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Moving Markets is the home of podcasts at Julius Baer. Here, our expert teams share concise daily market updates in ‘Moving Markets Daily’ which is complemented by ‘Moving Markets: The View Beyond’, a weekly show dedicated to discussing the context, thematic angles, and investment implications behind key topics shaping the news cycle and conversations among our relationship managers and clients. The information contained in this podcast is marketing material. Opinions expressed do not constitute independent financial/investment research, investment advice, or an offer to buy or sell securities by Julius Baer. Please refer to www.juliusbaer.com/legal/podcasts for importan...

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All about tech – from semiconductors to data centres
Yesterday at 6:48 AM

European equities closed off their lows as oil reversed most of its early 5% gain after easing Middle East tensions, leaving Brent near USD 94. Weak German factory orders weighed on sentiment, while stocks diverged, with Zealand Pharma down 23% and Banca Monte dei Paschi up 13% on takeover news. In the US, technology led gains as chip stocks rebounded, though sentiment softened after Apple’s developer conference. Strong demand for SpaceX’s IPO and OpenAI’s filing point to a solid pipeline. Asian markets followed the tech rebound, led by Korea and Japan, while Hong Kong lagged and China reported stronger-than-expected trade data...


Tech sell-off widens as Asian markets dive
Last Monday at 6:45 AM

The market reaction to Friday’s better-than-expected US jobs report started bad and got worse. The Nasdaq closed down 4.2%, marking its steepest decline since April 2025, following ‘Liberation Day’. The sell-off spread to Asia this morning, where investors slammed the brakes on the red-hot AI rally. South Korea’s KOSPI fell by more than 8%, triggering circuit breakers. Mensur Pocinci, Head of Technical Analysis, explains why he thinks the latest weakness in tech is a well-deserved pause, and why gold is on the watch list.

(00:00) - Introduction: Bernadette Anderko, Product & Investment Content (00:21) - Markets wrap-up: Jan Bopp, Product & Investme...


The View Beyond: Thoughts from our CIO on how to invest in a crisis
Last Saturday at 5:00 AM

The role of a Chief Investment Officer is multifaceted – acting as both the guardian and the architect of a company’s investment process, and preventing people from making mistakes that might destroy value. A key requisite for the job is the ability to stay calm amid the panic when a global crisis hits.

In this special edition of The View Beyond, produced jointly with the World Economic Forum's Radio Davos, Bernadette Anderko and WEF Editor Robin Pomeroy sit down with Julius Baer's Group CIO Yves Bonzon to explore the history and nature of recent crises. Yves has spen...


A reality check for AI?
Last Friday at 6:50 AM

Markets delivered a mixed session yesterday, driven by geopolitical tensions, a sharp semiconductor sell-off following Broadcom’s disappointing results, and steady macro data from Switzerland and the US. Oil remained driven by developments in the Middle East, while gold fluctuated alongside moves in the dollar and bond yields. European equities closed higher despite lingering uncertainty, while the US showed a clear divergence: the Dow reached a record high, supported by defensive stocks, as tech weakness weighed on the Nasdaq. In Asia, the rotation out of tech continued, pressuring chip-heavy markets such as South Korea and Japan, with broader sentiment re...


From record highs to a reality check – Julius Baer Group CIO Yves Bonzon on markets
Last Thursday at 6:59 AM

The S&P 500 snapped its nine-day winning streak yesterday, as renewed tensions in the Middle East dented risk sentiment, and momentum in the AI-driven rally eased. At the same time, bond yields pushed higher on the back of resilient labour market data, reigniting concerns that inflation pressures may persist. In today’s episode, our Group CIO Yves Bonzon shares his latest perspectives on the market backdrop, while Norbert Rücker, Head of Economics and Next Generation Research, explains why he expects oil prices to trend lower from here.

(00:00) - Introduction: Bernadette Anderko, Product & Investment Content (00:28) - Mar...


Who will be the next trillion-dollar tech giant?
06/03/2026

AI fever is fuelling a fresh wave of market excitement, with soaring valuations and high-profile endorsements pointing to the next potential trillion-dollar tech company. With major players doubling down on artificial intelligence, investor confidence remains resilient despite rising eurozone inflation and mounting expectations of another ECB rate hike. Meanwhile, Afonso Borges from our Fixed Income Research team makes the case for UK gilts amid shifting bond dynamics, while Nenad Dinic, Equity Strategy Research, explores the broadening strength in emerging market equities and explains why it’s not only about tech.

