Minds on the Frontline Podcast
The Minds on the Frontline Podcast brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program in collaboration with the Michigan Crisis and Access Line. Frontline Strong Together, or FST5, provides streamlined access to behavioral health resources, as well as increased access to crisis services to Michigan’s front line five, which includes all professional, part-time, and volunteer firefighters, EMS, law enforcement, corrections officers, and 911 dispatchers. The Michigan Crisis and Access Line, or MiCAL, serves as the central call center for the FST5 Program. FST5 was collaboratively created by first responders and mental health experts to provide 24/7 live su...
PROTECTING THE PERSON BEHIND THE UNIFORM, with Fire Chief John Thiede
Belleville Fire Chief John Thiede reflects on nearly four decades with the Romulus Fire Department and how those experiences shaped his leadership, relationships, and life beyond work. He recounts rescuing the sole survivor of Northwest Airlines Flight 255, assisting at Ground Zero, and supporting his crew after a fellow firefighter died by suicide. The conversation explores why people may thrive at work yet struggle at home, how leaders and peers can support one another through tragedy, and the importance of listening and staying connected. John also discusses acting, comedy, sports broadcasting, and community theater, and how outside interests can sustain...
STRESS, TRAUMA & THE FIRST RESPONDER BRAIN, with Dr. Danielle Taylor
In this episode of Minds on the Frontline, Dr. Danielle Taylor, a licensed clinical psychologist and neuroscience researcher, explains how stress and trauma affect the brain and body, how to recognize when normal reactions are no longer resolving, and what happens when someone seeks professional help. This conversation offers practical guidance for law enforcement, fire, EMS, corrections, 911 dispatchers, and the families who support them.
Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Frontline Strong Together 5 Program. FST5 provides streamlined access to behavioral and mental health services, as well as crisis resources for Michigan’s fr...
ONE FATAL CALL, TWO DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, with William Kaczur
In this episode of Minds on the Frontline, licensed professional counselor William Kaczur, MS, LPC, NCE, CISM, reflects on his first fire department ride-along, which took an unexpected turn when he was brought directly to the scene of a fatal motor vehicle crash. William and Mike revisit the call from the perspectives of a clinician and a responder, exploring the organized work beneath the apparent chaos, the care shown to the person who died and their family, and the moral or “human injury” responders may carry afterward. They also discuss debriefing, station culture, the importance of the kitchen table, and...
SAME EVENT, DIFFERENT WOUNDS: Surviving the Oxford High School Shooting
E85 - SAME EVENT, DIFFERENT WOUNDS: Surviving the Oxford High School Shooting
In this episode of Minds on the Frontline, Oxford High School shooting survivor Kylie Ossege and firefighter-paramedic Justin Templeton share what the same traumatic event looked and felt like from opposite sides. Kylie recounts her experience in the hallway, ambulance, and recovery, while Justin describes the response, difficult triage decisions, and emotional weight he carried after the call.
Their connection offers a powerful look at how communication and perspective can fill in missing pieces, provide closure, and support healing. This conversation...
YOU ARE NOT BROKEN: Retraining the First Responder Brain, with Dr. Jason Wilkinson
In this episode of Minds on the Frontline, we speak with Dr. Jason Wilkinson, a clinical psychologist and assistant professor at Wayne State University, about what first responders and their families can expect when seeking clinical care. Dr. Wilkinson explains the initial evaluation process and breaks down treatment options, including QEEG brain mapping, neurofeedback, EMDR, and medication. The conversation explores how trauma, disrupted sleep, chronic stress, and years of remaining alert can affect the brain and body, why the same event can impact people differently, and how trust, support, and workplace culture can influence recovery. Most importantly, this episode...
Supporting First Responders Through Loss, with FST5 and Dignity Memorial
In this episode of Minds on the Frontline, we speak with Sarah Hutton and Scott Hurrell about the partnership between FST5 and Dignity Memorial, a network of funeral homes, cemeteries, cremation providers, and memorial service professionals. This partnership helps support Michigan first responders and their families during times of loss by easing the financial and logistical burden of funeral arrangements. Dignity Memorial offers funeral services and related merchandise at no cost for line-of-duty deaths and provides significant support and discounts for other first responder family losses. Through this partnership, FST5 can help connect first responders, families, departments, and agencies...
