What Came Next

Content Warning: intrafamilial sexual abuse, substance abuse, substance abuse disorder, domestic violence, child-to-parent violence, elder abuse, parricide, and murder.

Robin Lee is a court reporter, mother, survivor, and co-victim of murder from Southern California. Although Robin’s career in the criminal justice system has given her a unique perspective, it was the loss of her beloved mother, Jerri Lynn Boswell, that truly opened her eyes to the realities of the criminal justice processes. Jerri Lynn’s 2021 murder came after years of documented abuse at the hands of her son, Robin’s brother. And after what felt like a neve...

Content warning: missing persons and murder.

Today, we’re sharing a preview of The Final Hours, a true crime podcast from Crime House, powered by PAVE Studios.

Hosted by Sarah Turney and Kourtney Nichole, The Final Hours examines the moments just before a person disappears. The routines. The timelines. And the small details that often get overlooked, until it’s too late.

Sarah is an advocate for missing and murdered victims whose sister disappeared in 2001. Kourtney is a true crime storyteller and investigator who witnessed firsthand how crime can change a family forever. Toge...

Content warning: sexual abuse, sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, statutory rape, human trafficking, sex trafficking, and suicide.

This episode originally aired on November 29th, 2024.

Lisa Phillips is a model, actress, survivor, and victim advocate who has spent much of her life all over the world. While cultivating a career in the modeling and acting industries, Lisa even found herself overseas and as a guest on Jeffrey Epstein’s private island. That specific trip would become quite traumatic for Lisa, and although she would never return to the property again, she would soon be trafficked into a...

Content warning: murder.

The cold-blooded murder of a rising college football star stunned the University of
Miami - and now, nearly 20 years later, a former teammate stands trial for the crime.
An investigative series from ESPN’s acclaimed 30 for 30 Podcasts, “Murder at the U”
unravels a story of betrayal, brotherhood, and the long road to justice in one of the
most gripping sports crime stories in recent memory. With in-depth reporting and
jaw-dropping twists, this true crime series explores the shocking death of Bryan Pata
as it finally heads to the courtr...

Content Warning: grooming, domestic violence, physical violence, sexual violence, sexual abuse, childhood sexual abuse, and sex trafficking.

In these two episodes we feature Marina Lacerda, a survivor and mother from Brazil. In her youth, she immigrated to New York with her mother in hopes of forging a new life. Almost immediately, Marina would begin to face sexual and physical violence that normalized a long cycle of abuse. By the time she was 14, Marina would be introduced to Jeffrey Epstein, a man that seemed to symbolize success and wealth, but only added to her trauma. Eventually, Marina would...

Content warning: murder.

The latest season of ESPN's 30 for 30 Podcasts tells the story of a murder that stunned the world of college football, but then inexplicably went cold. In 2006, Brian Pata, a 22-year-old Rising University of Miami football star was executed in broad daylight, steps from campus and months from realizing his NFL dreams.

No murder weapon was found, witnesses were missing, and of what statements could be gathered, some were conflicting. Leads came and went. For nearly a decade, Brian Pata's murder sat unresolved, a long-dormant case defined more by rumor than evidence. Until...

Content Warning: grooming, domestic violence, physical violence, sexual violence, sexual abuse, childhood sexual abuse, and sex trafficking.

Marina Lacerda is a survivor and mother from Brazil. In her youth, she immigrated to New York with her mother in hopes of forging a new life. Almost immediately, Marina would begin to face sexual and physical violence that normalized a long cycle of abuse. By the time she was 14, Marina would be introduced to Jeffrey Epstein, a man that seemed to symbolize success and wealth, but only added to her trauma. Eventually, Marina would play a part in both...

Content Warning: child abuse, domestic violence, physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, sexual assault, image-based sexual abuse, cyberstalking, and rape.

Mae Scott is a multi-crime survivor, mother, and author. Her story of survivorship began at the age of 14, when she met the man she would eventually marry. And although their relationship would end violently and her ex-husband would face a potential life sentence for the harm he forced upon Mae, her legal battle did not end there. After navigating the criminal justice processes, as well as a treacherous family and divorce court journey, Mae now uses her experiences...

Content Warning: child abuse, domestic violence, physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, sexual assault, image-based sexual abuse, cyberstalking, and rape.