(00:00) - Introduction: Lucija Caculovic, Product & Investment Co...


Geopolitics push oil higher while AI momentum powers US markets
06/02/2026

Markets were mixed yesterday, with Middle East tensions driving a sharp rise in oil and weighing on sentiment. European equities edged lower, while all three major US indices reached fresh highs, supported by strong momentum in AI-linked names. Macro data showed a divided backdrop — resilient manufacturing in Asia, slowing growth and rising cost pressures in the Eurozone, modest but improving trends in Switzerland, and solid momentum in the US. Today, we were joined by Carsten Menke, Head of Next Generation Research, who provided a deep-dive into cybersecurity, highlighting the sector’s remarkable rebound and why it is becoming increasingly miss...


Markets boosted by AI as they shrug off the lack of a deal
06/01/2026

US equity indices closed the week at new record highs, topping off a winning month as tech stocks once again provided the momentum. Despite no agreement emerging between the US and Iran, and indeed continued strikes over the weekend, many of Asia’s key indices also saw gains this morning with the Kospi and Nikkei 225 soaring to new heights. It’s therefore timely that Mensur Pocinci, Head of Technical Analysis, joins the podcast today to discuss his thoughts on whether US equities are now overbought; why a previous laggard sub-sector might now help drive the IT sector even higher, and...


The View Beyond: Waiting for the gold rally to resume
05/30/2026

After a period of relative calm, gold has re-emerged as a focal point for investors amid geopolitics, shifting central bank strategies, and evolving global demand. How should investors interpret gold’s recent volatility, and what does the outlook hold as we move through 2026?

In this episode of Julius Baer’s Moving Markets:The View Beyond, Ayako Lehmann is joined by Carsten Menke, Head of Next Generation Research, and Chris Irwin, Head of FX and Precious Metals Trading Asia at Julius Baer, to discuss the drivers behind gold’s remarkable run, the impact of central bank activity, and the ch...


US equities at all-time highs, while oil plunges in May
05/29/2026

US equities surged to record highs on optimism over a potential US–Iran ceasefire extension, with the S&P 500, Nasdaq, and Russell 2000 all closing at all-time highs yesterday. Oil prices fell sharply and are on track for their steepest monthly decline since March 2020. US economic data was mixed, pointing to slowing growth and increasing pressure on household finances. Technology remained the primary market driver, with strong gains in AI and tech stocks contrasting with weak momentum in Bitcoin. Tim Gagie, Head of FX Advisory Geneva, highlights gold being at critical levels, the continued attractiveness of the AUD, and persistently lo...


Oil swings and AI soars: US markets hit new highs
05/28/2026

Oil prices are swinging on every twist in the Middle East, while AI continues to dominate global markets. Europe’s stocks are under pressure from high energy costs, but in the US, AI momentum is driving major indices to fresh record highs. In today’s episode, Carsten Menke, Head of Next Generation Research, dives into copper, and why electrification is set to shape markets for years to come.

(00:00) - Introduction: Bernadette Anderko, Product & Investment Content (00:28) - Markets wrap-up: Roman Canziani, Head of Product & Investment Content (06:12) - Copper market update: Carsten Menke, Head of Next Generation Research (10:29) - Cl...


More chip makers join the USD 1 trillion market-cap club
05/27/2026

Global equities extended their record rally as momentum in technology shares accelerated and geopolitical tensions eased. Micron and SK Hynix have joined the USD 1 trillion market-capitalisation club, fuelled by surging demand for AI chips. This milestone underscores the growing dominance of semiconductor companies in global markets, with ripple effects from Seoul to Silicon Valley. Mensur Pocinci, Head of Technical Analysis, explains why he expects this momentum to continue and shares compelling statistics on IPO returns ahead of the landmark SpaceX listing.

(00:00) - Introduction: Bernadette Anderko, Product & Investment Content (00:38) - Markets wrap-up: Jan Bopp, Product & Investment Content (05:47...