Private EMS, Public Impact: No Responder Left Behind
In this episode of Minds on the Frontline, we talk with Vince Waryas, Operations Director for Universal Macomb and board member with the Michigan Association of Ambulance Services, about the realities faced by private EMS providers. With nearly 30 years of EMS experience, Vince brings a practical perspective on the unique stressors of private EMS, why these providers are often left out of responder wellness conversations, and why support must fit the real-world environment where people work. This conversation highlights the importance of leadership, listening, peer support, and trusted mental health resources in making sure no responder is left behind.Â
Balancing Service and Self: A Conversation on Mental Health, with Steve Grunwald
In this episode, Detroit radio host and part-time law enforcement officer Steve Grunwald joins Geoff Lassers and Mike Mattern for a candid conversation about balancing service and self. Steve discusses work-life balance, the pressure to always show up, the stigma around asking for help, suicide prevention, peer conversations, and the importance of finding healthy ways to decompress.
Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Frontline Strong Together 5 Program. FST5 provides streamlined access to behavioral and mental health services, as well as crisis resources for Michigan’s frontline workers and their families. NEED HEL...
WHAT HAPPENS After You Ask for Help? With Dr. Rebecca Klisz-Hulbert
This episode will provide a practical, high-level overview of the treatment options available through the Frontline Strong Together 5 Program, with Dr. Klisz-Hulbert explaining how first responders and their families can connect with the right providers and what to expect when seeking help. The conversation will walk through the process from initial contact to ongoing care, highlighting how individuals are matched with culturally competent providers and how treatment may progress over time, with the goal of making access to support clear, straightforward, and approachable.
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How to Start a Peer Support Team
This episode focuses on how to start and build a peer support team within a first responder organization. We discuss what peer support is, how it differs from Critical Incident Stress Management, and how the two systems work together. We also cover team structure, training, clinician involvement, confidentiality, legal protections, and the key components needed to develop a trusted and sustainable program. This episode provides a clear starting point for Michigan first responder agencies looking to build, strengthen, or expand a peer support team.
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Building FST5 - The MPFFU Perspective, with Matt Sahr
In this episode, we are joined by Matt Sahr, President of the Michigan Professional Fire Fighters Union (MPFFU), as we continue our Building FST5 series. Matt represents thousands of professional firefighters across Michigan and brings decades of experience in the fire service and statewide labor leadership. Through the lens of the MPFFU, this conversation explores how the fire service recognized the growing mental and behavioral health challenges associated with the profession and why union leadership supported a coordinated statewide approach to addressing them. Matt discusses how early collaboration with the Fraternal Order of Police and the Police Officers Association...
The FST5 Crisis and Resource Line, with Jim Peyton and Ryan Kilyanek
In this episode, we are joined by Jim Peyton, Manager of the FST5 Crisis and Resource Line and a retired Detroit firefighter-paramedic, and by Ryan Kilyanek, a line supervisor with experience in corrections and behavioral health response. Together, they provide a clear look at what happens when someone calls the line and who is on the other end of the phone. Through their perspectives, the conversation explains the line’s purpose, who should consider calling, and what callers can expect when they make contact. We discuss how confidentiality is handled, how call priority is determined, and how callers are co...
Building FST5 - The POAM Perspective, with James Tignanelli
In this episode, we are joined by James Tignanelli, President of the Police Officers Association of Michigan (POAM), as we continue our Building FST5 series. James brings decades of experience representing law enforcement agencies across Michigan and working directly with frontline professionals. Through the lens of POAM, this conversation explores how shared challenges across law enforcement, fire, EMS, corrections, and 911 dispatch revealed the need for a coordinated statewide approach to mental and behavioral health support. James discusses how early collaboration with the Fraternal Order of Police and the Michigan Professional Fire Fighters Union helped shape the Frontline Strong Together 5...
