In Good Company with Nicolai Tangen

Introducing a brand-new podcast series: The Friday Wrap-Up! Tables have turned. Marthe Skaar, Chief of Communications and External Relations at NBIM, sits down with Nicolai Tangen, for a debrief on the latest podcast episode, news about the fund and the markets, and life behind the scenes. In this first edition, they revisit Nicolai's conversation with Sir Paul Marshall, co-founder of Marshall Wace, as Nicolai reflects on what he took away from it: why humility matters more than ever in asset management, and how Marshall's thinking on AI echoes his own. He also opens up on a more personal note...

What does it take to build one of the world's most successful hedge funds, and keep innovating for nearly 30 years? Nicolai Tangen sits down with Sir Paul Marshall, co-founder of Marshall Wace, to unpack the firm's journey from a $50 million startup in 1997 to a firm managing $90 billion today. They dig into TOPS, the pioneering AlphaCapture system that reshaped how buy-side and sell-side interact, the "man plus machine beats a machine" philosophy that shapes how Marshall Wace blends human judgment with AI, and why disagreeableness and agency now matter more than a fancy degree. Paul also opens up on his...

Nicolai Tangen sits down with Rasmus Errboe, CEO of Ørsted, the world's largest offshore wind company, to discuss the company's evolution from a Danish oil and gas business into a pure-play renewables leader. They talk through the US government's stop-work order on an 80%-built project, the lawsuit that followed, and the record €8 billion capital raise that supported Ørsted's turnaround plan. The conversation also covers what has driven offshore wind costs up and down over the past decade, and how Errboe has approached leadership during a demanding period. He also reflects on a personal decision from earlier in his life that...

In this special episode of In Good Company, Nicolai Tangen revisits the question he asks all his guests – what's your advice to young people? McLaren Racing's Zak Brown explains why you need mentors at every stage. Novartis CEO Vas Narasimhan reflects on a career that rarely went to plan. Investor Paul Singer offers his thoughts on education, and Chris Hohn gives perhaps the most personal answer of all. You'll also hear from Karin Rådström, Dylan Field, Christel Heydemann, David Rubenstein and Amanda Blanc – and to finish, Nicolai shares his own advice to all of you. Wisdom worth pressi...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/susan-cain-why-introverts-make-great-leaders-staying/id1614211565?i=1000779980999

What does it take to thrive as a quiet person in a world that rewards the loudest voice? Nicolai Tangen sits down with Susan Cain, author of the bestsellers Quiet and Bittersweet, whose work gave millions of introverts a voice. They explore why authenticity will be the great advantage in the age of AI, what defines the "highly sensitive" 15 to 20 percent of...

What does it take to thrive as a quiet person in a world that rewards the loudest voice? Nicolai Tangen sits down with Susan Cain, author of the bestsellers Quiet and Bittersweet, whose work gave millions of introverts a voice. They explore why authenticity will be the great advantage in the age of AI, what defines the "highly sensitive" 15 to 20 percent of the population, and how our culture shifted from valuing character to valuing personality. Susan explains why introverted leaders often deliver stronger results, the hidden cost of "toxic positivity", and how she calibrates her own days to avoid...

Across every episode of In Good Company, Nicolai Tangen ends up asking the same quietly revealing questions: when do you get up, how do you sleep, what do you do to switch off? In this special bonus, he gathers some of the most fascinating of those answers — ice baths and ocean swims, silent retreats and breathing tricks, one-meal-a-day fasting, a morning glass of vegetable juice, and the science of the perfect nap. Fifteen of the world's top chief executives, investors and champions share the personal habits that keep them fit, sharp and at the top of their game.