AI rally meets weak consumers, and healthcare innovation
05/26/2026

Despite US consumer confidence falling to a record low, the S&P 500 extended gains last week, driven by semiconductors, as AI enthusiasm remains strong and crowded. Global equities also advanced, led by Europe and Japan. Kevin Warsh was sworn in as Fed Chair, while Governor Waller emphasised inflation risks. Middle East tensions remain volatile, with shifting ceasefire prospects, US military action, and moves in oil, gold, and bonds. This week, focus turns to US PCE inflation, growth data, and key geopolitical meetings in Asia. Damian Ng, Next Generation Research, talks about why the recent outbreak of the Ebola virus...


The View Beyond: From petrodollars to a new world order?
05/23/2026

The petrodollar system has long been a cornerstone of global finance, underpinning the US dollar’s dominance for decades. But as energy markets shift, and talk of de-dollarisation grows louder, is this system now fading? And what could that mean for the future global order?

In this episode of The View Beyond, Jan Bopp is joined by Julius Baer’s currency strategist, David Meier, and Norbert Rücker, Head of Macro and Next Generation Research, to explore the origins and evolution of the petrodollar system, the impact of the US shale oil revolution, and the practical realities of de...


Markets steady despite weak data and geopolitical crosscurrents
05/22/2026

Markets remained choppy as weak PMI data across Europe and the UK signalled slowing growth, while US data painted a mixed but still resilient picture. Oil prices were volatile amid shifting headlines around Iran, underlining ongoing geopolitical sensitivity. Equities in both Europe and the US ended modestly higher despite intraday swings, with pockets of strength in sectors like satellites and quantum computing following fresh investment momentum. Overnight, softer inflation in Japan supported Asian markets, while US yields edged lower and the dollar held firm. Today, we were joined by Bence Boldvai from our FX & Precious Metals team, who shared...


Stocks rally as oil prices and bond yields retreat on peace hopes and AI boost
05/21/2026

European and US stock markets rallied yesterday after President Trump hinted that the US administration is in the final stages of an agreement to end the war with Iran. The 10-year US Treasury shaved 9 basis points off the previous session’s yield. Asian markets were further boosted overnight by an impressive set of results from NVIDIA. Warnings did come in from the Fed though, in the form of the minutes of its last meeting, which revealed a heightened level of disagreement about where rates should go next and a majority of participants highlighting that rates will need to rise if...


Bond sell-off rattles markets ahead of Nvidia earnings
05/20/2026

US markets dipped amid rising long-term bond yields, with the 30-year Treasury hitting the highest level in almost two decades fuelled by inflation fears and potential Fed tightening. Geopolitical tensions and key upcoming catalysts, including Nvidia’s earnings and FOMC minutes, keep investors on edge. Dario Messi, Head of Fixed Income Research, explains what is behind the recent surge in bond yields and Mathieu Racheter, Head of Equity Strategy Research, discusses the implications for equity markets and outlines his key message for the second half of the year.

(00:00) - Introduction: Roman Canziani, Head of Product & Investment Co...


Markets caught between peace hopes and rising tensions
05/19/2026

Global equities are caught between hopes for a peace deal and rising Middle East tensions, with Brent fluctuating around USD 100 per barrel. In the US, strong market breadth contrasts with weakness in technology stocks, weighing on major equity indices. Japan and Switzerland posted stronger-than-expected Q1 growth, highlighting resilience despite geopolitical tensions and high oil prices. Carsten Menke, Head of Next Generation Research, discusses India’s decision to double import duties on gold and silver.

(00:00) - Introduction: Bernadette Anderko, Product & Investment Content (00:31) - Markets wrap-up: Mike Rauber, Product & Investment Content (06:07) - The impact of India's new gold ta...


Yields surge, oil climbs: is a market reality check coming?
05/18/2026

Global markets are kicking off the week on the back foot as government bond yields surge to multi-year highs, reigniting concerns about stagflation. Oil prices climbed another 2% overnight, with no quick resolution in sight for the ongoing Middle East tensions. In today’s episode, we’re joined by Mensur Pocinci, Head of Technical Analysis, who shares his outlook on whether US 10-year Treasury yields could reach the 5% mark. He also explains why the rally in semiconductor stocks may be due for a pause – and why that might actually be a good thing.

(00:00) - Introduction: Bernadette Anderko, Produc...


The View Beyond: The AI story behind US equity highs
05/16/2026

Despite geopolitical tensions, US equity markets have reached record highs, with artificial intelligence at the heart of this surge. What is driving these historic moves? How are investors positioning themselves to both capture the opportunities and manage the risks? 