The Slippery Slope of Frontline Stress, with Cinnamon Reiheld, MSW, LISW
In this episode, we are joined by Cinnamon Reiheld, MSW, LISW, a trauma specialist with extensive experience working with first responders. Recognized for her straightforward and practical approach, she skillfully translates clinical concepts into everyday advice for responders. Since Cinnamon isn’t licensed in Michigan and isn’t affiliated with local systems, she provides an unbiased, third-party perspective. This allows her to offer honest, practical guidance on what to look for in a therapist, what to avoid, and what culturally sensitive care should encompass. Cinnamon also hosts "After the Tones Drop" (www.afterthetonesdrop.co), a podcast dedicated to mental heal...
Building FST5: The FOP Perspective, with Mike Sauger
In this episode, we welcome Mike Sauger, a Warren police officer and President of the Michigan Fraternal Order of Police, to discuss how Michigan identified gaps in mental and behavioral health support for first responders and how those gaps led to the creation of Frontline Strong Together 5. Drawing on decades of experience in dispatch, patrol, and statewide labor leadership, Mike shares the law enforcement perspective on how critical incidents were historically handled and why many officers and dispatchers navigated trauma with limited formal support. We discuss how leaders within the Fraternal Order of Police, the Police Officers Association of...
Men’s Health on the Frontlines, with Dr. Michael Lutz
In this episode, we welcome Dr. Michael Lutz, a retired urologist and President of the Michigan Men’s Health Foundation, to discuss men’s health, prevention, and the long-term health risks faced by first responders. Drawing on more than 40 years of experience in Metro Detroit, Dr. Lutz focuses on prostate cancer screening, early detection, and preventive care. We examine how shift work, disrupted sleep, chronic stress, environmental exposures, and workplace culture increase risks for cancer, cardiovascular disease, metabolic disorders, hormonal imbalance, and mental health challenges, and why routine screenings are often delayed due to stigma and misconceptions about masculinity. Dr...
Postpartum Depression on the Frontline, with Kathryn Dunklow
In this episode, Kathryn Dunklow, EMS Administrator for the Traverse City Fire Department, shares her experiences with frontline work, leadership, motherhood, and unseen struggles. Her journey from rural, fire-based EMS to leadership shaped her resilience, especially after her twins' birth in 2021. Kathryn talks about postpartum depression and anxiety, early signs she missed, and realizing she needed help. Her honesty highlights the cultural pressures women face and the emotional weight responders carry silently. We discuss postpartum mental health signs, how peers and leaders can support, and what support should look like for pregnant and postpartum responders.
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Connecting Michigan’s Frontline Through MCAs, with Dr. Robert Dunne and Damon Gorelick
In this episode, we welcome Dr. Rob Dunne and Damon Gorelick from the Detroit East Medical Control Authority. Dr. Dunne, an emergency medicine and EMS physician, is the Medical Director for DEMCA and the Detroit Fire Department. Damon Gorelick, the Executive Director of DEMCA, oversees system operations, coordination, and partnerships across EMS, dispatch, hospitals, and public health. They explain what a Medical Control Authority is, how MCAs work in Michigan, and their importance to fire, EMS, police, dispatch, and corrections. The episode also discusses mental health challenges faced by responders and how MCAs connect providers and families to wellness...
Every Drink Counts: The Real Cost of Alcohol, with Dr. Andrew King, MD
This episode is an honest, evidence-based discussion about one of the most common coping mechanisms in frontline culture: Alcohol. From celebrations to stress relief, drinking has long been a part of the rhythm of public safety life. But what is it really doing to our bodies, minds, and overall well-being? We welcome Dr. Andrew King, an Emergency Physician, Medical Toxicologist, and Addiction Medicine Specialist at Wayne State University and the Detroit Medical Center, as well as the Medical Director of the Michigan Poison and Drug Information Center. During this episode, we discuss what alcohol does to the brain, along...
