends to the challenges of change management, building trust, and strategies for correcting a toxic workplace culture. Listeners will also learn about tools like the Thrive Assessment to measure and foster a thriving work environment.

00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast

David and Rob celebrate reaching over 75 episodes and announce a shift to a seasonal format for future episodes. The hosts reflect on the podcast's growth, the invaluable input from various guests, and how this new format will allow for more intentional content creation. Stay tuned for more insightful and thought-provoking conversations aimed at developing leaders who make their cities rejoice.

00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast

01:14 Special Announcement: Shifting to a Seasonal Model

01:49 Reflecting on the Journey and Future Plans

04:20 Conclusion and Listener Engagement

David and Rob discuss engaging employees, tackling the "Great Detachment," and the significance of regular feedback and recognition. They explore hybrid work challenges, how to foster meaningful collaboration, and the crucial role of organizational culture. This episode offers practical strategies for leaders aiming to reconnect their teams to their mission and values, ultimately leading to thriving organizations and communities.

00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast

00:49 Casual Catch-Up: Personal Updates and Superbowl Talk

03:18 Diving into 2025 Leadership Themes

03:34 Gallup's Seven Workplace Challenges

05:18 The Great Detachment and Employee Engagement

06:44 Importance...

David and Rob celebrate their 75th episode with a special crossover episode from the Denver Institute for Faith and Work. This episode features an in-depth conversation between Jeff Hoffmeyer and theologian Andy Crouch on the intersection of artificial intelligence, faith, and work. They explore key assumptions about AI, its ethical considerations, and the potential for AI to be used redemptively.

Crouch discusses the importance of preserving human agency, the risks and benefits of AI, and the need for technology to advance human flourishing while maintaining personal responsibility. The episode concludes with a hopeful vision for the future...

David and Rob welcome Katrece Boyd, Executive Director of the Center for Entrepreneurship and Economic Development at North Carolina Central University. They explore how each generation reflects the values of the previous ones and discuss the unique characteristics of Gen Z in the workforce.

Key topics include the importance of meaningful work for Gen Z, the challenges they face in resilience and communication, and practical advice for leaders on how to engage and support this emerging generation. Katrece shares her personal journey in entrepreneurship and offers invaluable wisdom on fostering a healthy and productive environment for young...

David and Rob delve into the story of Zacchaeus to explore the concepts of rest and justice in leadership. They discuss how Zacchaeus, a chief tax collector, experienced grace through a transformative encounter with Jesus, leading him to make radical restitutions.

The hosts emphasize the importance of embracing rhythms of rest, surrounding oneself with supportive community, and maintaining a posture of rest amidst the frenetic pace of business life. The episode encourages leaders to shift from a performance-based identity to one anchored in grace, allowing them to be restorative agents in their cities and industries.

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David and Rob delve into the concept of a Rule of Life as a means to keep God at the center of everything leaders do, contrasting it with traditional New Year's resolutions. They discuss the communal development of their seven principles for 11 Ten Leaders, which include living at rest, loving family, understanding God's heart for justice, building cross-cultural relationships, engaging with those in material need, giving generously, and inspiring a broad vision of success. The episode concludes with a special blessing for listeners ahead of the new year, encouraging them to embody these principles in their leadership journey.

In this special Christmas episode, David and Rob bring together Sharon Mitchell, Pastor Phillip Walker, and Fraley Marshall to discuss the innovative Just Fund initiative. The conversation delves into the transformative potential of this reparative justice fund, which promotes radical generosity and relational proximity by avoiding traditional power dynamics and paternalism. The guests reflect on the journey so far, share their hopes for the fund’s impact, and describe their vision for a beloved community where everyone gives and everyone receives.

Link to the Just Fund: https://triangle.fcsuite.com/erp/donate/list (type “Just Fund” into the sea...

David and Rob sit down with Erik Hanvey, the founder of SASR, to discuss his decision to sell his company and transition into a new venture, WorkerSpring. Eric shares valuable insights about the challenges and lessons learned from selling a business, the importance of maintaining relationships, and the significance of following a mission-driven path. The episode also explores how faith and leadership principles intersect in the business world, providing listeners with practical advice and inspiration for their own leadership journeys.