In this episode of The View Beyond, Bernadette Anderko is joined by Carsten Menke, Head of Next Generation Research at Julius Baer, and Manuel Villegas, Co-Manager of the Julius Baer Next Generation Equity Fund. They explore the rapid development of AI, the unprecedented growth in data centre infrastructure, and the evolving dynamics of the global value chain. The d...


US–China progress lifts markets, but rate concerns temper tech optimism
05/15/2026

Markets were driven by headlines from the Trump–Xi summit in Beijing, where progress on trade and a surprise easing of US chip export restrictions to major Chinese tech firms lifted sentiment, particularly in technology. European equities closed higher and US indices reached fresh record highs, supported by strong earnings from Cisco, although gains in Asia faded as rising Treasury yields and renewed rate hike expectations weighed on sentiment. Corporate news was mixed, while Crypto-related stocks rallied following regulatory progress. Commodities showed divergence, with oil edging higher and metals softer. Overnight, Asian equities declined broadly, led by a sharp se...


Risk-off mood deepens as inflation and oil jolt markets
05/13/2026

Markets showed a broad risk-off tone on Tuesday, with equities weaker and bond yields moving higher. Oil prices surged as hopes for a US–Iran deal faded, stoking inflation concerns after stronger-than-expected US inflation data. Dario Messi, Head of Fixed Income Research, explains the implications for bond markets and shares his view on UK gilts amid ongoing political turmoil. And Nenad Dinic, Equity Strategist, explains why he likes the Communications sector and highlights areas of strength and weakness within European equities.

(00:00) - Introduction: Roman Canziani, Head of Product & Investment Content (00:52) - Markets wrap-up: Jan Bopp, Product & In...


US tech rally continues while Europe lags and oil climbs
05/12/2026

European markets were weighed down by declines in the luxury sector yesterday, as concerns over weakening global demand dampened sentiment. In contrast, major US indices reached fresh record highs, led by strong gains in the technology sector. Meanwhile, oil prices are climbing again this morning amid signs that the Middle East ceasefire may be unravelling. Today, we are joined by Dr. Damien Ng from Next Generation Research, who will share his insights on the hantavirus outbreak and the role genomics and digital health tools are playing.

(00:00) - Introduction: Bernadette Anderko, Product & Investment Content (00:34) - Markets wrap-up...


US equities up for six weeks in a row
05/11/2026

Strong earnings and resilient jobs data are prompting markets to rule out rate cuts this year. Semiconductor stocks continue to lead gains across the US and Asia, with South Korea and Japan hitting new highs, supported by AI investment. Inflation pressures reflected in China’s data release, rising oil prices amid a fragile Middle East ceasefire, and broader geopolitical risks remain in focus ahead of a busy week of data and events, including inflation releases from the US, Germany and Japan, the Trump–Xi meeting, the King’s Speech in the UK, and Kevin Warsh taking over the leadership at the...


The View Beyond: Reading between China’s headline indices
05/09/2026

Global equity markets have performed strongly, led by the AI-driven rally across the US, Japan, and Korea, while China’s headline indices have lagged in comparison. Yet beneath the surface, performance has been more nuanced, with parts of the market showing stronger momentum than index-level data suggests.

In this episode, Richard Tang, China Strategist and Head of Research Hong Kong at Julius Baer, speaks with Hong Hao, Managing Partner and CIO of Lotus Asset Management. They discuss why China’s markets have underperformed on the surface, whether traditional benchmarks are capturing the right parts of the economy, and...


Risk‑off mood returns as oil rebounds and uncertainty lingers
05/08/2026

Markets remained on edge as ongoing uncertainty around a potential US–Iran agreement drove a clear risk‑off tone. European equities moved broadly lower, while US indices pulled back after briefly touching record highs, weighed down by weakness in technology and semiconductors. Oil prices proved volatile but ultimately rebounded, with both Brent and WTI holding elevated levels, while gold edged higher. In fixed income, US yields ticked up as investors reassessed inflation risks linked to energy markets. Central banks painted a mixed picture, with Norway surprising to the upside on rates, while Sweden held steady. In Asia, markets were most...


