What Came Next

*Content warning: harassment, cyberstalking, workplace abuse, sexual abuse material, sexual sadism, murder, and serial murder.

Javier Leiva is a podcast host and Emmy award-winning producer. His show, Pretend Podcast, began airing in 2017 and highlights cases of fraud executed by perpetrators from cult leaders to con artists to undercover FBI agents. However, it was in June 2024 that Pretend's eighteenth season became much more personal for him. At first, accusations against Arkansas based LaDonna Humphrey barely grabbed his attention. But the more accusations he received, the more Javier realized he had to work to uncover the truth about LaDonna, a...

Content warning: intimate partner violence, domestic violence, officer-involved domestic violence, and murder.

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What Came Next featuring Hannah Vanderhorst: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hannah-vanderhorst-something-so-sinister-part-1/id1674051643?i=1000703125368

What Came Next featuring Bruce Bieber: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bruce-bieber-i-was-the-uninitiated-part-1/id1674051643?i=1000712717519

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Content warning: animal cruelty, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, cold cases, gun violence, and murder.

Haley Gray is a credentialed victim advocate and podcast researcher, writer, and producer whose extensive career in podcasting has seen many phases. Over the last nine years, she has lent her skills to numerous well-known true crime podcasts with an ever-growing intent to make the true crime podcasting space a more ethical and equitable one. In this very candid conversation, Haley shared about her own journey, her growing awareness, as well as innumerable tips and takeaways for victims and those seeking to make...

Content warning: gun violence, intimate partner violence, domestic violence, officer-involved domestic violence, and murder.

As shared in part one of his story, Bruce Bieber is a retiree from New York who had an illustrious career in commercial construction. However, after retiring and moving to Florida to live minutes away from his three adult children, Bruce and his family would experience a horrific heartache: the murder of Bruce’s beloved daughter, Abby, on January 29th, 2022. Since Abby’s life was stolen, Bruce has made it his mission to bring awareness to OIDV, or officer-involved domestic violence. The Broken Cycle Medi...

Content warning: gun violence, intimate partner violence, domestic violence, officer-involved domestic violence, and murder.

Bruce Bieber is a retiree from New York who had an illustrious career in commercial construction. However, after retiring and moving to Florida to live minutes away from his three adult children, Bruce and his family would experience a horrific heartache: the murder of Bruce’s beloved daughter, Abby, on January 29th, 2022. Since Abby’s life was stolen, Bruce has made it his mission to bring awareness to OIDV, or officer-involved domestic violence. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful Bruce was willing to s...

Content warning:  arson, assault, fetal abduction, kidnapping, attempted murder, murder, substance use, and substance use disorder.

As shared in part one, Angelique Robledo is an incredible mother and survivor living in Arizona. She was born in Southern California, but after a pivotal move nearly four hundred miles east in her middle school years, she found herself having trouble fitting in. Several years later, and not long after finding out she was pregnant, Angelique was introduced (by a mutual friend) to a Maricopa newcomer who she seemed to have a lot in common with. Over the next several months s...

Content warning:  arson, assault, fetal abduction, kidnapping, attempted murder, murder, substance use, and substance use disorder.

Angelique Robledo is an incredible mother and survivor living in Arizona. She was born in Southern California, but after a pivotal move nearly four hundred miles east in her middle school years, she found herself having trouble fitting in. Several years later, and not long after finding out she was pregnant, Angelique was introduced (by a mutual friend) to a Maricopa newcomer who she seemed to have a lot in common with. Over the next several months she would get to know t...

Content warning: robbery, armed robbery, gun violence, domestic violence, extortion, and corruption.

Maya is a teacher, artist, and multi-crime survivor from Los Angeles. After finishing her undergraduate degree in Spanish in 1996 (at the age of 22), Maya found herself seeking direction. But it was only a couple months after her graduation that she experienced a life-changing armed robbery. Not long after that, she would travel to Argentina and forge a new life for herself far from the San Fernando Valley. However, she would be faced with even more tumult and trauma when financial, political, and socioeconomic crises in her...

Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, suicide, sexual assault, rape, statutory rape, and sexual abuse.

As shared in Episode 52 'What Happens Next // Part Two' (which originally aired on January 12th, 2024), Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach, and the current powerhouse executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an impact, but it wasn't until surviving alleged sexual abuse at the hands of his former coach that he found his true calling: being an inspiration and motivator for survivors around the world. He hopes to utilize all...

Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, substance use disorder, sexual assault, rape, statutory rape, and sexual abuse.

As shared in Episode 51 'Against Big Odds // Part 1' (which originally aired on January 5th, 2024), Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach and the current executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an impact, but it wasn't until surviving alleged sexual abuse at the hands of his former coach that he found his true calling: being an inspiration and motivator for survivors around the world. He hopes to utilize...

Content warning: sexual abuse and child sexual abuse.

It has been a great honor to host Mike Sacks and Kelly Gee on What Came Next prior to this conversation. Kelly first shared his experiences of abuse in episodes 51 and 52, entitled “Against Big Odds” and “What Happens Next,” which aired in January of 2024. Episodes 109 and 110, entitled “Silence is an Incubator” and “Up to Us to Protect,” were released over a year later and highlight Mike’s abuse experiences with the same hockey coach nearly a decade prior to Kelly's abuse. The two men, united by sharing their experiences in the media and a si...

Content warning: child sexual abuse material, child sexual assault, sexual assault, nonconsensual pornography, sexual violence, sexual paraphilia, and pedophilia.

Kim is a mother and nurse from Indiana. She reached out to the Broken Cycle Media team in hopes of sharing her story for the first time to bring awareness to a trajectory she never thought she would have had to traverse. Nearly a decade into her marriage, her whole life changed with a home raid by the FBI and several other criminal justice forces. The organizations would consequently find a large catalogue of child sexual abuse material in...

Content warning: child sexual abuse material, child sexual assault, sexual assault, nonconsensual pornography, sexual violence, sexual paraphilia, and pedophilia. 

Kim is a mother and nurse from Indiana. She reached out to the Broken Cycle Media team in hopes of sharing her story for the first time to bring awareness to a trajectory she never thought she would have had to traverse. Nearly a decade into her marriage, her whole life changed with a home raid by the FBI and several other criminal justice forces. The organizations would consequently find a large catalogue of child sexual abuse material in h...

Content warning: assault, sexual assault, rape, serial rape, and nonconsensual pornography.

As shared in part one of her story, Hannah Vanderhorst is a special education teacher and administrator living in Denver, Colorado. Having moved to the city in 2016, just before going through a breakup, Hannah turned to dating apps to expand her social circle and look for potential love. However, an October 2019 date changed her trajectory forever. It was on this date that she became a victim of a serial sexual predator, although she wouldn’t find that out until over three years after her assault. Hannah would th...

Content warning: assault, sexual assault, rape, serial rape, and nonconsensual pornography. 

Hannah Vanderhorst is a special education teacher and administrator living in Denver, Colorado. Having moved to the city in 2016, just before going through a breakup, Hannah turned to dating apps to expand her social circle and look for potential love. However, an October 2019 date changed her trajectory forever. It was on this date that she became a victim of a serial sexual predator, although she wouldn’t find that out until over three years after her assault. Hannah would then join a taxing legal battle to receive jus...

Content warning: abduction, kidnapping, violence, gun violence, robbery, assault, and murder.

Crime House True Crime Stories is the ultimate destination for true crime fans. Every episode features two notorious cases from that week in crime history, tied by a common theme like infamous serial killers, mysterious disappearances, tragic murders, and more. Every Monday, uncover the full stories behind the headlines as host Vanessa Richardson takes you through high-profile investigations like the murder of Gabby Petito, the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart, and the mass suicide of the Heaven's Gate cult. Follow Crime House True Crime Stories — a Crime House Or...

Content warning: pedophilia, sexual sadism, paraphilia, psychopathy, brutality, child sexual abuse material, rape, sexual assault, torture, and murder.

