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By: Max and Kelley Grimm

Join Max and Kelley Grimm as we explore ways to incorporate creativity into your everyday life.  Once we give ourselves permission to feel inspired by allowing our imaginations to flourish, we can reignite that childlike joy to create without being self-conscious. 

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A River Between Chaos and Zen - Ep. 17 - Anonymous Poetry
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05/03/2026

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Max discusses how he enjoys poems, a chapter from the book 500 Greatest Poems, and some poems don't have the names of the poets or the year they were written, and some go back to the year 1250 and earlier. 

Edward, Edward is one from the 1600s about a man going to sea, and what he'll leave for his family and his beloved mother. 

The Three Ravens is about birds set in a tree, and they think about a meal while they look at a knight. 

The Cherry Tree Car...


A River Between Chaos and Zen - Ep. 18 - A Child's Garden of Verses
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04/26/2026

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Max talks about The Gutenberg Project and Robert Lewis Stevenson's A Child's Garden of Verses, and the night that the lights went out in his neighborhood, and being tucked into bed with a white candle.  It includes the poems:

Summer in BedAt the SeasideYoung Night ThoughtRainPirate StoryForeign LandsWindy Nights

This is a great episode to share with a little one. 

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A River Between Chaos and Zen - Ep. 16 - Oscar Wilde & The Ballad of Reading Gaol
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04/19/2026

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In this episode, Max reads The Ballad of Reading Gaol, which Oscar Wilde wrote while he was in jail for two years for the crime of homosexuality, and it was inspired by Charles Thomas Wooldridge, a trooper in the Royal Horse Guards, who was imprisoned and executed for murdering his wife. 

The poem highlights the brutality of the penal system, the mental suffering of inmates, and the hypocrisy of morality, featuring the famous line, "Yet each man kills the thing he loves".  Reading Gaol was a place of extreme emotional and phy...


A River Between Chaos and Zen - Ep. 15 - The Origins of Acting
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04/12/2026

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Max discusses a poem he read many years ago, called the Saga of Li-Peng and Xua-Xua, which tells the story of the discovery of acting and theater. Li-Peng and Xua-Xua wait for a child without understanding the changes to her body and how it created distance. The child's name was Ling Ling-Lee, and the trio learns how to manage their humanity and the art of becoming human.


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A River Between Chaos and Zen - Ep. 14 - The Pencil Trick
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04/05/2026

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Max talks about his first blush with a voice class and how liberating it was.  He also talks about his love of Shakespeare and the old radio announcer exercise. He suggests learning some Shakespearean sonnets because they're short and easier to recite, and doing them with the pencil across your mouth, and then taking the pencil out and redoing the sonnet, and it's so much easier to do, and your diction gets better.  It's like taking weights off your legs when you want to run. 

He reads Sonnet 18 - Shall I Com...


A River Between Chaos and Zen - Poetry Ep. 13 - I Got the Blues
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03/29/2026

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Max talks about a friend with mental health issues and depression, who would call and spend over 45 minutes talking about his issues, and then he wanted to tell jokes, which was his way of trying to heal himself. He also had a hard time dealing with his daughter's depression and made a joke about it, which caused a falling out. Max discussed his own depression with his friend and his parody poem. 

Max reads his poem, I Got Blues, which was inspired by Mississippi Blues and artists like Robert Johnson and M...


A River Between Chaos and Zen - Poetry Episode 12 - Emily Dickinson
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03/22/2026

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In this episode, Max explores Mental Health and Emily Dickinson, her gregarious youth, and she went into seminary, which made her reclusive and did not leave her family's property.  Upon her death, she asked her sister to destroy her letters, but her poetry survived.  

During her lifetime, only a few of her poems were printed, mostly anonymously, and her writings were published after her death. They have spoken to millions over the decades. 

Max reads:

Because I Could Not Stop for DeathI Heard a Fly Buzz when I Die...