Hints of a deal send stocks soaring
05/07/2026

Hopes grew yesterday that the US and Iran might be able to seal a deal to end the conflict, with a memorandum of understanding apparently having been sent by the US to Iran. The oil price dropped and with it so did bond yields. Meanwhile, global stock markets continued to rally and were given a further boost by artificial intelligence firms and yet more good news from earnings calls. Norbert Rücker, Head of Economics & Next Generation Research, joins the podcast to explain why he believes that the Strait of Hormuz may lose its strategic importance in the future, a...


Semiconductors power markets to new all-time highs
05/06/2026

Semiconductor stocks, from Intel to Samsung Electronics, are pushing US and Asian equities to new all‑time highs. Strong earnings from Anheuser‑Busch and Unicredit also lifted European markets. US services activity slowed in April, while inflation pressures stayed elevated. UK yields surged on inflation and fiscal concerns, Swiss data showed higher headline but subdued core inflation, and PMIs in China and India pointed to resilience. The JPY continues to strengthen after last week’s lows, likely reflecting FX intervention. Nenad Dinic, Equity Strategy Research, notes while European earnings are rising, the momentum is weaker than in the US where...


‘Risk-off’ returns and big tech at a crossroads
05/05/2026

After several days of solid gains, markets paused yesterday as risk aversion returned, driven by escalating tensions in the Middle East and a sharp rise in oil prices. European equities bore the brunt of the sell-off, while major US indices also closed lower. In today’s episode, we’re joined by Carsten Menke, Head of Next Generation Research, to unpack the outlook for hyperscalers following last week’s earnings, and what it means for the road ahead.

(00:00) - Introduction: Bernadette Anderko, Product & Investment Content (00:34) - Markets wrap-up: Roman Canziani, Head of Product & Investment Content (06:33) - Hyperscaler capex...


All-time highs and US naval escorts
05/04/2026

Geopolitics continues to dominate as investors weigh mixed Middle East messages. Trump has signalled his openness to Iran talks while also warning of renewed conflict and saying the US will begin guiding ships through the Strait of Hormuz. Global equities are rallying on AI optimism and strong tech earnings, even as central banks stay cautious amid uneven growth and sticky inflation. A pivotal week of earnings and data lies ahead. Mensur Pocinci, Head of Technical Analysis, discusses a potential topping process in oil and why technicals suggest the correction in US equities may be ending.

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The View Beyond: How can structured products help navigate current markets?
05/02/2026

With geopolitical uncertainty and market volatility top of mind, investors are seeking tools to help navigate an increasingly complex landscape. How can structured products add value to portfolios in this environment?

In this episode of Julius Baer’s Moving Markets: The View Beyond podcast, Helen Freer is joined by Yves Klenk, Head of Client Coverage and Advisory, and Maximiliano Ranieri, Head of Structured Products Solutions Sales Geneva, to discuss the role of structured products in portfolios today. The conversation covers the current macroeconomic backdrop, the scenarios where structured products can complement traditional investments, and the four main ca...


Fed divided, AI earnings diverging, oil ever higher
04/30/2026

The US Federal Reserve remains on hold but is the most divided since 1992. Kevin Warsh advanced in a key Senate vote to become the new chairman of the Fed next month. The ascent of the oil price continues amid reports of another military escalation. Major US technology firms reaffirmed heavy AI investment in their earnings releases, but results differed sharply across the companies reporting yesterday: Alphabet, Meta, Amazon, and Microsoft. Norbert Rücker, Head of Economics and Next Generation, talks about the UAE’s decision to leave OPEC amid tectonic shifts in the oil market and our outlook for oil...


Markets eye Big Tech earnings & final Powell rate call
04/29/2026

Oil prices surged above USD 110 on supply concerns stemming from the stalled Iran war and news of an extended blockade of Iran. The rally was capped by historic news that the UAE will exit OPEC. In equities, AI-driven gains faltered amid questions about OpenAI’s growth prospects. With mega-cap technology firms Alphabet, Amazon, Meta, and Microsoft set to report earnings today, attention will also turn to the Federal Reserve’s policy decision at Jerome Powell’s final meeting as Chair, setting the stage for a pivotal rest of the week. Dario Messi, Head of Fixed Income Research, explains why he doe...