हम वाकई कितने करीब हैं हमेशा के लिए जीने के? लॉन्जेविटी (लंबी उम्र) आज दुनिया के सबसे चर्चित विषयों में से एक बन गया है—इसमें भारी निवेश हो रहा है और ज़्यादा जीने के तरीकों को लेकर राय की कोई कमी नहीं। विज्ञान को हाइप से अलग करने के लिए निकोलाई टैंगन बात करते हैं सर वेंकी रामाकृष्णन से—रसायन विज्ञान के नोबेल पुरस्कार विजेता, रॉयल सोसाइटी के पूर्व अध्यक्ष, और Why We Die के लेखक। दोनों समझते हैं कि बुढ़ापा असल में है क्या, क्यों इंसान की अधिकतम उम्र में मुश्किल से ही कोई बदलाव आया है, सेल्युलर रिप्रोग्रामिंग की संभावनाएं और उसकी सीमाएं, और लंबी उम्र वाले समाज से जुड़े नैतिक सवाल। वेंकी उन आसान आदतों के बारे में भी बताते हैं जो सबसे ज़्यादा मायने रखती हैं: नींद, संयम और व्यायाम। जीवन, मृत्यु और उनके बीच की हर बात पर एक साफ़-नज़रिए वाली बातचीत के लिए ज़रूर सुनें!

——

Venki Ramakrishnan: The Science and Hype of Living Longer 

How close are we, really, to living forever? Longevity has become one of the hottest topics in the world, drawing huge investment and endless opinions about how to live longer. To separate science from hype, Nicolai Tangen turns to Sir Venki Ramakrishnan, Nobel laureate in chemistry, former President of the Royal Society, and author of Why We Die. They unpack what ageing actually is, why the maximum human lifespan has hardly moved, the promise and limits of cellular reprogramming, and the ethics of a longer-living society. Venki also shares the simple habits that matter most: sleep, moderation, and exercise. Tune in for a clear-eyed conversation on life, death, and everything in between!

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/venki-ramakrishnan-the-science-and-hype-of-living-longer/id1614211565?i=1000777814000

How close are we, really, to living forever? Longevity has become one of the hottest topics in the world, drawing huge investment and endless opinions about how to live longer. To separate science from hype, Nicolai Tangen turns to Sir Venki Ramakrishnan, Nobel laureate in chemistry, former President of the Royal Society, and author of Why We Die. They unpack what age...

How close are we, really, to living forever? Longevity has become one of the hottest topics in the world, drawing huge investment and endless opinions about how to live longer. To separate science from hype, Nicolai Tangen turns to Sir Venki Ramakrishnan, Nobel laureate in chemistry, former President of the Royal Society, and author of Why We Die. They unpack what ageing actually is, why the maximum human lifespan has hardly moved, the promise and limits of cellular reprogramming, and the ethics of a longer-living society. Venki also shares the simple habits that matter most: sleep, moderation, and exercise...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-good-company-with-nicolai-tangen/id1614211565

This live recorded episode of In Good Company features Eliot Higgins, founder of Bellingcat, the world's leading open source investigative collective — a self-taught college dropout who began tracking the Syrian war from his kitchen table. Together with Nicolai Tangen, he unpacks how his team unmasked Navalny's poisoners and tracked the downing of flight MH17 using nothing but publicly available data. Eliot explains the d...

This live recorded episode of In Good Company features Eliot Higgins, founder of Bellingcat, the world's leading open source investigative collective — a self-taught college dropout who began tracking the Syrian war from his kitchen table. Together with Nicolai Tangen, he unpacks how his team unmasked Navalny's poisoners and tracked the downing of flight MH17 using nothing but publicly available data. Eliot explains the discipline at the heart of his work: never prejudge a situation, follow the evidence before forming an opinion, and guard against your own biases. The conversation also explores why speed matters when truth competes with lies, ho...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-good-company-with-nicolai-tangen/id1614211565

Canada's pension funds have become a blueprint for institutional investing worldwide, and John Graham runs the largest of them. Nicolai Tangen sits down with the CEO of CPP Investments, manager of $800 billion on behalf of 22 million Canadians, for a conversation spanning strategy and leadership. They explore the celebrated "Canadian model" and what imitators get wrong, why Graham calls diversification "an act of humility," and...

