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A podcast for post and nuanced Mormons seeking a joyful life as they navigate their faith journey outside of orthodox Mormonism. Donate to Mormonish Podcast here: https://www.mormonishpodcast.org/support
Left Mormonism and Wondering What Now? You Need the MoNomo App
You’ve left Mormonism… now what? Finding your people and building a new community can feel overwhelming, but our guest, Corrick Knight, hopes to make it easier—and a lot more fun—with the MoNoMo app! On this episode of Mormonish, we talk with Corrick Knight about the one-stop resource he created to help post-Mormons connect, explore, and build fulfilling lives after leaving the LDS church. MoNoMo brings together news, helpful resources, local and online groups, events, and opportunities to make new friends. With spaces to network, discuss, journal, and even vent, its engaging design puts you at the center o...
Ep362: Is America a Christian Nation? Reinterpreting History Through The Lens of Mormonism
Mormonish and The Good Book Club are joined by the wonderful Matthew Harris to discuss his book "The Founding Fathers and the Debate over Religion in Revolutionary America" co-authored with Thomas S. Kidd.) Our discussion explores whether America was built as a secular republic or a Christian nation. Matt's book shows the Founders' beliefs varied widely. Some were skeptics like Thomas Paine, while others were traditional Christians like Patrick Henry. Despite these differences, most rallied around core religious principles such as: Human Equality: The belief that people were created equal.Religious Liberty: The separation of church and state, requiring...
Is America a Christian Nation? Reinterpreting History Through The Lens of Mormonism w/ Matthew Harris
Mormonish and The Good Book Club are joined by the wonderful Matthew Harris to discuss his book "The Founding Fathers and the Debate over Religion in Revolutionary America" co-authored with Thomas S. Kidd.) Our discussion explores whether America was built as a secular republic or a Christian nation. Matt's book shows the Founders' beliefs varied widely. Some were skeptics like Thomas Paine, while others were traditional Christians like Patrick Henry. Despite these differences, most rallied around core religious principles such as: Human Equality: The belief that people were created equal.Religious Liberty: The separation of church and state, requiring...
Ep361: Do Mormons Celebrate Halloween? With Lila Tueller
Can Mormons celebrate Halloween? It depends on who you ask! On this episode of Mormonish Podcast, Rebecca and Landon are joined by the wonderful Lila Tueller to explore LDS Halloween traditions and the dos and don’ts of this delightfully terrifying holiday from an LDS perspective. From ward parties and trunk-or-treats to witch costumes and spooky decorations, Halloween offers plenty of opportunities for fun—and some interesting questions about where to draw the line. When does a harmless scare become an invitation to something sinister? Why do some families embrace the holiday while others approach it with caution? And who...
Ep360: Mormon Ghost Stories
What goes bump in the night in Mormon history? And why do stories of spirits, mysterious encounters, and messages from beyond continue to fascinate us? Join us for a special Halloween episode of Mormonish Podcast as we explore spooky stories from Mormon history alongside ghost stories submitted by our social media community. From encounters with departed loved ones to experiences that are a little harder to explain, these stories offer a glimpse into the mysterious side of Mormon belief and culture. We also talk about why people tell ghost stories in the first place. They can bring us together...
Ep359: Data Center Built Over Book of Mormon Witnesses' Graves and Zelph Bone?
Could a new data center put an important piece of Mormon history at risk? On this episode of Mormonish, John Hajicek and Ron Yorgason join us to explore John’s research into the historic Arthur plantation property near Liberty, Missouri, where a data center development raises questions about preserving the past. John shares his findings connecting the property to early Mormon history, Book of Mormon witness graves, and accounts of a reburied bone attributed to Zelph. We discuss the evidence, what remains uncertain, and what could be lost if these historical connections are overlooked. Will the LDS Church weigh in...
