Talking About Birds: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

The 2026 autopsy ends with prescriptions. Nate and Ben draw up fixes for the Cardinals' bullpen, third base and center field, including Ben's plan to spend $40 million on relievers and flip them at the deadline, plus a grade for Oli Marmol and a Fall League check-in on Tai Peete and Tekoah Roby.

Plus: who should replace us on the show, a defense of $2 Casey's pizza, John Mozeliak's Angels, and Ben's case for Christmas every other year in You're Out.

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The 2026 autopsy rolls on. Nate and Ben grade Chaim Bloom's first full year running the Cardinals, re-grade every trade from the Sonny Gray deal to the Dustin May deadline flip, and celebrate a farm system that is suddenly loaded, led by Rainiel Rodriguez, Liam Doyle, and Jesús Báez.

Plus: the kid who broke youth soccer, humanity's post-building future, a Brewers–Rays World Series preview, and Nate struggles with who the closer was in the return of What Year Is It?

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The autopsy continues, this time sorting the 2026 Cardinals into who got lucky and who got robbed. JJ Wetherholt was the unluckiest man on the roster and is primed to break out; Kyle Leahy and Michael McGreevy had “zombie” seasons the regression ghouls will come for; and Nate and Ben map out the bullpen, the Jimmy Crooks catching puzzle, and two (three?) very deserving Gold Glove finalists.

Plus an $8.99 gourd, a zucchini canoe, a cursed week for Chicago, a full playoff check-in, and the triumphant return of the best game they’ve ever made: Pope or Nope.

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The autopsy continues. Nate and Ben go player by player through the 2026 Cardinals, and the central mystery is brutal: the offense dropped 62% in value from the first half to the second, while — somehow — the pitching staff doubled, even after trading Dustin May and JoJo Romero. They dig into Victor Scott's fading experiment, Ivan Herrera's concerning collapse, why they've both gone Burley-pilled, and whether Matthew Liberatore is still a starter.

Plus the $10 gourd lords, a disastrous bet on Renaissance Faire jousting, a full playoff check-in, and the end-of-season edition of Who Charted?

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The season's over, so Nate and Ben grab the scalpel and perform the 2026 autopsy. They walk the final rankings — a middle-of-the-pack offense, a rotation that punched above its weight, a bullpen that gave it all back, and a top-ten defense that held the whole thing together — and ask why a team that won fewer games than last year somehow feels like a success.

Plus the 2027 holes and a Jazz Chisholm pitch, favorite moments from Josh Baez's debut to Jordan Walker's Home Run Derby, playoff picks, and the season finale of Draft Day: Heroes & Hatchlings.

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The Cardinals are officially eliminated, so Nate and Ben start making peace with a season that — against every expectation — still counts as a success. They dig into the bullpen that sank it, the Michael McGreevy puzzle (no strikeouts, sub-4 ERA), Jordan Walker's career-best breakout and the defensive metrics that somehow hate him, and the home/road splits that make Busch look haunted.

Plus an incredible Costco piano story, Nolan Arenado catching fire in the desert, Quinn Mathews pitching his way into 2027, Justin Verlander's last dance, and a new game — What Year Is It?

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Albert Pujols and Yadier Molina went into the Cardinals Hall of Fame together, and Nate and Ben get appropriately misty about a pairing we'll probably never see again. Then they celebrate the young core carrying September — Thomas Saggese's breakout, Leo Bernal's Yadi vibes, and another Josh Baez feat of strength — plus Mason Miller's absurd reliever season and why relievers deserve their own award.

Also: a deeply important debate about eating horse, Ben's 24-hour LARP-themed endurance race, Elly De La Cruz spurning the Reds, the Mets getting mad at their own fans, and a round of Who Is This...

Umpire Doug Eddings picked the wrong night to make it about himself. Nate and Ben break down his meltdown against a rookie, Oli Marmol's now-legendary response, and what it all says about accountability and robot umps. Then, with the Cardinals down to a 0.2% playoff shot, they look at the bright side: Leo Bernal raking, Cooper Hjerpe's dazzling debut, and Gordon Graceffo turning into the bullpen's best arm with one new pitch.