Canada's pension funds have become a blueprint for institutional investing worldwide, and John Graham runs the largest of them. Nicolai Tangen sits down with the CEO of CPP Investments, manager of $800 billion on behalf of 22 million Canadians, for a conversation spanning strategy and leadership. They explore the celebrated "Canadian model" and what imitators get wrong, why Graham calls diversification "an act of humility," and how CPP weighs private markets, the US, and China. A scientist before he was an investor, Graham reflects on leading through COVID, AI's uncertain role in investment decisions, and his belief that investing is "quantitative...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fortescue-ceo-breaking-into-mining-going-green-and/id1614211565?i=1000774940168

Nicolai Tangen sits down with Andrew Forrest, Chairman and CEO of Fortescue, to explore one of the most remarkable stories in modern business. From building a mining giant from scratch against a 60-year duopoly, to pledging to run the entire company on zero fossil fuels by 2030 with no offsets, Forrest has never been afraid to think big. They discuss his "crazy bra...

Nicolai Tangen sits down with Andrew Forrest, Chairman and CEO of Fortescue, to explore one of the most remarkable stories in modern business. From building a mining giant from scratch against a 60-year duopoly, to pledging to run the entire company on zero fossil fuels by 2030 with no offsets, Forrest has never been afraid to think big. They discuss his "crazy brave Plan A" philosophy, the role of AI in running smart energy grids, and his disagreements with some of the world's most powerful people over climate policy. Andrew also opens up about the accident that reshaped his priorities...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/no/podcast/holcim-ceo-europes-housing-shortage-decarbonising-cement/id1614211565?i=1000773973863&l=nb

Where would the modern world be without cement? Nicolai Tangen sits down with Miljan Gutovic, CEO of Holcim, to explore the transformation underway in the global building materials industry. They discuss Europe's shortage of nearly 10 million homes and what it means for construction, how Holcim is turning sustainability into a competitive advantage, the logic behind spinning off its North Ame...

Where would the modern world be without cement? Nicolai Tangen sits down with Miljan Gutovic, CEO of Holcim, to explore the transformation underway in the global building materials industry. They discuss Europe's shortage of nearly 10 million homes and what it means for construction, how Holcim is turning sustainability into a competitive advantage, the logic behind spinning off its North American business, and the booming opportunity in Latin America. Gutovic also shares his three leadership rules: control the controllables, fight complacency, and benchmark relentlessly. Tune in!

In Good Company is hosted by Nicolai Tangen, CEO of N...

निकोलाई टैंगन बात करते हैं Snowflake के CEO श्रीधर रामास्वामी से। Snowflake एक डेटा प्लेटफ़ॉर्म है जो दुनिया की आधी सबसे बड़ी कंपनियों को चलाता है। इस बातचीत में वे समझते हैं कि डेटा और AI की दुनिया में असल में क्या हो रहा है।

दोनों इन बातों पर गहराई से चर्चा करते हैं: Snowflake सिर्फ़ इस्तेमाल के हिसाब से पैसे लेता है (कंजम्पशन-बेस्ड प्राइसिंग), और यही बात इसे आम सॉफ़्टवेयर कंपनियों से अलग बनाती है। श्रीधर अब मानते हैं कि AI मॉडल बनाने वाली कंपनियाँ टेक इंडस्ट्री में सबसे बड़ा ख़तरा हैं—बाक़ी किसी से भी ज़्यादा। और AI एजेंट अब हर चीज़ बदल रहे हैं—डेटा पाइपलाइन से लेकर सॉफ़्टवेयर इंजीनियरिंग तक।

श्रीधर अपनी कंपनी Neva के बारे में भी बात करते हैं—उसे शुरू करना और फिर उसका नाकाम होना, और इससे उन्होंने क्या सीखा। साथ ही वे उन मूल्यों के बारे में बताते हैं जिन्होंने उन्हें तमिलनाडु से टेक इंडस्ट्री के शिखर तक पहुँचाया: मेहनत, हर हाल में ढल जाना, और हार न मानना।

यह दिलचस्प बातचीत ज़रूर सुनें!