Women, Motherhood, & Life on the Frontlines, with Lindsey Thompson
This episode features Lieutenant Lindsey Thompson from the Washtenaw County Sheriff’s Office, Police Services Division. A mother who started law enforcement later after working in other fields, Lindsey discusses postpartum depression, trauma, challenges for women in male-dominated fields, the difference between “big-T" and “micro” traumas, and the importance of transparency and proactive mental health care to reduce stigma and build resilience.
Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Frontline Strong Together 5 Program. FST5 provides streamlined access to behavioral and mental health services, as well as crisis resources for Michigan’s frontline workers and their...
Fueling the Frontline with Nutrition That Works, with Megan Lautz RD
This episode of Minds on the Frontline features Meaghan Lotz, a registered dietician, certified strength and conditioning specialist, and tactical strength coach who works with fire, EMS, law enforcement, and corrections. Through her company, Rescue RD, she helps frontline workers manage the real challenges of shift work, stress, and demanding schedules with practical, judgment-free strategies. In this episode, Meaghan discusses how nutrition affects mental health, why traditional advice often doesn't suit the lifestyles of most first responders, and provides simple, realistic steps anyone can take to improve their eating habits.
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Debriefing the Unthinkable, with Justin Templeton
This episode of Minds on the Frontline takes us deep inside the unseen reality of what it means to flip the switch during a crisis, and what happens when it won’t flip back. Our guest, Justin Templeton, is a seasoned firefighter, Paramedic, and company officer who responded to the Oxford High School shooting. He openly discusses the mental toll of that day, the importance of peer support, and the long path to post-traumatic growth. Together, we explore themes of resilience, leadership, memory gaps, and how first responders can genuinely care for themselves and each other.
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Fear, Safety, & the Traumatized Brain, with Dr. Tanja Jovanovic
This episode of Minds on the Frontline examines how trauma changes the brain and what that means for those who serve. Dr. Tanja Jovanovic, a well-known neuroscientist and professor at Wayne State University, joins us to explain how stress, trauma, and PTSD physically affect brain function and how that understanding can help frontline workers recover. We discuss how childhood adversity, genetics, and repeated exposure to trauma can impact mental health, and why PTSD is more than just a diagnosis. It’s a neurological response. Dr. Jovanovic also shares compelling research on fear processing, brain plasticity, and recovery, including emerging tre...
Prioritizing Officer Wellness, with Officer Steve Dluzynski
In this episode of Minds on the Frontline, Dearborn Police Officer Stephen Dluzynski shares how the loss of his best friend and fellow officer to suicide became the catalyst for his personal healing and professional mission. Through honest reflection and practical advice, Steve discusses the emotional impact of cumulative trauma, the value of therapy, and how he helped build a peer-driven wellness program that any agency can replicate, regardless of budget. This episode is a call to action for frontline workers, leaders, and families to support one another, adapt to change, and prioritize their mental health.Â
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Cannabis Risks, Research, and Reality with Dr. Leslie Lundahl
In this episode of Minds on the Frontline, we take an educational, research-driven look at cannabis and its impact on mental health, trauma, and high-stress professions. As cannabis use becomes more common and socially accepted, frontline workers, clinicians, and agency leaders must understand the facts behind the substance, not just the headlines. This episode does not promote use. It offers clarity, context, and critical insight for those navigating cannabis-related questions in both personal and professional settings.
Our guest, Dr. Leslie Lundahl, is a clinical psychologist and behavioral pharmacologist at Wayne State University. With over two decades of e...
Letting Them Rot with Cliff VanDeusen
This episode brings you a raw and powerful story of crisis, recovery, and the silent battles many frontline workers face. Firefighter Cliff VanDeusen shares how a traumatic pediatric call in 2021 triggered unresolved trauma, leading to a dissociative episode, a suicide attempt, and a complex PTSD diagnosis. We are also joined by Amanda Davarn (MA, LPC-S and EMT-B), Cliff’s clinical therapist, who offers insight into trauma treatment, medication, EMDR, and how clinicians can guide frontline workers back to themselves without trying to fix them. Together, they open the door to honest conversations about healing, support, and how departments can imp...