A River Between Chaos & Zen - Ep 11 - Lord Byron's Poetry
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03/15/2026

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In this episode, Max researches NeuroticPoets.com , and Lord Byron shows right up and talks about his own mental health struggles and how poetry has helped him cope.  Apparently, Lord Byron was born with a club foot, and a girl that he was interested in called him, "That lame boy," which was very hurtful. His poetry lays his soul bare. 

His life was layered and brief - he died at 36 years old but left behind a treasure trove of poetry. Max reads:

She Walks in Beauty,So We'll Go No Mo...


A River Between Chaos & Zen - Ep 10 - Some Special Children's Stories
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03/08/2026

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Join Max as he looks at the magical imagination of his daughter, Amber Grimm, and her stories, The Moon Follows Boo, in which a little cat named Boo loses his way at night but gets help from the Moon, who guides Boo back home, and we find out that the moon sometimes feels lonely, lighting the night for the world to see. 

The next story is about Polly the Polite Possum and how she tries to have a nice tea party for her friends in the forest. But it's interrupted by a...


A River Between Chaos & Zen - Ep 8 -The Poetry of a Grandfather
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02/22/2026

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In this episode, Max discusses his blog, also titled A River Between Zen and Chaos, and shares his perspective on poetry.  He talks about his British grandfather, Sidney (Sid) Robinson, who was also a writer. Max reads The Passionate Man's Pilgrimage by Sir Walter Raleigh, which seems like a poem his grandfather would have liked. His grandfather, who never had a formal education, also loved the poetry of William Wordsworth. Max tells about learning about his grandfather's passion for writing at his memorial service and their last moments together. 

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A River Between Chaos & Zen - Poetry - Ep, 7 - Richard III & Hamlet
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02/15/2026

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In this episode, Max explores how growing up with a stutter until he was 15 years old.  He got speech therapy and how working in theater helped him develop his voice, especially doing Shakespeare especially Richard III and Hamlet.  

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A River Between Chaos & Zen-Where Does Poetry Come From? Pt. 2 - Episode 6
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02/08/2026

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Max discusses a past job with the printing company and an incident that led to him writing the poem Dear Legal Department after a co-worker has a head injury at work and is told to call management instead of 911.  Let us know if you have ever experienced corporate insanity where procedure takes precedence over safety and common sense. 

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A River Between Chaos and Zen - Where do Poems Come From? Episode 5
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02/01/2026

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Max talks about growing up and life in Miami before he moved to Atlanta. At a young age, Harry Cruz's Southern Gothic style influenced Max's early writing. He talks about going to a convenience store and talking to a young man, whom he found out later committed murder. He also talks about working for a man who had stockpiled guns with supplies for when the "state of anarchy" breaks out, he'll be ready. He left the job after about six weeks.  The poem All I'm Saying was written a few years after leaving t...


A River Between Chaos and Zen - Edgar Allen Poe - Episode 4
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01/25/2026

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Max talks about his first crush, Kaddy, in junior high, and his connection to Edgar Allen Poe, as well as how Poe's work comforted him through some tough times in his youth, including the loss of his grandmother. He explores Poe's lesser-known works including:

DreamsSpirits of the DeadA DreamA Sonnet To Science(Alone)The Bells

He thanks Mrs. Davis from John F. Kennedy Junior High for introducing him to the works of one of the greatest poets in American history, which developed his passion for reading and writing poetry. 

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A River Between Chaos and Zen - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock - Episode 3
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01/18/2026

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In this episode, Max talks about his first play in college, Private Wars by James McClure and watching an episode of Stephen Colbert with Anthony Hopkins and they were reading portions of the touching poem by T.S. Eliot entitled The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock which he wrote in 1915 when Eliot was 22 years old. He reads the entire poem in this episode. 

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A River Between Chaos & Zen-Ep. 2 -The Proust Questionnaire
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01/11/2026

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In this episode, Max examines The Proust Questionnaire, a list of questions answered by the French writer Marcel Proust, which is often used by modern interviewers. Max mentions that he and Kelley used this with actors as part of the actors' training to put together a strong intentional character. It relates to the game called Hot Seat, in which an actor gets on stage and must answer questions in character.  Max takes the questionnaire and has some surprising answers. 