——

Snowflake CEO: How AI Agents Will Transform the Workplace 

Nicolai Tangen sits down with Sridhar Ramaswamy, CEO of Snowflake, the data platform powering half the world's largest companies, to explore what's really happening at the frontier of data and AI. They dig into how Snowflake's consumption-based pricing sets it apart from traditional software models, why Sridhar now considers AI model companies a bigger competitive threat than anyone else in tech, and how AI agents are transforming everything from data pipelines to software engineering itself. Sridhar also reflects on the lessons learned from founding and failing with Neva, and shares the values of hard work, adaptability, and resilience that have shaped him from Tamil Nadu to the top of the tech industry. Tune in for an insightful conversation!

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/snowflake-ceo-scaling-data-ai-agents-and-the-new/id1614211565?i=1000773056685

Nicolai Tangen sits down with Sridhar Ramaswamy, CEO of Snowflake, the data platform powering half the world's largest companies, to explore what's really happening at the frontier of data and AI. They dig into how Snowflake's consumption-based pricing sets it apart from traditional software models, why Sridhar now considers AI model companies a bigger competitive threat than anyone else in tech...

Nicolai Tangen sits down with Sridhar Ramaswamy, CEO of Snowflake, the data platform powering half the world's largest companies, to explore what's really happening at the frontier of data and AI. They dig into how Snowflake's consumption-based pricing sets it apart from traditional software models, why Sridhar now considers AI model companies a bigger competitive threat than anyone else in tech, and how AI agents are transforming everything from data pipelines to software engineering itself. Sridhar also reflects on the lessons learned from founding and failing with Neva, and shares the values of hard work, adaptability, and resilience that...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jens-stoltenberg-how-norway-built-the-worlds-largest-fund/id1614211565?i=1000771963692

If anyone can tell the story of how Norway built the world's largest sovereign wealth fund, it's Jens Stoltenberg. As the fund marks its 30th anniversary, Nicolai Tangen sits down with Norway's Finance Minister and former NATO Secretary General to trace the decisions that turned oil revenues into $2 trillion in national savings. They discuss why Britain and Norway dive...

If anyone can tell the story of how Norway built the world's largest sovereign wealth fund, it's Jens Stoltenberg. As the fund marks its 30th anniversary, Nicolai Tangen sits down with Norway's Finance Minister and former NATO Secretary General to trace the decisions that turned oil revenues into $2 trillion in national savings. They discuss why Britain and Norway diverged so dramatically despite producing similar volumes of oil, the thinking behind the spending rule, and the risk of complacency when wealth feels guaranteed. Stoltenberg also explains his reasoning behind suspending the ethics council, the paradox of excluding defence companies Norway...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/no/podcast/snap-ceo-building-snapchat-ar-glasses-and-the/id1614211565?i=1000770874839&l=nb

In this episode, Nicolai Tangen speaks with Evan Spiegel, co-founder and CEO of Snap, the company behind Snapchat. Evan reflects on building Snapchat from a Stanford dorm room idea into a platform used by nearly a billion people worldwide. They discuss why Evan turned down a $3 billion offer from Mark Zuckerberg, Snap's bold bet on augmented reality glasses, and how...

In this episode, Nicolai Tangen speaks with Evan Spiegel, co-founder and CEO of Snap, the company behind Snapchat. Evan reflects on building Snapchat from a Stanford dorm room idea into a platform used by nearly a billion people worldwide. They discuss why Evan turned down a $3 billion offer from Mark Zuckerberg, Snap's bold bet on augmented reality glasses, and how AI is transforming software development from the inside out. Evan also shares his leadership philosophy, built around kindness, creativity, and long-term thinking. Don't miss this conversation with one of Silicon Valley's most unconventional builders.