Mae Scott is a multi-crime survivor, mother, and author. Her story of survivorship began at the age of 14, when she met the man she would eventually marry. And although their relationship would end violently and her ex-husband would face a potential life sentence for the harm he forced upon Mae, her legal battle did not end there. After navigating the criminal justice processes, as well as a treacherous family and divorce court journey, Mae now uses her experiences...

Content Warning: domestic violence, physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, sexual assault, image-based sexual abuse, cyberstalking, and rape.

Mae Scott is a multi-crime survivor, mother, and author. Her story of survivorship began at the age of 14, when she met the man she would eventually marry. And although their relationship would end violently and her ex-husband would face a potential life sentence for the harm he forced upon Mae, her legal battle did not end there. After navigating the criminal justice processes, as well as a treacherous family and divorce court journey, Mae now uses her experiences to bring...

Content Warning: domestic violence, physical, emotional, spiritual, and professional abuse, stalking, child abuse, childhood sexual abuse, and rape.

Nicole Meyer is a mother, educator, and victim-survivor of several types of abuse from Melbourne, Australia. Her journey towards justice and healing was a long, arduous one that spanned 15 years and two countries. Amidst it, Nicole was eventually joined by her sisters, who she would find out were victims of her alleged abuser. The highly publicized nature of their legal battle inspired them to participate in the documentary, Surviving Malka Leifer, and has propelled Nicole to continue to speak...

Content Warning: domestic violence, physical, emotional, spiritual, and professional abuse, stalking, child abuse, childhood sexual abuse, and rape.

Nicole Meyer is a mother, educator, and victim-survivor of several types of abuse from Melbourne, Australia. Her journey towards justice and healing was a long, arduous one that spanned 15 years and two countries. Amidst it, Nicole was eventually joined by her sisters, who she would find out were victims of her alleged abuser. The highly publicized nature of their legal battle inspired them to participate in the documentary, Surviving Malka Leifer, and has propelled Nicole to continue to speak...

Content Warning: domestic violence, physical, emotional, spiritual, and professional abuse, stalking, child abuse, childhood sexual abuse, and rape.

Nicole Meyer is a mother, educator, and victim-survivor of several types of abuse from Melbourne, Australia. Her journey towards justice and healing was a long, arduous one that spanned 15 years and two countries. Amidst it, Nicole was eventually joined by her sisters, who she would find out were victims of her alleged abuser. The highly publicized nature of their legal battle inspired them to participate in the documentary, Surviving Malka Leifer, and has propelled Nicole to continue to speak...

Hi friends,
We wanted to take a moment to wish our audience the healthiest, happiest new year possible. We are endlessly grateful for each of you who listens, shares, and shows up with curiosity and care. We don’t take your listening lightly. Thank you for choosing to spend your time with us, for leaving your hearts open to our guests’ perspectives, and for supporting What Came Next in ways both big and small. This podcast exists because of your time, your trust, and your willingness to engage in these conversations. This week, we encourage you to go back and...

Content Warning: domestic violence, murder, and missing persons.

 Dr. Kelli Boling and Dr. Danielle Slakoff join us today to discuss their impactful research about the creation and consumption of true crime media. They both bring years of experience and expertise to their work in hopes of inspiring true crime to be a more equitable healing space for victims and co-victims. The Broken Cycle Media team has long admired their work and is honored they would join us to talk about their research discoveries and how we can all work to improve the genre for those at the c...

Content Warning: sexual assault, rape, image-based sexual abuse, strangulation, domestic violence, and attempted murder.

As shared in part one of her story, Kelly Sutliff is a survivor, founder of the nonprofit Kelly’s K-9’s: Tails of Courage, and a licensed professional counselor from New Jersey. In 2018, after a devastating grief journey, Kelly decided to return to her search for a life partner. It wouldn’t be long before she met a government contractor promising her the future she desired. However, her entire life changed on December 16th, 2019, when the loving relationship she had been cultivating with her ne...

Content Warning: sexual assault, rape, image-based sexual abuse, strangulation, domestic violence, and attempted murder.