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Yes, Virginia, There's a Magi & Night before Christmas
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12/22/2025

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Join us as we look at three very different holiday tales, including the editorial. Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus, the O. Henry short story, The Gift of the Magi, and the Christmas poem, Twas the Night Before Christmas. Kelley discusses the importance of each of these works and how the rendition of Twas the Night Before Christmas was recorded in 2000 as part of a pre-school project that her daughter was asked to do with family members. It's also the night before Kelley and Max's daughter Danielle was born, and highlights the...


When a Bell Rings - Holiday Rebroadcast
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12/20/2025

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Join us as ghosthunter Jack Bronson gets some divine intervention on Christmas Eve from Em, an angel who needs to help Jack so she can get back into the good graces of her "boss" with the help of Keith, the ghost. 

We have a wonderful cast of voice actors, including: 
Mezi Mulugeta as Em 
Dean Atkinson as Jack Bronson
Brandon Winget as Keith the Ghost 
Shiyla Gantt as Jack's Mom, Angela
Justin Deen as Jack's Father, Ted Bronson
Chiron Broderick as Dave
Liz Ireland as J...


A River Between Chaos and Zen - Poetry Episode 1
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10/09/2025

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Join Max as he discusses his poetry, heart spillings, and mind lightning. He explores two of his poems, A Passing of Vision and The Snake. He also looks at The Desiderata, which is an inspirational poem. 

Max will explore different poets each week, give his commentary, and open it to other poets who would like their poems read on the podcast. 


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Ellie in the Closet - audio book
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06/27/2025

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Join Max as he reads Ellie in the Closet, which is the heartwarming story of Ellie, a shy rainbow lizard who longs to be accepted just like any other kid. When her bright scales make her a target for teasing, Ellie hides away in her closet, believing no one could ever see her as beautiful. But everything changes when a kind new friend named Storm offers her comfort, sandwiches, and the courage to step into the light. A gentle tale about friendship, self-acceptance, and the bravery it takes to...


Shapeshifter & Atlanta Fringe
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05/21/2025

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Join Max, Kelley and their daughter Danielle as they discuss the production of Max's one man spoken word album, Shapeshifter. It was a labor of love that almost didn't happen when Max got sick in February, and it was due at the end of March. Luckily, Danielle help guide the project and found a recording studio at the local library and sound edited the entire piece. Kelley also got to play an ex-girlfriend with a strange way of showing affection. 

To listen to the album, go to Atlanta Fringe Audio. H...


Sophia's Carol
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12/25/2024

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Medium Sophia Gardeen must examine her life choices with the help of Charles Dickens, Bob the Atheist ghost, and the spirits of two hip grandmothers on an especially haunted Christmas Eve. 

Includes the voice talents of:
Kelley Cody-Grimm as Sophia Gardeen and Little Sophia
Benja Petty at Bob the Atheist Ghost
Max Grimm as Charlies Dickens, Cal Gardeen and a Demon
Kim Hart as Laura Gardeen, Nana and Nicki's Mother
Damita Parks as Etta and Announcer 
Eion McCrary as Jess 
Irene Naranjo as MeMa and...


When a Bell Rings
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12/11/2024

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Join us as ghosthunter Jack Bronson gets some divine intervention on Christmas Eve from Em, an angel who needs to help Jack so she can get back into the good graces of her "boss" with the help of Keith, the ghost. 

We have a wonderful cast of voice actors, including: 
Mezi Mulugeta as Em 
Dean Atkinson as Jack Bronson
Brandon Winget as Keith the Ghost 
Shiyla Gantt as Jack's Mom, Angela
Justin Deen as Jack's Father, Ted Bronson
Chiron Broderick as Dave
Liz Ireland as J...


Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus!
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12/09/2024

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A special rendition of the classic holiday story and editorial written by New York Sun's Francis P. Church for an editorial on September 21, 1897.  The voice talent includes Carlos Tovar, Blerta Xhelili, Estella Love-Rice, and Kelley Cody-Grimm. This is a collaboration between OTC Productions and Creative Actors Lab.

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The Demonis - The Deadliest Family in America - Part 2
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10/23/2024

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Nero and Malaria hatch a plan to deal with Larry Linberg and his photo development store after a shocking discovery. Manson and Esther befriend Saffronia and her brother Nelson after the Mayor's son and daughter bully them.  The Demonis also face heightened scrutiny from their nosey neighbor. 

Warning: Adult Themes and Content

Directed, Written, and Edited by Danielle Grimm

Produced by Danielle Grimm and Kelley Cody-Grimm

With the voice talents of:

Darrell Snedeger as Nero Demoni

Katelin Chesna as Malaria Demoni

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The Demonis - The Deadliest Family in America - Part 1
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10/16/2024

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After going on the run after a botched murder, the Demoni family settles into the simple small town of Simpleton, a perfect vision of 1960s suburban utopia–or so it seems! As they learn more about the unsavory characters in town, they know that they have their work cut out for them, which includes cutting down those who exploit the innocent.  

Warning: Adult Themes and Content

Directed, Written, and Edited by Danielle Grimm

Produced by Danielle Grimm and Kelley Cody-Grimm

With the voice talents of:

<...


Ep. 51 - A Clean Slate
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08/05/2024

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In this episode, Kelley discusses what you need to do in a slate and do it correctly for an audition. A slate is a basic introduction before you submit your sides or monologue to a casting director or agent. It helps them see who you are before you delve into your character. Mostly, they want to see that you are easy to work with.  Here is some of the essential information you need to include, but check with the specifications in the email or casting instructions to make sure you're including the correct i...


Ep. 50 - Life's a Pitch and Then You Try
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07/15/2024

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In this episode, Kelley discusses the fine art of pitch decks for authors, screenwriters, and filmmakers. She looks at the basic structure of about 12 to 15 slides that can be in Google Slides or PowerPoint which includes:

Cover ArtLoglineComps - other works that you can compare it to. Character Descriptions - only for your to 6 to 7 charactersSynopsis of the plot - one page or slide.The inspiration for the projectThe Tone - what visuals to use. The marketing potential - Who is your audience? About the author/screenwriter/or production crew (director or wri...


Ep. 49 - The Notebook
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07/08/2024

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In this episode, Max talks about how he left art school to pursue acting and how much he learned in the process. At one point, he was in the best and worst productions he'd ever been in.  He's looking back at his history to plan for the future which is a great exercise for anyone, no matter your age.  

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Ep. 48 -The Write Stuff - Part 2 -Writing with AI
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06/24/2024

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This week, Kelley talks about using AI to help you cut down on your writing time, whether it's helping you write a synopsis based on your Save the Cat Beat sheet, crafting a logline, or doing research for your pitch deck. What AI doesn't do well is writing comedy, and we discuss that, too. 

Here are some of the AI resources that Kelley talks about:

Claude AI is good for doing literary research and asking about characters or authors or creating loglines, but not comedy.ChatGPT is good for creating S...


Ep. 47 - The Write Stuff
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04/15/2024

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This week, Max and Kelley talk about their creative journey through writing, with Max's being mostly in poetry and writing a blog for a year and Kelley's journey with writing scripts, short stories, and novels.  Max also talks about a time in the early 90s when a short film that he wrote and produced called The Red and the Black was banned in New Zealand.  Kelley talks about learning from Table Reads for her work and those of others like Brandon Winget. She also talks about how reading pilot scripts and first drafts of...


Ep. 46 - Reflections on "Quiet on the Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV"
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04/08/2024

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This week, Kelley and Max discuss the documentary series Quiet on the Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV  from the perspective of acting coaches and people who have also faced sexual assault. They discuss how important it is to listen to your gut instinct and how their experiences have helped them help others.  Please note that this episode discusses sexual assault. 