Plus White Sox and Giants previews, a genuinely bad American League, and the Dodgers being mid for at least a moment.

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The curse rolls on: the podcast is haunted, the Cardinals keep losing players, and JJ Wetherholt is the latest to hit the IL. Nate and Ben map out the team's slim 2.5% path to October, make the full-throated case that JJ is getting robbed in the Rookie of the Year race, and marvel at Josh Baez's absurd swing metrics. Plus a wave of call-ups led by Leo Bernal taking over behind the plate.

In league news, Arte Moreno sells the Angels for a record sum, the Rays' stadium saga inches forward, and expansion looms. 

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The show is cursed. Last week's audio came out haunted, three Cardinals hit the IL in a matter of days, and Nate and Ben have made peace with the grudge ghost now living in the podcast. Between hauntings they cover a tired, banged-up team still hanging around the wild card: Masyn Winn's season-ending thumb, Josh Baez's wildly unlucky start, and a Kyle Leahy who's quietly pitched like an ace for two months.

Down on the farm, Rainiel Rodriguez keeps mashing, and the Cardinals now have baseball's second-best farm system. Plus Pirates and Dodgers previews, the Astros' bizarre...

Joshua Baez made maybe the greatest MLB debuts of all time — three home runs, three different pitches, three different parts of the ballpark. Nate and Ben soak it in, then dig into a Cardinals team that's back above .500 and squarely in the wild card hunt: Jordan Walker solving the slider, Alec Burleson leading baseball in a brand-new defensive stat, and a rotation that keeps winning while defying every metric.

Down on the farm, Rainiel Rodriguez is climbing toward the top of prospect boards. Plus Phillies and Orioles previews, a very strange batch of league news, and the re...

The Cardinals are hovering around .500 and mostly out of the race — but the offense is waking up at the perfect time. Alec Burleson is launching bombs, Ivan Herrera is crushing everything again, and José Fermín looks like the next guy about to break out. Nate and Ben dig into all of it, plus why Kyle Leahy is quietly the ace of this staff and what's gone wrong with Matthew Liberatore.

Down on the farm, Nolan Gorman is destroying Triple-A with a new swing. Plus Cubs and Reds previews, Tim Anderson's retirement, and our Draft Day check-in at t...

The Cardinals sold at the deadline — Dustin May and JoJo Romero are Brewers, Lars Nootbaar is a Diamondback, and the returns are genuinely exciting. Nate and Ben break down the four prospects coming back, why the Dustin May signing worked out about as well as it possibly could have, and the catching logjam Bloom still didn't clear.

Plus: Quinn Mathews makes his MLB debut, Tink Hence gets a surprising DFA, previews of the Rockies and Phillies, the Harrison Bader drunk-scooter saga, and much more! 

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It's the last episode before the trade deadline, so next week's Cardinals might look completely different. Dustin May has pitched his way into a real trade chip, and Lars Nootbaar, Ivan Herrera, and even Masyn Winn could all be on the move.

Plus: the offense is somehow leading baseball in hard-hit balls in July and still can't score, Blaze Jordan quietly became the best third baseman on the team, and previews of the Blue Jays and Yankees. 

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The Cardinals have lost four in a row and each one hurt in a different way. They gave away a 7-0 lead to the Diamondbacks. Riley O'Brien hit a guy to bring in the winning run against the Angels. And underneath all of it, the offense has fallen off a cliff — 28th in baseball over the last 30 days, with Jordan Walker and the Furminator the only Cardinals hitting above average.

Meanwhile the pitching staff has quietly been top ten over that same stretch. Development or luck? We dig in with the deadline coming up. Plus: John Mozeliak jo...

Jordan Walker is the first Cardinal in history to win the Home Run Derby. He beat Kyle Schwarber in Philly, hit four in a row off the magenta ball to close it out, and looked like the coolest person in the building while 40,000 people booed him.