Ep358: New Support Group for Post Mormon Parents of LDS Missionaries
In this episode, Ron Yorgason and Sarah Smith join Mormonish to discuss the Facebook support group they’ve started for parents who have stepped away from Mormonism while their children are serving—or preparing to serve—LDS missions. The group offers a place for post-Mormon parents to connect, share experiences, and talk through the challenges of navigating faith differences between themselves and their children. Many of these parents raised their children in Mormonism and encouraged them to want to serve missions, but later stepped away from the faith themselves. The group can also offer practical advice for situations that may ar...
Ep257: First Americans Museum Returns LDS Church's 2 Million Dollar Donation
A $2 million donation—and a quiet return. With the LDS Church now donating $3 million to the National Juneteenth Museum in Fort Worth, TX, we’re revisiting our episode about the First Americans Museum’s decision to return the church’s $2 million gift. The LDS church also previously donated $2 million to the International African American Museum in South Carolina. The common thread? Each museum partnership includes a FamilySearch genealogy center, connecting the church’s financial support with a presence inside institutions dedicated to preserving Black and Indigenous history. Genealogy can help visitors reclaim family stories, but FamilySearch is also operated by the LDS...
Ep356: Mormonism's Top 40 Thought Stopping Phrases
“When the prophet speaks, the conversation is over.” “Follow the brethren.” “It’s wrong to criticize leaders, even if the criticism is true.” “This will all be sorted out in the next life.” “Doubt your doubts.” Sound familiar? Mormonish welcomes Unoriginal Jim to explore 40 thought-stopping phrases in Mormonism—and how they can shut down critical thinking and meaningful conversations. A thought-stopping phrase is a short, familiar saying used to dismiss questioning, doubt, or further discussion rather than address the issue itself. Steven Hassan discusses this technique in his work on undue influence and how it discourages independent thinking. We’ll unpack these familiar p...
Ep355: Is Sidney Rigdon’s Personal Theology the Book of Mormon's Theology?
In Episode 10 of this series, Patrick presents the final, and strongest, set of textual clues that point to the Book of Mormon’s author. First, he reviews the claim that the theology in the text is the result of early Joseph Smith Sr exposure with the “seeker” movement. Next, he demonstrates that two phrases from the regional dialect of the Ohio/western Pennsylvania area (where Rigdon grew up) appeared frequently in the original text of the book. Patrick then leverages a recent Mormonism Live episode that reviews Rob Terry’s online article describing the dozens of obscure 19th century non-Bibl...
Ep354: Why We Fall for Mass Movements: The True Believer Explained
What makes people willing to surrender their individuality to a cause, a movement, or a group—and why can belonging become so powerful? In this episode of Mormonish Podcast, Rebecca and Landon are joined by Cameron Stringham and Kendel Christensen to discuss Eric Hoffer’s classic book The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements through the lens of Mormonism. Hoffer explores why people are drawn to mass movements, what makes someone a “true believer,” and how movements create powerful feelings of identity, purpose, certainty, sacrifice, and belonging. Together, we examine how these ideas can help us understa...
Ep353: Book of Mormon Textual Anomalies and Stylistic Drift
In Episode 9 of this series, Patrick presents the third set of textual clues that point to the Book of Mormon’s author. First he reviews the likely causes that led to the many anomalies that show up in the second half of the Book of Mormon dictation, like the loss of the first 116 pages of text, changes in location and scribes, and the ongoing development of points of doctrine. Many students of Book of Mormon authorship, chalk up the late variation in the text as simply “stylistic drift”. But what actually is “stylistic drift”? Patrick reviews the definitions and common exa...
Ep352: Come Follow Me 2027: What's In and What's Out Might Surprise You
What’s changed in the 2027 Come, Follow Me New Testament manual—and what might those changes tell us about the direction of the LDS Church? In this episode, we’re joined by John Sobczak, a faithful member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who has done a detailed comparison of the new 2027 Come, Follow Me manual with the previous New Testament curriculum. John walks us through what’s been added, what’s been removed, and what’s been reframed or emphasized differently. Some of the changes may seem small at first, but taken together, they reveal some fascina...
