The Politics Guys
The Politics Guys is an independent, ideologically diverse American politics and policy podcast hosted by experts: political scientists, law professors, and practicing attorneys with government experience. Our mission is to give listeners a much-needed break from conservative and liberal echo chambers through civil, rational, and evidence-based discussion of American politics and policy from multiple perspectives.
TrumpRx, Affirmative Action Fallout, American Dominance Ending?
Mike and Ken open this supportersâ exclusive midweek episode with a look at TrumpRx, a government-branded prescription drug discount portal. Mike points out that it offers real savings on certain high-cost drugs and signals a willingness to confront pharmaceutical pricing, but suggests it may function more as a Big Pharma marketing funnel than structural reform. Ken contends it risks undermining insurance markets, misdirects consumers from systemic solutions like negotiation or single-payer leverage, and may create perverse incentives while doing little beyond what private platforms already offer.
Next, the guys turn to new postâSFFA admissions data showing decl...
ICE Retreat, Tariff Pushback, DOJ Under Trump
Mike and Ken open with the end of ICEâs âOperation Metro Surgeâ in Minneapolis, a federal judgeâs masking ruling, and a looming DHS shutdown, framing the debate over whether the administrationâs hardline immigration tactics are enforcement or political theater. Mike argues the surge squandered a politically strong issue by embracing heavy-handed tactics that hurt Trump in the polls and likely achieved little lasting cooperation, while Ken contends the real aim was to intimidate blue-state critics and that, on that metric, the operation failed.
Next, the guys turn to the House vote rebuking Trumpâs Canada tarif...
The Politics Guys Present: The U.S. Constitution Necessary and Proper Clause
The Politics Guys analyze the U.S. Constitution. In this episode, they focus on:
Article I, Section 8 Necessary and Proper Clause United States' National Bank Controversyâ Read Trey's Substack for a deep dive into the Federalist Papersâ â
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U.S. / India Trade Deal, Trump Sues the IRS, EPA Calculation of Human Life
In this supporterâs exclusive midweek show, Trey and Mike open with a discussion of the U.S.-India trade deal. The discussion focuses on the relationship to the potential deal and its effects on Russia. Trey argues that current fiscal policy is well outside the empirical truth understood by the most recent scholarship, and Mike wonders if a deal will ever occur.
Next, they discuss the unusual Trump vs. Trump case where Trump is suing the IRS for $ 10 billion. Trey argues that if Trump was serious about the injury, he would have sued fo...
DHS Funding, Midterm Election (In)Security, Epstein
In this weekend episode, Trey and Mike discuss the recent government shutdown and budget negotiations, focusing on the implications of Democratic proposals regarding ICE and law enforcement. Mike argues that Democrats have a fine opening bid, but their list is not going to get met. Trey agrees, but they disagree deeply over what ought to be implemented. Trey is firmly for the unmasking of ICE agents along with true warrants. Mike believes the dangers to ICE agents outweigh libertarian and liberal ideals.
Next, they dive into so-called midterm election integrity with a focus on...
The Politics Guys Present: The U.S. Constitution Preamble and Article I Sections 1, 2 and 3
In the second episode of The Politics Guys Present, Trey and Ken tackle the Preamble to the U.S Constitution, plus dive into Article I, Section 1, 2 and 3. Topics include:
The purposes of the Constitution An overview of the U.S. House An overview of the U.S. Senateâ Read Trey's Substack for a deep dive into the Federalist Papersâ
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Carneyâs Davos Speech, A.I. in Government
Mike, Trey, and Russ open with Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carneyâs Davos speech arguing that the rules-based international order has ruptured and that middle powers should loosen their reliance on U.S. hegemony. Mike frames the debate around the long-term benefits versus short-term costs of American dominance, Trey agrees with Carneyâs realist diagnosis but rejects his prescription to abandon liberal institutions, and Russ emphasizes the symbolic importance of a Western leader openly challenging U.S. power even if the material constraints make real independence unlikely.
Next, the guys turn to the Trump administrationâs plans to use...