JJ Wetherholt signed an 8-year, $112.5 million extension. Kyle Reis joins us to break down the entire MLB draft — Trevor Condon at 13, a 17-year-old shortstop named Rocco Maniscalco at 50, and why Kyle calls it the best Cardinals draft class since 2020. Plus: who gets extended next, MLB's salary cap propaganda ads, and much mo...

Jordan Walker is an All-Star. Twenty-one home runs, a 142 wRC+, and the breakout is officially real. Meanwhile, JJ Wetherholt — 9th in fWAR among all position players — got snubbed, and we have thoughts.

The Cardinals lost four straight to the Brewers, who are perfectly built to expose this team's weaknesses. The wild card picture is tightening, the trade deadline is approaching, and the Pirates somehow have higher playoff odds despite being behind in the standings. Plus: Verlander retires, Kyle Leahy can't be explained.

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The Cardinals are 44-38 and the playoff picture is getting tight. Playoff odds dropped from 55% to 33% in two weeks, the Cubs are surging thanks to Pete Crow-Armstrong's MVP-level June, and seven games against Chicago and Milwaukee are about to define the trade deadline conversation.

Rainiel Rodriguez might be the best prospect in baseball. He's 19 years old, crushing Double-A with a 1.023 OPS in June, and hitting opposite-field home runs that look like a lefty pulling them. Plus: the bullpen had its worst month of the season, Burleson is the unluckiest hitter alive, Liberatore bounced back, and John Mozeliak...

JJ Wetherholt is on pace for a better rookie season than Albert Pujols in 2001. He's got the best June of his career, he's 7th in fWAR among all position players, and he's a legitimate MVP candidate. C70 joins us to talk about what that means.

Masyn Winn is showing signs of life, Nathan Church looks like a different hitter since coming back, Blaze Jordan has already eclipsed Gorman's season production, and the bullpen is falling apart. Plus: the Home Run Derby is changing formats again, Quinn Matthews might be close, and we close with You Income You...

The Cardinals are 40-31 with a 55% chance to make the playoffs, and the trade deadline conversation just got real. Do you trade Dustin May and JoJo Romero, or do you owe it to Walker, Burleson, and the rest of the young core to go for it?

Alec Burleson is the fifth-best hitter in baseball against right-handed pitching. Josh Baez hit four home runs in one game. Blaze Jordan is already looking like an upgrade at third. And Andre Pallante might actually be a different pitcher now.

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The Cardinals are 36-28, riding a five-game win streak, and Jordan Walker is on 30/30 watch. He's got 16 homers and 10 steals with two-thirds of the season left, and the All-Star conversation is getting loud.

Nootbaar is finally back and the lineup immediately looks different. Alec Burleson is the third-best first baseman in the NL by fWAR. The bench is actually working. Dustin May and JoJo Romero are reportedly on the trade block. And Nolan Gorman's strikeout numbers tell an uncomfortable story.

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The Cardinals are 31-28 after a rough stretch, but the underlying talent keeps ascending. Dustin May might be turning into an ace, the pitching staff's strikeout rate jumped from 30th to 13th in a single month, and Jimmy Crooks just got called up as the primary catcher.

We recap Blogger Day with Chaim Bloom, check in on Masyn Winn's signs of life, debate who stays when Nootbaar returns, and close with the Vibes Guys Draft — building the dream blunt rotation of the most fun Cardinals of the last 15 years.

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Abner Uribe struck out Alec Burleson, hit the DX “suck it” toward the Cardinals dugout while up six runs, and nearly got overturned by ABS. The lack of awareness was incredible, and we loved every second of it.

The Cardinals sit at 29-25 after a frustrating sweep by the Brewers, including Dustin May carrying a no-hitter into the eighth and still taking the loss. We talk about why May has become one of the best stories on the staff, whether he’s worth extending, and what his outing says about this team.

