Underdressed

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By: Trudy Gardner

The podcast where we talk about the clothes under our clothes and exactly how they get made. I'll explore the art, practice and technical execution of intimate apparel in order to understand what happens behind the scenes in this industry and exactly how designers balance creativity with functionality, specifically as it pertains to our delicate yet hard-working base layers.

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E53 Stephie's Lingerie on DIY Kits, Deadstock Lace and the Hunt for Better Materials
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Stephanie Odoms got into lingerie the hard way. As a young mom, she couldn’t find a bra that fit, so she ordered a custom set on Etsy. It arrived badly made and fit worse. She fixed the band herself, then decided to learn to make her own. That decision became Stephie’s Lingerie, where she now sells custom-dyed DIY lingerie kits with a huge range of laces, power meshes, elastics and hardware to choose from.

In this episode we talk about:

Why she...


E52 - The Fairy Bra Mother: Beverly V Johnson - Part 3/3
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#52
09/23/2026

Grab yourself a sewing project and settle in! This podcast goes deep into the history of Beverly Johnson who shares stories from over 40 years of experience in bra making!


Find out more about Beverly and her current teaching here;


https://beverly-johnson.ca/


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E51 Sports Bra Science with Nichola Renwick - Senior Researcher in Bra and Breast Biomechanics
E51 Sports Bra Science with Nichola Renwick - Senior Researcher in Bra and Breast Biomechanics episode artwork
#51
06/22/2026

What Makes a Sports Bra Actually Work?


A conversation with Nicola, senior researcher in bra and breast biomechanics at the University of Portsmouth


In this episode, I speak with Nicola about the science behind sports bras, breast movement, and what actually contributes to support during activity.


Nicola works in breast and bra biomechanics, a field that looks at how breast tissue moves, how that movement changes during different activities, and how bras can help control that movement. We talk about why sports bras are...


E50 Elizabeth Hadley - Bumboo - Innovation in Sustainability for Intimates
E50 Elizabeth Hadley - Bumboo - Innovation in Sustainability for Intimates episode artwork
05/01/2026

For her brand Bumboo, Elizabeth uses a new sustainable fabric which utilizes bamboo applied a lyocell process. It's more sustainable than the previous way to process bamboo, which Elizabeth thoroughly explains.


E49 - The Fairy Bra Mother: Beverly V Johnson - Part 2/3
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#49
03/23/2026

Grab yourself a sewing project and settle in! This podcast goes deep into the history of Beverly Johnson who shares stories from over 40 years of experience in bra making!


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E48 - The Fairy Bra Mother: Beverly V Johnson - Part 1/3
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#48
01/31/2026

Grab yourself a sewing project and settle in! This podcast goes deep into the history of Beverly Johnson who shares stories from over 40 years of experience in bra making!


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E47 WTF Happened in 2025 with Sofia!
E47 WTF Happened in 2025 with Sofia! episode artwork
01/25/2026

Yearly catch up with one of my favourite people, Sofia Luzon!


E46 Eleanor Mooney Co-Founder Verdant Locally Produced Lingerie in New York
E46 Eleanor Mooney Co-Founder Verdant Locally Produced Lingerie in New York episode artwork
#43
11/29/2025

It was a pleasure to welcome Eleanor Mooney Co-Founder of Verdant a NYC based lingerie brand. We had a great conversation about starting a lingerie brand in NY and how the vision came to life.


https://verdant-nyc.com/


E45 Laetitia Dupuich - Lingerie and Swimwear Techincal Designer with a Side of AI
E45 Laetitia Dupuich - Lingerie and Swimwear Techincal Designer with a Side of AI episode artwork
#45
10/31/2025

Another fantastic episode sharing the story of Laetitia Dupuich's evolution as a lingerie designer. Laetitia found her calling while in Business School when she created a lingerie brand for an entrepreneurship course. Through a lot of hard work and grit Laetitia launched a brand, taught courses, freelanced and gained the skills which she applied to learning and using 3D and now continues to trail blaze applying her technical and creative knowledge in the advancement of AI.


Here is Laetitia's portfolio;

https://dandvconcept.com/


E44 Kimberly Hamilton - Expert Bra Fitter, Developer, Specialty Store Owner and My Personal All Around Bra Superhero
E44 Kimberly Hamilton - Expert Bra Fitter, Developer, Specialty Store Owner and My Personal All Around Bra Superhero episode artwork
09/16/2025

I could listen to this woman talk about bras all day! Kimberly Hamilton is basically a walking encyclopedia of bra knowledge, especially when we're talking about the full bust size range. Besides all that, Kim's story is incredibly inspiring, she has an uncanny breadth and depth of knowledge and experience garnered from decades of working in the industry in Canada and Europe. She's worked with both small retailers and large corporations like Lululemon, she's battled breast cancer, and she is now running her own boutique bra store providing individual bra fitting and access to great products in her store...