In G...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/no/podcast/prosus-ceo-from-startup-to-global-scale-innovation/id1614211565?i=1000769752597&l=nb

How do you build a company that reaches 1.5 billion people? Nicolai Tangen sits down with Fabricio Bloisi, CEO of Prosus, to trace an extraordinary journey from humble beginnings to running one of the world's most ambitious tech ecosystems. Prosus is the company behind well-known consumer brands like iFood in Brazil, Swiggy in India, Just Eat across Europe, and PayU pow...

How do you build a company that reaches 1.5 billion people? Nicolai Tangen sits down with Fabricio Bloisi, CEO of Prosus, to trace an extraordinary journey from humble beginnings to running one of the world's most ambitious tech ecosystems. Prosus is the company behind well-known consumer brands like iFood in Brazil, Swiggy in India, Just Eat across Europe, and PayU powering payments in emerging markets. They discuss Fabricio's "jet ski" model for fast-paced innovation, the bold transformation of Just Eat into an AI-first company, and why he believes AI is still underhyped. Fabricio also shares his deeply entrepreneurial leadership philosophy: hir...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/no/podcast/pfizer-ceo-transforming-drug-discovery-lessons-from/id1614211565?i=1000768670399&l=nb

Nicolai Tangen meets Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla for a wide-ranging conversation on leadership, science, and the future of global healthcare. Bourla reflects on leading Pfizer through the COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough and how it transformed the company. The discussion also dives into Pfizer’s strategic shift toward innovative medicine, including major investments in oncology and obesity, and the high-stakes decisions behind multibillio...

Nicolai Tangen meets Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla for a wide-ranging conversation on leadership, science, and the future of global healthcare. Bourla reflects on leading Pfizer through the COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough and how it transformed the company. The discussion also dives into Pfizer’s strategic shift toward innovative medicine, including major investments in oncology and obesity, and the high-stakes decisions behind multibillion-dollar acquisitions. 

Looking ahead, the conversation explores how artificial intelligence is set to transform drug discovery, clinical trials, and the broader healthcare system. Bourla offers a candid view on global competition, particularly the rapid rise of China in...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/no/podcast/aliko-dangote-building-africas-industrial-future-from/id1614211565?i=1000767507108&l=nb

Nicolai Tangen sits down with Aliko Dangote, Founder and CEO of the Dangote Group, Africa's largest industrial conglomerate, to explore his journey from a small Lagos trading firm to a sprawling empire spanning cement, fertiliser, petrochemicals, and the world's largest single-train oil refinery. They discuss overcoming fierce opposition, Africa's infrastructure challenges, and why its booming youth population signals enormous opportunity. Dangote...

Nicolai Tangen sits down with Aliko Dangote, Founder and CEO of the Dangote Group, Africa's largest industrial conglomerate, to explore his journey from a small Lagos trading firm to a sprawling empire spanning cement, fertiliser, petrochemicals, and the world's largest single-train oil refinery. They discuss overcoming fierce opposition, Africa's infrastructure challenges, and why its booming youth population signals enormous opportunity. Dangote's mission? Pioneering the industrialisation of an entire continent. Tune in for an insightful conversation!

In Good Company is hosted by Nicolai Tangen, CEO of Norges Bank Investment Management. New full episodes every Wednesday, and don't miss ou...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/no/podcast/ibm-ceo-transforming-a-tech-giant-ai-bets-and/id1614211565?i=1000766363117&l=nb

Nicolai Tangen sits down with Arvind Krishna, Chairman and CEO of IBM, for a wide-ranging conversation on technology, leadership, and reinvention. Arvind shares how he has reshaped one of the world's most iconic companies into a growing force in hybrid cloud and AI, and why he placed an early, decisive bet on AI long before it entered the mainstream. They explo...