Omar Attack, ICE De-escalation?, Trumpâs Fed Pick
Mike, Trey, and new-to-the-show cohost Russ Gifford open with the January 27 assault on Rep. Ilhan Omar at a Minneapolis town hall. Trey frames the incident as crossing a line but notes it was closer to an âenhanced protestâ than a lethal attack, stressing that it could have been far worse. Russ draws a parallel to symbolic political assaults like the shoe thrown at George W. Bush, while Mike emphasizes that President Trumpâs responseâsuggesting Omar staged the attackâsays more about the coarsening of political norms than about the physical harm involved.
Next, the guys turn to the esc...
The Politics Guys Present: The U.S. Constitution An Overview
In this first episode of The Politics Guys Present, Trey and Ken introduce the U.S. Constitution. Topics include:
The American historic context of the U.S. Constitution The Articles of Confederation Federalists and Anti-Federalists The conservatism of the U.S. ConstitutionRead Trey's Substack for a deep dive into the Federalist Papers
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Ideologies: Anarchism
Trey and Justin continue their series on political ideologies, this week with anarchism. Topics covered include:
What is an anarchist?
What does it mean to reject the state?
Anarchism and human nature
The positive vision of life after the state
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Greenland U-Turn, Board of Peace, Gaza, House Budget ICE Warrants
This week, Trey and Justin open the show by announcing The Politics Guys Presents: The U.S. Constitution. This is a new drop coming on Wednesdays, open to all listeners, to get a detailed understanding of the U.S. Constitution!
After that, the pair move to Trumpâs seeming U-Turn on Greenland. Trey argues that the goal isnât Greenland necessarily, but rather to change the relationship with our former allies. He connects it to the United States exiting the World Health Organization. Justin argues Trump was trying to project strength and did not realize the extent of o...
Trans Athletes, Housing Gimmicks, and Weaponizing Government
Mike and Michael open with a deep dive into the Supreme Court cases involving Idaho and West Virginia bans on transgender girls participating in girlsâ sports, unpacking why the Court is likely to uphold the laws while sharply distinguishing between what may be legally permissible and what constitutes sound or humane policy. Mike emphasizes administratability, original legislative meaning in Title IX, and the unavoidable reality that someone loses under any legal rule, while Michael argues the Court is ducking meaningful scrutiny, endorsing blanket exclusions, and turning vulnerable kids into symbolic casualties of a broader culture war.
Next, th...
Minneapolis v ICE, Trump v Powell, Iran Protests
Mike and Michael open with an update on events in Minneapolis in the wake of the killing of Renee Good. Michael emphasizes how polling shows broad public skepticism and frames the situation as a legitimacy crisis for ICE, while Mike argues the administrationâs response reflects an entrenched us-versus-them mentality that treats protesters as enemies rather than citizens.
Next, the guys pivot to the clash between President Trump and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell over the Fedâs headquarters renovation and the resulting DOJ investigation. Michael lays out the cost overruns, subpoenas, and Republican unease about Fed inde...
Greenland Next, Exiting the Global Minimum Tax Agreement, US Exits International Bodies
In this midweek show, Trey and Mike look to the expanding international vision from Trumpworld as it relates primarily to Greenland. Mike argues that Greenland is just saber rattling, but Trey argues that it is more. Further, he argues that MAGA does not see common ground with other democracies, especially in Europe.
Next, they discuss the economic policies of exiting the global tax agreements. Mike believes it was the best move in the case of the U.S. Trey goes into the details of how Europe has targeted the U.S. in terms of taxes.
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Renee Good, Operation Absolute Resolve, TANF Funding
Mike joins Trey to open the show with a deep dive into the ICE killing of Renee Good. Mike focuses on the language used by administrative officials and its militant attack on Good. Trey highlights that, even if Good was engaged in illegal activity, there is a level of due process. He also argues that federalism better handles police situations because they are inherently a part of those communities.
Next, the guys turn to a deeper dive into Operation Absolute Resolve or the attack on Venezuela. While last week the guys got a quick first take, this...
Spiked 60 Minutes Story, Trumpâs 2025, Trump-Kennedy Center?
Mike and Michael open with CBS News pulling a 60 Minutes investigation into alleged abuse of Venezuelan migrants deported to El Salvador, focusing less on the prison itself than on what the decision signals about media independence. Mike argues that conditioning broadcast on administration participation amounts to false balance and effectively hands officials a veto over investigative journalism, while Michael stresses that the move breaks with 60 Minutesâ role as a mass-audience accountability institution rather than a niche outlet.
