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By: Mike Rubio, BCBA & Dan Lowery, BCBA (co-Hosts) & Suzanne Juzwik, BCBA (Producer)

The ABA podcast, crafted for BCBAs, RBTs, OBMers, and ABA therapy business owners, that serves up Applied Behavior Analysis with a twist!A podcast for BCBAs, RBTs, fieldwork trainees, related service professionals, parents, and ABA therapy business ownersTaking Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) beyond the laboratory and straight into real-world applications, ABA on Tap is the BCBA podcast that breaks down behavior science into engaging, easy-to-digest discussions. Hosted by Mike Rubio (BCBA), Dan Lowery (BCBA), and Suzanne Juzwik (BCBA, OBM expert), this ABA podcast explores everything from Behavior Analysis, BT and RBT training, BCBA supervision, the BACB, fieldwork supervision, Functional Behavior A...

DEI, OBM and ABA with Portia James, BCBA (Part I)
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ABA on Tap is so proud to spend some time with the illustrious Portia James. (Part 1 of 2)

As a visionary, a powerhouse of a leader, and a pioneer for women and people of color in her field, Portia James has been shaking conference room tables for nearly two decades. She shares bold perspectives on the lack of representation for black leadership in the workplace and how it impacts decision-making and strategic execution at the executive level. She is one of few Behavior Analysts to have been featured in both Forbes and...


Transforming Applied Behavior Analysis Through AI-Powered Tools with Adam Ventura (Part II)
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06/08/2025

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ABA on Tap is proud to present Mr. Adam Ventura. (Part 2 of 2)

Adam Ventura, MS, BCBA, is a leader in the integration of artificial intelligence and behavior science. He is the Founder and CEO of Intraverbal AI, a company dedicated to transforming applied behavior analysis (ABA) through AI-powered tools that support ethical decision-making, supervision, and clinical efficiency. Adam's current focus is on leveraging technology to make data-driven insights and innovative systems more accessible to behavior analysts across settings. A graduate of Florida International University (FIU) and a long-standing adjunct professor, Adam...


Transforming Applied Behavior Analysis Through AI-Powered Tools with Adam Ventura (Part I)
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06/01/2025

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ABA on Tap is proud to present Mr. Adam Ventura. (Part 1 of 2)

Adam Ventura, MS, BCBA, is a leader in the integration of artificial intelligence and behavior science. He is the Founder and CEO of Intraverbal AI, a company dedicated to transforming applied behavior analysis (ABA) through AI-powered tools that support ethical decision-making, supervision, and clinical efficiency. Adam's current focus is on leveraging technology to make data-driven insights and innovative systems more accessible to behavior analysts across settings. A graduate of Florida International University (FIU) and a long-standing adjunct professor, Adam...


Standard Celebration & Acceptance and Commitment with Dr. Scott O'Donnell (Part II)
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05/25/2025

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ABA on Tap is proud to present Dr. Scott O'Donnell. (Part 2 of 2)

Dr. O’Donnell earned a bachelor’s in Psychology minoring in Cognitive Neuroscience under the mentorship of Dr. Philip Hineline at Temple University where he assisted in conducting an experimental analysis of behavior with rats and pigeons. 

Dr. O’Donnell began working with adults with autism and intellectual disabilities in 2013, youth with autism and intellectual disabilities in 2015, and received his registered behavior technician credential in 2016 working for multiple companies providing autism services. Dr. O’Donnell earned his masters i...


Standard Celeration & Acceptance and Commitment with Dr. Scott O'Donnell (Part I)
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05/18/2025

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ABA on Tap is proud to present Dr. Scott O'Donnell. (Part 1 of 2)

Dr. O’Donnell earned a bachelor’s in Psychology minoring in Cognitive Neuroscience under the mentorship of Dr. Philip Hineline at Temple University where he assisted in conducting an experimental analysis of behavior with rats and pigeons. 

Dr. O’Donnell began working with adults with autism and intellectual disabilities in 2013, youth with autism and intellectual disabilities in 2015, and received his registered behavior technician credential in 2016 working for multiple companies providing autism services. Dr. O’Donnell earned his masters i...


Feeding, Eating and Meal Time Behavior with Dena Kelly Part II
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05/11/2025

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ABA on Tap is proud to present an interview with Dena Kelly. (Part II)

Dena Kelly, LPC, BCBA, LBS is a Licensed Professional Counselor and Board Certified Behavior Analyst with over 15 years of experience improving children’s eating behavior and quality of life through evidence-based interventions. Founder of Focused Approach, Dena develops ABA-based feeding programs and trains professionals and caregivers nationwide. She has presented at major conferences such as ABAI and FABA and continues to advance the field through education and advocacy. Dena has led feeding programs in both clinical and mu...


