Scoop & Scale: An Equine Podcast (Mostly) About Nutrition
Dr. Clair Thunes and Jill Jackson dish up the science and weigh the facts about equine nutrition, horse care, and industry topics.
Equine Gastric Ulcers: What We Know, What’s Changed & What We’re Getting Wrong with Dr. Ben Sykes | Ep. 86
Equine gastric ulcer syndrome (EGUS) is a common concern for horse owners, but not all gastric ulcers are the same. In this episode of Scoop & Scale, we’re joined by Dr. Ben Sykes, an equine internal medicine specialist and leading researcher on equine gastric ulcer disease. Together we discuss squamous gastric disease, glandular gastric disease, and the confusion surrounding so-called hindgut ulcers in horses.
We explore how these conditions differ, how veterinarians diagnose and treat gastric ulcers, and why some horses struggle to heal despite treatment. We also discuss current research on ulcer medications, nutrition, stress, management, an...
Laminitis in Horses: Managing Insulin Dysregulation, Diet, Medications & Hoof Care Part 2 | Ep. 85
In Part 2 of our conversation on laminitis, we continue our discussion with Dr. François-René Bertin, DVM, MS, FHEA, PhD, DACVIM (LAIM), a Professor and Director of the Nancy Fair Link Laminitis Research Centre at Mississippi State University, focusing on what horse owners can actually do to manage horses at risk of, or actively dealing with, laminitis. We talk about diet, insulin dysregulation, supplements, medications, and hoof care, including some of the areas where there is still plenty of debate and confusion.
In this episode, we discuss:
• How diet and NSC fit into managing insulin dysregulation and...
PPID & Insulin Results Discussion
Listen to our discussion as we go over Jill's horse's PPID and insulin results. In this short conversation, We sit down to go through Jill’s horse’s actual bloodwork and talk about what the results mean, what they can and can’t tell us, and how they fit into his overall management.
Do you have questions about feeding your horse? Contact us at info@scoopandscale.com
Thanks for riding along with us!
Laminitis in Horses: What It Is, How It Affects the Hoof & Common Causes Part 1 | Ep. 84
Laminitis is one of the most serious and misunderstood conditions affecting horses. But what actually happens inside the hoof when a horse develops laminitis?
Our guest for this two-part series is Dr. François-René Bertin, DVM, MS, FHEA, PhD, DACVIM (LAIM), a Professor and Director of the Nancy Fair Link Laminitis Research Centre at Mississippi State University. In Part 1 of this two-part series, we take a closer look at what laminitis is, which structures of the hoof are involved, what happens when those structures become damaged, and why laminitis can be so devastating to the horse. We al...
Cushing’s in Horses: Understanding PPID and Why Fall Testing Matters | Ep. 83
If you have an older horse, you’ve probably heard of Cushing’s disease, but how much has changed in what we know about diagnosing and managing it? In this episode, we take a closer look at pituitary pars intermedia dysfunction (PPID), the condition commonly called Cushing’s in horses, and explore why fall is an especially important time to think about testing.
We discuss:
• The early signs of PPID that are easy to mistake for normal aging
• Why the seasonal rise in ACTH makes fall an important testing window
• How ACTH testing and TRH stim...
Ep. 82: Horse Amino Acids: Lysine, Methionine, Threonine & More
What are amino acids, why do they matter, and does your horse actually need an amino acid supplement? In this episode we break down the science behind amino acids, protein quality, muscle development, and the many claims surrounding equine amino acid supplements.
You’ll learn:
The difference between essential and non-essential amino acidsWhat a limiting amino acid is and why lysine, methionine, and threonine are importantWhy amino acids matter for muscle, hooves, hair, and moreHow to evaluate amino acid supplements and what meaningful doses actually look likeWhat BCAAs and leucine can really do for muscleHow much we...Ep. 81: Horse Salt Explained: How Much, What Kind & When to Use Electrolytes
How much salt does your horse really need? Are salt blocks enough? When should you feed electrolytes and do you actually need them if you're already feeding salt? In this episode we answer your biggest questions about horse salt, electrolytes, and hydration, separating fact from fiction with practical, research-backed advice.