00:00 Introduction and Personal Reflections

00:25 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast

01:17 Thanksgiving Recap and Fun...

David and Rob dive deep into the realms of leadership, faith, and culture. They are joined by Jes Averhart, a renowned leadership advisor and fourth-generation entrepreneur. Jes shares insights on value-centered leadership, the importance of asking questions over seeking immediate answers, and embracing optimism and curiosity.

Throughout the conversation, various aspects of leadership challenges such as overcoming fear and anxiety, embodying principles, maintaining a 'say-do' ratio, and the concept of 'proximate leadership' are explored. Jes also discusses the significance of being a calm leader in times of flux and change, and shares personal stories to illustrate her...

David and Rob discuss the final quality from David's book The Just Leader: Thriving in a Fractured World. They explore what it means to take bold and courageous action, a necessary trait for just leaders.

The discussion covers three main aspects: actions that are unpopular, disruptive, and slow. They emphasize the importance of looking at long-term impacts and the essential need for leaders to take steps that may not yield immediate results but will benefit future generations. The episode also touches on understanding broken systems, taking generational perspectives, and how to handle discomfort and criticism as a...

David and Rob discuss the all important topic of success: how the world defines it, how scripture transforms it, and ultimately how we make the shift from success as winning to success as flourishing--for others and for ourselves. 

00:00 Introduction: The Paradox of Worldly Success

00:34 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast

01:30 Seasonal Joys and Personal Anecdotes

03:01 Exploring the True Meaning of Success

09:25 Biblical Perspective on Success

14:03 Practical Steps for Leaders to Foster Flourishing

24:26 Preview of Next Episode: Success and Money

26:04 Closing Remarks and Resources

David and Rob tackle the importance of integrating mental health with leadership, both for oneself and for one's organization. They are joined by Dr. Jason Young, a seasoned psychotherapist, who shares insights from his work with business leaders.

The discussion covers the significance of addressing exhaustion, isolation, and the fundamental human need for connection. Dr. Young emphasizes the interconnectedness of spiritual formation and the pursuit of justice, providing practical advice on how leaders can start small and go slow in their mental health journeys.

The episode also highlights the 'Six Stones' retreat program, designed to...

David and Rob discuss impactful charitable investing with Paul Hawkinson, Co-Founder and Executive Director of Transform Capital. Paul's journey from Wall Street to social impact entrepreneurship is explored, highlighting the innovative model of Transform Capital which uses purely philanthropic dollars to fund sustainable, below-market rate mortgage loans for marginalized communities.

The discussion emphasizes mutual transformation through proximity, with real-life stories of impact from both clients and investors. As Paul shares his personal experiences and vision for the future, he encourages business leaders to reimagine traditional philanthropic approaches and invest in creating systemic change.

00:00 Introduction and...

David and Rob delve into the concept of 'gleaning'—a biblical principle designed to help the less fortunate by leaving the edges of fields unharvested. They discuss how this ancient practice can be adapted to modern business strategies to benefit both companies and communities. The conversation covers the importance of not waiting for the perfect time to start gleaning, practical examples of how businesses can implement gleaning strategies, and the need for businesses to adopt a broader vision of success focused on community impact.

Statistics about current charitable giving and debt among Christians provide a sobering backdrop, un...

David and Rob engage in a deep conversation about effective money stewardship to promote justice and community wellbeing. Joined by Craig Stephenson, CEO of Cary Oil Company, Inc., and Hunt Davis, founder of Canopy Lawn Care, they explore evolving perspectives on money, stakeholder capitalism, and the ethical responsibilities of leadership.

Key discussions include the multifaceted nature of money, its influence on personal and family life, and the paradox of financial success. The speakers emphasize the importance of intentionality in financial planning, ethical resource allocation, and the role of financial education for children. They also delve into economic...

David and Rob are joined by guest Dr. Michaela O'Donnell, Executive Director Chair at the Max De Pree Center for Leadership and co-author of the book Life in Flux: Navigational Skills to Guide and Ground You in an Ever-Changing World. They delve into essential themes such as leading through uncertainty, internal growth, and systemic innovation. Key discussions highlight the importance of adaptive strategies, vocational transitions, balancing innovation with stability during crises, and aligning personal with organizational missions.