E43 Linda Crawford Custom Bra Maker and the Roots of Bra Making for Home Sewists
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08/30/2025

In this episode of Underdressed, I sit down with custom bra maker and teacher Linda Crawford. Linda shares her incredible journey from scuba diving instructor to becoming one of the most respected voices in bra making in Canada. We talk about her early days working alongside Beverly Johnson at Bra-Makers Supply, the birth of a bra making community, and what she’s learned from decades of fitting every kind of body. We also dive into why custom bra making is such a rare skill, how teaching has shaped her expertise, and how cultural shifts continue to influence lingerie design to...


E42 Monica of Bravo Bella on Learning as Empowerment
E42 Monica of Bravo Bella on Learning as Empowerment episode artwork
07/21/2025

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In this episode of Underdressed, we speak with Monica O’Rourke, founder of Bravo Bella and creator of the Bra Making Mentorship — a 10-month program designed to meet sewists where they are and guide them through the technical, creative, and often emotional journey of bra making.

Monica shares how her upbringing in a family-owned fabric store shaped her maker mindset from an early age, and how she later combined her background in teachi...


E41 Chloe Grant on Sustainable Intimate Apparel Design
E41 Chloe Grant on Sustainable Intimate Apparel Design episode artwork
06/06/2025

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Find Chloe here:

https://www.instagram.com/createdbychloegrant/

https://www.instagram.com/peopleoverproductmagazine/


In this episode of Underdressed, we speak with Chloe Grant, an intimate apparel designer dedicated to sustainability and ethical fashion practices. Chloe shares her journey from studying contour fashion at De Montfort University to launching her freelance career focused on environmentally-conscious ethically produced garments. The conversation explores the delicate balance designers face between making structured, supportive intimate apparel and minimizing long-term environmental impact.

Chloe discusses her approac...


E40 Maya Omrani On Preparing for the Future, Tariffs and Local Production in the Fasion Industry
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#40
05/23/2025

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So inspired by our guest Maya Omrani. Maya is the founder of Wear Lab offering product development and manufacturing based out of Vancouver, Canada. This was a refreshing and inspiring conversation which is so needed in these uncertain times.


E39 Suhani Pandya: Masters Graduate Contour Fashion Innovation
E39 Suhani Pandya: Masters Graduate Contour Fashion Innovation episode artwork
#39
02/14/2025

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In this episode of Underdressed, I chat with Suhani Pandya, a lingerie innovator with a Master of Science in Intimate Apparel Design. Suhani shares her research on underwire innovation, 3D scanning, and behavioural science to improve bra fit, particularly for full-bust women. We discuss the limitations of traditional grading, the role of SolidWorks and 3D printing in lingerie design and the future of 3D scanning for the consumer.


E38 2024 Wrapped With Sofia Luzon!
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#38
01/01/2025

This is my favourite episode of the year to make, and it gets more special as the years go by. Sofia, thank you for asking the right questions to help me find clarity and sharing this incredible journey. Happy 2025 to all my amazing listeners—thank you for your time, attention, and connection. I love you all!



E37 Ella Chisholm - The Fashion Freelance Coach
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11/08/2024

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Where to find Ella;

https://www.instagram.com/thefashionfreelancecoach/

https://www.thefashionfreelancecoach.com/


Links Mentioned;


You’re A Badass At Making Money, Jen Sincrco (affiliate link)

https://amzn.to/3NRKyUX


E36 Renata Black CoFounder and CEO of EBY on Profit, Purpose, and Women's Empowerment in the Intimate Apparel Industry
E36 Renata Black CoFounder and CEO of EBY on Profit, Purpose, and Women's Empowerment in the Intimate Apparel Industry episode artwork
#36
10/25/2024

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Renata’s story illustrates the intersection of fashion, empowerment, and technology. Through perseverance, smart business decisions, and innovative design, she has built a company that supports women physically, emotionally and financially.


Find out more about Eby here and check out some incredible 3D design here;

https://shop.join-eby.com/




E35 Dorelle McPherson thefashiotech
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09/19/2024

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Where to find Dorelle;

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheFashionTech

https://www.instagram.com/thefashionindie/


E34 Ben Sosinski on Interactive 3D Models with Embodee
E34 Ben Sosinski on Interactive 3D Models with Embodee episode artwork
09/06/2024

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Check out the models I show in the episode here;

https://www.embodee.app/u/1dXSi6

Embodee platform

https://www.embodee.com/



E33 Bianca and Sofia on Learning Clo3D for Intimates Quickly with Expert Guidance
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07/20/2024

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Sofia's Course

https://atelier.sofia-luzon.com/online-courses-lingerie-design/


E14 Natalie Graham A Career in Lingerie Design From South Africa To New Zealand

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/trudy-gardner/episodes/E14-Natalie-Graham-A-Career-in-Lingerie-Design-From-South-Africa-to-New-Zealand-e26n4em