Ep351:Unique framework & textual clues point to a Book of Mormon ur-text, question sole authorship
In Episode 8 of this series, Patrick presents the second set of textual clues that point to the Book of Mormon’s author. First he reviews evidence for an ur-text or underlying text of the Book of Mormon. This section includes discussion of many themes and stories from the Bible that are reworked in a sophisticated way in the Book of Mormon. A prime example is the reworking of the narrative on Melchizedek in Hebrews 7 in Alma 13 of the Book of Mormon. The specific reworking points to an author with a deep knowledge of the Bible, one with a careful ey...
Ep350: Letters to a Young Ex Mormon w/ Madison Daniels
What happens after you leave Mormonism? In this episode of Mormonish Podcast, we sit down with Madison Daniels, author of Letters to a Young Ex-Mormon: A Field Guide for Moving On, for a thoughtful conversation about navigating life after a faith transition. Madison shares some of his own personal history, what his journey out of Mormonism looked like, and what ultimately inspired him to write this book. We also talk about what he hopes the book can offer people who find themselves rebuilding their lives outside of the LDS Church. Letters to a Young Ex-Mormon isn’t a book ab...
Ep349: What Are The Real LDS Temple Attendance Numbers: New Site Crunches the Data
What are the real LDS temple attendance numbers—and how close to capacity are temples actually operating? In this episode, we’re joined by Clint Kimball and Ron Yogason to explore groundbreaking new temple-attendance data from FullerConsideration.com. The website—already home to the Temple Name Oracle, Patriarchal Blessing Revelator, and LDS Unit Closure Tracker—is now estimating temple activity, including how many living and proxy endowments are performed each day and how closely individual temples are operating to capacity. The LDS Church stopped publicly reporting temple attendance figures in 1985, making this information difficult to obtain. What can these new esti...
Ep348: Temple Square Open House Corresponds With Leaked Jesus Land Plans
In this episode of Mormonish Podcast, we take a closer look at the dramatic changes unfolding at Temple Square and ask: Are we watching the leaked “Jesus Land” plans come to life? The Church’s newly announced Temple Square experiences place an unmistakable emphasis on Jesus Christ, while redesigned spaces and exhibits are intended to make Temple Square easier for visitors to navigate and to better explain what happens inside Latter-day Saint temples. Church leaders themselves have described Jesus Christ as the central focus of the new visitor experience. We’re joined by Ron Yorgason and Unoriginal Jim to revisit...
Ep347: Mormon Stories & Deseret IPA: Is There Really Brand Confusion?
What does a Utah craft beer have to do with the LDS Church’s lawsuit against Mormon Stories? More than you might think. In this episode, we revisit a previous Mormonish Podcast story about Bewilder Brewing and its Deseret IPA. The brewery was challenged by the LDS church over its use of the name “Deseret,” with trademark concerns ultimately leading to the beer being discontinued. Now, with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints suing Mormon Stories Podcast and John Dehlin, we’re taking another look at the Deseret IPA dispute through a new lens. The Church says its Morm...
Ep346: LDS Growth Over the Last 25 Years: The Real Story
A recent Church News article highlighted 25 years of LDS Church membership growth across the United States—but what do those numbers really tell us? In this episode, we’re joined by Ron Yorgason to dig beneath the headline percentages and take a closer look at the statistics. Which states are actually growing, what factors are driving those numbers, and does reported membership growth necessarily mean more active Latter-day Saints? We break down the data to uncover the real story behind 25 years of LDS growth.
Episode 345: Textual complexity clues point to Book of Mormon authorship
In Episode 7 of this series, Patrick begins by responding to recent listener feedback. He documents the many ways that post Mormons believe in conspiracy theories! Or better stated—collaborations or “constructed experiences” in early Mormon history. Patrick then responds to claims that stylometry is “junk science”. He compares this claim to early claims that DNA population studies and the Book of Mormon peoples were labeled in the same way. He demonstrates many cases of unknown authorship of a text being solved by stylometry. Further, he demonstrates how stylometry, well done, meets the high bar of being admitted as evidence in court c...