Same Fight, Different Uniforms - Avi Amirsadri & Dr. Keith Alangaden
This episode explores the emotional parallels between emergency room teams and frontline responders. We are joined by Dr. Keith Alangaden, an emergency physician and EMS medical director, along with Avazeh “Avi” Amirsadri, a nurse and the ER director at Sinai-Grace Hospital in downtown Detroit. Together, they discuss the shared stress, culture, and coping challenges that connect ER staff and frontline workers.Â
Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Frontline Strong Together 5 Program. FST5 provides streamlined access to behavioral and mental health services, as well as crisis resources for Michigan’s frontline workers and their f...
AR Therapy & First Responder Trauma with Dr. Arash Javanbakht
This episode explores trauma recovery with Dr. Arash Javanbakht, who is transforming PTSD treatment by integrating augmented reality (AR) therapy into treatment. We explore how this technology aids first responders in trauma situations within controlled environments while connecting to the real world. From navigating crowded stores to handling aggressive encounters, AR facilitates exposure therapy, training, and genuine healing.
Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Frontline Strong Together 5 Program. FST5 provides streamlined access to behavioral and mental health services, as well as crisis resources for Michigan’s frontline workers and their families. NEED...
What PTSD Looks Like in 911 Dispatch – Jason and Kathy Lott
In this episode, we explore the hidden mental toll faced by 9-1-1 dispatchers. Kathy and Jason Lott, founders of the Thin Gold Line, share their personal story: how PTSD forced Jason into medical retirement and how they transformed pain into purpose by supporting dispatchers nationwide. We examine the pivotal moment in Jason’s journey, what healing entails, and the importance of compassion and connection in fostering healthier dispatch centers.
Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Frontline Strong Together 5 Program. FST5 provides streamlined access to behavioral and mental health services, as well as...
When Cancer Hits Home - Dr. Mary Morreale, psycho-oncologist, cancer survivor
In this episode, we welcome Dr. Mary Morreale, psycho-oncologist and cancer survivor. Joining us as a guest co-host is Larry Gambotto, a firefighter and cancer survivor who is also the State Director of the Michigan Chapter of the Firefighter Cancer Support Network. During this episode, we delve into the emotional impact of a cancer diagnosis on first responders and their families, the strength it takes to accept help, and how we can truly support those fighting these battles. We discuss practical support, survivor’s guilt, end-of-life planning, and why vulnerability may be our greatest strength.
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When Cancer Hits Home - Dr. Mary Morreale, psycho-oncologist, cancer survivor
In this episode, we welcome Dr. Mary Morreale, psycho-oncologist and cancer survivor. Joining us as a guest co-host is Larry Gambotto, a firefighter and cancer survivor who is also the State Director of the Michigan Chapter of the Firefighter Cancer Support Network. During this episode, we delve into the emotional impact of a cancer diagnosis on first responders and their families, the strength it takes to accept help, and how we can truly support those fighting these battles. We discuss practical support, survivor’s guilt, end-of-life planning, and why vulnerability may be our greatest strength.
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Somatic Skills for Stress and Resilience with Mr. G and David Roberts
In this episode, Michael “Mr. G” Gillespie and David Roberts from Mind Body Reconnect (www.mindbodyreconnect.org) discuss how somatic skills (simple, body-based techniques) can help shift the nervous system from stress to balance. With backgrounds in clinical care and lived experience, they explore evidence-based practices that enhance resilience, especially for frontline workers.
Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Frontline Strong Together 5 Program. FST5 provides streamlined access to behavioral and mental health services, as well as crisis resources for Michigan’s frontline workers and their families. NEED HELP NOW? If you are...
Marriage, Maydays, and Making It: Tracy and Scott Stockinger
In Episode 52, we sat down with Scott Stockinger and his kids, who gave us an honest glimpse into what it’s like growing up with a firefighter dad. Today, Scott returns with his wife, Tracy, to discuss marriage, maydays, and how they’ve made it work through 28 years of shifts, stress, and sacrifice. From reentry struggles to trust, communication, and raising kids under pressure, this episode delves into the real-life dynamics of a first responder marriage. Â
Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Frontline Strong Together 5 Program. FST5 provides streamlined access to behavioral and me...