Through captivating analogies and practical examples, the podcast offers valuable insights to help leaders cultivate self-awareness, navigate complexities, and foster...

David engages in an insightful conversation with Paul Green, former leader of Hope for the Inner City in Chattanooga, Tennessee. The discussion revolves around authentic leadership, particularly focusing on building genuine relationships as leaders—with peers, subordinates, and within the community.

Paul shares his personal experiences and challenges, especially as a Black leader, and the importance of having trusted allies. He recounts overcoming initial mistrust and isolation and finding genuine connections through networks like the Christian Community Development Association.

Paul emphasizes the significance of vulnerability, setting boundaries, and nurturing team members as integral to effective le...

David sits down with Paul Green, one of his mentors and a long-time director of Hope for the Inner City in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Paul shares his personal journey from being a first-generation immigrant and his transformative encounter with faith in Compton, California, to his leadership role in the challenging environment of inner-city projects. A key discussion point includes the importance of listening and embracing the perspectives of others in leadership.

Paul emphasizes the role of authentic relationships, prayer, and the support system needed to sustain leadership amidst challenges. The conversation also delves into balancing leadership responsibilities with...

In this episode, Adam Gustine discusses how leadership in both church and business settings can move beyond a narrow focus on justice as outreach strategy to cultivating thriving communities where justice is a core value. He challenges leaders to prioritize transformation within their own organizations and to rethink power dynamics and compensation structures in ways that reflect ethical contributions, not just economic value. Adam shares insights from his book, Becoming a Just Church, and explores how business leaders can integrate these principles to foster workplaces of kinship and belonging.

00:37 Proverbs 11:10: A Vision for Leadership

01:52 Justice...

In this episode, David and Rob are joined by Lauren Gill, Senior Director of the Global Faith and Work Initiative at Redeemer City to City. The discussion dives deep into the concepts of idolatry, faith, work, and justice, exploring how leaders can integrate their faith into their professional lives and make a positive impact on those on the margins of society.

Lauren shares her journey from the arts to ministry, highlights key lessons from her collaborative projects, and provides practical strategies for living out one's faith in various career spaces. The episode concludes with actionable advice on...

In this episode of the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast, David sits down with Tyler Graybeal, CEO of Southern Outdoor Restoration, and Jeff Brovet, Partner at Thomas Judy and Tucker to discuss how they lead their companies, model what it looks like to give away power, and embody other qualities of a just leader. Hear their unique leadership journeys, lessons learned, and the importance of investing in people to create thriving workplace environments.

00:00 Introduction to Profitability and Justice

00:29 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast

01:16 Meet the Hosts and Today's Guests

01:39 Unpacking Just Leadership...

David and Rob explore the concept of giving power away. They discuss the intersection of power, leadership, and faith, examining how leaders can create environments where everyone thrives. David shares insights from his book on the four qualities of a just leader, with a focus on power. The episode features real-life examples, including Martin Luther King Jr. and Nelson Mandela, and offers practical advice for leaders on how to cultivate a thriving workplace.

00:00 Introduction

01:50 Series Context

03:18 Defining Power

08:38 God's Power vs. Worldly Power

14:55 Examples of Giving Power Away

David and Rob delve into the complexities of cultural competency regarding sexuality and gender. They discuss the importance of leadership in navigating diverse beliefs within workplace settings. The episode covers key statistics, personal reflections, and practical strategies for leaders to foster inclusivity and acceptance while maintaining their convictions.

00:00 Introduction

01:21 Setting the Stage

01:38 Conversation around Cultural Competency

04:09 David's Personal Reflection

04:27 Leadership Nuances and Challenges

11:32 Approaching the Conversation

13:46 Framing and Self-Examination

18:36 Example from Jesus' Life

25:08 Closing Thoughts

25:51 Sign Off

In this episode of the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast, hosts Rob Shields and David Spickard delve into the intricate challenges of material poverty, justice, and leadership with their guest Shay Bethea Bassett. Shay, a dedicated advocate for economic development and justice, shares her profound personal journey from growing up in poverty as the youngest of ten children to becoming a leader at the Chalmers Center for Economic and Development.