Ep344: Ex Mormon The Musical: Meet the Creators John and Rachelle Moyer
In this episode, we sit down with John and Rachelle Moyer, the creative team behind the new project Ex Mormon: The Musical, for a fascinating conversation about faith, humor, music, and the complicated journey of religious deconstruction. John and Rachelle share their backgrounds and personal faith journeys, what inspired them to create a musical soundtrack about the ex-Mormon experience, and why humor can be such a powerful tool for processing experiences that are anything but funny. We also dive into the songs themselves, exploring the stories and meaning behind the music and how the soundtrack captures different aspects of...
Ep343: More Wordprint Study Analysis; More Surprising Results
In Episode 6 of this series, Patrick begins by responding to recent listener feedback. He addresses the often-committed logical fallacy of thinking that the lack of “better” evidence for an early connection between Joseph and Sidney Rigdon is proof they didn’t meet at all. Patrick then reports recent findings that demonstrate the church is still refusing to make public the records that document 3 key points in Rigdon’s life, where he would have been motivated to “spill the beans” on the church! Could it have been related to polygamy? That seems unlikely now—at a time when the church has admitted t...
Mormonish Does Vegas w/Dr. Randy Bell
Mormonish Podcast hits Las Vegas with Dr. Randall Bell for a weekend of magic, illusion, mentalism, and misdirection. But this wasn’t just for entertainment—we wanted to see these techniques in action and explore how performers capture attention, influence an audience, create a sense of wonder, and convince people they’ve witnessed something impossible. Then we turn the lens on early Mormonism. From seer stones and treasure seeking to supernatural claims and charismatic storytelling, we explore whether Joseph Smith may have employed some of the same principles of misdirection, suggestion, audience management, and psychological influence that magicians have used f...
Ep341: The Real Story Behind LDS Missionary Ads
We've all seen the increasing number of ads from LDS missionaries on social media. You know, the ones that don't mention they are from the LDS church until you find yourself filling out a contact form. The ads that ask if you're lonely, or having a hard time, or want a friend to take you to church, or invite you to wipe away your sins with baptism. Mormonish is joined by former LDS missionary ad specialist Julianna Lane to shine a spotlight on the secret world of LDS missionary advertising. There's been a lot of discussion and interest recently...
Ep340: The Mormon Graveyard: What's Been Put to Rest and Why
Over nearly two centuries, Mormonism has changed in ways both large and small. Doctrines once taught with conviction, policies once defended as divinely inspired, and practices once considered essential have quietly—or sometimes dramatically—been left behind.
In this episode, we explore The Mormon Graveyard, a website that catalogs the beliefs, teachings, policies, terminology, and practices the LDS Church no longer embraces or follows. From polygamy and the racial priesthood and temple ban to changing temple ceremonies, abandoned truth claims, and evolving teachings, we examine what has been “buried” and what those changes tell us about the evolutio...
Ep339: Two Top Book of Mormon Word Print Studies Demonstrate Multiple Authors: What Does This Mean?
In Episode 5 of this series, Patrick begins by responding to a recent podcast episode illustrating twenty 19th century non-Biblical phrases that are found in the Book of Mormon. These phrases point to a non-ancient text. But do they point to Joseph as the author? Or better yet, to Rigdon? Patrick then addresses the question of conspiracies in early Mormon history! Are we conspiracy theorists and we don't even know it? After a brief review of the first four Book of Mormon wordprint studies presented in prior episodes, we move on to the heart of this episode which focuses on...
Ep338: Joseph's Pet Rock: The Seer Stone That Started It All w/ Ganesh Cherian
Joseph's Pet Rock" may be a tongue-in-cheek title, but behind the humor lies one of the most important—and fascinating—objects in early Mormon history. Long before the publication of the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith used a small seer stone while participating in treasure-seeking activities in upstate New York. Over time, that same stone became closely associated with some of the most significant events of the Restoration. In this episode, we explore the history of Joseph Smith's seer stone, its role in early Mormonism, and why it remains such a controversial and misunderstood artifact. How did a stone once...