Joan Hoyt is a business professional and family woman from Santa Cruz, California. Although she has proudly served her county as a juror before, a 2024 jury duty assignment opened her eyes to the harsh realities of a criminal justice process she would have never thought was real prior. Her assignment included listening to the heartbreaking facts of Madyson Middleton’s gruesome 2015 murder, then deeming whether Madyson’s murderer should be released from juvenile incarceration in February of 2025, only ten years late...

Content warning: fraud and professional abuse.

As shared in part one of her story, Victoria Latham is an established professional living in South Carolina. At the encouragement of her friend Lauren (who will also be sharing her perspective on the following episodes), Victoria has joined us to share about her experiences working for a burgeoning technology company that collapsed after its founder was charged with and sentenced for twenty counts of wire fraud amounting to over nine million dollars. It was Victoria’s diligent evidence collection and courage to report that deeply contributed to prosecutors’ success. However, this is t...

Content warning: fraud and professional abuse.

As shared in part one of her story, Victoria Latham is an established professional living in South Carolina. At the encouragement of her friend Lauren (who will also be sharing her perspective on the following episodes), Victoria has joined us to share about her experiences working for a burgeoning technology company that collapsed after its founder was charged with and sentenced for twenty counts of wire fraud amounting to over nine million dollars. It was Victoria’s diligent evidence collection and courage to report that deeply contributed to prosecutors’ success. However, this is t...

Content warning: fraud, professional abuse, child sexual abuse material, and gun violence. 

Victoria Latham is an established professional living in South Carolina. At the encouragement of her friend Lauren (who will also be sharing her perspective on the following episodes), Victoria has joined us to share about her experiences working for a burgeoning technology company that collapsed after its founder was charged with and sentenced for twenty counts of wire fraud amounting to over nine million dollars. It was Victoria’s diligent evidence collection and courage to report that deeply contributed to prosecutors’ success. However, this is the first...

Content warning: substance abuse disorder, lethal substance consumption, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, childhood sexual abuse, sexual abuse, rape, statutory rape, pedophilia, murder, and mediumship.

As shared in part one of her story, Kiersten Hathcock is a multi-crime survivor, self-taught carpenter, entrepreneur, author, volunteer intuitive medium, and co-founder of the non-profit organization, The National Institute of Law and Justice. Although she was born and raised in Ohio, her journey has taken her to many places and through many professional phases. It wasn’t until turning 36 that her trajectory became much more spiritually-based, and she realized she had become re...

Content warning: domestic violence, intimate partner violence, childhood sexual abuse, sexual abuse, rape, statutory rape, pedophilia, murder, and mediumship.

Kiersten Hathcock is a multi-crime survivor, self-taught carpenter, entrepreneur, author, volunteer intuitive medium, and co-founder of the non-profit organization, The National Institute of Law and Justice. Although she was born and raised in Ohio, her journey has taken her to many places and through many professional phases. It wasn’t until turning 36 that her trajectory became much more spiritually-based, and she realized she had become re-attuned to an ability she had first experienced as a child. In the process, sh...

Content warning: domestic violence, intimate partner violence, narcissistic abuse, cultic abuse, cults, and sexual abuse.

Liz Iacuzzi is an athlete, writer, performer, and personality who focuses  on exploring uncomfortable subject matter through comedy. However, it wasn’t until extricating herself from an acting class-turned-cult that she would eventually discover her next passion: educating the masses about cultic abuse. She does so on her podcast, Was I in a Cult? on which she helps other cult survivors share their stories for awareness. We are so grateful Liz was willing to share her journey with us today, especially because it is...

Content warning: substance abuse, suicidal ideation, domestic violence, child abuse, childhood sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, sexual assault, and sexual abuse.

Mike Sacks is a hockey player, telecommunications engineer, founder of the non-profit organization, Survivors for Change, and a true change-maker. Through Survivors for Change, it has become his personal mission to aide survivors of sexual abuse and assault in their journey of healing, alongside Kelly Gee, whose story has also been featured in What Came Next episodes 51 & 52. But before Mike was able to begin helping others, he had to come to terms with his own abuse and...