In this episode we explore:
How much salt your horse actually needsSalt blocks vs. loose salt vs. electrolytes and which to use whenDifferent types of loose salt and which are bestWhether salt and electrolytes cause gastric ulcers?...and more!Whether your horse is competing, trail...
Ep. 80: Horse Emergency Preparedness: What Happens When Disaster Strikes
When a wildfire, flood, hurricane, or other disaster threatens your horses, every minute matters. In Part 2 of our disaster preparedness series, we walk through what a real horse evacuation looks like from receiving the first warning to loading horses, navigating chaotic roads, and arriving at an evacuation facility. Joining us is Amy Hausmann, who shares her firsthand experience during California's devastating Tubbs Fire and the lessons she learned from living through multiple subsequent wildfire evacuations.
In this episode, we discuss:
• The Ready, Set, Go evacuation system and why horse owners should leave at Level 1
• How...
Ep. 79: Horse Emergency Preparedness: Evacuation Planning Before Disaster Strikes
Every year, natural disasters force horse owners to make critical decisions with little warning. In Part 1 of this two-part series, we cover the essential steps you can take now to prepare your horses, property, and support network before an emergency happens.
In this episode, we discuss:
• Why every horse needs permanent identification and up-to-date records
• Building an emergency support network and connecting with local resources before disaster strikes
• Creating an evacuation plan, including destinations, routes, and transportation logistics
• Preparing emergency supplies, feed, medications, and essential paperwork for your horses
• Why practicing trailer lo...
Ep. 78: Traveling with Horses: Trailer Safety, Hydration & Biosecurity
Summer means horse shows, trail rides, vacations, and long days on the road with our horses. But are you prepared for the unique challenges that come with trailering horses in hot weather? In this episode we discuss how to keep your horse safe, comfortable, and healthy while traveling during the summer months.
In this episode, we cover:
• Trailer safety and pre-trip checks
• Preventing heat stress during travel
• Hydration, salt, and electrolytes
• Emergency gear every trailer needs
• Biosecurity and travel paperwork
Whether you're heading to a horse show, trail riding destination, clinic, or...
Ep. 77: What’s Really Behind the Cost of Horse Hay?
Hay season is here! While most horse owners focus on buying and feeding hay, few have firsthand experience with what it actually takes to grow, harvest, and store quality horse hay. In this episode, Jill shares her journey from boarding barns in Arizona to purchasing hay in Colorado and ultimately becoming a hay producer in Iowa. Along the way, we discuss the realities of hay farming, the challenges of producing quality forage, and answer listener questions about hay testing, nutrition, storage, and feeding.
In this episode, we discuss:
• Jill's journey from horse owner to hay fa...
Ep. 76: Equine Allergies, Hives & Itchy Skin: What Horse Owners Need to Know
Seasonal itching, hives, and respiratory issues: equine allergies can be frustrating, confusing, and difficult to manage. In this episode we’re joined by special guest Dr. Rosanna Marsella. Dr. Marsella is a board-certified veterinary dermatologist and professor at the University of Florida. She has authored more than 150 peer-reviewed articles, written several books and contributed to numerous others. She has also served as president of the American College of Veterinary Dermatology and co-editor of Veterinary Dermatology.
Together, we unpack the most common causes of allergies in horses, how they present clinically, and what horse owners need to know ab...
Ep. 75: Ration Balancers Explained: The Key to Filling Nutrient Gaps in Your Horse’s Diet
Ration balancers are one of the most commonly recommended feeds in the horse world but what are they really doing, and does your horse actually need one?
If your horse is living on pasture or hay looking good and maintaining weight, it’s easy to assume their diet is “complete". In reality, many diets fall short in key nutrients that support long-term health, topline, and performance. The effects of these deficiencies may not show up for a long time.