Kelly Sutliff is a survivor, founder of the nonprofit Kelly’s K-9’s: Tails of Courage, and a licensed professional counselor from New Jersey. In 2018, after a devastating grief journey, Kelly decided to return to her search for a life partner. It wouldn’t be long before she met a government contractor promising her the future she desired. However, her entire life changed on December 16th, 2019, when the loving relationship she had been cultivating with her new husband ended violently. After surviving an allege...

Content Warning:  verbal abuse, physical abuse, child sexual abuse, sexual assault, rape, and suicidal ideation.

Janelle Hill is a psychiatric nurse practitioner and survivor from Montana. She and I first had the chance to meet each other at an intimate dinner celebrating the survivor-founded non-profit, The Army of Survivors, and their newest evolution: a full rebranding as The Athlete Survivor's Assist. Janelle currently proudly serves on their advisory board, and shared a bit of her story that evening. I was deeply moved by her strength, expertise, and ability to encapsulate her difficult experiences with grace and relatability. T...

Content Warning:  verbal abuse, physical abuse, child sexual abuse, sexual assault, rape, and suicidal ideation.

Janelle Hill is a psychiatric nurse practitioner and survivor from Montana. She and I first had the chance to meet each other at an intimate dinner celebrating the survivor-founded non-profit, The Army of Survivors, and their newest evolution: a full rebranding as The Athlete Survivor's Assist. Janelle currently proudly serves on their advisory board, and shared a bit of her story that evening. I was deeply moved by her strength, expertise, and ability to encapsulate her difficult experiences with grace and relatability. T...

*Content warning: self-harm, child abuse, physical, mental, emotional, and sexual abuse and assault.

Dr. Danielle Moore is a doctorate of forensic psychology, victim advocate, and former competitive gymnast. Despite the fact that her tumultuous journey has included extensive abuse and physical and emotional pain, Dr. Dani is a true beacon of hope for survivors. No matter what came next for her, she has managed to channel her energies into advocacy, to make true change in athletic systems all-around.

The Athlete Survivors' Assist formerly Army of Survivors:
https://theathletesurvivorsassist.org/what-we-do/

The Athlete Survivors...

Content warning: wrongful conviction, domestic violence, childhood abuse, robbery, death, and murder.

 Maggie Freleng is an advocate, award-winning journalist, and producer reporting on wrongful convictions, the criminal legal system, and social issues. She's the host and producer of the Pulitzer Prize-winning podcast Suave on PRX, as well as the host and producer of the Signal and Anthem award-winning podcast, Wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freleng. She also hosts Up and Vanished Weekly podcast, and is here to share about her newest release, Bone Valley Season three entitled Graves County, as well as about her work across all genres o...

Content Warning: rape, self-harm, and suicidal ideation.

Marlee Liss is a survivor,award-winning speaker, victim advocate, somatic educator, and author from Toronto, Canada. She grew up in the arts, but pivoted to social work when she began her college career. It was in Marlee’s junior year when her life changed forever; she became the victim of a sexual assault and entered an arduous journey in the criminal justice system as a result. However, three years into that battle for justice, Marlee found an additional path: restorative justice. According to Walden University, quote “Punitive justice is the idea...

Content Warning: self-harm, suicidal ideation, sexual assault, multiple perpetrator sexual assault, rape, gang violence, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, physical abuse, mental abuse, abduction, murder.

Bevin Llanes is a mother, survivor, and victim advocate from New York. Bevin joins us today to share about her daughter Meghan’s journey, as well as to bring awareness to domestic violence. In these two episodes, Bevin candidly shares about the immense trauma Meghan was forced to face in her youth, and the harmful path she was launched down as a result. Devastatingly, Meghan’s young life was stolen on October 23rd...

Content Warning: self-harm, suicidal ideation, sexual assault, multiple perpetrator sexual assault, rape, gang violence, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, physical abuse, mental abuse, abduction, murder. 

Bevin Llanes is a mother, survivor, and victim advocate from New York. Bevin joins us today to share about her daughter Meghan’s journey, as well as to bring awareness to domestic violence. In these two episodes, Bevin candidly shares about the immense trauma Meghan was forced to face in her youth, and the harmful path she was launched down as a result. Devastatingly, Meghan’s young life was stolen on October 23rd, 2021, after...