Sew Heidi

https://successfulfashiondesigner.com/


Sofia’s YT Vid about avatars 

https://youtu.be/j22oh65_cVw?si=GGdhS0vBLEMty58o



E32 Ryan Amore Pattern Engineer on the Value of Continous Learning
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07/05/2024

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This episode features Ryan Amore, a brilliant pattern engineer and apparel developer with extensive experience across various garment types, including intimates! I had the pleasure of chatting with Ryan about his impressive career, the secrets behind honing his craft, how he's integrating new technologies, and his insights on the future of fashion.

https://ryanamoreinc.com/





E31 Nicole Holtan 3D Fashion Designer, Creative Problem Solver
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#31
06/21/2024

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Our next episode features Nicole Holtan, a talented 3D artist and fashion designer. Nicole shares how she built her career around 3D modeling and we also explore the benefits and challenges of using 3D technology today. We discuss the major differences between 3D and AI, and how their work often gets mixed up. Don't miss this fascinating conversation about creativity and innovation in the digital fashion space!

https://www.instagram.com/nicoleholtan3d/

https://www.nicoleholtan3d.com/



E30 Sarah McKelvey of Hugs For Your Jugs and Creator of the A Bra That Fits Calculator
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06/01/2024

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Enjoy my next episode with guest Sarah McKelevy of Hugs for Your Jugs! Sarah has been providing expert bra-making guidance across various communities and is the creator of the A Bra That Fits Calculator. Tune in to hear her insights and expertise!



https://hugsforyourjugs.blogspot.com/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ABraThatFits/

https://www.abrathatfits.org/calculator.php


E29 Jenny Rushmore of Cashmerette on Willowdale and Newly Released Loftus Bra Pattern
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#29
05/23/2024

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Our next episode of Underdressed is an interview I've been looking forward to for a long time with Jenny Rushmore of Cashmerette Patterns! I get into the details with Jenny about the creation of the Willowdale and Loftus bra patterns and we also explore the dynamic structure of her team and business. Enjoy!



E28 Elizabeth Bigger Computational Fashion Designer
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05/13/2024

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Hello Friends,


In this episode of Underdressed Elizabeth opens my mind to the world of computational patternmaking and generative garment development far beyond what I have explored in Clo3D.  I definitely still don’t understand the nuances of this process, but I’m very intrigued to learn more. 



E27 Reverse Interview, Sofa Interviews Trudy
E27 Reverse Interview, Sofa Interviews Trudy episode artwork
04/12/2024

I thought this would be a fun way to tell you a bit about myself, but of course it ends with Sofia and I just talking about Clo3D! Enjoy!


E26 Katy Schildmeyer Industry Expert on 3D Bodies
E26 Katy Schildmeyer Industry Expert on 3D Bodies episode artwork
#25
03/10/2024

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Hi Friends,

I hope you enjoy this conversation with Katy as much as I did. I'm super lucky to get to nerd out for more than an hour about 3D bodies, breasts and the implications on the future of the intimates industry.

As promised here are all the link's mentioned in the show;


Katherine Schildemyer

https://www.ksappareldesign.com/

Soft Body Demo on Youtubehttps://youtu.be/dR6lnclrKhM?si=QC8IXZx01gSuJAzC

...


E25 Brad and Terry Jamison Founders of Tensengral
E25 Brad and Terry Jamison Founders of Tensengral episode artwork
#25
02/24/2024

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Hello Friends,


In this episode we get a behind the scenes peek at Tensengral, a company developed by Brad and Terry Jamison. This is a unique couple who have used some very industrious skills to develop braided underwear from lace making machines.


https://www.tensengral.com/

https://lingeriebriefs.com/2024/01/14/innovation-sustainability-tensengrals-braided-lace-bralettes/



E24 Madison Alexandra Bra Fit Educator
E24 Madison Alexandra Bra Fit Educator episode artwork
#24
02/10/2024

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Hello Friends,


Please enjoy this beautiful conversation with Madison Alexandra who specializes in bra fit education. There is no point in talking about how bras are made without truly understanding exactly how they should fit. Madison talks about her experience as a fitter and educator, and of course shares her story about how she has found this corner of the internet where she can have an impact. Madison is also a crazy talented singer and has helped me gain some pers...


E23 Emerald Erin and Business Partner Mary (AKA Mom)
E23 Emerald Erin and Business Partner Mary (AKA Mom) episode artwork
01/27/2024

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In this episode I get the opportunity to sit down with Erin for part 2 of our conversation, and this time we invited her business partner Mary, to join in.  Erin and her mom have been running Emerald Erin for almost a decade and its clear their business is based on a mutual respect for eachother and high standards for the products and services they offer.  Come join the conversation and find out about what has been going on in the business since our last co...