Feeding, Eating and Meal Time Behavior with Dena Kelly Part I
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05/04/2025

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ABA on Tap is proud to present an interview with Dena Kelly. (Part I)

Dena Kelly, LPC, BCBA, LBS is a Licensed Professional Counselor and Board Certified Behavior Analyst with over 15 years of experience improving children’s eating behavior and quality of life through evidence-based interventions. Founder of Focused Approach, Dena develops ABA-based feeding programs and trains professionals and caregivers nationwide. She has presented at major conferences such as ABAI and FABA and continues to advance the field through education and advocacy. Dena has led feeding programs in both clinical and mu...


Applied Behavior Analysis and Early Childhood Development with Maggie Haraburda, Part II
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04/27/2025

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ABA on Tap is proud to spend some time with Maggie Haraburda, founder and director of Unfurling Littles, a unique treatment center combining ABA with best practices in Early Childhood Education.  

Neurodiversity Affirming and rooted in compassionate care; this center takes an approach to supporting children of all neurotypes that is play-based and child-led. Unfurling Littles was created out of a desire to do better for neurodivergent children and create a model of Applied Behavioral Analysis (ABA) that is not implicated in causing harm. Maggie believes that  "Th...


Applied Behavior Analysis and Early Childhood Development with Maggie Haraburda, Part I
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04/20/2025

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ABA on Tap is proud to spend some time with Maggie Haraburda, founder and director of Unfurling Littles, a unique treatment center combining ABA with best practices in Early Childhood Education.  

Neurodiversity Affirming and rooted in compassionate care; this center takes an approach to supporting children of all neurotypes that is play-based and child-led. Unfurling Littles was created out of a desire to do better for neurodivergent children and create a model of Applied Behavioral Analysis (ABA) that is not implicated in causing harm. Maggie believes that  "Th...


The Autistic Behavior Analyst: Michelle Zeman and Safe Space Applied Behavior Analysis Part II
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04/13/2025

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(Part 2 of 2)--ABA on Tap is proud to pour Michelle Zeman's brew. Michelle is known to the world as 'The Autistic Behavior Analyst' and she is the proud, and esteemed host of 'Safe Space--The ABA Podcast.' 

Michelle has experience in everything any BCBA is well versed in, except she also has the personal experience. She discusses her early intervention prior to insurance mandates for autism treatment Michelle experienced a treatment model largely based on 'parent training' She took her early experiences to college and ultimately decided to work in Applied B...


The Autistic Behavior Analyst: Michelle Zeman and Safe Space Applied Behavior Analysis Part I
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04/06/2025

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(Part 1 of 2)--ABA on Tap is proud to pour Michelle Zeman's brew. Michelle is known to the world as 'The Autistic Behavior Analyst' and she is the proud, and esteemed host of 'Safe Space--The ABA Podcast.' 

Michelle has experience in everything any BCBA is well versed in, except she also has the personal experience. She discusses her early intervention prior to insurance mandates for autism treatment Michelle experienced a treatment model largely based on 'parent training' She took her early experiences to college and ultimately decided to work in Applied B...


IDEA, IEPs and ABA with Matthew Storey, Esq. Part II
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03/30/2025

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ABA on Tap is proud to present Matthew Storey, Esq. (Part 2 of 2)

Matt became a special education attorney because he saw firsthand the struggles his family went through navigating the education system. Matt's goal has always been to put parents on equal footing with schools and provide effective representation. 

In this episode, we discuss all matters from procedural rights, to the intent of IDEA from its origin, to the current state of affairs. Matt shares his very up close and personal experience with the notion of disability and adds h...


IDEA, IEPs and ABA with Matthew Storey, Esq. Part I
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03/23/2025

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ABA on Tap is proud to present Matthew Storey, Esq. (Part 1 of 2)

Matt became a special education attorney because he saw firsthand the struggles his family went through navigating the education system. Matt's goal has always been to put parents on equal footing with schools and provide effective representation. 

In this episode, we discuss all matters from procedural rights, to the intent of IDEA from its origin, to the current state of affairs. Matt shares his very up close and personal experience with the notion of disability and adds h...


🚀 Mastering ABA Business & Technology: Practice Management, Data Collection, & Growth Strategies with Suzanne Juzwik, BCBA | ABA on Tap (Part II)
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03/16/2025

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The landscape of Applied Behavior Analysis has transformed dramatically over the last decade—from how we collect data to how we run our businesses. In this illuminating conversation, Dan and Mike welcome Suzanne Juzwick, BCBA and founder of Innovation Moon, who shares her unique perspective on the technological evolution reshaping our field.