If you’ve ever thought about writing your story - whether that's for personal catharsis or for connection to your community - today’s episode is for you. Our goal with this episode is to empower survivors! In it we’re sharing some lesser-known literary world tips and tricks that help you organize, plan, write, and even publish your non-fiction works. For example, did you know you don’t even need to write your non-fiction book in order to pitch it to a publisher or an agent? You just have to write a non-fiction manuscript proposal, which is a fabulous tool for...

Content Warning: neglect, miscarriage, gang violence, assault, physical violence, substance use disorder, and suicidal ideation.

Cesar Cardona is a survivor, public speaker, and mindfulness educator living in Los Angeles, California. Cesar’s tumultuous youth first set him on a path of self-destruction. But after he faced a brutal, life-altering attack, Cesar found Buddhism and meditation as a means of coping and healing. Now he is on a mission, both within his speaking career and on his podcast “Beauty in the Break,” to bring light and hope to others’ lives. The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply grateful for Cesar’s...

Content Warning: pedophilia, religious abuse, physical abuse, rape, childhood sexual abuse, childhood sexual assault, child abuse, substance use disorder, professional abuse, self-harm, suicidal ideation, and suicide.

JJ Comerford is an author, professional, former servicemember, and survivor from Australia. In these two episodes, J.J. rawly shares about the physical and sexual abuse he experienced as a student in the private Catholic school system in the 1970’s. After decades of suffering in silence, J.J. was eventually encouraged to share about his abuse at-large. Since he began his mission of awareness, his media efforts and book have offered much so...

Content Warning: pedophilia, religious abuse, physical abuse, rape, childhood sexual abuse, childhood sexual assault, child abuse, substance use disorder, professional abuse, self-harm, suicidal ideation, and suicide.

JJ Comerford is an author, professional, former servicemember, and survivor from Australia. In these two episodes, J.J. rawly shares about the physical and sexual abuse he experienced as a student in the private Catholic school system in the 1970’s. After decades of suffering in silence, J.J. was eventually encouraged to share about his abuse at-large. Since he began his mission of awareness, his media efforts and book have offered much so...

Content Warning: substance use disorder, suicidal ideation, assault, intimate partner violence, domestic violence, rape, stalking, human trafficking, sex trafficking, gun violence, and murder.

Ti is an incredibly resilient multi-crime survivor from Madagascar. She first joined a dating app in her mid-20’s with the hope of finding the love of her life. She wasn’t expecting to be swept off her feet and away to America, but life had other plans for her. However, when she arrived in Michigan by way of Chicago, she was shocked to quickly learn the highly abusive nature of her new husband’s action...

Content Warning: substance use disorder, suicidal ideation, suicide attempt, child abuse, chilhood sexual abuse, rape, statutory rape, stalking, human trafficking, sex trafficking, domestic violence, and murder.

Ti is an incredibly resilient multi-crime survivor from Madagascar. She first joined a dating app in her mid-20’s with the hope of finding the love of her life. She wasn’t expecting to be swept off her feet and away to America, but life had other plans for her. However, when she arrived in Michigan by way of Chicago, she was shocked to quickly learn the highly abusive nature of her new...

Content Warning: robbery, rape, domestic violence, domestic abuse, child abuse, missing persons, and suspected murder. 

Alison Duiker is an educator, author, mother, and survivor from Ohio. Her life was upended days before her fifth birthday when her mom, Lonene, went missing. Over the last forty-four years, Alison has worked diligently to bring awareness to her mother’s cold case, as well as to make change for other families with missing loved ones. The Broken Cycle Media team is honored she was willing to share her and her mother’s journey with us, and we deeply encourage our audience membe...

Content Warning: vandalism, stalking, harassment, cyberstalking, emotional, mental, and physical abuse, arson, and murder.

Debbie Riddle is a graphic designer, mother, wife, survivor of stalking, and co-victim of murder from Ohio. In these two episodes, Debbie shares about her role as big sister to Peggy, a shining light of the Klinke family. In 1998, as Peggy turned to higher academia to empower herself post-divorce, she met a man that would change her trajectory forever. What would ensue is a controlling, harmful relationship that Peggy eventually freed herself from. However, her ex-boyfriend began viciously and relentlessly stalking Peggy, her family...

Content Warning: vandalism, stalking, harassment, cyberstalking, emotional, mental, and physical abuse, arson, and murder. 