In this episode, we break down what ration balancers are, how they work, where they fit into...
Ep. 74: Foal Nutrition: Feeding for Healthy Growth from Birth to Adolescence
Foal nutrition and young horse development set the foundation for a lifetime of health, soundness, and performance.
From birth through weaning and into early training, feeding young horses correctly is critical, but often misunderstood. Nutrition during this stage directly impacts growth, joint health, metabolism, and long-term success.
In this episode, we break down foal nutrition, weanling feeding strategies, and young horse development, including how the broodmare supports early growth through lactation, when to introduce feed, and how to avoid common mistakes that can impact soundness.
In this episode, we discuss:
Foal nutrition...Ep. 73: Broodmare Nutrition: Why Your Foal’s Health Starts Before Birth
Mare nutrition plays a far bigger role in foal development than most horse owners realize and the science is now showing that what happens during pregnancy can influence a foal for life. In this episode, we break down and explore how broodmare diet shapes foal growth, metabolism, and long-term soundness.
From epigenetics and fetal programming to practical feeding strategies for pregnant mares, this conversation connects cutting-edge research with real-world feeding decisions for horse owners, breeders, and equine professionals.
In this episode, we discuss:
Why broodmare nutrition is critical before conception and during pregnancyHow epigenetics a...Ep. 72: Vitamin E for Horses: Identifying Deficiency and Effective Supplementation
Spring means more riding and possibly more oxidative stress for your horse. After a winter on hay, many horses may be low in vitamin E, a key antioxidant for overall health.
In this episode, we cover:
-What vitamin E is and why it matters
-Why hay and limited pasture diets can lead to deficiency
-Signs of low vitamin E and related issues
-How to test and supplement correctly
-Choosing the right form, dosing, and so much more
Whether you have a performance horse, a pasture companion, or a horse recovering...
Ep. 71: Equine Asthma: Commonly Missed Signs, Causes and Treatments
Equine asthma is one of the most common respiratory conditions affecting horses, yet many owners miss the early warning signs. In this episode we speak with Dr. Laurent Couëtil, DVM, PhD, DACVIM, about equine asthma in horses, including symptoms, causes, diagnosis, and treatment options.
Dr. Couëtil, director of the Donald J. McCrosky Equine Sports Medicine Center at Purdue University, shares his expertise on equine respiratory health and why lung function is critical for performance horses.
In this episode we discuss:
-Early signs of equine asthma and what horse owners should watch for
Ep. 70: Stronger Horse Hooves: How Nutrition Improves Hoof Health and Quality
Cracks, chips, weak hoof walls, and soft soles are common concerns for horse owners. But do hoof supplements actually work, and does nutrition really improve hoof quality?
In this episode, we break down the biology of hoof growth and explain why strong feet start with a balanced diet, not just another supplement. We cover how hooves grow, the key nutrients involved in building durable hoof horn, and how to determine whether your horse actually needs additional support.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
What the hoof wall and sole are made of and why ke...Ep. 69: Managing Overweight Horses Through Diet, Forage, and Exercise
In this episode we discuss a challenge many horse owners face: fat or overweight horses. From disciplines where a “round” horse is seen as ideal to the health risks of carrying extra weight, we cover why managing body condition matters.
Our guest, Madeline Boast, MSc, PAS, equine nutritionist and founder of Balanced Bay Nutrition, shares her research on safe weight loss programs for horses and explains how diet, exercise, and metabolic health work together to support long-term wellbeing.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
Why overweight horses are so common, especially easy keepersHow to check...Ep. 68: Alfalfa for Horses: Common Myths Explained
Alfalfa is one of the most debated feeds in equine nutrition, and few forages generate as many myths. In this episode, we take a science-based look at alfalfa for horses and break down where common beliefs come from and whether they are actually supported by research. We discuss protein, calcium, behavior, ulcers, and health concerns so horse owners can make informed feeding decisions based on the individual horse, not barn lore.
