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Episode 41: Robb Layne Talks Lived Experience in SUD Policy Advocacy
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In this episode, we talk to Robb Layne, the executive director of CADP, about advocacy, integrating behavioral health services, and the importance of community-based treatment.

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Episode 40: The Importance of Diversity and Education with James B. Golden
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06/16/2026

In this episode, we talk to James B. Golden about diversity in the field, training, and leadership. Visit our website at www.nbhap.org.


Episode 39: Leslie Gold Talks About the Importance of Exercise in Recovery
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05/17/2026

In this episode, Leslie Gold of Strides in Recovery runs to talk about the benefits of exercise in recovery. Visit our website at www.nbhap.org.


Episode 38: Zach Rothenberg Talks Zoning and Marketing
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04/16/2026

In this episode, Zach Rothenberg talks about being an attorney in the behavioral health industry with regards to reimbursement, marketing, zoning, and more. Visit our website at www.nbhap.org.


Episode 37: Designing SUD Programs and Working with the Community with Justin Phillips
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03/17/2026

In this episode, Justin Phillips discusses the military, leadership, and designing SUD programs. Visit our website at www.nbhap.org.


Episode 36: Getting Political with Michael King
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02/17/2026

Michael King discusses politics and leadership in the behavioral health and addiction fields. Visit our website at www.nbhap.org.


Episode 35: Change Management and Conflict Resolution with Martha Rackets
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01/17/2026

In this episode, Dr. Martha Rackets discusses change management, conflict resolution, leadership, and her own approach to working in the industry. Visit our website at www.nbhap.org. 


Episode 34: Judy Redman Works with the Incarcerated to Become Counselors
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12/17/2025

Judy is a deeply respected leader in the field of addiction treatment and education. She has dedicated her life to the betterment of treatment and the advancement of recovery services, working tirelessly to improve systems and support those on the path to healing.

She has been a passionate educator at InterCoast Colleges since 2004, where she’s mentored and instructed hundreds of students — many of whom have gone on to become leaders in their own right. With more than two decades of experience working with SUD treatment facilities, Judy brings deep insight into what it takes to create mean...


Episode 33: Alexandra Miles Talks Eating Disorders and Project Blackbird
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11/17/2025

Alexandra Miles is a Washington, D.C., based producer, actor, and non-profit founder with a focus on mental health impact. Alexandra earned degrees in Business and Fine Arts from Boston University and SCAD before producing the short film ‘Project Blackbird’. She then founded the related non-profit of the same name that provides mental health awareness and access to resources through their touring program. This program tours high school and college campuses and pairs a screening with athletes, actors, and other public figure guest panelists sharing their lived experience, then connecting these audiences with free therapy and other mental health reso...


Episode 32: Barbara Aday-Garcia, Management Consultant in Addiction Treatment
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10/16/2025

Barbara Aday-Garcia is an accomplished CEO with over 39 years of extensive experience in the field of alcohol and drug use recovery services. Her career is distinguished by her leadership in program development, implementation, and management, particularly within the alcohol and drug treatment sectors. Barbara’s deep understanding of California’s DUI System and addiction treatment regulations has positioned her as a pivotal figure in shaping recovery services and policies.

Currently serving as the CEO of AG Management Consulting LLC, Barbara oversees a wide range of services aimed at enhancing organizational efficiency, standardization, and fiscal stability. Her work incl...


Episode 31: Christopher Wolfington and Pete Nielsen Talk Patient Financial Responsibility
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09/16/2025

In this episode, Chris Wolfington and Pete Nielsen have an off-the-cuff conversation about patient financial responsibility and how it affects the industry.

Chris Wolfington is the founder and chief revenue & strategy officer of FinPay. He has more than 31 years of experience in technology, healthcare, payments, consumer, and financial services companies.

Chris is determined to utilize his talents to positively impact these industries. With a keen sense of leadership, he has used his passion, energy, and capital to lead numerous businesses in the areas of payments and financial services, including three public companies.