Next, the guys step back and treat Trumpâs first year as a scorecard exercise, weighing major 2024 campaign promises against outc...
Venezuela Strike, Trump v. Illinois, Mikeâs Not a Democrat
Mike and Michael open with the breaking news that the Trump administration launched military strikes against Venezuela and captured President NicolĂĄs Maduro, debating whether the operation violates international law and risks plunging Venezuela into deeper instability. Michael stresses the fog of war, unresolved legal authority, and the danger posed by entrenched militias and fractured institutions, while Mike argues that even removing a brutal strongman sets a dangerous precedent when done outside the UN framework and without clear congressional authorization.
Next, the guys turn to domestic executive power in Trump v. Illinois, analyzing the Supreme Courtâs ref...
Military Conduct, TPUSA, 2026 Predictions, Recommendations and Rants
Trey and Mike join in this holiday-sized show! The pair start with a look into the Pentagonâs investigation into Senator Kelly over his video of illegal orders. Mike outlines the contours of the military code of justice. Trey argues for the need for members of the Senate (and House) to have the ability to speak freely.
Next, they move to the ongoing feud between Candace Owens and Erica Kirk over TPUSA and the killing of Charlie Kirk. Trey argues that the future of the political right is who wins in this battle. Mike argues Owens is si...
The Affordability Hoax, Tina Peters and Presidential Power
Trey and Mike start with a focus on economic affordability, inflation rates, and the implications of Trump's economic policies. Trey outlines the historic economic conditions between Trump and Biden, noting that the economic conditions under Trump were better than under Biden. Mike argues that you canât look at the total average under Biden because of COVID.Â
Next, they discuss Trump's pardon of Tina Peters, exploring the limits of presidential power and the role of norms in governance. Mike argues that, from a textualist viewpoint, the U.S. Constitution is consistent with a unitary theory of the pre...
Streaming Battle, Minnesota Fraud, Listener Questions
Mike and Joey open with a deep dive into the emerging battle over Warner Bros. Discovery, weighing Netflixâs proposed mega-merger against Paramount Skydanceâs rival bid and asking whether antitrust law still has teeth in a streaming world defined by consolidation. Mike stresses market definition, consumer harm, and the risk of enshittification when dominant platforms get complacent, while Joey argues consolidation raises prices and erodes both competition and the marketplace of ideasÂ
Next, they turn to the idea of âobjectiveâ or traditional news, debating David Ellisonâs claim that CNN and CBS could rebuild a fact-driven, ideological...
Venezuela Actions, Presidential Power
Mike and Joey open with a look at U.S. missile strikes on alleged Venezuelan drug boats and the seizure of an oil tanker, debating whether Article II authority is enough or whether Congress should have a say. Mike presses on limiting principles, civilian deaths, and why Coast Guard interdiction might achieve the same ends with fewer moral costs, while Joey argues the strikes fit long-standing counterterror logic and reflect the presidentâs duty to act decisively against narco-terror networksÂ
Next, they pivot to Trump v. Slaughter and the fate of Humphreyâs Executor, unpacking what presidential remov...
Ideologies: Marxism
Trey & Justin continue their dive into contemporary political ideologies. This week they dive into Marxism. Topics covered include:
Marxismâs underlying structure in Hegelâs writings Historical Determinism Democracy and Marxism Leninâs âfixâ to Marxism with imperialism Critiques of Marxism and Neo-Marxism
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National Guard Members Killed, Hegseth's Narco Strikes, Alina Habba, Tennessee Special Election, Oklahoma University Student's Failing Grade
Trey and Justin start the show discussing last weekâs tragic incident involving the National Guard in Washington DC. Here, both Trey and Justin agree on the terrible nature of the attack. Trey highlights the emotionally charged nature such an episode will have on immigration conversations. Specifically, Trey discusses how media frames impact policy. Justin highlights that the White House is simply using the incident to crackdown further on immigration. The pair both agree that Afghans who assisted the U.S. were due help and that an individualized tragic incident does not change the need for a robust asylum po...