In this episode, we cover:
Does alfalfa make horses hot or more reactiveProtein, kidney health, and joint development mythsCalcium levelsWhy alfalfa is often...Ep. 67: Herbal Supplements for Horses: Do They Work?
Herbal supplements are everywhere in the equine world, from gastric support and joint formulas to respiratory and calming products. But how much do we really know about herbal supplements for horses, and how well do these products actually work? In this episode, we take a look at commonly used herbs and plant compounds, separating tradition and marketing from research and real-world application.
In this episode, we cover:
-Popular herbal ingredients in equine GI, joint, respiratory, and calming supplements
-What the research says (and doesn’t say) about herbs like slippery elm, turmeric, spirulina, and valerian
Ep. 66: Joint Supplements for Horses: What Actually Works (and What Doesn’t)
Do horse joint supplements actually work or are they just expensive hope in a bucket? In this episode, we take a science-based look at equine joint supplements and the ingredients most commonly used to support joint health.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
-Why joint supplements are so widely used across disciplines
-How cartilage, synovial fluid and healthy joints function in the horse and what happens when things go wrong
-The difference between preventative joint support and inflammation management
-What the research says about glucosamine, chondroitin, HA, MSM, ASU, resveratrol, green-lipped mussel, collagen, an...
Ep. 65: Stop Wasting Hay and Money: Research-Based Ways to Reduce Hay Waste
This week, I’m joined by Dr. Krishona Martinson from the University of Minnesota, a leading expert in equine forage research. We take a look at her research on hay waste, what causes it, and how horse owners can significantly reduce loss and lower feeding costs.
In this episode, we discuss:
What research shows about hay waste across feeding methodsHow much hay horse owners typically waste and whyThe real financial impact of wasted haySimple ways to keep more hay in your horse, not on the groundFeeding strategies proven to reduce wasteCommon mistakes that increase hay lossHow to...Ep. 64: Feeding Fat Supplements to Horses: Different Types and What to Know
Fat is one of the most misunderstood parts of a horse’s diet, yet it can be a powerful tool for weight gain, health, and performance. In this episode, we break down the most common fat sources for horses, how they differ, and when you should (or shouldn’t) use them. From rice bran and flax to oils, seeds, and supplements, we cut through the confusion so you can make informed feeding decisions.
You’ll learn:
Ep. 63: Our Favorite Things 2025 - Gifts for Horse Lovers
It’s officially Thanksgiving week which means Black Friday deals, holiday chaos, and the perfect time for our annual Favorite Things Episode!
Whether you’re powering through barn chores, traveling to see family, or braving the holiday madness, this episode is here to keep you company. Jill and Clair are sharing their 2025 favorite equine and barn-life essentials—from tack cleaning must-haves and barn organization tools to cozy clothing and practical gear that actually makes life with horses easier.
Looking for gift ideas for your barn friends? Want to treat yourself to something that sparks a little...
Ep. 62: Rooted in Science: Feeding Beet Pulp to Horses
Beet pulp, is it a super feed or a risky choice? Used in rations for decades, beet pulp has recently become controversial and a polarizing topic in the horse world. We break down what beet pulp really is, how it fits into a balanced diet, and what the science says.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
-What beet pulp actually is and why it’s low in sugar despite its name
-Why it’s called a “super fiber” and how it supports gut health
-Whether you should soak beet pulp
-How much beet pulp is saf...
Ep. 61: Winter Horse Blanketing: Should You Do It? What the Science Says
Blanket season is here and so are the annual blanketing opinion wars!
From “my horse never wears one” to “my pony has a full winter wardrobe,” every horse owner has an opinion. But what does the science actually say about blanketing horses?
In this episode of The Scoop & Scale Podcast, we are joined by Dr. Michelle DeBoer from Equine, PhD to uncover the facts behind horse blanketing, coat growth, and thermoregulation.