Cautious markets, rising oil and the next phase of AI
04/28/2026

Markets started the week on a cautious note as geopolitics, central bank meetings and rising oil prices kept risk appetite in check. European equities slipped, while US indices hovered near record highs, supported by big tech, despite a pause in the semiconductor rally. AI remained firmly in focus after OpenAI signalled a shift in its relationship with Microsoft. Outside of tech, energy markets drew attention as Shell announced a major acquisition to boost long‑term production. Bond yields edged higher in the US, as investors positioned ahead of the Fed, while commodities stayed volatile and Asian markets were mixed fo...


Risk back on? Earnings, central banks, and the next leg higher
04/27/2026

Markets have kicked off the week on a strong note, with Asian - particularly tech - stocks rallying amid renewed diplomatic efforts to ease tensions in the Middle East and an exceptionally robust earnings season. The days ahead will be pivotal, with major central banks delivering key monetary policy decisions and several members of the “Magnificent 7” set to report earnings. In this episode, we’re joined by Markus Wachter from Technical Analysis, who shares why he believes both equity markets and gold still have room to run.

(00:00) - Introduction: Jan Bopp, Product & Investment Content (00:38) - Markets wrap-u...


The View Beyond: Private infrastructure - Resilience & growth amidst volatility
04/25/2026

In an environment marked by higher inflation, geopolitical uncertainty and increased market volatility, private infrastructure is regaining focus as a resilient allocation.

In this episode of Moving Markets: The View Beyond, William Fong, Head of Alternatives Specialists Asia & Middle East at Julius Baer, speaks with Daniel McCormack, Head of Research at Macquarie Asset Management's Client Solutions Group, about the shifting global macro landscape and how private infrastructure can play a vital dual role in portfolios - providing resilience through inflation linkage and essential services, while positioning investors for long‑term growth driven by digitalisation, AI‑led data dema...


Diverging data and higher oil price keep markets cautious
04/24/2026

Global markets sent mixed signals as US data pointed to surprising resilience, while the eurozone slipped back into contraction. Rising energy prices remain a key concern, driving inflation pressures and weighing on confidence. Equity markets reflected this caution yesterday, with US tech stocks pulling back as several software names underperformed after reporting earnings. Meanwhile, signs of Swiss National Bank FX intervention are emerging, while oil prices continue to climb and gold has moved lower. Asia‑Pacific markets were mostly weaker, with Japan the notable exception following firmer inflation data ahead of next week’s Bank of Japan meeting. Joining our...


Fragile ceasefire extension sees global rally peter out
04/23/2026

New record highs were set in the US trading session on Wednesday as markets embraced the ceasefire extension and more strong Q1 earnings. But despite Asian markets rallying at the open, they failed to hold onto their gains as investors’ focus returned to the fact that the Strait of Hormuz effectively remains closed for business. As EU leaders meet to discuss how to address the energy price shock, Norbert Rücker, Head of Economics & Next Generation Research, explains why he believes that Europe’s energy resilience is overlooked – not only is the continent exiting the heating season but drivers are inc...


Trump extends ceasefire unilaterally
04/22/2026

Geopolitical tensions and a late ceasefire extension kept markets on edge. Equities were lower in Tuesday’s trading session as stocks ended near session lows. Strong nominal US retail sales and upbeat earnings clashed with fading optimism. Afonso Borges, Fixed Income Strategist, shares his takeaways from Fed Chair-to-be Kevin Warsh’s Senate hearing and the implications for bond markets. Mathieu Racheter, Head of Equity Strategy Research, also joins the show to provide an update on the ongoing earnings season and outline what investors should be watching in the weeks ahead.

(00:00) - Introduction: Roman Canziani, Head of Prod...


Geopolitics weigh on markets as Middle East tensions rise again
04/21/2026

After a brief bout of optimism on Friday, concerns over a potential escalation between the US and Iran swiftly re-emerged yesterday. Oil prices climbed by around 5%, while equity markets came under pressure. Europe’s broad indices fell by roughly 0.8%, and all major U.S. indices closed slightly lower, with the Nasdaq snapping a 14-session winning streak. In today’s episode, we are joined by Carsten Menke, Head of Next Generation Research, who shares his insights on silver.

(00:00) - Introduction: Bernadette Anderko, Product & Investment Content (01:05) - Markets wrap-up: Roman Canziani, Head of Product & Investment Content (06:58) - What we l...