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Episode 30: Pattie Vargas and Being a Grief Educator
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08/16/2025

Pattie’s life is a testament to the profound strength of the human spirit and the ability to find purpose amid overwhelming pain. After facing the heart-wrenching challenges of having two of her three children struggle with substance use disorder, Pattie’s world was further shaken when her son, Joel, lost his decades-long battle with the disease in 2017. In the wake of this profound loss, Pattie became determined to better understand the family experience of addiction. She has since used her own lived experience to support and guide others who are navigating the isolating and stigmatizing road of addiction and...


Episode 29: From Junkie to Judge's Mary Beth O'Connor
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07/16/2025

Mary Beth O’Connor has been sober from her methamphetamine use disorder since 1994. She also is in recovery from abuse, trauma, and anxiety. She wrote about her story in her award-winning memoir From Junkie to Judge: One Woman’s Triumph Over Trauma and Addiction.

Mary Beth is a director for She Recovers Foundation and for LifeRing Secular Recovery. She also is on the Advisory Council for The Hyer Calling Foundation. She regularly speaks on behalf of these organizations and about multiple paths to recovery. This includes television, radio, conferences, podcasts, and recovery houses. She develops relationships with othe...


Episode 28: Dr. David Best of the Centre for Addiction Recovery Research
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06/16/2025

Dr. Best is Professor and Director of the Centre for Addiction Recovery Research (CARR) at Leeds Trinity University, Honorary Professor of Regulation and Global Governance at The Australian National University, Adjunct Associate Professor of Addiction Science at Monash University (Melbourne) and Affiliate Senior Scientist at the Public Health Institute in California. He is also a founding member of the College of Lived Experience Recovery Organisations in the UK and of the Inclusive Recovery Cities movement where he is chair of Inclusive Recovery Cities UK.

Trained as a psychologist and criminologist, he has worked in practice, research and...


Episode 27: Gina Thorne with GTC Consulting
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05/16/2025

Gina Thorne brings three decades of expertise in behavioral health, specializing in business development and marketing. Her extensive background spans private and public sectors, working with in-patient treatment centers, psychiatric hospitals, and educational institutions across several states, including Florida, New York, and Colorado.

Gina has been instrumental in leading marketing, alumni relations, and admissions efforts for prominent treatment programs on both coasts. Her achievements include co-founding the Colorado Professional Liaison Association (CO-PLA) and serving in key roles like Board Co-Chair for Treatment Professionals in Alumni Services (TPAS). With a deep understanding of mental health and substance use...


Episode 26: Marketing in the Industry with Nick Jaworski
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04/16/2025

Nick Jaworski is an internationally recognized executive in the field of behavioral health marketing and operational consulting with experience building organizations across four continents. As the owner of Circle Social Inc., he has helped healthcare organizations ranging in revenue from $10 million to $300 million a year perform turn-rounds and accelerate growth.

He is a recipient of the prestigious Jefferson Award for his work in mental health, is an adviser to the board for the National Behavioral Health Association of Providers, and is also on the board for one of the most innovative treatment programs in the country – Above an...


Episode 25: Mark Attanasi with IC&RC
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03/16/2025

A native of New Jersey, who now lives in Oklahoma, Mark Attanasi has been in recovery for 25 years. He is currently the CEO of IC&RC which provides peer credentialing exams.

He brings a wealth of knowledge, and formerly served as the Executive Director of the Oklahoma Drug & Alcohol Professional Counselor Association since 2010. Moreover, Attanasi has over 21 years of non-profit leadership experience, and has been in the behavioral health field since 1999.


Episode 24: Drew LaBoon of Pathways
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02/16/2025

Drew LaBoon serves as the Chief Operating Officer of Pathways Recovery Centers, where he combines leadership, operational excellence, and a passion for innovation to advance substance abuse treatment. In addition to his role at Pathways, Drew is the Co-Founder and President of the Board of Pathways to Innovation, a nonprofit organization focused on transforming the mental health and substance abuse treatment industry.