Debbie Riddle is a graphic designer, mother, wife, survivor of stalking, and co-victim of murder from Ohio. In these two episodes, Debbie shares about her role as big sister to Peggy, a shining light of the Klinke family. In 1998, as Peggy turned to higher academia to empower herself post-divorce, she met a man that would change her trajectory forever. What would ensue is a controlling, harmful relationship that Peggy eventually freed herself from. However, her ex-boyfriend began viciously and relentlessly stalking Peggy, her family m...

Content warning: intimate partner violence, domestic violence, rape, sexual assault, stalking, religious abuse, and cultic abuse.

 Something Was Wrong Season 21 episodes 9 through 12 aired in August of 2024 and highlighted Jubilee's abusive experiences as a young new member of the Bethel Church. After receiving a prophecy from a church leader regarding her so-called destined relationship, she also entered a church-sanctioned marriage that would become highly abusive. Jubilee then candidly shared about the incredibly difficult process of extricating herself from both the church and her marriage. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful that Jubilee was willing to return to s...

Content warning: drug-facilitated sexual assault, human trafficking, and vehicular manslaughter.

Shawnee Baker is a co-victim, mother of five, an author, non-profit organization founder, and nurse from Ontario, Canada. In this episode, Shawnee shares about her daughter Baylie, a bright, motivated college sophomore with hopes of becoming a neurologist. However, as Baylie’s second year of college began her life would be tragically cut short under suspicious, allegedly criminal circumstances. Now, Shawnee is working to bring awareness, education, and safety resources to young adults all over the country in honor of Baylie’s legacy. The Broken Cycle Media team is i...

Content Warning: infidelity, physical abuse, intimate partner violence, domestic violence, and murder.

Jenn Holman is a survivor, mother, and faithful family woman living in Idaho by way of Southern California. Our paths first crossed over eighteen years ago, when she began dating my brother (whom she has chosen to address as Jesse in this episode, although I have referred to him as ‘Rory’ in the past). Her relationship with Jesse began a year and a few months prior to my mother’s murder, and although I was privy to a portion of what Jenn will share in this conver...

Content warning: suicidal ideation, suicide, image-based sexual abuse, coercion, intimate partner violence, and human trafficking. 

Norma Buster is a survivor, speaker, podcaster, and Chief of Staff at C.A. Goldberg Law, a Brooklyn-based victims rights law firm. Norma grew up with a passion for fashion, but after experiencing harassment and image-based sexual abuse at a pivotal point in her life, Norma was inspired to help other victims. She does so in her position at the legal firm, and she also continues that mission with her speaking and podcasting efforts. Her show, Oral Arguments, is geared towards sex positivity a...

Content warning: coercion, blackmail, extortion, abduction, kidnapping, slavery, sociopathy, psychopathy, intimate partner violence, and attempted murder.

Megan is a loving family woman, equestrian, and survivor of abduction and attempted slavery born in Southern California. Although Megan spent many of her younger years growing her love for horses at her family’s idyllic Colorado stable, her life prior was anything but calm. In fact, Megan was originally named Fallon Daniel, and on November 21st, 1985, Megan’s birth father would attempt to extort $90,000 from the couple who would eventually adopt and raise her. After an unprecedented case that took the medi...

*Content warning: harassment, cyberstalking, workplace abuse, sexual abuse material, sexual sadism, murder, and serial murder.

Javier Leiva is a podcast host and Emmy award-winning producer. His show, Pretend Podcast, began airing in 2017 and highlights cases of fraud executed by perpetrators from cult leaders to con artists to undercover FBI agents. However, it was in June 2024 that Pretend's eighteenth season became much more personal for him. At first, accusations against Arkansas based LaDonna Humphrey barely grabbed his attention. But the more accusations he received, the more Javier realized he had to work to uncover the truth about LaDonna, a...

Content warning: intimate partner violence, domestic violence, officer-involved domestic violence, and murder.

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What Came Next featuring Hannah Vanderhorst: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hannah-vanderhorst-something-so-sinister-part-1/id1674051643?i=1000703125368

What Came Next featuring Bruce Bieber: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bruce-bieber-i-was-the-uninitiated-part-1/id1674051643?i=1000712717519

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