Ep337: Holy Disobedience: Where Seventh Day Adventism and Mormonism Intersect
What was it like growing up as a girl in Mormonism? What about in Seventh-day Adventism? You might be surprised by how much these two very different religions have in common. In this episode, Melissa Duge Spiers joins Mormonish for an honest conversation about purity culture, modesty, dating, shame, and the expectations placed on women in our respective faith traditions. Melissa shares her experiences growing up Seventh-day Adventist, while I reflect on my own upbringing in the LDS Church. Along the way, we discover striking similarities in the messages we received about our bodies, our worth, and what it...
Ep336: Green Eggs & Ham: An Ancient Temple Text
Can Green Eggs and Ham really be read as an ancient temple text? Dr. John Lundwall takes on that challenge—using the very same interpretive methods often employed by LDS apologists to argue for ancient origins in the Book of Mormon. By intentionally applying those techniques to Dr. Seuss’s Green Eggs and Ham, Dr. Lundwall demonstrates how flexible assumptions, selective parallels, and creative pattern-finding can make almost any text appear to support an ancient religious narrative. This episode isn’t an argument that Green Eggs and Ham is actually ancient. Instead, it’s a thought-provoking exploration of methodology: How do w...
Ep335: The Religious Mythology of America's Founding /with author Warren Throckmorton
Growing up in the LDS church, we experienced a lot of mythologized history. A lot of this was tied to the founding fathers and the origins of America. We heard stories about Moroni appearing to Christopher Columbus and George Washington. Mythology narratives about Washington’s prayer or the founding fathers appearing to Wilford Woodruff at the temple. All of these ideas were narratives designed to push a very specific idea of American identity and Mormonism’s place inside that identity, many of these ideas are directly tied to ideas of Christian nationalism. Promoted by people like a Benson, Skousen, Tim...
Ep334: Secrets of the Temple Name Oracle, And More!
Have you always wondered who is behind the Temple Name Oracle? After experiencing cognitive dissonance from his mission in 2003 and discovering the truth about LDS church history in 2010 from a simple Google search, Clint Kimball experienced the sudden loss of his entire social support structure and began reconstructing his belief system by collecting a trove of facts. This led to the creation of his website, Fuller Consideration, a repository of information used by researchers around the world. Join Mormonish as we take a fascinating deep dive into the creation and impact of some of his notable projects, including: Better...
Ep333: More Intriguing Information on Book of Mormon Authorship from BYU Word Print Studies
In Episode 3 of this series, Patrick begins by responding to excellent audience feedback on the overview of stylometry; he presents a chart that shows when in the Book of Mormon each anomaly first appears. He then reviews the usable Book of Mormon wordprint study from Episode 3. The heart of this episode focuses on the first two wordprint studies, both from BYU academics. Patrick explains how the authors of these first two studies make the clear claim that their studies show—in two different types of analysis each—that there are multiple authors of the Book of Mormon! The second of t...
Ep332: Myth and Religion Re-examined w/Dr. John Lundwall
In this special Mormonish/ The Good Book Club episode, we sit down with Dr. John Lundwall to discuss his thought-provoking book Mythos and Cosmos and explore what its ideas might mean when viewed through the lens of Mormonism. Drawing on comparative religion, oral tradition, mythology, and the development of sacred narratives, Lundwall challenges readers to think differently about how ancient religious texts emerge, evolve, and function within believing communities. Together, we examine some of the book's most intriguing arguments and consider their implications for Latter-day Saint scripture, history, and religious identity. How do oral cultures preserve and transmit sacred...
Ep331: New Nauvoo Visitors' Center: Same Old Playbook
On this episode of Mormonish Podcast, Rebecca and Landon delve into the LDS church's rocky relationship with the town of Nauvoo and learn not much has changed in almost two centuries. In a scenario that will sound familiar to everyone who follows LDS temple building with Mormonish, the tactics used by the church to push through a new temple visitors' center follow the same playbook. This episode was originally aired on August 13, 2024 and we are re-airing it because the Nauvoo Visitors' Center was dedicated last week. Let's see where it all started. Thank you so much for watching Mormonish...