Nicolai Tangen sits down with Arvind Krishna, Chairman and CEO of IBM, for a wide-ranging conversation on technology, leadership, and reinvention. Arvind shares how he has reshaped one of the world's most iconic companies into a growing force in hybrid cloud and AI, and why he placed an early, decisive bet on AI long before it entered the mainstream. They explore the opportunities and risks of the current AI boom, IBM's push into quantum computing, and what it takes to reignite a risk-averse culture. Arvind also reflects on leading a global organization operating in more than 170 countries, and the...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/no/podcast/live-podcast-with-jamie-dimon-ceo-jpmorgan-chase/id1614211565?i=1000764228585&l=nb

In this special live episode, Nicolai Tangen sits down with Jamie Dimon, Chairman and CEO of JPMorgan Chase, at NBIM’s Investment Conference in Oslo.

With 20 years at the helm of one of the world’s leading financial institutions, Dimon shares first-hand insights into what it takes to build a winning corporate culture. The conversation spans everything from glo...

In this special live episode, Nicolai Tangen sits down with Jamie Dimon, Chairman and CEO of JPMorgan Chase, at NBIM’s Investment Conference in Oslo.

With 20 years at the helm of one of the world’s leading financial institutions, Dimon shares first-hand insights into what it takes to build a winning corporate culture. The conversation spans everything from global markets to the biggest challenges ahead, including geopolitics, private credit, cybersecurity and AI.

This is a unique opportunity to hear one of the most influential voices in global finance reflect on leadership, resilience, and the forces shapi...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/no/podcast/xiaomi-cfo-from-smartphones-to-evs-speed-to-market-and-ai/id1614211565?i=1000762993636&l=nb

In this episode of In Good Company, Nicolai Tangen speaks with Alain Lam, CFO of Xiaomi, about the company’s journey from a smartphone startup to a global technology leader spanning smart devices, electric vehicles, and AI.

Lam shares how Xiaomi’s focus on high-quality products at “honest prices” and its tightly integrated ecosystem have driven rapid growth and inn...

In this episode of In Good Company, Nicolai Tangen speaks with Alain Lam, CFO of Xiaomi, about the company’s journey from a smartphone startup to a global technology leader spanning smart devices, electric vehicles, and AI.

Lam shares how Xiaomi’s focus on high-quality products at “honest prices” and its tightly integrated ecosystem have driven rapid growth and innovation. He explains the company’s move into electric vehicles—designing and launching its first car in under three years—and why Xiaomi sees EVs as the next generation of consumer electronics.

The conversation also looks ahead to AI-powe...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/no/podcast/hans-ulrich-obrist-what-business-can-learn-from-the/id1614211565?i=1000761441443&l=nb

What can business learn from the art world? In this episode of In Good Company, Nicolai Tangen sits down with legendary curator Hans Ulrich Obrist, Artistic Director of the Serpentine Galleries and a master of connecting ideas, people, and disciplines.

Obrist shares how creativity starts with listening, why serendipity often beats rigid planning, and how bringing together art, tech...

What can business learn from the art world? In this episode of In Good Company, Nicolai Tangen sits down with legendary curator Hans Ulrich Obrist, Artistic Director of the Serpentine Galleries and a master of connecting ideas, people, and disciplines.

Obrist shares how creativity starts with listening, why serendipity often beats rigid planning, and how bringing together art, technology, and culture can create entirely new experiences. From lifelong conversations with artists to exploring AI and multi-sensory exhibitions, his approach is all about curiosity, collaboration, and long-term thinking. 

A sharp, inspiring conversation on creativity, innovation, and navig...

We've curated a special 10-minute version of the podcast for those in a hurry.  

Here you can listen to the full episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/no/podcast/prada-group-ceo-the-old-normal-of-luxury-the-bet/id1614211565?i=1000760166168&l=nb

In this episode of In Good Company, Nicolai Tangen sits down with Andrea Guerra, CEO of the Prada Group, in Milan to explore the art of building iconic luxury brands. They discuss why luxury must return to its "old normal" of exclusivity and experience, the extraordinary rise of Miu Miu as a rebellious yet inclusive brand, and how the acquisition of Ve...