Content warning: substance abuse, suicidal ideation, domestic violence, child abuse, childhood sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, sexual assault, and sexual abuse.

Mike Sacks is a hockey player, telecommunications engineer, founder of the non-profit organization, Survivors for Change, and a true change-maker. Through Survivors for Change, it has become his personal mission to aide survivors of sexual abuse and assault in their journey of healing, alongside Kelly Gee, whose story has also been featured in What Came Next episodes 51 & 52. But before Mike was able to begin helping others, he had to come to terms with his own abuse and...

Content warning: intimate partner violence, domestic violence, and murder.

Stacy Kaiser is a licensed psychotherapist, relationship expert, author, and speaker. She was drawn to Psychology in youth and finds deep value in helping others navigate some of the hardest portions of their lives. In this thoughtful conversation, Stacy shares about the field of psychology, offers tips on finding the right therapist, and divulges how she’s utilized her expertise both in-front of the camera and behind-the-scenes of some of true crime’s most well-known docuseries. The Broken Cycle Media team extends our intense gratitude to Stacy for her work...

*Content warning: car accidents, medical trauma, stalking, medical fraud, doula fraud, birth worker abuse, domestic violence homicide, murder, legal abuse. 


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What Came Next Episodes referenced in this episode:

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Content warning: sexual assault, physical violence, brutality, and murder.

Karie Kroll is a nurse of over 30 years, a family woman, and a co-victim of murder from Iowa. She found her passion for nursing at a young age and pursued a degree in the medical field out of college. However, it was not long into her professional trajectory that her family experienced a devastating loss: the horrific 1996 murder of her sister, Amanda. In this episode, Karie describes all that came next for her family while navigating the criminal justice system throughout the last 30 years, and the drastic changes they...

Content warning: gun violence, armed robbery, grand theft, and home invasion.

Milena Monrroy is a Los Angeles-based producer and the co-host of the podcast Latina Life with Jen and Milena. Her life has been largely influenced by her roles as a single mother and a storyteller, but her trajectory took a drastic turn when she became a victim of a home invasion and armed robbery in January of 2022. The months following would be filled with not only immense stress, upheaval, and fear, but also a taxing legal battle to receive justice. The Broken Cycle Media team is so...

Content warning: suicidal ideation, intimate partner violence, criminal threats, domestic violence, physical, mental, emotional, and psychological abuse, and gun violence.

As shared in part one of her story, Elle Gargano is an entrepreneur, writer, survivor, and victim advocate from Southern California. She originally began sharing her story of resilience after attending the Las Vegas Route 91 festival and surviving a gunshot wound to the head. After enduring several surgeries and physically recovering, Elle began to realize she still had more trauma to digest. After escaping an abusive, nine-year relationship that persisted throughout her entire healing journey, Elle’s path of...

Content warning: intimate partner violence, domestic violence, physical, mental, emotional, and psychological abuse, gun violence and mass murder.

Elle Gargano is an entrepreneur, writer, survivor, and victim advocate from Southern California. She originally began sharing her story of resilience after attending the Las Vegas Route 91 festival and surviving a gunshot wound to the head. After enduring several surgeries and physically recovering, Elle began to realize she still had more trauma to digest. After escaping an abusive, nine-year relationship that persisted throughout her entire healing journey, Elle’s path of sharing has evolved and now allows her to advocate fo...

Content warning: domestic violence, physical violence, murder, and mass murder.

Kyleigh McPeek  and Grace Carroll are recent graduates of Stanford University. While they were students there, they launched an honors project that took podcast form. In this special episode of What Came Next, they share about their work on the True Crime Podcast Podcast, and their goal to promote awareness about the impact of - and ethics in - the true crime podcasting industry. The Broken Cycle Media team is not only incredibly grateful for their time and energy, but also for the advocacy and awareness they're promoting th...

Content warning: stalking, catfishing, fraud, narcissistic abuse, gaslighting, self-harm, suicidal ideation, and criminal threats.