It's not an easy topic, but it needs to be discussed because toxic and manipulative people exist beyond TV and movie sets. Max and Kelley talk about how they ide...


Ep. 45 - The Creative Brain
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04/01/2024

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Max and Kelley discuss the importance of creativity and how it affects your brain when you do or try something new. They also discuss some of the scientific findings and a podcast by Dr. David Eagleman called The Inner Cosmos.  Max also talks about different problem-solving approaches, such as the SWOT analysis, Business War Games, and Brain Storming and Brain Writing. We also discuss how important it is to seek out new adventures and skills and how your brain lights up like fireworks on the Fourth of July when it is challenged by s...


Ep. 44 - Taking a 20 Year Pause
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03/18/2024

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Join Max and Kelley as they discuss why someone like Max might need to step away from acting for a few decades. In the interim, he found a new love of writing poetry, cooking as a chef, and expanding his painting ability.  Kelley talks about leaving an improv company after some bad experiences and finding the love of her life (spoiler alert - it's Max). 

Thanks and have a great week. 

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Ep. 43 - Private Detective Work for Characters
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03/12/2024

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This week, Kelley and Max explore how to act like a private detective when you're creating or playing a character. They explore the process of researching a character's motivation by pretending that you were hired to follow the character around. They delve into various aspects, such as how the character would cross the street, how they would perform household chores, or how they would get ready for work.

Kelley and Max also discuss a play they did for Florida International University (FIU) called Mad Forest by Caryl Churchill. The play revolves...


Ep. 42 - Meditations for Creatives
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03/04/2024

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This week, Max and Kelley discuss the importance of meditating and reflecting on your art and what creativity you can accomplish. We discuss different meditation techniques, including Yoga Nidra it is considered sleep yoga, non-sleep deep rest,, and it's meant to reset your nervous system.

If you want to check out some of the practitioners, here are a few that Max suggests:
Ayla Nova - Yoga Nidra - here is a link to a YouTube intro video.
Ally Boothroyd - here is a link to a 10-minute YouTube video.<...


Ep. 41 - Godmother of Improv - Viola Spolin
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02/26/2024

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This week, Kelley and Max look at the person who has influenced Kelley's acting journey the most: Viola Spolin.  Viola Spolin was an actress, educator, director, author, and the creator of theater games, a system of actor training that uses games she devised to teach the formal rules of the Theater organically. Her groundbreaking book Improvisation for the Theater transformed American theater and revolutionized how acting is taught. Here is a link to the website. Her son, Paul Sills, founded the legendary Second City improv group.

Kelley uses many of her m...


Ep. 40 - Character Descriptions for the Actor & Writer
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02/19/2024

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Join Max and Kelley as we look at iconic character descriptions in screenplays from Rick Blaine in Casablanca to Annie Wilkes in Misery to Apollo Creed in Rocky and Rose Maxson in Fences, and many other characters in between. We discuss the impact these characters had in their films and why writing good descriptions is vital for both the actor and the writer.  You get to hear the actual description as it was in the script and how an actor would interpret that character. 

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Ep. 39 - What to Know about Set Etiquette
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02/12/2024

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Max and Kelley discuss the importance of Set Etiquette whether you're on stage or on a TV or Movie set. They use personal examples of the do's and dont's such as:

Do be kind and show good manners. Don't ask for a selfie with a lead. Do be on time. Don't try to manifest by telling a lead you will be their co-star one day. (Yes, we saw that happen)

We also talk about how being professional and nice to the Assistant Directors and Production Assistants might land you in a sce...


Ep. 38 - A Special Interview with Hersh of The HERshyt Show Podcast
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02/05/2024

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This week, Max and Kelley interview fellow podcaster and the person who gave us great advice on starting our own show, Hersh from HERshyt Show. She's a retired combat veteran and also a FEMA hero who helps people and families get the help they need during a disaster.  One huge suggestion, keep an inventory of what you have in your home and put special documents in safe place, either a fire proof box or safe deposit box or have big receipts scanned and kept in the cloud. She gives great advice on handling t...