Democratsâ Dilemma, Second Thoughts on Sports Betting
Mike, Tim, and Michael open with the âDeciding to Winâ memo and the broader question of how Democrats can reconnect with working-class voters while staying true to core values. Mike argues that Democrats already face structural disadvantages and will lose even more elections if they treat politics as a mass pedagogy project instead of meeting voters where they are with authentic, non-condescending economic populism. Tim contends that Democrats are ripping themselves apart over issues like trans rights, womenâs sports, and abortion limits, and that these fissures are driving away Hispanics and moderates in a way no amount of pollin...
Ukraine Peace Deal, Comey Case Tossed, Military Orders
Mike, Tim, and Michael open with Trumpâs 28-point Ukraine peace plan, built on Russian terms that demand territorial concessions, a NATO ban, limits on Ukraineâs army, and sweeping amnesty. Tim focuses on trading some Ukrainian territory for ironclad security guarantees, including foreign troops on the ground as real deterrence. Mike argues the U.S. should massively ramp up weapons and capabilities for Kyiv, rejecting escalation fears and warning that half-measures only reward aggression and embolden China over Taiwan. Michael sees the plan as politically and militarily a nonstarter, doubts any near-term peace is possible, and warns that Zele...
Comey Indictment, ACA Subsidies, the MAGA Theory of Power
Mike and Joey open with the spiraling Comey prosecution, where a Trump-aligned U.S. attorney faces judicial scorn for alleged grand-jury missteps that could collapse the case. Mike argues the real play is intimidation and precedent-setting revenge politics rather than a credible legal charge. Joey counters that Comey was central to what he considers the most serious political scandal in decades and sees the prosecution as predictable fallout, while defending Halligan against ârookie mistakeâ criticisms.
Next, they roll into the looming ACA subsidy cliff and the GOPâs strategic paralysis: extend subsidies, rebrand them throug...
Epstein Files, Trump MBS Meeting, California vs ICE
Mike and Joey open with the blowback to Joeyâs claim that âthe hubris of the leftâ is the biggest obstacle to national unity . Mike frames Trumpâs behavior as the more obvious example of hubris, while Joey argues that Trumpâs personality is massive but incidental and that the real divide is between people focused on ideas and people hung up on identity. Joey sees Trump as a magnanimous, big-ideas president undermined by small-minded opponents, while Mike counters that Trumpâs âmagnanimityâ looks more like dominance dressed up as charm.
Next, they dig into Congressâs overwhelming vote...
A.I. in Political Campaigns
Travis talks with Dr. Michael Cohen, author of Modern Political Campaigns, and Julie Sweet, author of the American Association of Political Consultantsâ Deepfake Law Compliance Guide for Political Campaigns, about the role of artificial intelligence in political campaigns.
Topics Travis, Julie, and Michael cover include:
How campaigns are using AI and how they can be compliant with state laws and regulations
What the use of AI will mean for the future of the campaign workforce
The current state of and future prospects for academic research on AI in campaigns and elections
...Federalist Paper No 1
Trey & Ken begin a new supporter's series on The Federalist Papers. This week's episode includes an overview of The Federalist Papers themselves and introduces Federalist Paper No. 1. Topics covered include:
The history behind writing the original essays
The attack on the Constitution by Anti-Federalists
How Hamilton and Madison became the principal authors
The controversy over who wrote each essay
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Government Shutdown Ends, Epstein Documents Continue, Tucker Carlson and the Heritage Foundation
In this episode, Trey and Ken discuss the recent end of the US government shutdown, including the implications for both parties, with a focus on the ACA subsidies. Trey argues that he was ultimately correct, and the shutdown did not benefit Democrats nor lasted into December. While Ken concedes that the shutdown didnât last as long as he anticipated, it was still the longest in history, and importantly, it taught Democrats how to fight. He sees it as a net positive for Democrats moving into the midterm.
Next, they turn to the political fallout from the re...
Saving Ourselves From Big Car
Mike talks with David Obst, a former journalist, publisher, screenwriter, and film producer. Heâs also the author of a new book on the automotive industry called Saving Ourselves from Big Car, which is the focus of their conversation.
Topics Mike & David cover include:
How âBig Carâ became a self-perpetuating system
The deadly legacy of leaded gasoline
Corporate cover-ups and government complicity
Racial injustice in the building of highways
Planned obsolescence and car addiction
The invention of jaywalking
Big Carâs influence on media an...