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The Cardinals are 28-19 and there's a shirtless movement happening in right field. Tarps off started as one row of guys on a Friday night, expanded to the entire section by the weekend, and now the Cardinals have officially designated it as a high-energy zone. We dig into what it means, how long it can last, and whether two guys who have admittedly aged out of the tarps off crew can still appreciate it from a distance.

Nolan Gorman is having an MVP-level May. His expected wOBA in May is .427, he's leading the team in exit...

The Cardinals are 24-17 with the fifth best record in baseball. Power rankings have them in the top 10. The playoff odds just passed Cincinnati. So we ask the question: are they actually good, or are we about to get burned again?

The offense is legit. The bullpen has stabilized. The defense is elite. And the pitching, somehow, has a 2.62 ERA in May, third best in MLB. Michael McGreevy in particular is doing something fascinating, and Ben breaks down a stat called Location+ that might explain why he keeps outperforming his underlying numbers.

Jordan Walker just...

The Cardinals have the seventh-best offense in baseball. Ahead of them? Houston, Detroit, Atlanta, LA, New York, and that's about it. We dig into what that means for a team that was supposed to be rebuilding, and why this version of winning feels more sustainable than anything we've seen in the last few years.

Jordan Walker now has 35 games of this, and it's the longest and the best he's ever played. The power is real, the walks are climbing, and teams are going to have to start deciding whether to pitch around him. Alec Burleson just won...

Nathan Church hit three home runs this week and robbed another one. But the real story isn't the results — it's the underlying changes. His bat speed is up, his swing rate has jumped, and he's striking out less while swinging harder. We dig into why those numbers matter and what this version of Nathan Church means for the team long term.

Iván Herrera is breaking out. The launch angle has corrected, the walks are piling up, and Ben is ready to start the extension conversation.

Jordan Walker has cooled off but the process is sti...

The Cardinals are 14-10 and playing better than most people expected. They swept the Astros, the young core is slugging — 11th in MLB in home runs — but the pitching is still the worst K/9 in baseball and the bullpen is a ticking time bomb.

Masyn Winn might be waking up. Ten hits in a week, a Crawford Box homer, career-high walk rates, and three steals already on the season. We dig into whether this is the start of the offensive evolution we've been waiting for, and whether a 117 wRC+ is the version of Masyn that makes him a pe...

Jordan Walker isn't just hot, he's the best player in baseball right now. Better than Aaron Judge, better than Ohtani, better than Bobby Witt Jr. Through 17 games he's already deleted 111 games of negative WAR from last season, and Ben is officially calling 30 home runs as the floor. We dig into why this version of Walker actually looks sustainable, and Brant Brown's "let the team be themselves" approach to coaching.

The good vibes keep going on offense. Iván Herrera is on the precipice of a breakout — second in baseball in walks, xwOBA near elite, just waiting on his...

Jordan Walker has spent the last two weeks doing things we've never seen him do before. Through 12 games, he's leading Aaron Judge and Shohei Ohtani in fWAR, he launched a 459-foot grand slam to dead center off an 88 mph fastball, and — maybe most telling — he finally reacted to a called strike three in the box. For the first time in years, Jordan Walker looks like he cares, and it's showing up everywhere on the field.

We also check in on JJ Wetherholt, who would be the story of the Cardinals' first two weeks if Walker wasn't on fire...

The Cardinals are off to a hot 4-2 start 🔥 as early storylines take shape. We break down extension buzz around JJ Wetherholt, roster moves, and what we’re seeing from a revamped Jordan Walker—big exit velos, better launch angles, and real signs of a breakout. Plus Burleson staying hot, Gorman/Urías flashing power, McGreevy has a strong start, and debuts from Ryan Stanek and Dustin May. We preview upcoming series vs Detroit and Washington, then hit league news with a wave of extensions and Jason Heyward calling it a career. 