Ep330: Was Joseph Smith the Sole Author of The Book of Mormon? w/ Ganesh Cherian
Mormonish welcomes author Ganesh Cherian, whose book Joseph Smith: The Architect of Mormonism: A Topical Biography examines Joseph Smith’s role in shaping Mormon theology and belief. Together we explore evidence for Joseph Smith’s authorship of the Book of Mormon, the influences that may have shaped the text, and what this debate tells us about the origins of Mormonism. Join us for a thought-provoking discussion on one of the most important questions in Mormon history.
Ep329: Do The 8 Book of Mormon Word Print Studies Prove Multiple Authorship (Episode 3)
In Episode 3 of this series, Patrick begins by responding to excellent audience feedback on the 3-Voice Framework from Episode 2. He then highlights a recent Mormonism Live episode that makes a compelling case for the Book of Mormon as a 19th-century text, pointing to 34 doctrines from the early 1800s. But many of those doctrines appear directly connected to debates within Campbellism in Ohio and Pennsylvania—debates Sidney Rigdon was having with Alexander Campbell and Walter Scott. Should that raise new questions about Book of Mormon authorship? A future episode will explore the Campbellism connection more deeply. The heart of this ep...
Ep328: The Truth About President Oaks' Missionary Stats
Tune in to Mormonish Podcast on Tuesday, June 23rd at 6 pm MT! President Dallin H. Oaks recently declared that the Church will soon have more missionaries than at any point in its history. But what do those numbers actually mean? This episode takes a closer look at the Church’s missionary statistics, the impact of lowering the missionary age for young women, and the growing role of service and senior missionaries in the overall count. We also examine how today’s numbers compare with previous missionary surges, what metrics are being emphasized, and whether record missionary totals necessarily translate into...
Ep327: The 3-Voice Framework of the Book of Mormon (Episode 2)
Episode 2: The 3-Voice Framework of the Book of Mormon
In this episode of our continuing series on Book of Mormon authorship theories, Patrick lays the groundwork for understanding how the Book or Mormon is constructed, which is an essential part of considering the Book of Mormon authorship theories. In this episode we consider Rob Terry's work. Data Scientist Rob Terry utilized the BYU Book of Mormon text database to deconstruct the structure of the Book of Mormon. He demonstrates in this Wheat and Tares article https://wheatandtares.org/2020/04/23/book-of-mormon-wordprint-studies-in-2020/ how the Book of Mormon has 3 discrete “voices”. Firs...
Ep327: The 3-Voice Framework of the Book of Mormon (Episode 2)
In this episode of our continuing series on Book of Mormon authorship theories, Patrick lays the groundwork for understanding how the Book or Mormon is constructed, which is an essential part of considering the Book of Mormon authorship theories. In this episode we consider Rob Terry's work. Data Scientist Rob Terry utilized the BYU Book of Mormon text database to deconstruct the structure of the Book of Mormon. He demonstrates in this Wheat and Tares article https://wheatandtares.org/2020/04/23/book-of-mormon-wordprint-studies-in-2020/ how the Book of Mormon has 3 discrete “voices”. First, the Narrator Voice. This voice contains many attributes that are cons...
Ep326: Why We Think What We Think and Do What We Do
Why is it so hard to admit we're wrong? In this episode, Mormonish dives into the fascinating and often uncomfortable ideas presented in Mistakes Were Made (But Not by Me) by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson. This popular book explores the powerful psychological mechanisms of self-justification, cognitive dissonance, and the stories we tell ourselves to protect our beliefs, decisions, and identities—even when the evidence suggests we may have gotten things wrong. With our guests Kendel Christensen and Cameron Stringham, we discuss how these insights apply to everyday life, relationships, politics, religion, and personal growth. Why do people double do...