Drew is a retired Special Operator who served in multiple high-stress combat deployments. His military career instilled in him resilience, leadership, and a solutions-oriented mindset, all of which he applies to his work in healthcare...


Episode 23: Tim Cesario with TJC Consulting, LLC
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01/16/2025

Tim Cesario has worked in the field of substance use counseling since 1990 as a counselor, clinical supervisor, team leader and program director. He currently serves as the Director of Recovery Services for Cumberland River Behavioral Health, Inc. During his time as director, Tim developed programs to meet the needs of people with substance use disorder in underserved areas of southeastern Kentucky. In 2012, he founded TJC Consulting, LLC, and provides consultation to organizations seeking to develop treatment programs, assist with grant writing and provides trainings throughout Kentucky and several other states.

Tim is the former Chair of IC...


Episode 22: Dr. Louise Stanger with All About Interventions
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12/16/2024

Dr. Louise Stanger LCSW, CDWF, CIP, CILC is a preeminent interventionist, family clinician /coach and thought leader in the behavioral health (mental health and addition) industry. She serves as Director of Family Services for YPM, a global initiative to help mitigate risk. She also serves as a clinician Interventionist for The Balance - Mallorca, Zurich London.

Dr. Louise has received many distinguished awards for her work. She is a prolific writer with over 500 blog posts and magazine and newspaper articles, and the author of four books. She continues to do her own original work looking at families...


Episode 21: Julie Seitz with All Rise
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11/16/2024

Julie Seitz is a Project Director with the Impaired Driving Solutions (IDS), All Rise (formerly NADCP) division, providing training and technical assistance to the treatment court field. Julie joined IDS in 2018, bringing 20 years of experience working in the clinical sector and community program development. Before joining IDS, Julie was the clinical director of an internationally recognized treatment center offering the entire continuum of clinical care, including a first-of-its-kind direct access opioid withdrawal unit, where she was the project lead. As a published author and clinician, she has spent the last 20 years of her career giving clients a voice. Her...


Episode 20: Jordan Young
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10/16/2024

In 2010, Jordan’s personal recovery and desire to help others pushed him away from corporate B2B sales and towards behavioral healthcare. He began his career in an admissions role at the corporate headquarters of one of the industry’s most respected companies. In that role, he worked with over 4,000 patients and their families to coordinate treatment with hundreds of treatment centers around the country and facilitate intervention services. In 2018, his aspirations to make a more significant impact on behavioral healthcare led to the creation of Jordan and Associates Consulting, whose purpose is to leverage the experience, education, and thou...


Episode 19: B J Davis
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09/16/2024

Dr. B J Davis (he/him) is the Executive Director of Sacramento Recovery House residential treatment programs and the owner of Davis Consulting. Additionally, Dr. Davis is an Adjunct Professor in the Forensic and Clinical Psychology Doctoral Program at Alliant International University, is a consultant to the Sacramento AIDS Housing Alliance, and is the past vice chair of the CAADAC Counselor Certification Board.

Dr. Davis is the author of the 2009 DVD What is Recovery?: A Quality-of-Life Perspective, and is considered an excellent motivational speaker and is an often sought out lecturer, presenter, and keynote speaker regarding addictions...


Episode 18: Jason Roop
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08/16/2024

Dr. Jason Roop is the founder and CEO of the Center for Trait-Based Transformation and serves as the Vice President of Research and Development for Hometown Health System.

Having experienced 17 years of active addiction, which led to homelessness, Jason entered treatment in 2013 and has been in recovery ever since. An author of several publications on the leadership traits of individuals with substance use disorder, Jason is a frequent speaker at national addiction treatment conferences and is a member of the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission.

Jason's research emphasizes the inherent strengths and qualities of individuals...


Episode 17: Jeffrey Quamme
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07/16/2024

Jeffrey Quamme is the Chief Executive Officer of the Connecticut Certification Board, a workforce development agency focused on the SUD prevention, treatment, recovery and harm reduction industry.