E22 Steph Thiel on Perspective, Transition and the Beginning of 3D design at Adidas
E22 Steph Thiel on Perspective, Transition and the Beginning of 3D design at Adidas episode artwork
#22
01/13/2024

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In this episode I invite Steph Thiel to share her amazing story which covers a range of life experiences often revolving around the idea of helping others through self acceptance. Step talks about the evolution of her own independent pattern making business Rad Patterns, and her unique approach to sizing.

Steph also shares insights into her career as a designer and patternmaker, which started with a position at Adidas when they were first adopting 3D processes. Her journey evolves into a proce...


E21 Bringing Browzwear into the Mix with Expert Lisha Sanders and Sofia Luzon
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#21
01/05/2024

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In this podcast episode, I invite Sofia Luzon, and Lisha Sanders, to talk about the differences and similarities in Clo3D and Browzwear, the two current titans in leading 3D design in the fashion industry.


We cover various aspects, including the benefits of 3D design in reducing waste, improving sample accuracy, and enhancing creative freedom. We also address the challenges and limitations currently faced in 3D design and how these are expressed in each software.


<...


E20 2023 Wrapped with Sofia Luzon
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#20
12/23/2023

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Thanks to everyone who has joined me on the journey this year, it has been a pivotal and I'm beyond grateful for each and everyone of you who has chosen to spend a small piece of your precious time on this planet with me.


E16 Stephanie CEO of The Squad on Making Products That Improves People’s Lives
E16 Stephanie CEO of The Squad on Making Products That Improves People’s Lives episode artwork
#16
12/11/2023

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The Squad

https://www.thesquadnation.com/

 

Pheonix Active

https://www.shopphoenixactive.com/


E19 Christine Stoodley Custom Bra Maker: On Finding Purpose in Uplifting Others
E19 Christine Stoodley Custom Bra Maker: On Finding Purpose in Uplifting Others episode artwork
#19
11/27/2023

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Christine Stodley

https://www.instagram.com/blushbras/


Karen Weaver

https://michellescreations.ca/tag/mrs-weavers-finest-unmentionables/


Monica

https://bravobella.teachable.com/p/home


Maria Pendel , Dragon miss Corsetry and bra making


Beverly Johnson

https://www.braandcorsetsupplies.com/


Gina Rae designs


Jennifer...


E18 Helen of Nellie Jones: Bra-Making, Business Evolution and Community in New Zeland
E18 Helen of Nellie Jones: Bra-Making, Business Evolution and Community in New Zeland episode artwork
#19
11/19/2023

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In the "Unaddressed" podcast, host Trudy Gardner interviews Helen from Nellie Jones, a bra-making supply company. Key points discussed include:

Origin and Evolution of Nellie Jones: Helen shares the story behind Nellie Jones, initially founded by another individual and later transformed into a full-time business under Helen's direction.

Challenges and Solutions in Material Sourcing: Helen discusses the complexities of sourcing quality, ethical materials for bra-making, emphasizing the importance of this process for her business's integrity and prod...


E17 Asi Efros: Resilience and the Past and Future of the Lingerie Industry
E17 Asi Efros: Resilience and the Past and Future of the Lingerie Industry episode artwork
#17
10/15/2023

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Asi Efros Youtube Channel

https://www.youtube.com/@asiefros4797


Lab Grown Chicken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08nHuUbt8SQ&t=859s


Free Workshop: Intimate Conversations in Clo

https://learn.kndrsn.com/intimate-conversations-in-clo


Clo3D Foundations for Intimate Apparel Online Course

https://trudy-gardner-s-school.teachable.com/p/clo3d-intimate-apparel-fast-track-foundations





E15 Sue Founder of Bra Builders and Curator of The International Bra Sewing Bee
E15 Sue Founder of Bra Builders and Curator of The International Bra Sewing Bee episode artwork
#15
07/18/2023

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E15 Sue Founder of Bra Builders and Curator of The International Bra Sewing Bee Show Notes

https://www.brabuilders.com

https://brasewingbee.com/

 

Bravo Bella (Monica)

https://bravobellabras.com/


E14 Natalie Graham A Career in Lingerie Design From South Africa to New Zealand
E14 Natalie Graham A Career in Lingerie Design From South Africa to New Zealand episode artwork
#14
07/08/2023

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Natalie's Instagram


Bra Sewing Bee

https://brasewingbee.com/

 

Interfiliere/Curve Trade Shows

https://saloninternationaldelalingerie.com/

 

Concepts Paris Trends Magazine

https://www.conceptsparis.com/

 

Best of Intima – Magazine with some good articles about the use of 3D Design in the industry.

https://www.calameo.com/read/001038217555c84a6fa8c?authid=Ay48gDijphgq