 As shared in part one of her story, Jordan is a mother and survivor from Florida. She originally reached out to the Broken Cycle media team after hearing similarities between her journey and the journeys of the women from season 20 of Something Was Wrong. Jordan was compelled to share her experiences surviving catfishing,  fraud, abuse, and stalking, in order to offer awareness and community to others, as Season 20 previously did for her. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for Jordan's transparency and de...

Content warning: stalking, catfishing, fraud, narcissistic abuse, gaslighting, self-harm, suicidal ideation, and criminal threats.

Jordan is a mother and survivor from Florida. She originally reached out to the Broken Cycle Media team after hearing similarities between her journey and the journeys of the women from Season 20 of Something Was Wrong. Jordan was compelled to share her experiences surviving catfishing, fraud, abuse, and stalking in order to offer awareness and community to others, as Season 20 previously did for her. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for Jordan’s transparency and desire to continue our mission to support ot...

Content warning: sexual abuse, sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, statutory rape, human trafficking, sex trafficking, and suicide.

Lisa Phillips is a model, actress, survivor, and victim advocate who has spent much of her life all over the world. While cultivating a career in the modeling and acting industries, Lisa even found herself overseas and as a guest on Jeffrey Epstein’s private island. That specific trip would become quite traumatic for Lisa, and although she would never return to the property again, she would soon be trafficked into a vast and widespread ring that enabled mass sexual assault. Ho...

Content warning: childhood sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, rape, self-harm, suicidal ideation, attempted suicide, domestic violence, fraud, and financial, physical, emotional, mental, psychological, and narcissistic abuse.

Anu Verma is a mother, survivor, author, speaker, and film producer from the United Kingdom. Her childhood experiences of sexual abuse, as well as several future toxic relationships she would navigate, deeply affected her trajectory.  In this very candid conversation, Anu shares much of her heartbreak and consequent healing, in order to bring awareness and allow other victims to become victors over their own story.  The Broken Cycle media team is extremely th...

Content warning: spiritual, religious, financial, mental, and emotional abuse.

Lori Adams-Brown is a mother, survivor, leader, and an expert in cross-cultural business affairs. On today’s episode, Lori bravely shares her experiences working for a megachurch, and the consequent financial, verbal, psychological, mental, and spiritual abuse she faced while working for the church. The Broken Cycle Media team is in awe of Lori’s dedication to helping other survivors in the wake of all that came next for her and her family. We’re also grateful she continues to work to equip society with knowledge and awareness through her wo...

Content warning: stalking, burglary, gun violence, mass shooting, and murder. 

Anthony Jensen is a father, actor, producer, and survivor from Idaho by way of Oregon. He moved to Los Angeles in the late 1980’s to pursue a career in entertainment, and although the years following would be filled with great success, a 1991 shooting would forever impact the way he navigated life. Anthony was the manager of a movie theater, and in the auditorium, when a film’s opening night turned violent. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful that Tony took was willing to share about his exper...

Content warning: gun violence, stalking, emotional, mental, and psychological abuse, violent threats, criminal threats, hate crimes, racism, antisemitism, transphobia, and homophobia.

As shared in part one and two of their story, J.E. Reich is a journalist, editor, survivor, and victim advocate. They shared their story on Something Was Wrong season 6, episodes 5 and 6, which aired on December 6th and December 13th of 2020. The episodes discuss the impact of the devastating 2018 shooting at The Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and the impact the hate crime had on J.E.’s community. The three episodes also bring awareness to...

Content warning: gun violence, stalking, emotional, mental, and psychological abuse, violent threats, criminal threats, hate crimes, antisemitism, transphobia, and homophobia.

As shared in part one of their story, J.E. Reich is a journalist, editor, survivor, and victim advocate. They shared their story on Something Was Wrong season 6, episodes 5 and 6, which aired on December 6th and December 13th of 2020. The three episodes discuss the impact of the devastating 2018 shooting at The Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and the impact the hate crime had on J.E.’s community. The episodes also bring awareness to the related, ho...