Dr. Arash Javanbakht: Trauma, Healing, & Hope
In this episode, Dr. Arash Javanbakht returns to explore the science of trauma, its impact on the brain and body, and innovative treatments like augmented reality exposure therapy. We break down the difference between stress and trauma, the risks of unresolved experiences, and practical strategies for healing—especially for first responders.
Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Frontline Strong Together 5 Program. FST5 provides streamlined access to behavioral and mental health services, as well as crisis resources for Michigan’s frontline workers and their families. NEED HELP NOW? If you are a fro...
Ryan Fessenden: 911 Dispatchers - Relentless and Unseen
For 25 years, Ryan Fessenden served as a 911 dispatcher for the City of Warren. Answering life-or-death calls from both strangers and loved ones. In this episode, he shares how a detour turned into a lifelong mission in public safety, the emotional weight dispatchers carry, and the moment a call involving his close friend and now co-host changed everything. Now retired, Ryan serves as Administrative Coordinator for the FST5 Program, connecting Michigan’s first responders and their families to the support they need.Â
Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Frontline Strong Together 5 Program. FST5 provi...
Dr. Vaibhav Diwadkar: Enhancing resilience under stress
In this episode, we welcome Dr. Vaibhav Diwadkar, professor of psychiatry and behavioral neurosciences at Wayne State University. Dr. Diwadkar worked directly with Wim Hof, the world-famous figure known for enduring extreme cold and pushing human limits. His research explored how the Wim Hof Method—combining breathwork, cold exposure, and focused mental training—impacts the brain. The findings show it improves emotional regulation, lowers anxiety, and reshapes how the brain responds to stress. This effect is known as a hormetic response: a controlled dose of stress that builds resilience over time. For first responders, this method offers a practical way...
Dr. Rebecca Sripada: First Responders and PTSD
In this episode, we welcome Dr. Rebecca Sripada, a leading clinical psychologist, researcher, and Associate Professor in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Michigan. Dr. Sripada is also a Research Scientist at the VA Center for Clinical Management Research and has spent over 20 years specializing in PTSD treatment and recovery. Her research focuses on improving access to effective PTSD treatments for veterans, first responders, and healthcare workers. Today, we dive into the PRIME Study, which stands for PTSD Recovery Implementation in Employee Assistance Programs. This study aims to bring effective PTSD treatment directly into Employee Assistance Programs (EA...
The Stockinger Family – Growing up with a firefighter father
In this episode, we sit down with Scott Stockinger, a professional firefighter and paramedic with the Dearborn Fire Department, and his two children, Cole and Amber. During the COVID lockdown, a conversation at home changed everything. Scott’s children opened up about their experiences growing up with a firefighter father, revealing fears, worries, and emotions he had never fully realized. This discussion provides a rare look into the unseen burdens carried by first responder families. The episode explores how a first responder’s career impacts their loved ones, when childhood admiration shifts to concern, and how parents in emergency servic...
Matt Dunaj: Rehab, Relapse, and Redemption
Detroit firefighter Matt Dunaj knows firsthand how the weight of life and the job can push someone to the brink. In August 2024, overwhelmed by stress and addiction, he sat alone in his basement, gun in hand, ready to end it all, until his Goldendoodle, Mia, interrupted him with a simple act of love that saved his life. That moment set him on a path to recovery, leading him to the IAFF Center of Excellence for help with his mental health and substance use. But healing wasn’t linear. Matt returned to rehab multiple times before finding stability. In this ep...
Dr. David Ledgerwood on Addiction, Trauma, and First Responders
In this episode, we welcome Dr. Dave Ledgerwood, a professor at Wayne State University and a clinical psychologist specializing in addiction. With over 25 years of experience, Dr. Ledgerwood breaks down how addiction, whether to nicotine, gambling, or other substances, affects the brain and why first responders are at higher risk. We explore the impact of trauma, shift work, and sleep deprivation, as well as the connection between PTSD and addiction. Dr. Ledgerwood also shares practical strategies for treatment and recovery, emphasizing the importance of peer support and available resources. This is a must-listen for anyone looking to understand the...