Dr. DeBoer’s research reveals surprising truths about how horses handle cold, when blanketing truly helps, and why no one-size-fits-all rule exists.
You’ll l...
Ep. 60: Chew on This: Equine Teeth, Dentistry & Nutrition (Part 2)
We are back with Kai Yun Lai, a certified equine dental professional, to further explore the powerful connection between your horse’s teeth, their diet, and digestion.
In this episode:
Why chewing and particle size matter for nutrient absorptionHow dental issues show up in manure & behaviorWhy poor dental health can cause weight lossHow your horse's dental health is linked to colic, and choke riskNutrition’s role in dental health, how the different things you feed and how you feed them impact your horse's teethWhether your horse is dropping weight, resisting the bit, just not thriv...
Ep. 59: Chew on This: Equine Teeth, Dentistry & Nutrition (Part 1)
In part 1 of our 2 part series on the impact of equine dental health on equine nutrition, we focus on what makes equine teeth unique and why having a qualified equine dental professional as part of your horse's care team is vital to their health and well-being. Our expert guest, Kai Yun Lai, a certified equine dental provider with a master's in equine nutrition, shares invaluable insights on:
The fascinating evolution of horse teeth over millions of years.How your horse's teeth change over their lifetime.The important roles that the different types of teeth play. Common dental problems an...Ep. 58: Poisonous Plants and Horses: How to Spot and Manage Risks
Trees can be beautiful in the Fall but those pretty leaves and seeds may be toxic to your horse. In this episode of Scoop and Scale, we sit down with Dr. Krishona Martinson, Professor and Equine Extension Specialist at the University of Minnesota, to talk about poisonous plants and how to keep horses safe.
You’ll learn:
Some common trees, shrubs and pasture plants that are poisonousWhy some plants are more dangerous than othersSymptoms to watch for if your horse ingests something toxic What to do if you suspect poisoningHow to manage your pastures reduce risksWhat to...Ep. 57: Not All Equine Nutritionists Are Created Equal: How to Find Qualified Advice
What does it really mean to be an equine nutritionist, and how can horse owners tell if the advice they’re getting is coming from an appropriately qualified expert? In this episode, Jill and Dr. Clair Thunes are joined by Dr. Rachel Mottet of Legacy Equine Nutrition to discuss the often confusing world of equine nutrition credentials.
In this episode we discuss:
-Why “Equine Nutritionist” is not a protected title and what that means for horse owners
-The difference between formal degrees (BS, MS, PhD) and non-credentialed programs
-Why some PhDs believe the term “...
Ep. 56: Horse Feed Tags Demystified: How to Read and Compare Feeds
Ever found yourself in the feed store (or deep in a late-night Google search) wondering if there’s a better horse feed out there for your equine partner? With so many options and so much marketing jargon, it’s easy to feel overwhelmed. In this episode, we take you through how to read and understand horse feed labels, so you can cut through the noise and make confident, informed choices for your horse’s nutrition.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
- Why a feed's name can be misleading
- How to find and understa...
Ep. 55: What to Feed When Hay Isn’t an Option: Hay Pellets & Cubes Explained
In this episode of Scoop & Scale, we explore the practical and nutritional role of hay pellets and cubes in the equine diet. Typically associated with senior horses with poor teeth or as a carrier for supplements, these hay alternatives have so many more uses and benefits. This is especially true during hay shortages, evacuations, or when managing specific health issues like equine asthma or free fecal water syndrome. In this episode we discuss:
- When pellets or cubes are necessary alternatives to hay
- The difference between hay pellets and hay cubes
- Why hay p...
Ep. 54: Understanding Pasture Grass Sugar Levels — The Long and the Short of It with the Equine, PhD
Is short grass really sweeter? Is tall grass actually safer for
metabolic horses? Or have we been grazing on myths? In this powerful,
research-backed episode, we sit down with Dr. Michelle DeBoer of
Equine, PhD, the voice behind the viral post that ignited over 1,500
likes, 400+ comments, and 1,200 shares—and shook up everything we
thought we knew about grass height, NSC (non-structural
carbohydrates), and sugar intake in horses.