Suzanne's journey from special education teacher to ABA technology consultant offers a fascinating window into how the profession has grown. After witnessing the significant impact of ABA in her classroom, she pursued more education and her board certification,  and eve...


🚀 Mastering ABA Business & Technology: Practice Management, Data Collection, & Growth Strategies with Suzanne Juzwik, BCBA | ABA on Tap (Part I)
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03/09/2025

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The field of Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) is evolving at breakneck speed—from practice management (PM) and data collection software to CRM platforms and value-based care models. To stay ahead, ABA professionals must adapt, innovate, and leverage technology to sustain their businesses.

In this must-listen episode of ABA on Tap, Dan and Mike sit down with Suzanne Juzwik, MA, BCBA—CEO of Innovation Moon and an expert in ABA business operations, EHR software & technology selection, and financial sustainability...


GOOD JOB! Dr. Becky and Salient Reinforcement Effort
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02/03/2025

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ABA on Tap has discussed the ever ubiquitous 'Do This!' as a discriminative stimulus. And of course, once the child imitates correctly, you say "GOOD JOB!" as the standard, overly used and potentially ineffective consequence, dare we say 'reinforcement.' 

In this episode, Mike and Dan brew over an article from Dr. Becky Kennedy (see link below). Dr. Becky advises parents to reconsider the use of 'good job' as a response to indicate satisfaction with a child's behavior. She provides great insight that is applicable to any parent and child d...


2024 Year in Review
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01/17/2025

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Happy New Year! ABA on Tap says 'thank you' for all your support over the last 5 seasons. We offer a 'Year in Review' for 2024 to revisit all the great tasting 'brews' we offered. Enjoy!

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Crisis Management and Applied Behavior Analysis--Special Guest Kim Warma from Pro-ACT, Inc.
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11/10/2024

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In this episode we are excited to have a discussion with Kim Warma, the President of Pro-ACT, Inc. Pro-ACT is a widely used crisis management curriculum that is implemented in various settings, from schools, to hospitals, to group homes/residential facilities, and many more. Dan and Mike have experience utilizing the Pro-ACT curriculum,  with Dan training the principals for over 10 years for multiple ABA companies, and can both personally vouch for its value with increasing safety and improving company culture. 

Under continuous development since 1975, Pro-ACT has evolved over the past 50 years co...


Artificial Intelligence, RBTs, BCBAs and Treatment Plans--Special Guest Michael Gao from Alpaca Health
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10/28/2024

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AI has been injected into every aspect of our lives and its been a fast and furious deployment. While the speed of the technology is enticing, it quickly raises questions about the individuality and client specificity of AI output, especially for essential artifacts like medical notes. While medical notes are a well-known nightmare to ABA providers---lengthy, confusing, seemingly meant to confound and confuse, and clearly installed to defer payment wherever possible--they also serve a very important purpose for clinicians, who truly use them to document procedure, protocol and progress. Enter Michael Gao from...


Clinical Practice in Applied Behavior Analysis--Special Guest Jennifer Fitzpatrick, CPABA Conference
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10/20/2024

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These days, there is no shortage of controversy over ABA treatment. The neurodivergent community, at least specific outspoken members within, often make general claims about ABA, calling it 'evil' and 'abusive.' Experienced and devoted practitioners beg to differ. Enter Jennifer Fitzpatrick and her efforts in organizing and successfully hosting the inaugural CPABA Conference for 2024. Her intent was to bring together professionals from both sides of the discussion to posit the role of ABA in medical treatment, specifically for autistic individuals. This was recorded prior to the conference, but publication held till now.<...


The Behavior Influencer--Special Guest Kendall Ryndak Sameul
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09/01/2024

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ABA on Tap is proud to host a very special guest brewer, The Behavior Influencer herself, Kendall Ryndak Samuel. Kendall shares her incredible story and her clear objective to make ABA accessible and ever relevant. She discusses her use of ABA in sports training, as well as her daily contact with a mass of followers on social media. Kendall also takes time to elaborate on her idea behind writing and publishing 'Talk Behavior to Me: The Routledge Dictionary of the Top 150 Behavior Analytic Terms and Translations,' her highly anticipated, soon to be...


Models of Disability--Make That Change
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08/04/2024

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In this brewing session, despite a wealth of choices, Dan and Mike focus on the basic ingredients in looking at a medical model in comparison to a social model. As behavior analysts, it's easy to see the stakeholder as the principal agent for change, and overlook our impetus for changing behavior, the surrounding environment. Models of disability take this as their basic kernel for debate. As is the final resolution in most binary discussions, Mike and Dan agree that it's not one model over the other, it's both models working in collaboration. This...