He is an internationally certified Master's level addiction counselor and clinical supervisor, and holds credentials as a Certified Nonprofit Executive and Certified Nonprofit Consultant. He is an expert trainer as well as a podcaster and author.


Episode 16: Ryan Hampton
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06/16/2024

Ryan Hampton is a nationally recognized activist and organizer. He's a person in recovery from addiction and the author of Unsettled and American Fix.

A prominent speaker, author, media commentator and panel participant, Ryan travels coast-to-coast to add solutions to our current addiction epidemic. A former White House staffer, he has worked with multiple non-profits and national recovery advocacy campaigns. This includes Mobilize Recovery.


Episode 15 - Lee Dalphonse
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05/16/2024

As an educator, organizational consultant, and psychotherapist, Lee Dalphonse has consistently been recognized as a tireless advocate for the underserved, with his advocacy targeting issues of access, quality, and effectiveness of mental health and addiction-related services. Recognized locally and nationally as an agent of change, Lee has consistently been at the forefront of emerging best practices, and an early adopter of numerous innovations in care delivery that are now considered the gold standard of care.

Lee holds dual state licensure as a Mental Health Counselor, and as a Chemical Dependency Clinical Supervisor, and he is Board Certified...


Episode 14: Jen Carvalho
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04/16/2024

Jen Carvalho is a proven leader in the behavioral health industry -- adeptly leading in times of crisis and calm. As a facility and system CEO for much of her career, she has developed a leadership style that supports professional and system development, transparency, and global thinking. To that end, Jen has served on the boards of CCAPP, NBHAP, and NAATP.

Currently the President/COO of Your Behavioral Health, Jen is focused on providing dynamic leadership to multi-disciplinary teams with converging goals. Despite a significant focus on the work of providing access to care, Jen is grounded...


Episode 13 - Andrew Kessler
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03/16/2024

Andrew Kessler, JD, is founder and principal of Slingshot Solutions LLC, a consulting firm that specializes in behavioral health policy. His clients, past and present, include IC&RC, CCAPP, and NBHAP.

With 20 years of policy experience and over a decade in behavioral health, Andrew is a fixture in circles that advocate for substance abuse treatment, prevention, and research. He collaborates frequently with congressional offices, the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, NIDA, SAMHSA, and other federal actors.

Andrew has written legislation and report language adopted by both the House and Senate Appropriations Committees...


Episode 12: Nick Stavros
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02/16/2024

Nick Stavros is the CEO of Community Medical Services, where he has worked for the past 10 years.

Previously, Nick was an intelligence analyst and Arabic linguist in the U.S. Army and finished his military career as an Airborne/Ranger-qualified Infantry Captain and Iraq War veteran. Upon honorably discharging from the Army, Stavros received his MBA from the UCLA Anderson School of Management and is an alumnus of the Arizona Valley Leadership Institute.

Nick is on the board of the National Association for Behavioral Health (NABH) and chairs its Medication Sub-committee. He is also the...


Episode 11: Tom Karl
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01/18/2024

Tom Karl is the founder and chief executive officer of R1 Learning. Through R1, Tom’s goal is to put impactful self-discovery tools into the hands of individuals in recovery and empower them to change their lives.

Tom is a graduate of Duke University with a Bachelor of Science degree in economics. Tom currently volunteers on the Patient & Family Engagement Advisory Council at Inova Healthcare System in Virginia. He is active in the recovery community, is a founding member of RecoveryDC, and volunteers with patient engagement programs.


Episode 10: Yvonne Vollaire
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12/16/2023

Yvonne Vollaire has been active in the drug and alcohol treatment industry for over twenty + years with intensive involvement in civic, private, and non-profit organizations. Yvonne has been serving justice-involved individuals and specializing in gender-responsive services for incarcerated women and has managed numerous programs in custody and community-based organizations.

Yvonne has spearheaded the Sheriff’s Community Alliance, composed of community and faith-based organizations with existing funding sources dedicated to providing a seamless continuum of care for our retuning citizens being released. Her most recent assignment was contracted with the Los Angeles Sheriff's department (LASD) serving as the Di...