We dive into:
-What current research really says about grass height and NSC levels
-How time of day, weather, and pasture management imp...
Ep. 53: The Forage Based Diet Trend: What You’re Probably Already Doing Right
Lately, we've noticed a growing number of horse owners online seeking advice on how to feed “forage-based” diets. But are they already doing this without realizing?
In this episode, we dig into:
- what constitutes a forage-based diet and how to know if you are feeding one
- why terms such as “forage-based”, “grain-free” and “carb-free” when it comes to equine diets can be misleading
- why using the wrong language can lead you to make unnecessary changes to your horse's diets, waste your time and potentially cause you unnecessary stress
- how using these te...
Ep. 52: Summer Heat and Your Horse Part 2: Nutrition and Management
In our last episode, we explored how horses manage their body temperature and what happens when they experience heat stress. Now, we're diving into how to adjust their diet during hot weather! In this episode we discuss:
hay adjustments to reduce metabolic heat, the impact of high-protein diets on hydration, whether or not your horse needs a biotic,and so much more!Plus, we'll cover crucial summer nutrients like chromium, the difference between salt and electrolytes, and how to manage electrolyte needs. We'll also share tips for safe feed storage and the importance of keeping those feed tu...
Ep. 51: Summer Heat and Your Horse Part 1: The Science Behind the Stress
Join us as we dive into how horses handle hot weather and the internal changes they undergo when stressed by the heat. We answer critical questions about horse physiology in high temperatures. We'll explore why horses get hot, how they regulate their body temperature, and what happens when they can't. Other important topics discussed include:
sources of heat stress, natural cooling strategies, signs of overheating and what to do, how heat stress negatively impacts your horse's gut,inflammatory and immune response to heat stress,just how much electrolyte your horse is losing when he sweats,how exercise compounds hea...Ep. 50: From Shedding to Shining: Nutrition & Care Tips for Healthy Horse Coats
In this episode, cover the secrets of equine coat health, from shedding season struggles to the crucial nutrients found in spring pastures. Discover why vitamin E levels matter, even when they seem "normal," and how to choose the right fats and oils, including the benefits of omega-3s over corn and soy oil. We'll also explore the importance of trace minerals like copper, zinc, and manganese, and how to ensure your horse is getting the most bioavailable forms. Plus, get practical tips on effective washing techniques, debunking biotin myths, and addressing issues like sunburn, hives, and tail rubbing. Whether...
Ep. 49: Beyond Diarrhea: Identifying and Managing Free Fecal Water Syndrome (FFWS) in Horses
Free fecal water syndrome (FFWS) is a frustrating and often confusing problem for horse owners. A horse may pass normally formed manure while brown liquid is released before, during, or after manure passage, leaving the horse's hind legs and tail wet and soiled. But is free fecal water syndrome the same thing as diarrhea? What causes it? When should you call your veterinarian? And what can you actually do to manage it?
In this episode, we explore the frustrating condition known as Free Fecal Water Syndrome (FFWS) in horses. If you’ve ever dealt with your horse pa...
Ep. 48: Decoding Muscle Myopathies Part 2: Managing RER, MFM, MFM-ER, MFM-WB, PSSM2-ER;
Welcome to part 2. We're revisiting the complex world of muscle myopathies, specifically focusing on Myofibrillar Myopathy (MFM) in both Arabian and Warmblood horses. If you missed our previous episodes on PSSM Type 1 and the initial breakdown of other muscle myopathies, we highly recommend you go back and catch up. In this episode Dr. Katie Young returns to help us navigate the nuances of MFM-ER in Arabians, characterized by elevated muscle enzymes and desmin aggregates, and MFM-WB in Warmbloods, which presents with performance issues without elevated enzymes. Specifically, we discuss:
Diagnostic differences between conditions,The progressive nature of MFM...