Empirically Validated Treatment Part II
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07/01/2024

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The terms 'empirically validated' and 'evidence-based' get thrown around a lot, specifically in describing the prospects of any given medically-based treatment. ABA is no stranger to the phrasing and enjoys a prominent place on the list of such treatments--namely the top of the list. This, however, does not mean that treatments without empirical validation may not hold some evidence or use. And to much dismay,  empirically validated approaches are not always implemented successfully. In fact, even evidence based approaches can fall short due to human error.

This is part 2 of this d...


Empirically Validated Treatment (Revised)
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06/03/2024

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The terms 'empirically validated' and 'evidence-based' get thrown around a lot, specifically in describing the prospects of any given medically-based treatment. ABA is no stranger to the phrasing and enjoys a prominent place on the list of such treatments--namely the top of the list. This, however, does not mean that treatments without empirical validation may not hold some evidence or use. And to much dismay,  empirically validated approaches are not always implemented successfully. In fact, even evidence based approaches can fall short due to human error.

In this dense and tasty b...


3 Pie Squared and ABA Business Leaders
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04/21/2024

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ABA on Tap is proud to present a very special, super tasty, full-bodied brew for this episode. It is our honor to host Stephen and April Smith from the 3 Pie Squared--ABA Business Leaders podcast. Dan and Mike were extremely grateful to have appeared as guests on their podcast in November of 2023. Stephen and April cover a variety of topics all under the umbrella of ethically and fiscally sound ABA practice. Their courses and consultation services have proven instrumental to hundreds, if not thousands, of ABA professionals across North America.

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A Parent's Perspective
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03/25/2024

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Super craft brew for this episode. Dan and Mike take time to interview a parent, Jess, with her own, very unique experience with ASD and ABA intervention. Jess is a sole-provider with two young children, her youngest on the spectrum. She lends her insight and experiences regarding sibling rivalry, managing extended family attitudes about disability and services, as well as making herself available for said services. Jess gives an honest account of her struggles and better yet, provides an encouraging message for parents given her outcomes.

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'7 Things to Do When You Lose Patience' Parenting Article Review
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03/11/2024

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Continuing with the parenting brew, Dan and Mike lean yet again on a recipe from Jeremy Brown and Autism Parenting Magazine (link below). As was the case with the first two episodes of the season, the article provides a perfect blend of basic ingredients for cool, crisp and balanced parenting. This episode reviews all tips and strategies outlined in the article and expands to parenting in general, acknowledging that parents with autistic children may face unique situations well outlined by the author.

An easy brew for all to enjoy--crisp, clean and...


'11 Things Not To Do With An Autistic Child' Part II
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02/20/2024

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Jeremy Brown, author of "11 Things Not To  Do With An Autistic Child," an insightful article easily found online, provides so much to contemplate. that Dan and Mike pulled a second brew from his basic ingredients. To be honest, they simply take ingredients 6-11 from the list for this particular concoction. ABA on Tap is thankful for the author's parenting insight and uses an ABA filter to continue exploring the 'Do' aspect, while honoring the parenting gems in the article.

This is a light and refreshing blend, 'thanks' to Jeremy Brown and h...


"11 Things Not to Do with An Autistic Child"--Article Review
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02/04/2024

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Welcome to Season 5 of ABA on Tap! In an effort to bring more support directly to parents, as well as ABA professionals, Mike and Dan kick off the season with an article review (link below). Right in line with the objective, an article from a parenting magazine about 'what not to do' with autistic children is reviewed for this brew. As has been the recipe on ABA on Tap, whenever Dan and Mike here 'don't', they automatically ponder the 'do' portion of such a recommendation. This episode takes advantage of an excellent resource...


Year in Review 2023
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01/07/2024

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It has been an incredible run for ABA on Tap in 2023! Mike and Dan take a moment to recap all our discussions and themes. They give some hints about what is to come in season 5. Most importantly, Mike and Dan give THANKS! to all of you out there who collaborate with us and  support the show  in any way. ABA on TAP appreciates YOU!

Enjoy this well-rounded ale and CHEERS to the new year and season 5 of ABA on Tap. Always analyze responsibly.

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ABA and Schools
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11/27/2023

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ABA is often seen as home-based in terms of its service location. While this may at times extend to the premise of 'community,' the procedures and protocols can appear very similar from place to place. However, just like behavior, the environment can have a substantial influence on how ABA can be practiced and implemented. One particular environment that presents clear constraints to practice is a classroom environment on a school campus. That is to say, there are clear guidelines, rules and expectations that point to one set of acceptable behaviors, with little...