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Opening Day is HERE 🔥 and we’re joined by Daniel Shoptaw (@C70) to break it all down. JJ Wetherholt makes the club, Matthew Liberatore gets the Opening Day start, and the roster is officially set. We dive into surprises like Nathan Church stepping in, Fermin and Saggese cracking the roster, and Nelson Velázquez getting left off, plus bullpen decisions and key IL moves for Lars Nootbaar and Hunter Dobbins. We preview the opening series vs the Rays and Mets, then hit league news including Pete Crow-Armstrong and Cristopher Sánchez getting PAID. 

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We break down a scorching start from Nelson Velázquez and whether it actually matters, plus the latest on Lars Nootbaar’s status as Opening Day looms. We dive into standout Spring Breakout names, Jordan Walker questions, and a loaded camp featuring JJ Wetherholt and the next wave. On the mound, Dustin May flashes triple digits, Andre Pallante tweaks his pitch mix, and George Soriano quietly dominates. We wrap with NL Central preview talk (Cubs) and Team USA falling short in the WBC final.

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We went to Florida for Cardinals spring training and brought back plenty to talk about. We break down the messy outfield situation, Lars Nootbaar’s uncertain Opening Day status, Josh Baez’s monster spring (and potential for the big league club), and strong performances from Matthew Liberatore, Packy Naughton, and JJ Wetherholt. Then we continue our NL Central preview series with the Pirates and wrap with league news, including Team USA’s WBC outlook, Jesús Luzardo’s extension with the Phillies, and Hunter Greene’s upcoming elbow procedure.

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We break down early impressions of the ABS system, Oli Marmol’s contract extension, and key Cardinals injury updates before diving into spring training standouts like JJ’s hot start and some live arms flashing big velocity. Then it’s NL Central preview season with the Brewers and a spin around league news, including a major PED suspension, big-name pitching deals, and WBC matchups.

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Kyle Reis of The Cardinal Nation joins the show for a deep dive into the Cardinals’ farm system and what’s coming soon to St. Louis. We talk realistic MLB roles for Nathan Church (praise be), Victor Scott II, Fermin, and JJ, and whether Blaze Jordan is truly a big-league player. Plus: Deniel Ortiz hype, prospect ranking disagreements, why Chase Davis and Yairo Padilla might be flying under the radar, we start our NL Central previews with a deep dive on the Reds, and the latest league news.

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Ben Clemens of FanGraphs joins the show to break down where the 2026 St. Louis Cardinals are headed, from win expectations and outfield needs to Chaim Bloom’s “down to the studs” rebuild and the strategy behind recent trades and draft-pick flexibility. We dive into the upside-heavy approach highlighted by Jurrangelo Cijntje and other recent additions, react to FanGraphs’ updated Cardinals prospect rankings, see a sneak preview of a new feature on Fangraphs, and wrap with a quick spin around the latest league news.

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Pitchers and catchers are officially in camp, and we’re breaking down the early storylines — including Jurrangelo Cijntje throwing from both sides, a bullpen swap that brings George Soriano to St. Louis, and Bryan Ramos joining the infield mix. We also dive into Victor Scott II’s revamped swing, the possibility of a six-man rotation, a fresh Top 53 prospects list from FanGraphs, and a look at the Cardinals’ massive new spring training complex. Plus, league news featuring Corbin Carroll’s surgery and the state of the free agent market. 

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The Cardinals get it done, trading Brendan Donovan in a blockbuster that brings switch-pitcher Jurrangelo Cijntje, outfielders Tai Peete and Colton Ledbetter, plus extra draft capital to St. Louis. We break down what the deal means for the Opening Day lineup, discuss Bloom’s search for an outfield bat, Miguel Andujar landing in San Diego, and the Cardinals moving to an MLB-run broadcast model in 2026, along with rumors, World Series talk, and the latest league news.

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ZiPS creator Dan Szymborski joins us to break down the Cardinals projections, biggest surprises, cats, funny voices, and what the data says about the rebuild. We discuss Jordan Walker, JJ Wetherholt, McGreevy, and the catcher logjam, plus one bold ZiPS miss to watch for 2026, along with rumors, World Series notes, and league news.

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