Episode 9: Mell McCracken
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11/20/2023

Mell McCracken is a trauma informed substance abuse counselor and Associate Sex Addiction therapist currently working at Breathe Life Healing Center as a Chemsex Program Manager. They are a seasoned chemsex counselor that utilizes an experiential based, sex positive, gay affirmative approach to recovery from addiction and compulsive sexual behaviors. Mell is also a faculty member with the International Trauma and Addiction Professionals (IITAP) and a Rainbow Advocate Educator.


Episode 8: Dan Manson
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10/16/2023

Dan Manson has been working in the substance abuse treatment industry for over 27 years. His passion is helping addicts not only address their addictions, but dive deep into themselves and their own vision for the future. This includes really discovering who they are inside (often for the first time), who they want to have in their lives and what drives them to want to live a better life.

Dan is the co-Founder, President and Chairman of Elevate Addiction Services. He has appeared on television, radio and in the news. Most recently, he has written a book called...


Episode 7: Patrick Lockwood
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09/16/2023

Dr. Patrick Lockwood grew up in a small southern Missouri town, enculturated with classical southern and Midwestern values like honesty, integrity, and the “neighborly” way of relating to people. He completed his B.A. in psychology at the University of Missouri, then moved to L.A. to earn his Doctorate of Psychology at TCSPP.

Dr. Lockwood has worked for non-profits, treatment centers, and has been a part of a number of startups over the past ten years. His background in community interventions began before he even graduated from the University of Missouri where he successfully co-authored a gran...


Episode 6: Dr. Marlon Rollins
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08/16/2023

Marlon Rollins, PhD, LPCC, LMHC is a member of the California Hospital Association, and a licensed therapist with more than 15 years of experience in mental health, dual diagnosis, and addiction treatment management. He has served as CEO and COO at some of the largest psychiatric hospitals and addiction programs in the state of California.

In his role as COO and President of Addiction Services with Renewal Health Group, Marlon supports leadership to align operations to meet organization goals. He also advises on strategic planning with the CEO and CFO to help enhance program services.

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Episode 5: Harry Nelson
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07/17/2023

Harry Nelson is the founder and managing partner of Nelson Hardiman, LLP, as well as the founder of the National Behavioral Health Association of Providers.

Beyond his legal expertise, Harry is known nationally as a consummate leader at the intersection of healthcare law and business, as evidenced by his role in co-founding five healthcare-related start-ups in the last decade. Deeply immersed in healthcare transformation and innovation; he frequently speaks on cutting edge issues and the future of the industry itself.


Episode 4: Zac Spowart
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06/27/2023

Zac Spowart is nomadic in nature, and presently resides in Bali, Indonesia, after living in a variety of states around the USA. He is open about his 16 years of recovery from alcohol and other drugs, with a sobriety date of 11/28/2006, and as such has adopted the name “Nomadic Addictt” to account for his lifestyle and passions.

He has been successful in numerous departments within the behavioral health care industry. He has experience in clinical services, compliance, quality assurance, program development, and business management and strategy.

He dedicates his time to the addiction and behavioral health care...


Episode 3: Dave Sheridan with NARR
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05/15/2023

Dave Sheridan is the Executive Director of the National Alliance for Recovery Residences. He is a national speaker and writer with a primary focus on the development and operation of statewide recovery housing systems. He is also an advocate and resource on fair housing issues.

His professional background is in institutional investments, and he currently advises mid-size companies on matters including asset management, capital structure, business combinations, new venture financing and business planning.

His behavioral health industry experience includes CFO and COO positions with a prominent southern California provider. Dave also serves on the board...


Episode 2: Pete NIelsen
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03/14/2023

Pete Nielsen is the President and Chief Executive Officer for the California Consortium of Addiction Programs and Professionals (CCAPP), CCAPP Credentialing, CCAPP Education Institute and the National Behavioral Health Association of Providers (NBHAP), and the Publisher of Counselor Magazine.