ABA in Crisis II
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10/22/2023

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Mike and Dan continue to bubble and brew over the challenges in the field of ABA intervention, and specifically the undervalued role of the RBT. They provide impressions and personal tales regarding their own professional transition from possibly the best reimbursement rates in the history of ABA intervention to a new outfit where said rates will be slashed by 60% and now match the rest of the field. Considering the premise that an RBT can make a more consistent and predictable living working at a fast food restaurant, ABA on Tap continues to examine...


ABA in Crisis
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08/27/2023

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Private equity has entered the ABA services game with great fervor, making a tremendous impact on the field as a whole. In this episode, Mike and Dan take a close look at some 'crisis' elements created by the infusion of private equity and an aim to generate revenue, at times at the expense of the quality of services and client outcomes. At the same time, it can be discerned that ABA practitioners had developed some less than desirable habits prior to private equity, but certainly exacerbated now by the focus on fiscal health...


RBT--Person or Service?
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07/31/2023

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Continuity of quality service might be one of the most important aspects of treatment with successful outcomes. Quality can refer to a number of variables including a strong rapport between client (and family) and clinicians, built over time with a steady progression of engaging and reinforcing sessions. While case managers are part of this quality service, it is inevitably the registered behavior technicians (RBTs) who share the most time and encounters with client and family. often in the family home. Hence, the reality of turnover of staff, or perhaps the necessity for 'time-off...


Visual Structure and Support
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06/25/2023

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From vertically-oriented wall schedules to PECS to token and choice boards--ABA practitioners love their so-called 'visuals'. In this brewing session, Mike and Dan dissect the idea of these strange technologies to understand what is meant by 'visual,' especially if all parties involved are 'sighted' individuals. Taking the ideas of joint attention and naturalistic strategies, Dan and Mike are able to boil it down to the difference between what can be easily accessed visually in the environment, versus more artificially driven, icon-based, laminated squares.

So, grab your favorite libation, turn off...


Autism Acceptance and ABA
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05/08/2023

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In observation of Autism Acceptance and Awareness Month, Mike and Dan examine a very poignant and sharp criticism of ABA intervention strategies (link is below). Reviewed exactly as published on the website 'autisticscienceperson.com,' the current brew integrates several points of disapproval, as written by an author that identifies as autistic. While ABA on Tap welcomes a deep analysis of ABA itself and has entertained several detractors before, this particular point of contention presents a bit differently. Mike and Dan are able to diligently identify validity in the author's concern, and more...


Parenting Styles
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03/19/2023

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Beginning with one of the most foundational ingredients available for this brew, Mike and Dan lean on hearty handfuls of Diana Baumrind's nominal research on parenting styles from back in the 1960s. Fresh off a healthy pour on 'Parent Education,' it makes perfect sense for the behavioral brew to examine styles of parenting. Many new flavors and 'hints' of different aromas have surfaced over the years---including terms like 'collaborative parenting', or the seemingly harsher but likely misconstrued 'commando parenting.' At the end of the day, Mike and Dan make a case...


Revisiting '40 Hours' ft. Jennifer Stephens
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03/12/2023

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ABA on Tap is proud to introduce Jennifer Stephens, a BCBA and clinical counselor, in this latest installment of our behavioral brew. Jennifer is owner/operator of the Stephens Consulting Group in Kentucky and also a long time listener of ABA on Tap. She took inspiration from our inaugural episode 'Why 40-hours?' and has graciously agreed to join as a guest and continue the conversation. In this episode, you will hear more about considerations toward recommendation of levels of service as affected by client availability, fiscal motives as well as research-driven, empirical...


Reciprocal Imitation
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02/19/2023

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In considering traditional approaches to ABA intervention and the importance of imitation as a key building block in learning, you have probably heard the directive (discriminative stimulus) 'Do This' as an essential part of so-called non-verbal imitation programs. In this episode, Mike and Dan take some time to examine the premise of non-verbal imitation, its role in more traditional approaches as well as available adaptations to take this practice from  the 'lab to living room.' Using the procedures as outlined in published research, this brew encourages an update to these imitation procedures t...


ABA and Policing
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02/05/2023

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For this brew, Dan and Mike take time to incorporate some recent events with policing and the challenges faced by said institutions in providing training and support. Given current discussions and criticism of ABA methods and treatment, your hosts draw comparisons and parallels between the ideas of ABA intervention and policing as it relates to behavior management to  preserve an acceptable 'peace' in the process, but perhaps more importantly, the goal of protecting and serving. Using the model of parenting styles to create a connection between the levels of authoritarianism appropriate to either e...