Shay discusses the stark realities and traumas associated with poverty, touching on themes such as broken relationships, societal stereotypes, and the emotional burden of living in generational poverty. She...

David and Rob dive deep into the significance of cultural competency, particularly around issues of poverty. The discussion includes practical insights on defining poverty, overcoming obstacles that prevent business leaders from engaging with the materially poor, and what it looks like for companies to act as Good Samaritans in their communities.

00:00 Introduction to 11 Ten Leadership

00:47 Personal Catch-up

02:41 Introduction to Cultural Competency and Poverty

03:57 Defining Poverty

05:35 The Complexity of Poverty

10:16 Poverty and Business Leaders

18:11 Challenges for Business Leaders in Addressing Poverty

18:50 Connectedness and Community<...

David and Rob delve into the critical topic of cultural competency with a focus on race. They discuss what it means to be a just and inclusive leader, drawing from biblical principles and their own experiences. David and Rob share practical steps leaders can take to build cultural competency within themselves and their organizations, emphasizing the importance of ongoing learning and humility in this journey.

00:00 Introduction

01:48 Cultural Competency Framework

03:07 Why Race Matters

13:53 Challenges and Strategies

23:20 Closing Thoughts

29:03 Call to Action

In this episode, Rob and David discuss the importance of building cultural competency for leaders who aim to steward their power, wealth, and influence justly. This episode features a replay of a foundational discussion on cultural competency, delving into the nuances of leading across cultural lines, and the importance of engaging in lament and repentance. Join the conversation to learn how to foster trust and effective engagement across diverse cultures.

00:00 Introduction

00:46 Return to Conversations

04:41 Defining Cultural Competency

01:58 Relevance of Cultural Competency

04:31 Challenges and Real-world Applications

10:11 Biblical Foundation...

In this milestone 50th episode of the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast, Rob and David celebrate their journey so far, share insights on their most impactful episodes, and reflect on personal and professional growth. They also discuss recommended resources and what they’ve been consuming lately in terms of books, podcasts, and other media. Looking ahead, they provide updates on future episodes of the podcast.

00:00 Introduction: Celebrating 50 Episodes

04:17 Top Five Most Downloaded Episodes

07:38 Reflection on Impactful Episodes

10:18 David's Current Reads, Watches, and Listens

12:26 Rob's Current Reads, Watches, and Listens

15:34 Ga...

In this episode, Rob and David revisit a previous discussion on the concept of lament and its vital role in leadership. As they explore the intersections of leadership, faith, and culture, Rob and David reflect on the importance of lamenting current and historical injustices to embody just leadership. They offer insights on the barriers to practicing lament and share practical examples of leaders who have navigated these challenging waters effectively.

00:00 Introduction to 11 Ten Leadership Podcast

00:46 Revisiting the Concept of Lament

06:51 Defining Lament in Leadership

07:46 The Three Steps of Lament

10:38...

Rob and David engage in an inspiring conversation with Pastors Ken and Beverly Jenkins from Ferguson, Missouri. The discussion dives into the heart of what it means to be a just leader, exploring themes such as community leadership, equity, and the extraordinary work being done by the Jenkins' through their R & R Marketplace project.

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:46 Focus on Just Leadership

02:32 Introducing Ken and Beverly Jenkins

05:52 Background on Jenkins’ Work

08:28 Community and Equity

10:12 Call to Righteousness

16:59 Challenges and Needs in Ferguson

35:12 Vision for R...

In this episode of the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast, David and Rob discuss the importance of leaders investing in their communities for mutual transformation, emphasizing the need to see the entire community to truly understand and serve it. Practical advice is given on learning the history of one's city, engaging with community members and organizations, and leading with humility and curiosity. This episode guides leaders on how to embed community engagement into their business practices for long-term, impactful change.

00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast

00:46 Personal Stories and Vision

02:48 The Importance of Seeing the...