Ideologies: Conservatism
Trey & Justin continue their dive into contemporary political ideologies. This week, they dive into conservatism. Topics covered include:
The underlying principles of conservatism, including tradition and gradual change The relationship between tradition and conservatism The relationship between religion and conservatism The differences between the Republican Party and conservatives Critiques of the status quo nature of conservatismCheck out Trey's New Substack
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Democrats Win, Government Shutdown, Senate Filibuster, Nancy Pelosi
Trey and Justin open the show by bypassing the shutdown, at least for a moment, and starting with the 2025 elections. Trey argues that the results are a victory for Democrats, but must be contextualized. His key point is that the economy is becoming an issue for Republicans. Both hosts outline what off-year elections such as this can and donât mean more generally and how the Democratic Party still faces structural issues facing the midterms.
Next, the guys turn to the issue of the government shutdown, which is now the longest in history. Trey asks Justin where he...
Nations Apart: Colin Woodard on the Regional Cultures That Divide Us
Mike talks with New York Times bestselling author, historian, and journalist Colin Woodard. His latest book is Nations Apart: How Clashing Regional Cultures Shattered America, which they discuss on this episode.
Topics Mike & Colin discuss include:
America as a federation of rival regional cultures
How early settlers shaped lasting political divides
Cultureâs role in red and blue state patterns
Communitarian vs. individualist visions of freedom
Why internal migration reinforces cultural divides
The roots of American ethno-nationalism
Shared civic ideals in the Declaration of...
AI Bubble, Trumpâs Pardons, Bidenâs Autopen
Mike, Michael, and Tim open with a discussion of the missing economic data and what that means for understanding the current economy. Tim explains that while unemployment remains low and markets are strong, uncertainty looms because key government reports havenât been released. Mike argues that the apparent strength is concentrated almost entirely in AI and tech stocks, raising fears of an unsustainable bubble. Michael agrees the boom feels narrow and risky, warning that layoffs and overinvestment could lead to a painful reckoning. Tim counters that disruptive innovation has always produced temporary upheaval before lasting growth, while Mike remains un...
Shutdown Showdown, Trumpâs Asia Trip, the CFPBâs Slow Demise
Mike, Tim, and Michael open with the fifth week of the government shutdown, now poised to become the longest ever. Tim argues that while the disruption is real, the economic impact will be minor and short-lived, suggesting resolution will come after the elections. Michael delivers a fiery critique, calling the shutdown political theater that hurts ordinary people and decrying Republican fiscal hypocrisy. Mike underscores the tangible harm to citizens, emphasizing that the ACA subsidy fight shows how deeply broken the system is.
Next, the guys turn to President Trumpâs Asia tour â a mix of spectacle and deal...
Deprogramming Democrats: Why Insider Lisa Ekman Left the Party
Mike talks with former Democratic activist Lisa Ekman, whose recently released book is titled Deprogramming Democrats & unEducating the Elites: How I Escaped the Progressive Cult.
Topics Mike &Â Lisa discuss include:
Ekmanâs background in Democratic politics
government and expert failure during COVID
the tension between public health policy and liberty
the problem with replacing equality with equity
communist thinking in classrooms
returning power to the states and the people
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The Constitution's 26th and 28th Amendments
This episode marks the finale in Trey and Kenâs three-year journey through the U.S. Constitution! In this final episode of the Constitution series, Trey and Ken discuss the 26th and 27th Amendments, exploring their historical significance and political implications. They also look at the journey of the Equal Rights Amendment and its âalmostâ status as a 28th Amendment. The hosts close by discussing the possibility of amending the U.S. Constitution in the future.
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Shutdown Continued, The East Wing, The 9th Circuit on Portland, Arizona Sues Johnson, The Era of Group Chat
Trey and Ken start by letting Ken weigh in on the government shutdown. Ken argues that the Democrats are winning and are doing the right thing. Trey disagrees and sees Democrats as eventually the party that will back down and let people get paid. Ken doubles down by saying the shutdown will last until December when Republicans will then back down.
Next, the guys overview the demolition of the White Houseâs East Wing. Trey is concerned about the larger issue of buying favor with the government for those who help fund it. Ken, meanwhile, thinks strong la...